30 years covering college football, basketball, the nhl in addition to of course hosting this center "sportscenter" and most recently a fixture on the sports reporters. >> saunders a native of canada had been with espn for nearly 30 years and was a founding member of the jimmy v. foundation board. he leaves behind a wife and two daughters. there's no word yet on the cause of death. john saunders was 61 years old and he will be missed. that will do it for "way too early." "morning joe" started right now. trump was implying. >> it's not a joke. >> you're not going to use the joke defense. >> he wasn't talking about implementation of policy. he was talking what would happen if hillary clinton would be elected and he was absolutely right. >> i'm speechless because i'm trying to follow your logic

here, katrina. i'm having a hard time. oh, my gosh. that would be an understatement. joe has the morning off. along on set with willie and me legendary columnist and msnbc contributor, mike barnicle. professor at the university of michigan school of public policy, guys, get ready. and, also, donny deutsch. >> lewd. >> guys, it's easy, lewd. very lewd. filling in as co-host with "all due respect." what are they thinking? >> what a train wreck. at 6:00 you're on every night. >> it was interesting. tom green turned it down and professor irwin cory.

>> i'm going to watch to see what happens. also with us on capitol hill former ted cruise communication director and msnbc political communicator joins us. >> good morning. looks like a hack of top democratic officials is wider than previously reported potentially affecting the e-mail accounts of more than 100 party leaders and groups. according to "new york times" citing officials with knowledge of the case. we initially learned that the dnc and the party's congressional arm were impacted but now it seems the hacking extended to the democratic governor's association and others. the democrats involved in the fbi investigation and personal accounts of clinton campaign officials and party operatives are also said to have been targeted. now, u.s. national security officials are confident that russian intelligence agencies hacked the dnc.

the political fallout, as we all know here, has been severe. you'll recall the content of some e-mails forced top dnc staffers, including the chair of the dnc debbie wasserman schultz to resign on the eve of her party's convention. meanwhile, e-mails from hillary clinton's state department staff are, once again, putting her family's foundation in the spotlight. here's nbc kristen wellker with the details. >> reporter: state department e-mails raising fresh questions about the relationship between the clinton family foundation and secretary clinton's state department. one dated 2009. a clinton foundation executive e-mailed secretary clinton's top advisors requesting they set opmeeting between a billionaire donor and the u.s. ambassador to lebanon. this is very important, he said. critics have pounced on foreign donations to the foundation, questioning whether that bought donors access to the state department.

>> it's called pay for play. >> reporter: last year capitol hill bt defending the foundation to cynthia mcfadden. >> we have never done anything knowingly inappropriate in terms of taking money to influence any kind of government american policy. >> reporter: the clinton campaign telling nbc news these new e-mails don't relate to the foundation's work and the donor never met with the ambassador. >> the trump campaign jumped on this yesterday accusing the clintons of accepting money for access. >> now there are more e-mails that have come to light today that seem to provide direct evidence that favors were done by foreign contributors to the clinton foundation by officials at the state department. you know, it's the old, it's the old pay to play system. the american people are sick and tired of and donald trump and i are going to bring it to a crashing end. >> today we had a very, very big

thing going on all over this country. and it's called pay for play. you saw this. new e-mails come out. how do you think hillary would feel if e-mails were never invented? would she be happy? that's like a truth serum. maybe there's more to come. maybe there's more to come. pay for play. called pay for play. you're not allowed to do it, it's illegal. it's illegal and i would imagine other things are going to come down the pike. let's see what happens. >> that's the big question there. but just a little small parentheses on the fact that donald trump admitted to giving money to campaigns. both democrats and republicans whoever serves his purpose so he can get access and get things done.

so, i'm not sure it's that great coming from him. but as a clinton supporter, i think the bigger question is, what is going to come out? could something big come out? could we have implosion of economic proportions. could you say that the candidate you support doesn't have something lurking here that could bring down her campaign? >> i haven't seen any e-mails that suggest that anything would cause it to implode. >> this worries me. >> the only thing i agree with donald trump and that bizarre statement he made. we have to wait and see. i hope he's not encouraging more hacking as he did a few weeks back when he urged the russians that they would be rewarded by the american press if they were to find more e-mails. but i have no reason to believe that anyone in the clinton department something comes out to the contrary of that, we'll have to deal with that. >> we have no reason not to believe it. she has it on this issue, i

