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kim rhode of the u.s. writes another chapter in olympic history. >> that was a train crash. down it goes. >> brady ellison, the 2016 bronze medallist. he said it seven times. >> president obama and hillary clinton, the founders of isis. >> now, after an uproar, trump says it was all a joke. >> not that sarcastic, to be honest. states of play. our new nbc news maris pole in four more battleground states. and millions and millions. hillary clinton releases her 2015 taxes. will donald trump be pressured into releasing his? >> he refuses to do what every other presidential candidate in decades has done.

good evening and welcome to "mtp daily." i'm kristen welker in for chuck todd. we're here live in washington, d.c. with a lot to cover on a tumultuous week of campaigning and some shocking new swing state poll numbers. we will have more on that in just a moment. but first we're following the evolution of trump's assertion that president obama is the founder of isis. early it this morning he wrote in a tweet, quote, ratinged challenged cnn reports so seriously that i called president obama and clinton the founder of isis and mvp. they don't get sar kazing? it is a stunning reversal if his biggest talking point in the past 24 hours, and even after he was given repeated chances to clarify. >>ize the founder of isis, okay? he's the founder. >> he was the founder of isis, absolutely. >> i know what you meant. you meant that he created the vacuum. he lost the peace. >> no. i meant he's the founder of isis. i do. i call president obama and

hillary clinton the founders of isis. >> these are the founders of isis. >> he is the founder in a true sense. >> some people are saying not the founder but possibly he's an enabler of isis where he might get some agreement even on the democrat side. >> well, i'd call him a founder. >> by our count, trump said it seven times, hammering all the way into thursday night. and after all that, here's what i told an erie, pennsylvania, crowd just this afternoon. >> so i said the founder of isis. obviously i'm being sarcastic. then -- then -- but not that sarcastic to be honest with you. and they all said, he should not say that. that is -- they should call him an enabler. call him an enabler. he's an enablelr. i said that doesn't sound the same. >> trump seemed to anticipate our confusion. he tweeted this morning, quote, i love watching these poor pathetic people, pundits on television, working so hard and so seriously to try to figure me

out. they can't. decoding trump hasn't been easy. even his allies seem to be having trouble. here's senator bob corker who was once formally vetted as a possible trump running mate. >> to say that an elected official in our country founded a terrorist organization like isis is taking the facts that took place in 2011 and carrying that far too far. >> he's rounded out last week's series of disasters with more confusing communication. politico reporting that the campaign requested offices in all 50 states, even the unwinnable ones. and senate majority leader mitch mcconnell is even saying he may not hold on to the title that he has for very long. he told a louisville civic group that republican control of the senate next year is, quote, very dicey. reince priebus made a surprise appearance to introduce trump today in pennsylvania, and that all comes on the heels of reports of a high-level meeting between the campaign and the rnc. so the question is what comes

next? let's get straight to trump campaign spokesperson katrina pierson to help me break this all down. thanks for being here. really appreciate it. >> great to be here. thank you. >> katrina, i know that you haven't gotten the details yet of this meeting that was taking place between the trump campaign and the rnc. as you know, some people were referring to it as an emergency meeting. i know the campaign knocking down that characterization. but what do you expect to come of this meeting today? let's start there. >> well, i do know the meeting was just like all the other meetings that the trump campaign has had with the rnc and that was to talk about strategy and roll-out. we are 87 days out from the election. the campaign should be having meetings with the rnc, and reince priebus, as you just reported, was with mr. trump at the campaign rally in erie. i know that's not exciting to report and continue this narrative that somehow the rnc or trump are splitting, but the campaign is well connected to the rnc, and the rnc is 100%

behind mr. trump. >> it does come, though, as donald trump is mired in another controversy, this time over saying that president obama is the founder of isis. today he said he was being sarcastic. then we just heard him earlier this afternoon saying, well, not really that sarcastic. so first let me just get you on the record. was he being sarcastic? >> well, the answer is yes and no. you know, when hillary clinton said that she wiped her server clean, what, with a cloth, we didn't see the media asking her where she went and bought those cloths or what they were -- >> the answer can't be yes and no. >> donald trump -- >> was he being sarcastic or was he not being sarcastic? >> he was being very serious. he was being very serious when he talked about what happened and why isis is here today, and it is their fault. no, he was not saying that president obama personally went to the middle east and filled out the paperwork that incorporated isis. that's obviously not what he's saying. but what he is saying is that hillary clinton and barack obama had the intel that they needed

