will also end up picking the democrat. republicans are saying, maybe it's people are voting against trump, that's what republicans are worried about, we'll wave. that's going to do it for us tonight. now it's time for hardball with chris matthews. uncertain trump, let's play hardball. i'm chris matthews and watch donald trump who believe means never you're having to say you sorry. he woke us this morning telling all his repeated claims that president obama is the founder isis wasn't meant to be for real. he made the about face, saying rating challenged cnn reports so seriously that i call president obama and clinton the founder of

isis and mvp. they don't get sarcasm. well, at a rally later this afternoon, trump, again, said he shouldn't have been taken at his word and attacked the media for doing that. let's watch. >> i make one mistake, oh, he mentioned something wrong, he got a wrong date. headlines all -- so i said, the founder of isis -- obviously, being sarcastic. then but not that sarcastic to be honest with you. and they all said, he should not say that. that is -- they should call him an enabler, call him an enabler, he's an enabler. i said that doesn't sound the same. he's an enabler, people say -- these people are the worst. so they knew i was being sarcastic, but now they're analyzing, did i really mean that? how could i say that? these people are the lowest form of life, i'm telling you.

>> well, this comes after donald trump in just the last 48 hours made the accusation multiple times doubling down on his charge every time he got. here he is quadrupling down on the charge that president obama is a founder of isis. here he is. >> he is the founder of isis. he's the founder of isis. okay. he's the founder. >> as far as i'm concerned, and i'll say it and i'll say it to anybody who wants to listen, he's the founder of isis, they must love him. >> barack obama is the founder. he is the founder in a true sense. >> you mentioned president obama being the founder of isis, what did you mean by that. >> he's the founder of isis, yes. he's the founder. he's a founding father. >> do you think it's appropriate to call the sitting president of the united states the founder of a terrorist organization that wants to kill americans?

>> he was the founder of isis, absolutely. >> i know what you meant, you meant that he created the vacuum and lost the peace. >> no, i meant he's the founder of isis. >> i call president obama and hillary clinton the founders of isis, they're the founders. >> i don't think i've seen anything quite like this. joining me is hally jackson. let me ask you this, hally, why did we all believe what he said, hugh tried to talk him off the cliff there, he said, no, no, he's the founder of isis. at 6:30 he says, that's not what i meant that was sarcasm or something. how do you figure? >> this is a pattern that fits into trump's play book in the past, i think you nailed it with the repeated times that he was given an opportunity to get out of what he said, he was asked point blank, what did you mean? didn't you mean x, y or z he

said, i meant he was the founder of isis. i think what happens he sees the reaction, he floats these trial balloons, he look how others are reacting he decides how he'll walk it back or not. they're only semi walk backs he came out right before the morning shows, tweeted about it being sarcasm, talked about it being sarcastic, he acknowledged not totally. so even then walking back the walk back, if you will. but for trump we have seen this. remember what he suggested that the russians should have hillary clinton. he was asked about that in an interview and he said at the time that, of course, he was being sarcastic. ate it allows him to do a couple of things. it allow ls him to go after democrats for spinning what he calls talking points. and it allows him to hit the members of the media who are standing on the platform with me and which is for trump, proving to be an effective strategy.

>> hallie, any way, moments ago donald trump said the only way he could lose the election is if his opponents cheat. let's watch that. >> the only way he could lose, in my opinion, i really mean this, pennsylvania, is if cheating goes on and we have to call up law enforcement and we have to have the sheriffs and the police chiefs and everybody watching because if we get cheated out of this election, if we get cheated out of a win in pennsylvania, which is such a vital state, especially when i know what's happening here, folks, i know. she can't beat what's happening here. the only way they can beat it, in my opinion, and i mean this 100%, if in certain sections of the state they cheat. >> well, you know what he's talking about, hallie, he's talking about philadelphia, certain sections of this state,