think it's -- i am going to say it from my perspective, it just doesn't feel like she's been completely honest. her answers don't feel comfortable at all. they seem hedread from legal assistance and prodding and coaching to try to get around something. my gut is, it's probably just to sort of wide on the footprint of the foundation and widen their reach for whatever, you know, needs they have to either help people or boost their own personal fortune. >> i want tapio pick up the wor dishonest. we take the two stories of the last few days. and now hillary in the e-mails. both of their brands whether they like it or not, untruthful versus unstable and dangerous. you know, just more support points owning the brand. >> but is there something else in there? >> by the way, there would have to be something very sound

biting. the difference between the two what happened to trump here. the average person at home would go, did he suggest something versus, e-mails and mushy and foundation and i glaze over and i lean back. >> maybe nothing. >> both of them were proof points of the big problems each candidate have. the difference is. trump's is very, very, very sexy. i don't know if that's the right word. you can put your arms around it. this is more the clintons, what are they doing? >> willie, see if you agree with me on this. the clinton camp, we couldn't reveal e-mails. e-mails could be revealed where they're basically saying the clinton foundation through the secretary of state is going to arrange for the king of sweden to buy rhode island, the back door deal. the trump campaign couldn't get off a dime to go after it. they're so incompetent. >> donald trump tried yesterday. he's been criticized for not seizing on these stories for any

other political campaign and overshadowed by some of the comments he made. but i think what you have to find in these e-mails is a donor to the clinton foundation influencing united states policy through the state department. the one we saw yesterday was a billionaire. being introduced to the ambassador of lebanon and not directly through secretary clinton. that doesn't mean there's not more in there and there will be more e-mails that come up. you have to find a direct correlation to money to the foundation and influencing the way hillary clinton made policy. >> we're not seeing that. >> lebanese billionaire never met the -- >> you got the name of the ambassador. >> meanwhile, donald trump is denying reports that his campaign got a talking to from the united states secret service regarding his comment about "second amendment people stopping clinton from appointing judges." which many interpreted as a call for violence. cnn reported the secret service had "more than one krvegconvers

with the trump campaign about his rhetoric." then reuters reported a federal official had said the secret service did not formally speak to the trump campaign about his comment. trump tweeted, reuters just announced the secret service never spoke to me or my campaign and made up story by cnn is a hoax. totally dishonest. last night trump railed against the media's coverage of his comment. >> what i said was absolutely. everybody was there. they heard it. they thought it was fine. rudy giuliani was there. he defended it this morning and said it was absolutely fine and what we're talking about is political power. tremendous political power to save the second amendment. tremendous. you look at the power they have in terms of votes and that's what i was referring to, obviously that's what i was referring to. i would actually say that the media is almost as crooked as

crooked hillary clinton. i mean that. i mean, look at the way they cover that story yesterday. was that disgusting. was that disgusting? and, by the way, we have our second amendment. we need our second amendment protected. >> words can have tremendous consequences. yesterday, we witnessed the latest in a long line of casual comments from donald trump that cross the line. his casualcruelty to a gold star family. his casual suggestion that more countries should have nuclear weapons and now his casual violence. every single one of these incidents shows us that donald trump simply does not have the

temperament to be president and commander in chief of the united states. >> so, rick tyler, this is the kind of story that in the republican primary worked for donald trump. he could say something. he could say the media overplayed his hands and supporters and rally around him. is it different this time around for him? >> i don't think so on his comment. i agreed on the gold star comment. the problem here is the second amendment. second amendment supporters and gun owners like myself, we don't view ourselves as honoring the second amendment, because we would like to insight violence on others. protect our selves and our families from being the victims of violence. so, the comment doesn't make any sense. the other thing, the reason trump is from a political practitioner's point of view is getting in trouble with this comment is because he has violence in the past. so, it left an opening for the clinton campaign to go after it and they exploited it and that's all everybody is talking about. by the way, this story is

stepping on what is now what i think is a very big story and a very clear line is the clinton foundation and the state department were very closely tied together. when barack obama wanted hillary clinton or asked her to be the secretary of state, it was dick luger and the relations committee who said you have all these relations with people all over the world and there is conflict of interest. we'll set up all these fire walls and it won't be a problem. as soon as she is in the state department, you see this e-mail from the clinton foundation to the secretary of state's office, cheryl mills and saying, hey, look, we need to help this big donor of the clinton foundation out. i think there's a lot more coming. >> i guess we will wait to see if there is more coming. >> i want to go back to the second amendment. two things. before trump joked about the