to make decisions, particularly arming the rebels in syria, which turned out to be isis, and as general flynn reports, they ignored that willingly and created isis. >> well, let me just stop you right there. you said that he wasn't saying literally that president obama founded isis, but when hugh hewitt, among others, pressed him on that very point, he said, i know you're not being literal here. donald trump said, oh, no, yes, i am being literal. why didn't he say in that very moment that he was being sarcastic, katrina? why is he only coming out now and saying that? >> because if you play the remainder of that interview and many others, particularly with hugh hewitt or even with the fox news one that i heard in my ear, he talks about the policies that hillary clinton and barack obama pushed that helped this form out of the ashes of al qaeda in iraq. and he's absolutely right about that. so it was the policies that formed isis. therefore making hillary clinton and barack obama the founders. however, not that they actually

filed the paperwork incorporating the entity, and that's where the confusion comes because the media kept wanting to report the first half of him talking about being the founder, but not the second half when he was specifically addressing the policies. >> all right. mr. trump seems to be in somewhat of a pattern of saying something controversial, standing by it, getting a lot of backlash, and then backpedaling. i want to give you a few examples and then get your reaction on the other side. >> russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. i think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. >> when i'm being sarcastic with something -- >> were you being sarcastic? >> of course i'm being sarcastic. >> i have the most loyal people. where i could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and shoot somebody and i wouldn't lose any voters. >> if you left it for another second, you would hear everybody in the room was laughing. it was said at a joke. obviously it's a joke.

>> so, katrina, do you understand why some people are having trouble believing this was actual sarcasm when it seems to be that he was caving under pressure? isn't that really what happened? >> no. i think what happened is you see people with an agenda try to push that agenda no matter what, and that's exactly what happened here. you can't sit there and say you actually think donald trump was talking about shooting someone on fifth avenue or actually telling russia to go and hack someone. but i could give you two pieces of information in your reporting that would be very helpful, and that is, number one -- >> he did stand by that for quite some time. >> the 2012 defense intelligence agency report that proves that donald trump is right about how isis was informed. and, number two, we could talk about the architect for the nsa who just came out two weeks ago and said those 30,000 e-mails are actually there, and the nsa has them. but we haven't seen any reporting on that yet. >> well, katrina, let me just go back, though, because on the point about russia, he was pressed by our own katy tur, who

said do you really mean to say that, that russia should release information about secretary clinton that's been hacked, and he said, i absolutely mean it. so you see there is somewhat of a pattern. let me ask you a broader question here, though. as someone who wants to be leader of the free world, should he be making sarcastic comments about issues that are this serious, terrorism, russia hacking another candidate for president? is that responsible? >> well, you know, it was the dnc and the democrats who said it was russia to begin with. that's the only reason why this even came up in the discussion. again, we haven't seen the reporting that it wasn't russia. that is out there by the way. but the other thing is of course he should be joking and having fun. i mean these are not the types of things in policy where he's saying if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor, or talking about iran and the deal that they made and then laughing about it as it turns out to not be true. mr. trump meets with people on a

dai daily people who have been harmed by wars, and he wants to put a smile on their faces and the media continues to excor rate him for that. >> let me ask you because i'm getting a wrap here. secretary clinton released her tax returns today for 2015. she's released all of her returns dating back to 1977. when is donald trump going to release his tax returns? >> as soon as the audit is complete, as he has said many times. but i think we'd rather see what's going on in -- >> katrina, as you know, there's nothing about an audit that prevents him from releasing his tax returns. >> -- have been talking about investigating the clinton foundation for -- >> i'm asking about your candidate. we're going to talk about that later. >> i answered you. >> but why not release them now, katrina? >> when the audit is complete, mr. trump said he would release it. >> there is nothing about an audit that prevents him from releasing his tax returns. >> with the exception that his lawyers advised him otherwise, and i think his lawyers know what they're talking about more than the media pundits. >> isn't this about being a transparent candidate? i mean if he's going to be