certain sections. i know what he's talking about when he's outjohnstown, that's a mess sang, they wouldn't cheat here in johnstown, no, they cheat back in the east, back in the philly. i know what he's saying. >> right. he talked about philly when he brought up philly, by the way, as a pennsylvania man yourself, i mean, people here booed. the mention of philadelphia, for example, this idea that trump is continuing to talk about a rigged system plays on two fronts, number one, to trump it's a way of continuing to promote this argument that the big guys are stacking it up against him, that he's the underdog and fighting for the people like the ones in altoona. on the flip side this is one of the dangerous long-term arguments that donald trump is making. if trump loses, he can then point to the system and say it's not right and fair and rigged. that under minds the foundation of what the election system is built on in this country.

it is an argument he started making a couple of weeks ago and he brought up time and time again in places at rallies like this. >> and that's the kind of stuff they do in third world countries with less developed democracies. you'll say you'll have it stolen. thank you for the reporting there up in altoona. i'm joined by national politics under politico as well as senior political reporter. this has really got us on him. why do we record his words, two days later he says they don't matter, they were something else. >> this is the same argument we heard him make in the primaries when it looked like ted cruz was going to be challenging, is that he he's struggling in the polls and he starts to lay the groundwork what is going to be the excuse for why, if he winds up losing, the whole thing was rigged. it was the establishment taking them down and it's essentially the same thing he did in the primary, it's pre-emptive

strategy. >> what we have is the physical sort of appearance on the stage. you look at them and listen to them. there are no actions in politics, they're words. if his words are totally indescribable, unreliable, what is this campaign about. if he says this doesn't matter because i didn't say this, and this is going on now for the time. the other classic example, of course, when he said the russians, i want them to hack into hillary's e-mail. >> what he said the video showing the money drop rather than a hostage being released. he has this sort of cavalier approach to words and to facts and the truth that is something that worked well for him in the primary, but like hallie said, his message plays well in that room. his problem is he's talking to the same room. it's a challenge covering him. it's like trying to describe a snow globe. he's sitting there saying, it was sarcastic, i mean, he's constantly contradicting himself and making it challenging.

supporters see what they want to see. >> i know. >> i thought this was different though, chris, in some ways trump does kind of go off the cuff and goes he makes a gaffe here or there. this was pretty deliberate. you showed with your clips he did it over and over again and i think in trump's mind because, let's be clear here, no one is running this campaign but trump, in his mind this was a good strategy to try and -- >> i have 30/20 theory, 30% are going to vote no matter what he says. they like it -- he's really from africa, he's not one of us. of course he's the founder of isis, he's from africa, of course, it's that 30% are buying the literal charge and then he gets worried, wait a minute i can't win with 30%, i need the 20% that people read the newspapers, i better pull back. he gets up at 6:30 this morning, i can't move at 30%. who don't like the clinton and

bush thing going on all the time. i've got to get them back, so he says, it was just sarcasm, he's scared for a second, he goes oh my gosh, i wasn't really being sarcastic, he's trying to get the 30, his core, and pick up the 20 and he's going to get back crazy about this. >> i think it's a matter of who is he listening to, he know what is he thinks and believe. he's losing his leverage with the rnc and -- >> with that 20% that he needs. >> trying to hammer into him, you know, get on message, finally, he needs the rnc. when they come and call and they yell at him, you know, at some point he's running out of leverage. >> he's done there 50%. now he's going down 35%, democratic senate chris murphy of connecticut took to twit tore criticize the showcasing true sarcasm, what i'm looking for is a president who has a good sense of humor about isis, and russian

cyber warfare, they've been critical of recent comments about the present, told a local reporter in tennessee, to say that an elected official in our country founded a terrorist organization like isis is taking the facts that took place in 2011 and carrying that far too far. newt gingrich is showing kp exasperation. >> one of the things that's frustrating is the language. he sometimes uses three words when he needs ten. i know what trump has in his mind that's not what people hear and i think that's -- he has got to learn to use language that has been thought through and that is clear to everybody and to stick to that language because otherwise, the main stream media is going to take every possible excuse to pile on. >> this isn't about -- let's take a look now at the pattern here. just this morning at 6:30,