assassination and i would venture to say if we did a focus group of 108 political people and we played that tape, 99 out of 100 would have taken it as trump said. but i want to go back to the first part of what he said. hillary clinton wants to abolish the second amendment. we haven't seen that speech yesterday and nobody is calling trump on that. >> no. i haven't seen it. in fact, i've seen her say the opposite. she doesn't want to take away the second amendment. what people are concerned about in the republican party is that hillary clinton would appoint judges who would rule on cases in our view the wrong way. like the washington case in d.c. that prevented private citizens from keeping firearms on their own property. that is the problem. the problem with donald trump, there is nothing you can do. we have advise and consent in the u.s. senate so the judiciary committee would have the first act and ted cruz sits on that committee and he said he is committed to not allowing

activist judges to sit on the court. there is a backstop to getting activist judges appointed to the court. >> this is sponsored segment called pick on rick. >> is it sponsored by mika? >> no, definitely not. not today. >> you were just talk about in the past that donald trump has seemed to insight violence of whatever and the language of his campaign during his campaign has been sometimes off the charts and garnered great attention but to some people there was a very worrisome nugget in an nbc poll that 72% of registered republicans still don't believe barack obama is a citizen of the united states. does that trouble you at all in terms of just the storyline of legitimacy of this president and the legitimacy of past presidencies? that's where trump is going when he says it is a rigged election. >> it is troubling.

look, i worked on the cruz campaign and that was an issue in the cruz campaign and the way donald trump phrased it. he used the term which was trending on twitter yesterday. many people are saying, i'm not concerned about it. but many people are saying. boy, i hope it doesn't get in ted cruz's way. it does trouble me. the evidence is pretty clear that barack obama was born in hawaii and we should -- >> are we talking about this? let's just stop. you know what, though, this is where we are. the past couple of days for at least for me i've kind of lost. i'm losing, i'm really discouraged. >> we don't trust our political system. >> you have a republican nominee joking about -- i can't even say it, making the horrific joke. lying about it. some stooges actually getting up on stage and lying for him. we try and talk about it and talk about how that's just the last thing we need in this conversation. we talk about how both

candidates are flawed. we try to be fair and you literally have the republican nominee at this stage of the game tweeting joe in the middle of the day. like tweeting our show. i mean, it would be really flattering, except that it's really scary. >> one of the top trump surrogates said something to me off the air. every day they make one of five people is with donald because if he doesn't have a babysitter one of the four or five people, who is going to babysit him if he gets into office? who is the person who is going to sit next to him at all times with a taser to make sure he doesn't go. >> the republican party has a democrat who is not hinged as their nominee. willie? >> well, i was going to say the babysitter wasn't with him last night then. he said president obama is the founder of isis. that was --

>> do we have the clip where he says his name? the president's name. >> this is incredible. this is where we are. >> the pivot isn't going to happen. donald trump is donald trump. he is going to be who he is right to the end. >> tweet that. >> he was watching the show and started tweeting. think about it. it's pathetic, actually. it's really small. this person is the republican nominee. i'm incredibly worried. >> you say he's unqualified because he's tweeting joe scarborough. >> you know what i mean. >> he's not focused on the right things. >> i got it. >> it's beyond repair. and leaders in the republican party and the rnc, they should be acting really decisively right now p. i'm very worried. >> what could they do? >> at least tell the truth. at least tell the truth.

and, i mean, try to save their party. still ahead -- doesn't mean anything for me. just a little democrat here. still ahead on "morning joe" donald takes on the president over foreign policy calling him the founder of isis. and we'll bring in one of the nation's leading security leaders opposing donald trump, general michael hayden. republican congress mng seand reporter for "washington post" bob woodward joins the conversation. joe's band has a gig tonight. prohibition in new york city. >> upper west side. >> 80th and columbus. >> stop by around 8:00, i would say, for great music. they're saying 8:30. >> it's going to be an amazing group of people. the band is really good. donny, you coming?