transparent as a president, how does he convince the american people that he will lead from a place of transparency if -- >> mr. trump has already released hundreds of pages of his financial dealings, and as we know, your tax returns do not show the full story, or we would know exactly what's happening at the clinton foundation and the $10 million that came in from saudi arabia. and hillary clinton says that aq is a business opportunity right there on the state department youtube. that's why we know that it really doesn't matter what's in the taxes. mr. trump has released hundreds of pages of his financial report, and he's not going to release the tax return until the audit is complete. >> okay. katrina pierson with the trump campaign, thank you so much for your time this afternoon. really appreciate it. >> great to be here. thank you. now i want to bring in the panel. beth reinhardt, national politics reporter for "the wall street journal." perry bacon, senior political report for nbc news, and brad todd, republican strategist. so thanks to all of you for being here. really appreciate it on a very busy friday afternoon.

brad, i have to start with you. your reaction to katrina pierson. did she clear this up for new. >> i have to tell you, i think this is trump's best day in august. we -- >> you do? >> the story is focused now on obama and hillary, what they did on isis. that's the place he wants this debate. >> there is, i think, an argument that a lot of republicans would like to make from a policy point of view, but that's not the discussion we're having. instead we're talking about the fact that yet again donald trump was imprecise. >> well, look, the voters take donald trump seriously as a candidate, but they don't take him literally. the press takes donald trump literally, but they don't take him seriously. and so there's a misconnect, and i think everyone is taking the bait in the fourth estate today and followed this rabbit all around. we've had a full day of did hillary clinton and barack obama coddle isis? >> are we having that debate, perry, or is there more focus on -- >> if today is donald trump's best day, i suggest his august has been bad. that might be true. i don't think this is a great debate to have. it goes to the seriousness of

does he know the issues. you asked was he being sarcastic. she said yes and no. you want them to be clear that something is a good or a bad, a yes or a no. i don't think this is a great debate for him following on the second amendment conversation on wednesday. this has not been a great week for him. he gave us sort of a solid pollty speech on monday and that seemed to be a way to build on the idea. on the issue of the economy, voters do think we need a change agent. he could be that person. he has a resume to suggest that. but he's always distracted by these gaffes. >> i know you were traveling with the trump campaign. perry points to the fact that he had this policy speech that he kicked off the week with, and i think a lot of republicans were encouraged by that and thought he's going to be on message and stay on message and talk about the economy, which is what we want him to talk about. do you get any sense inside the campaign that they understand that that's a stronger place of argument to talk about policy issues like foreign policy and the economy as opposed to these distractions? >> you know, i was with him, as you said, traveling this week, and at every step, you heard

some revival of the economic policy speech from monday. then he always seems to drift. you know, all of a sudden he's talking about his win in the indiana primary and thanking bobby knight. and we're not even in indiana. the other thing i would add about the comments about founding isis is that when you talk to voters at these rallies, as i did just last night in kissimmee, you find voters who are convinced that obama is a muslim. and bringing up things that trump himself has offered in the past, questions about obama's birth and, remember, he said after the orlando shooting, maybe president obama knew something. so there's a context here of suggestions about the president that adds up to something in voters' minds. >> you know, i was on the other side of donald trump in the primary. i supported governor jindal, and all of us and plenty of other of my peers in other campaigns, we learned the hard way that you can nitpick donald trump's language all day long, and

voters see him as a change agent, as a disrupter, and they hold him less accountable for this word or that word as long as he doesn't become a politician, they're fine with it. it's still summer, if we took where we were in this race in 2004, we would have president kerry. i think the jury is still out. we all expect him to become a conventional politician, and whether we like it or not, the element of his appeal is -- >> perry, there's no sign he's moderating at all. >> we do have some evidence. we had a poll released. rop portman leading in ohio. marco rubio leading in florida. richard bird doing pretty well in north carolina. you have state after state where the senate candidate for the republicans is running in a traditional way like a normal politician is doing pretty well, and then donald trump is losing by seven, eight, nine, ten in that same state. it does suggest at least right now, the general electorate would have a traditional republican like rob portman instead of what donald trump is

doing. >> but he doesn't have to run against rob portman. >> she's winning by seven points in these states. >> but at the same time, she always is going to have a huge hesitation factor. i don't think this election is over until it's over because she's as unpopular as she is. >> our new poll numbers coming up. stick around. beth, perry, and brad. coming up, we dig deeper into our brand new battleground state polls. stay tuned. we're back after a very quick break. what muscle pain? what headache? what arthritis pain? advil makes pain a distant memory