you've got to get up early to catch trump, he tweets the fact, it's sarcasm, the day after day the relentless thing i showed you obama is the founder of asiisis along with hillary clinton of course. after he asked russia, talking to country that committed act of cyber terrorism against clinton's campaign. he later explained he was being, hear is the word "sarcastic" let's watch. >> russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. >> when i'm being sarcastic -- >> when you're being sarcastic. >> of course, i'm being sarcastic. >> when he started his act on saturday night live, just kidding, he thought that was a great line. just kidding. just being sarcastic. >> a lot of his appeal is doing it so differently and so unconventional being willing to throw everything out and be

entertaining. most people, i think, at this point the election has gotten to the point where we're looking at who is going to be president, there's a seriousness to it, now. you want sarcasm, you watch snl you don't want to see that in someone's whose words are going to have geo political stock market. >> it could cause a collapse of the market, you know, he says things that, oh, that doesn't matter. >> add it to the list, we've got to move on day by day when he says these things, i feel like they're reaching that ceiling point in the polls where he came out of what was generally not the most successful republican convention in history compared to democratic convention, and it's only been stumble, stumble, since then, the second amendment comment the other day. and i really feel like those people who might have given him a chance, the independence, the more moderate republicans, those are starting to harden. >> the 20% he needs to go to 30 to 50, we'll talk about the end of the show, as you were so smart to say, it was a dull

convention, he gave a pretty good speech at the end, but the week wasn't that good. and then he comes on, this week was worse. i think it's the worst week for him in the convention. >> economic roll out, we wouldn't know it. >> he said as soon as americans see donald trump as a believable president this election is over. they didn't see it that week and they certainly -- >> what do you think he's thinking when he's going to bed at night. thank you, sir, coming up. new battleground polling makes the point you made, shows hillary clinton down to big lead in some key states, this race might be a run away with less than 90 days, there's a lot of ground to make it. can clinton afford to stay it safe. right now this week, i think it's a good week for her. in pennsylvania he said youngstown ohio, monday's trump is counting on those white voters, you know, the kind of people that jd writes about the hill billy eligibility and it's

about the southwestern pennsylvania and that part of the country. helps us understand the hard core supporters. 2015 tax returns, that return -- now she's daring trump to do the same, the hardball round table will be here with that and the question people are asking why does trump really want to win this thing? i keep hearing that. i think he wants to win. he doesn't know what he's doing, though, right now. let me finish with the outlook, i've got it figured, i think, this week. this is "hardball" the place for politics.

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we have new numbers out tonight from our nbc news "wall street journal" marist poll two states donald trump needs to win, starting with the always crucial state, swing state of florida, state obama care in 2012 and trump needs to pick up. when clinton holds a lead of 44 to 39, five-point lead, not huge but real. in north carolina, a state that mitt romney won in 2012, trump needs to hold in november, the republicans need to hold on to that and clinton is opening up a 9 point lead there, without trump carrying these, florida

and north carolina just how big could a hillary clinton victory be in november, steve has the latest for us at the big board. i've been trying to figure out how trump wins for weeks now. everybody tells me you've got to win florida and hold north carolina for the republicans, he has too win pennsylvania, ohio and other states, but those are essential, ho do they look now. >> those are cornerstones, let's take you through it, first of all, if there's a simple road map this is what his campaign has been pointing through for a while, what he has to do improve where romney was in 2012, you win pennsylvania, you win ohio, you win florida. that's been the simplest path for him to see. like you say, though, he's got a problem here, he's down in florida right now. we had him earlier this week in our polls, down five points in ohio. big big problem in pennsylvania there's a couple of polls that have him down double digits there, those key three states, he's not leading in any of them, he's getting flat out blown out