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donald trump held a rally in florida rast night and took on president obama and his foreign policy. >> we unleashed fury all over the middle east and it was a terrible mistake and then obama came in and normally you want to clean up, he made a bigger mess out of it. in many respects, you know, they honor president obama. isis is honoring president obama. he is the founder of isis. he is the founder of isis. he is the founder. he founded isis.

and i would say the co-founder would be crooked and hillary clinton, co-founder. you know, recently they asked me a question about the ukraine. i said, wait a minute, crimia was taken during the obama. we're talking about this tough regime. donald trump doesn't know. i think i know more than all of them because i have common sense. i have common sense. so you hear, what would trump do with ukraine? what does he know about foreign policy? crimia. they didn't say crimia was taken a long time ago. and then they say, would you get it back? if you say no, they say you're weak. why was it let go? if you say yes, you start world war iii, right? this was taken during the

administration of barack hussein obama. okay. >> he uses the word disgusting a lot and that's just disgusting. just disgusting. it's reprehensible to say our commander in chief is the founder of isis and then throw the hussein in the end. at this point he should be ashamed of himself. i am embarrassed for him. it's embarrassing at this point. it's not funny any more. >> take that comment in a vacuum. imagine any other candidate had ever said that, that comment alone, which is just part of the fire hose of comments we get from donald trump is astounding. our main opposition in the world at this point. a group that's chopping off heads that donald trump likes to say. our president is the founder of that group. there is a case to be made. they got out of iraq too soon

and drew a red line in syria and didn't do anything about it and broke libya. when you say something like that. it overshadows the case that there is. >> three things. a few weeks back or the last several weeks looks like he's cozying up to russia. the last republican nominee for president said that russia was our greatest strategic adversary and i think he was right. two, these comments from him around isis. it's just confusing. i agree with donny, 100%. and in three, you have serious leaders on a national security and republican ledger and one will come on the show a little later saying he lacks just about everything you would want in a commander in chief making serious foreign policy decisions. yet, he continues to travel down this path as donny said. this path of ridiculousness. >> i'll try to raise the bar here and have an intelligent conversation though it's hard

from that. now principal at retired general michael hayden. one of 50 republican officials who signed an open letter saying they would not vote for donald trump. he lacks the character, value and experience to be president. and put the country's well being at risk. madeline albright, sir, argues he is already doing that right now. i'm just wondering, even just hearing those comments we just played for you right now, how would you characterize this candidate's abilities on foreign policy and keeping this nation safe? >> mika, choosing those words corrupts the dialogue. corrupts what should be a very serious dialogue. look, willie's right. the actions of the obama administration and withdrawing from iraq and going to zero. we talked about this on previous shows actually set the conditions for the recovery of

al qaeda in iraq, which then became isis. so, there is a very powerful case to be made. but when mr. trump uses this language to make that case two or three things happen. number one, he inflames the debate and we don't need the flame, we need cold, rational discussion. number two, let me say it this way, mika, he insalts his audience. he uses co-word to make a valid point. why does he do that? does he think his audience could not accept the slightly more complex, the slightly more reasoned message that this president made serious mistakes that led to the creation of isis? why does he put it this way? >> to answer with all due respect it looks like the audience is loving it. >> and perhaps for the moment. but, again, a leader is supposed to elevate us.

a leader, a president should be appealing to the better angels of our -- >> general, both candidates are scheduled. i don't know whether they've received a partial intel brief that goes to the presidency for the united states i don't know if it occurred or scheduled to occur. is there any level of discomfort within you having led the nsa, having led the cia and having sat there with the president of the united states who looks at the full presidential daily briefing. any level of discomfort in you knowing donald trump will receive a partial intel brief? >> well, mike, i guess a little bit. but you know the process is the process. he got the nomination. frankly, i'm not concerned much about any briefings that either he or secretary clinton are going to get between now and the actual election. they will be more like seminars. they'll be labeled secret.

labeled few secrets in there and generalized discussions. but as i've pointed out before, mike, on that wednesday morning after the election, one of these two people are going to get the book. they're it going to get the one that president obama gets on that wednesday morning, as well. you know what, mike, let me give you another concern. not that mr. trump might blurt something out. the political penalties for doing that, i think, will be very, very severe. put the legal questions aside. i'm more concerned about something a little more subtle. mr. trump has a habit of saying i heard people say i know. and i think we all kind of treat that now with more than one grain of salt. but will he have more legitimacy when he makes those kinds of statements after having received a classified briefing? will many americans now assume, he must have been told that in that session rather than my