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as promised, we have brand-new numbers from our nbc news, "wall street journal," maris battleground polls and they tell a similar story as the ones released earlier this week. so let's dive right in. hillary clinton is up five points in florida. that's down a little bit from her seven-point advantage before the conventions. clinton up nine -- nine points in north carolina. this is significant. plus two since before the conventions. democrats have only one the tar heel state once since 1976, and that was by less than one percentage point in 2008.

clinton is up 13 points in the commonwealth of virginia, where she was up nine points before the conventions. and hillary clinton is up 14 points on donald trump in colorado. that is a six-point increase in the polls since before the conventions. these are some very healthy leads for secretary clinton in traditional swing states, but what does this mean for the race to 270? here is a blank toss up map. essentially square one for this election. clinton and trump both likely to win the states in their columns. if you give clinton the states where she's up nine points in our battleground polling, this week she's over the 270 electoral vote threshold. pennsylvania, colorado, virginia, and north carolina with eight states left on the board, including somewhere she's leading. clinton has 274 electoral votes. we're back in 60 seconds with a look at how this changes the candidates' strategies with just 89 days until election day. keep it right here. both on the track and thousands of miles away.

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political editor mark murray, and lee mary nof. thanks to both of you for being here. mark, let me start with you here in studio. what is your headline? i mean these are pretty significant leads. nine points in north carolina. >> yeah. i think the biggest lead is that if these polls all hold up and hillary clinton is ahead in these four states, donald trump does not have a realistic path to 270 electoral votes. that is just the biggest news. and say you even give donald trump the state of florida, and say that was the state where he's just trailing by five points. you give him florida, even if donald trump wins florida but hillary clinton has -- wins the other three states, donald trump has to run the table in every other state, including pennsylvania, which our nbc news/"wall street journal"/marist from earlier in the week found hillary clinton leading by 11 points. it's a very tough situation for trump. lee, mark underscores how tough this situation is. talk about how secretary clinton got this lead. it's coming from college-educated whites, women,

and folks in the city as well. >> absolutely. yeah, we're seeing it among people who are college educated or white. we're also seeing it, interestingly, among independents in three of these four states, and that's an important group. and she's also getting more democrats than trump is getting republicans in each of these states. so that means he still has a unity issue. we're way past the conventions now, and he's still dealing with unity within the gop whereas she's already got the democrats pretty much coalesced around her support. also in each of these four states, we're looking at president obama at 50% or better approval rating. well, that's something that really can be support for her candidacy as they hope to get yet another democratic administration in washington. >> and that is no doubt going to be a huge help to her, mark. you and i were talking about this urban/rural divide. how is that playing into the numbers you're see something. >> you want to know why hillary clinton is ahead by 13 points in

virginia? she is drubbing donald trump in the virginia suburbs, the d.c. suburbs. even she's winning in the virginia exurbs. you want to know why she's up 14 points in colorado? she's cleaning his clock in the denver suburbs. you have a situation where hillary clinton is doing incredibly well in the urban areas. donald trump is doing fairly well in the rural areas. there's one problem. there's so many more voters in the urban parts of these states than there are in rural points. >> go ahead, lee. >> i was going to say in our polls earlier this week with nbc and "wall street journal," what we also saw was in pennsylvania, it was the same pattern. and we've seen it in other states. then you take some states where you have this inversion going on. states that have a large white, college, upper income population like colorado, for example, and it's maybe out of play right now. the clinton campaign has sort of pulled or paused their resources into that state and virginia. so, you know, this all spells, as mark correctly identified,