in pennsylvania. then you add on to that, north carolina. as you mention, a romney state in '12. hillary clinton is the one to flip a red state to blue, look what happens. if she does that, if she flips north carolina, even then if trump gets those three he's been talking about, look at that, he's short of 270. he's got to get north carolina. he's got to hold the romney states and flipping blue states, the reality is we talked so much about what trump needs to do, right now hillary clinton is in better position to flip red states that trump is to flip blue states. >> you're the best, steve, thank you so much. steve in new york. jamal simmons and michael is former trump advisor. you're -- what do you make of this thing, i keep thinking everybody is watching the television show, nationwide they'll watch the same stuff. the numbers seem to be moving pretty much in the same direction, he's moving down everywhere, your thoughts? >> i'm most disturbed these

polls that come out today in virginia and colorado those are two states that are republican for many years looks like they've probably gone blue. nbc "wall street journal" poll has always been bad for trump. i think really what's got me concerned here is north carolina, like you mentioned, if hillary is really -- let's say she's up five instead of the nine that's in this poll. it's bad for trump he's got to win north carolina and of course arizona and georgia are also said to be close and those are must-win states. when it comes down to it, you're right, it's going to be florida and ohio, if we don't win north carolina, we've got a problem. >> you know, jamal everybody watches television, let me put it this way, some watch fox and cnn, but they do know the same stories coming out now. >> and some people come -- sure do, that's normal. but they hear trump saying the same stuff everywhere and it's got to be troubling to them. >> i'm sure it is troubling, i

think it's one of the reasons you're seeing this number hover. it looks like hillary could be on the verge of electoral clelk majority. -- college majority. she might have 49% ceiling because everyone else goes to third-party candidates. i don't know what that tells us, but it does maybe hold down some of the other races around the country that we see are looking pretty good. >> who wins -- i mean, i keep hearing people talk about going to gary johnson libertarian guy, i don't see a lot of movement there, it's somewhere above five. some people say it's moving. i don't see it moving yet. >> well, i also think your people are writing off the green card, they're going to be in a lot more states than people even realize and probably going to be on the ballot in places where hillary clinton is going to be on the margin. these third parties are going to play more of a role.

>> where people -- >> yeah. >> i'm going hard left, i'm going to for jill stein, you think that will happen? >> don't talk about landslide yet, that's like measuring for the drapes in the white house, you know. >> why not? >> it's not going to happen. it's really early right now. if this were 21 days for now, if these were labor day and we had these numbers, i will be concerned. there's a lot of time left on the clock and donald trump have time to write this. >> he's up for a really wild crazy one, i might do it. >> here is the one place we might be a little bit of agreement here. i think there's a possibility you can see some young voter, 71% bernie sanders who are too young to remember the 2011 election when ralph cost him the white house. you could see some of those. >> there's another person that cost al gore the white house, al gore. >> i'm going with nader again. >> you know, what you could see

is some of the young voter who is are too young to remember the sting of that get enchanted by one of the third party candidates. i think that's the only reason they have to worry about a little bit of state confidence. >> right now, trump doesn't seem to have the ability to sustain two or three days of good press. i mean, you start off monday this week, you tell me what went wrong. he had a whole plan to talk serious economics and trash hillary clinton. he's got so over board it's not credible. she wasn't a founder of isis, that's too long a stretch. >> and he's also not a -- but he was also not a leading recruiter for isis as hillary clinton said. i checked his resume, he's not a recruiter for isis, they're both exaggerating and they're both being sarcastic. i think they're being sardonic on this. also -- i'll stipulate that newt gingrich is right here. the word choice makes things difficult and when we're behind like this, word choice really

matters. >> you're highly articulate fellow. thank you, mike. he can use this and put a towel over your shoulder and say, i think i can help you with that donald. thank you jamal simmons, thanks for coming here. still ahead he's tapped into an anger of white working class voters we know that and talk about this. my next guest really tackles that head on. and interesting understanding way with a compelling narrative for those left behind, it's the untold story of 2016. it's going to be fascinating. stick around and watch this and explains that 30% through hell and high water. this is "hardball" place for politics. get moving. keep moving. i know! try laxatives. been there, done that. my chronic constipation keeps coming back. i know. tell me something i don't know.