assumption right now, he's making it up. >> when donald trump says some of the things he says, we're asked to blow them off. when he talks about the second amendment thing. he's making a joke, it's a throw away. the founder of isis, i'm sure he'll blow past that, as well. can you speak to the commander in chief's point of view of the words and rhetoric and how they're heard around the world? >> willie, it's incredibly critical. multiple audiences when a president or someone who might be president speaks. the american public, our friends, our adversaries are all looking for messages inside those broad comments. and, so, when you're imprecise or inconsistent or inaccurate, it confuses everyone and it temps those who would oppose us and it just scares the daylights out of those who are our friends. no, it has consequences during the campaign. you don't have to wait to

post-election. >> given the grave analysis of this candidate that you have put forward, i now want to talk about the potential for hillary clinton's campaign to run into some trouble here. i'll just sort of read some short notes here out of "wall street journal." mrs. clinton didn't turn over some 33,000 e-mails and she claimed were about personal matters but becomes more doubtful with each new e-mail discovery. the fault will lie with mrs. clinton's willful deception and gross negligence of handling official state business that have left her open for an october surprise. how worried are you that this election could be turned upside down because of that issue? >> well, i mean, it's a serious concern, as well, mika. you may have noticed in that letter from the 50 of us, none of u endorsed secretary clinton in the letter and, in fact, the letter carefully points out that

a lot of us would definitely not be voting for secretary clinton, despite our discomfort with mr. trump. mika -- >> yeah. >> the secretary had two years to prepare for chris wallace's question about ten days ago post director comey's investigation. and she gets asked the obvious question and gives an answer that earns her four pinocchios the next day from the "washington post." so, i have concerns, not just about character, but about competence in terms of answering what would have been an obvious question. >> you have two candidates you have serious concerns about. >> i do. mika, one more footnote on that letter. a lot of us have been identified in the letter as republicans. actually, a lot of us don't have a strong political identity. myself included. i would not label myself as a republican. we simply have served in a

republican administration. that's what joined us together. so, it's a fairly political letter with an apolitical message. >> where does that leave you in the voting booth? i mean -- >> it leaves me perhaps skipping the article two question at the top of the balt and paying a lot of attention to the article one question on the ballot. >> basically the entire show was on the -- what happens with the president and the box of nuclear codes in terms of there is somebody next tahim and he has the codes in his pocket and a six-minute interval he has where it is pretty much his call. i'm simplifying this to launch the weapon. can you fairly quickly articulate what is imaginable if donald trump and hillary clinton. what that math is as far as the person next to him who has the box. the code's in his pockt and he

or she has a six-minute interval to make the call on their own. >> we set that system up, donny, for speed and decisiveness in the face of an incoming attack. i mean, back to the math of the cold war, you only had a certain number of minutes to get your missiles off before they would be destroyed in an incoming attack. so, the architecture is for speed and the presumption that the president making the decision is the man you want making that decision. >> any check and balance at that point or just 100% commander in chief's call? >> there would not be a check or a balance at that point without creating what in normal times, donny, would be a constitutional crisis in terms of civilian control of the armd forces. >> okay, quickly. >> general hayden, anything in the coming weeks that donald trump could say or do, address some of the issues that could

cause you and some of your comrades to change your mind? >> i think the presumptive answer, herald, is no. we actually sat on the idea of the letter for more than a few weeks. hoping that we would see some tacking that would make us at least more comfortable and more hopeful. we didn't see it and we decided to go with the letter, which does have -- >> retired general michael hayden, thank you very much. >> i'd vote for him. >> i know. on that point, herald, he's not changing. and republican leaders know that. >> it's clear. >> the moment he won the nomination, nothing, nothing the movement, the moment didn't take over him and love of country did not take over him. love of self and brand is what's driving him. >> you're talking about donald trump now. >> let's not knock love ofself. still ahead on "morning joe." i'm trying to laugh this morning. it's hard. "washington post" bob woodward

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said it was dead silent and the rocks have jade jetting through them and just recently dramatic, completely silent scene and he dropped on one knee and popped the question. >> that is awesome. >> congrats, casey. >> how did she have time to do that? >> she doesn't have time. i don't know. i'm proud of her. >> children are the future. >> what? >> i get very tearied. have a baby some day. i get very emotional. >> look at this guy. that is from the heart. >> this is a guy that doesn't get married and have all these kids. i don't want to hear it. no, you're like, you don't marry and you have all these kids. you walk around and with little kids in little strollers and try to pick up women. i don't want to hear from you. this is a happy moment. but you use them as props to pick up women. >> they are my children and they are my dogs.