you know, not just shrinking path ways, but you can't find one if this is where the outcome ultimately is in 87 days. >> if you look at these numbers and you're the trump campaign, where might you find one? we know he's going to be in connecticut on saturday. >> then i think you're grabbing a little bit at straws here. i mean i've heard talk about new york in play, california in play. there's no evidence of any of that right now. so some of this may be for fund-raising purposes, but in terms of his original strategy, which was, you know, the so-called rust belt. he took mike pence from indiana, hoping to do well in pennsylvania, ohio, you know, michigan, iowa, those states. well, we're not seeing it in these poll numbers right now. we still have a ways to go. but people, i think, after the conventions, it got a little more serious. now we're looking at a head to head matchup between him and hillary clinton. it's not that they love hillary clinton. her negatives are in the 50s in all of these states. but donald trump's negatives are in the 60s, and that's the

difference. >> and, mark, when you think about strategy in terms of the clinton campaign as lee was just talking about, they've pulled back their advertising in some states like colorado, virginia. and we know -- chuck reported first on "meet the press" this past weekend that they're looking at other states like georgia and arizona. is that smart strategy, or do they really need to focus on getting the obama coalition out? >> i think you need to do both. of course, you know, what is more important to getting and winning the presidency? it's winning states like virginia and colorado as well as ohio and florida. you want to win those instead of putting so many resources into south carolina or kansas or georgia or arizona. but, you know, they won't actually be able to do is utilize their money, utilize the rallies and the events that are coming up all for turnout. i mean, you know, we're now going to go to the part where the rallies become ways in which you get people out to the polls, particularly in early vote states. so that's going to be the big story come after labor day. >> lee, i'll give you the final word on that point.

what are your thoughts? >> i think ultimately we're going to get to the debates. then we're going to get to the last couple weeks of this long, nothing that's been ordinary campaign, and then we're going to look at organization. and as mark said, the turnout. and right now the hillary clinton campaign is way more organized than the donald trump campaign. so there's no ace in the hole for him to pull out at the end in terms of his campaign organization. right now, that's not there for him. >> we know that so much comes down to the ground game and organization. great conversation. thank you, mark murray and lee. really appreciate it. still ahead, what we know from hillary clinton's tax returns, and will it put more pressure on donald trump to release his? stay tuned. that's next. what if a company that didn't make cars made plastics that make them lighter? the lubricants that improved fuel economy. even technology to make engines more efficient. what company does all this? exxonmobil, that's who. we're working on all these things to make cars better

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welcome back to "mtp daily." the clinton campaign released president and secretary clinton's 2015 tax return today. the filing shows the clintons made $10.7 million last year, paying an effective federal tax rate of 34.2%. most of that income came from booking royalties, consulting, and from speaking fees. secretary clinton has been forced to defend the money she made on paid speeches since leaving the state department. it turns out she was paid about $1.5 million last year in speaking fees. in 2014, she was paid $10.5 million for speeches. the clinton campaign also released ten years of tax returns for her running mate, tim kaine, in hopes of pressuring donald trump to release his own. let's bring back the panel, beth rhine hard, perry bacon. let's start with donald trump. do you think this pressures him to release his returns? >> well, it's traditionally been a price of admission to run for president. however, i do think that he -- if he plans to release his

returns, he's going to drag this out as long as possible and talk about the clinton foundation as much as possible, talk about what was in the speeches she gave. you know, she went to india and said outsourcing is going to continue. i think if the trump campaign is smart, they're going to drag it out and talk about every line item and every speech she ever gave and ever dollar the clinton foundation took. >> there's no doubt i think that will be his strategy. we've seen that. you have this new polling, though, which shows 64% of voters say they want trump to release his tax returns. does that change the equation, perry, do you think for voters or for trump? >> you know, i don't. i'm not sure this is a voting issue. i think it's a thing the media asks for. i respect that idea, but i'm not sure voters are moving on that issue. the second thing is trump has been thinking about this for a while. it may be the case that's what's in the returns would be more problematic than not releasing them. we don't know that, but there might be more of a calculus here about why he's not releasing them too. >> you obviously, beth, were again, just to remind our