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welcome back to "hardball." it's one of the reasons he's in pennsylvania tonight. trump's bet is that his appeal in the midwest and others will make up for any shortcomings he's likely to have with minorities and well educated voters. now a new book has managed to capture -- hill billy elegy, it's a personal story about. the "new york times" describe it

as a tough love analysis of the poor who back trump, calling it, a compassionate discerning sociological analysis of the write under class that has helped drive the politics or rebellion. it provided inadvertently provide a guide for uncivilized election and he's done to both democrats and republicans, imagine that. i'm joined now by tauthor jd vance. you're a great writer. and i kept thinking of my heroes and you can't go home again. i'm not sure you can go home after writing this. let's talk about your family. what is it that you're trying to achieve in talking about people you call hill billys, red necks whatever, what are you trying to get across to everybody else? >> what i wanted to try to get across and what i want to try to explain is these problems and inequality are really complicated. i think on the left we tend to have a conversation about what government isn't doing and on the right we tend to have

conversation about what individuals aren't doing and it seemed to me we weren't having a conversation about both weren't doing and what both could do better. so i thought that by opening up my own life and my own family and being very honest about my own problems that i could -- be part of the better conversation. >> what do you think makes people who have it rough, they live out in mountains they don't have jobs and they don't have, obviously, the things most of us think are good things to have in life, they don't have beautiful jobs and families they can get educated and move ahead to the next generation, what makes them break bad. >> i think it's not just the people who live in the mountains but it's the broad that have located themselves in pennsylvania, michigan, ohio, indiana and so forth. it's not just the people who are living in the hills. i think the answer, again, is

pretty complicated, one of the things i realized in writing this book is that family break down and family chaos, which i thought of before i wrote the book is primarily a problem of individual character, it's intergenerational is that families pass on their chaos and domestic strife to next generation. so in the same way that a lot of other problems pop up and that have existed for many generations, it's just complicated, it comes from a combination of economic dispossession but also learn helplessness and problems people have acquired through their families and from their neighborhoods. >> i i thought that one of the things we talked about this, one of the things in one of our producers is from africa, we talked about how the whites have a particular situation, they come up with the -- the white people have had advantages, privileges in western society, if they don't make it, hey, what went wrong with me? that's different than minority groups that felt they never had any special break coming to

them. when white people country making when they see immigrants making it in our society, see them on television and quite significant rolls, do they -- roles, do they get a special bitterness from that? >> i don't know if they get a special bitter bs from seeing other people succeed. they get a special bitterness for the expectation that they have from their own lives not materialized. they thought their children would have the american dream even though my grandparents were born in poverty in eastern kentucky cold country it hasn't really materialized you think about these areas that have suffered economically that have stacked upward mobility. it's a certain pezism about what their own children and grandchildren will expect. i think that's where the real bitterness comes from. >> you talk about the values there, like loyalty and honor, loyalty and honor i think are great, when you see in the culture you grew up in, they're a problem. loyalty and honor. >> absolutely. i think loyalty and honor are

obviously great traits and there are some of the things i took the hill billy culture that i love and care about. it has its limits, right. when i was five years old loyalty and honor meant when someone insulted my mom i had to punch them in the nose. when you think about what that means in the context of modern 21st century marriage or you think about what that means in the corporate board room, conflict cannot be resolved like that, successful conflict resolution requires a calmer head and cooler thoughts. i think that's one of the things i had to learn in my own life and frankly it's something that i didn't know growing up. it's something i had to adjust to. >> some of the things you write about remind me of, you know, south boston or south philly. or -- and this whole neighborhood thing, loyalty to the neighborhood, loyalty to your church, your crowd,

sometimes violence, sometimes street fighting, it doesn't seem alien to me, the people in the country, explain, the overlay. >> well, i don't think it should be too foreign, i think in a lot of cases these values and these exist not just in the appalachian mountains but exist in the broader working class. the white working class that has a brighter education. if you grow up poor and you don't have a lot going for you, your honor is one of the few things you really have, right, you're willing to protect it at all cost. if you're mobile and you're trying to get ahead in the world, those traits don't necessarily serve you well when you're sitting in a corporate board room. >> i like the way you right, sir, and you certainly get well. it's the ohio state university, you didn't get the article in there. you're going to pay for that. any way, thank you so much, y strks -- jd, the book is called