>> are you going to prohibition to hear joe's band play? are you bringing a date tonight? >> i will be there solo. up next, hillary clinton looks to put states that are -- congratulations, kasie. sorry about that. hillary clinton looks to put states that are lately deep red in the deep south in play. a new polling shows her running away with states that are key part of donald trump's strategy to expand his map. we'll talk about that in a few moments.

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she's spending a fortune on ads. >> another day and yet another poll shows hillary clinton with a serious advantage in the swing state. two polls in pennsylvania showed her up by at least 10% over donald trump the day before. clinton is leading trump in philadelphia and surrounding suburbs while trump excels in the western and central parts of the state. and the new marquette law school poll of wisconsin shows hillary clinton over the 50% mark leading by 15 points. that reflects an 11-point swing since july. so, rick tyler, what do you make of these numbers? i'm not surprised so much over wisconsin, pennsylvania, i could see being trump country in some ways. >> the problem for donald trump, florida is going to be a big, big deal. he has to win states like pennsylvania, which he's trailing by almost ten points. he has to then win ohio, which is more like four points.

if he loses those three, it just doesn't even seem possible. it seems barely possible if he loses florida. i think we'll know early on election night whether this will be a route or not. >> i think if i'm trump, i'm feeling very bullish over florida and ohio. conventions and we all know the droppings he left last week or so to be in the margin of error, i think it's good news for trump. >> and he gets massive crowds. i guess you don't know if that translates. >> that was one of the most ignorant things i've ever heard. a lot of the fox people. the polls don't make sense because he gets big crowds. polls are based on a sample that dictates 100 million plus people and trump will turn out 10,000, 15,000 people wherever you go. he's a great entertainer and puts on a great show. it has nothing to do with polls. >> i mean, these are people holding trump signs and, you know, i don't think they're going to see a circus.

i don't think they're going to see a show. >> just because people are coming out to see a rally, does not, that is not indicative of a sample. >> rick. donny is right about that. big crowds don't necessarily mean people turn out the polls. the problem with donald trump's campaign is he doesn't have a mechanism. turnout mechanism. the other is advertising and the other is data-driven targeting. he has been successful without all of these but the clinton campaign has all those things in spades and those are worth a few points. if you're looking at florida being within one point the person who has a turnout machines the one who doesn't can have a significant advantage. coming up a first look at this week's one word "time" magazine cover story. just ahead on "morning joe." is it bad when the water in the pool is green?

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ledecky racked up her fourth gold medal. and the women's 4x 200 relay. pulling the team from second place to win by nearly two seconds ahead of australia's squad. she is a machine at 19 years old. the u.s. women have won gold here every year since the event was introduced in 1996 except for one bronze finish in 2008. the stage is set for another big show down in today's 200 medley final. lochte the second most decorated olympic swimmer of all time winning gold alongside fellps in tuesday's freestyle relay. the two athletes outswam the rest of the field in the semi by about a second and will be seeking individual glory as they go head-to-head in the final. and mika mentioned this as we went to break. olympic diving officials are claiming they have figured out now what is wrong with the water

in rio. we're not talking about the beaches, instead, the diving pool that mysteriously turned green. a phenomenon that later spread to a water polo pool. officials say after water quality test no threat to the athletes. the discoloration was caused by an unusual ph level after the water tanks ran out of some of the chemicals they typically put in that water. >> they still went on. doesn't that distract them? >> give it a nice little color. mix it up a little bit. just throw that chlorine tab in. >> thank you, willie. thank you, willie. coming up at the top of the hour, "washington post" associate editor bob woodward joins us in a live report where republican candidate, the republican candidate is set to, again, rally supporters today in what could be a must-win state for them. we'll be right back with more "morning joe."

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it is the top of the hour. welcome back to "morning joe." it is thursday, august 11th. joe has the morning off. we have veteral columnist msnbc political analyst and professor at the university michigan school of public policy herald ford jr. donny deutsch is here. >> thank you. filling in as co-host "all due

respect" on msnbc. communication director and msnbc political director rick tyler. and we'll have bob woodward with us. we'll talk about what we are about to show you. some foreign policy discussions that donald trump had at a rally yesterday. he was making some interesting claims about president obama. on the front page of "washington post." an article about a deep dive into his business dealings and how he struggles with the truth when he's doing business with people. but i have to say when it comes to talking about issues on stage whether it be about hillary clinton or president obama or about our national security, i think he struggles with reality. and he struggles with even seeming slightly legitimate as an intell