viewers, were with the can't campaign for some time -- >> trump. >> the trump campaign. yes. thank you. do you get the sense this is a big issue for them? >> when you talk to voters at the rallies, those that are willing to be a little bit more critical of trump, and most voters at the rallies are very defensive because of, of course, the hostility that he has fostered for the media. but that's not -- you know, if you say, you know, is there one thing that trump could be doing better or differently, they might say, i wish he would tone it down or i wish he would not be personally insulting to, you know, gold star families. maybe he shouldn't have done that. but no one mentions the taxes. >> transparency is not something the clintons like to run on. >> let's talk about what's in their tax returns whar, what th learned today. the fact they did scale back their paid speeches but they still made a lot of money in paid speeches, do you think there's anything there to seize on, or do you think the clinton

foundation -- >> i think there are possibly a lot of connections between people who -- >> but strategically do republicans use it or do they focus more on the clinton foundation? >> there's already been a pretty damaging television ad on clinton speaking to outsources in india and a speech she did not want to be public. i think there is a fratreasure trove there. she famously came out and said we were dead broke when we came out of the white house. meanwhile she flies around in private jets. >> the other thing we learned is that bill clinton made over $1.5 milli $1.5 million consulting for laureate education. that's the largest for-profit university system in the world. is that something that could hurt secretary clinton with progressives, with her base at all? >> i think just because of where donald trump is right now, i think she's doing pretty well with progressives. i do think on the speeches issue, remember how bernie

sanders really fupushed her in e debates. i imagine donald trump could push that issue in the debates as well. you made all these money from speeches. you won't release them. is there something in them that's secret? i can see trump making that argument. >> beth, anything you see in these tax returns that you think could be really problematic? >> well, the one thing that i thought could have been an advantage for clinton but maybe not was, you know, to show that they gave all this money to charity. that, as you know, has been an issue for trump. you know, disputes over whether did he really give millions or not very much at all. but the fact that all their charity went to the clinton foundation, a topic that brings -- >> right, right. which we're going to discuss, yes. all right, guys. stick around again. great conversation. we'll have more in just a few minutes. we want to turn now to the dnc hack, which we were talking about leaks and other issues hitting the campaign. joining me now is president of emily's list and a clinton support, stephanie. thanks for being here. really appreciate it. >> thank you for having me.

>> so let's start with that hack that we're talking about. i've been talking to some who are close to the investigation of the hack. they say, look, there's likely going to be more leaks. the clinton campaign could be targeted. that's not certain yet. how jittery do you get the sense democrats are about potential future leaks? >> well, i got to say in the conversations that i've had, it's much broader than that. i think we're all thinking about this as americans and how concerning i think this is for all americans, that what seems like might be a hack done by another country during a presidential cycle in our country -- this is a very, very dangerous, and i think we, as americans, need to be very concerned about what is going on here. >> as we were just talking about with the panel here, anytime you mention e-mails or hacking, it sort of gives republicans an opening to talk about secretary

clinton's e-mails, how secure they may or may not have been. are you satisfied with the way she's dealing with that issue right now? obviously a lot of questions in recent weeks. but donald trump has had a lot of controversies as well. you kind of think, well, if he weren't dealing with some of those issues, would the focus be on secretary clinton and that overshadowing issue? >> well, the questions about the e-mails have been asked and answered over and over again. in fact, ten -- you know, millions and millions of taxpayer dollars, in fact, have gone into this process both in the house of representatives and, of course, the justice department coming out and saying there's no wrongdoing. i mean i think what's really important here is that what we've seen in the last couple weeks -- and arguably for the last few months -- is a candidacy in donald trump where his words are very, very damaging. he does not understand that words matter, and he is really

putting this country at risk if he thinks he's going to be president. it's -- it is very upsetting. and when i go and travel -- i was just in philadelphia, a battleground state in pennsylvania. saw your polling numbers where she's moving in the right direction. just there, and i tell you, voters that i'm talking to are very, very concerned about his ability to keep us safe. in fact, they don't think it's at all possible, that he's dangerous, and that hillary clinton is the one who has a proven record to keep america safe. >> let me get back to one of the headlines this week that secretary clinton was dealing with, and it related to the clinton foundation. there were some e-mails that were released as a part of a foia request. i want to be clear about that. these e-mails were not a part of any type of hacking, but they raised questions about whether there was too cozy of a relationship between the clinton foundation and secretary clinton's state department. now, the clinton campaign pushed back against that, but the

optics certainly didn't help. what did you make of that, and does that not create some vulnerabilities for her? >> no, i really -- what we're seeing here is, you know, the ebbs and flows of a campaign. i mean as you said, this was done by a right-wing organization who is looking to destroy hillary clinton. >> but that doesn't change the content of the information, and the information did raise some serious questions about coziness between the clinton foundation and secretary clinton's state department. >> which, again, we've looked at these e-mails. the questions have been asked and answered over and over again. voters are not at all interested in this. they're looking for leadership. they're looking for a candidate in their president to be someone who is looking forward on how to make their lives better, and there is clearly only one candidate who has an economic proposal that's going to move this country forward as well as

a candidate who's going to keep us safe, and that's hillary clinton. and you can see that even in your polling today. >> stephanie, you probably know that even some of secretary clinton's supporters say that if she is, in fact, elected president, that the clinton foundation should essentially be dissolved. what is your take on that? do you agree with that assessment? >> it is an interesting question, but the truth is the clinton foundation, if you just step back, has done so many incredible things around the world. there are thousands, if not millions, of people in africa who are alive today because of the clinton foundation. and i think -- i think the clintons and i think this country should be very proud of the work that the clinton foundation has done all around the world. >> all right. we are out of time, but i appreciate you being here. >> thank you for having me. >> we'll be right back after a quick break.

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florida. pastor mark burns had this to say. let's take a listen. >> -- how the liberal media and they are here today, the liberal media's here. they're here today. you ought to just tell them how you really feel. tell them how you really feel. >> so beth, what was it like to be in that room? what happened in that moment? >> so what you're not seeing in that clip is thousands of people turning toward the press pen and booing and thumbs down and shouting and heckling with as much animosity as they have toward hillary clinton, they have toward the folks who are there doing their job. it was so upsetting that it was almost funny. >> i understand that's a regular occurrence. >> i have been there for those trump rallies. yeah. people boo. >> perry, let's go to your

moment which was some of these republican defectors, if you will, including senator susan collins who said the breaking point for her was really the khan controversy. she wrote i will not be voting for donald trump for president. very powerful words. >> i wasn't surprised susan collins as much as the letter that the 50 national security republicans, if you look at that list, basically the people who ran america's foreign policy from 2005 to 2008, the second term of bush, basically all the people who had big jobs except for condi rice and her staff said i cannot vote for him. really profound moment in this election cycle. >> brad, yours was from the world of sports which i love. michael phelps explaining why he laughed during the national anthem as he received his gold medal on tuesday. he said friends in the stands yelling oh during the anthem. >> baltimore orioles fans when it comes time to say "oh, say can you see" they belt out os. i thought that was a nice silent protest to bring baseball back to the olympics. it's still america's pasttime even as we win gold medals. >> as a former softball player

i'm all for that. mine was also from the world of sports. it had to do with two incredible young women, simon biles and simone manuel, who became the first african-american woman to win an individual event at the olympics. her time was also an olympic record. of course, it's just so cool to watch simone biles. have you been staying up way too late watching the olympics? >> with my kids. >> exactly. well, it's a nice little break from the world of politics. perry, what will you be watching the next couple of days? >> watching to see what does trump do to sort of get off this what i think is like a bad week of him, see if he can get back on the economics which i thought was actually a good part of his campaign and get back on the issues more. it's been tough for him but i do think the polls might show, the polls show a dip among republicans and i think we focus on clinton and her problems more, republicans will come back home to him. >> brad? >> i think the clinton

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that's all for tonight. we'll be back monday with more "mtp daily." have a great night. i'm donny deutch. >> i'm mark halperin. "with all due respect" to taking the boy out of queens -- >> go home to mom. go home to mom. and your mother is voting for trump. >> considering you brought my mother into it. happy friday. the end of this week could not have come any sooner for donald trump. it has been one of the worst periods of his presidential campaign, although maybe we're just saying that because we're members of the mainstream media. so don't take our word for it. listen as some analysis from a dispassionate observer, rush