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welcome back to "bahardball this week donald trump -- on monday he went on offense with serious economic speech. here he goes, to remind you. >> all hillary clinton has to offer is more of the same, more taxes, more regulations, more bureaucrats, more restrictions on american energy and on american production, more of that. >> with that towards the economy

and serious stuff was short-lived. >> hillary wants to abolish, essentially, abolish the second amendment. by the way, if she gets to pick -- if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. although the second amendment people, maybe there is, i don't know. isis is honoring president obama. he is the founder of isis. he's the founder of isis. okay. he's the founder. he founded isis. and i would say the cofounder would be crooked hillary clinton. cofounder. >> wow, with each of those missteps he took back that founder of isis things. each came a lost opportunity for the trump campaign to try and focus on the media's attention or try to get the media to focus

on media clinton. now the clinton campaign is trying to seize the moment and release taxes and putting pressure on trump for not releasing his. coauth coauthor of hrc trying to promote that early on and national political reporter for the washington post. so, this is, you know, like i follow them and we all follow our favorite teams. when we have a bad week like they're three and seven, you keep hope and so trump comes out of his convention, it wasn't a great convention. the rest of it was a disaster, i think, he's hoping this week is going to be good. it was terrible. >> absolutely. -- >> what's going on? why can't they have -- one string five days together? >> i don't think they can, which is shocking to me, this is -- trump is a business guy. >> you're laughing. >> you're enjoying this. >> you've got to enjoy it because it's comical.

it's like a really good, really bad reality show where the main star always does something crazy the week after so you continue to tune in. >> is this howard stern. >> no, it would be fine in kim kardashian. >> that's the second time in history to show the names have been put together. >> trump nato. >> be serious, he knew the challenge he had to get serious, straighten his face out and say something intelligent and focus the heat on hillary? >> he had several opportunities this week where he could have trained scrutiny on her, i mean, there was the release of some more e-mails, which while not damming or unflattering, he could have, you know, spent a lot of time talking about that. >> it did show there wasn't a firewall between the clinton foundation and -- >> it certainly shattered that. >> the foundation aids thought they could seek favors from

state department aids, that does not rise to the level of hillary clinton saying or doing something on behalf of the foundation, which is what -- >> it's just -- >> -- trump is trying to get at. he missed that opportunity. that should have been a giant opening for him and instead we spend three days talking about second amendment threats on is he inciting threats on hillary clinton's life and is she -- are she and barack obama the founder of isis. it's an absurd conversation. >> why doesn't trump, every night sit down and have his people sit around and say what's hillary clinton scheduled to do tomorrow and anticipate she's doing to do something wrong and jump on that. play offense. you have to anticipate. where is she going to be, let's be ready to strike and get on her. >> trump doesn't have that kind of patience. what we watch is inability to

sit back for five minutes a and not be the center of attention. he's like an infant, if you've got a small child and tell him to go to bed, they go, no i'm not going to bed, if you go go to bed, they might go to bed. the advisers, obviously, are telling him to keep it cool and he has no ability. >> do you think he's a business guy. he's got 1 billion or 11 billion, i think the lifestyle changes. he's use to a business press, which you only -- if you're a business -- reporter you get in when the guy says you come in. he's not use to everybody following him and attacking him. he's not use to this. >> no he's not. a lot of the reason he's behaving the way he is, we're playing armchair psychologist here, is because he has profited in his business career by having a combative personality. you do not let something slide. you don't take -- you just don't

take a punch and step aside and you don't try to change the subject. and that is what he has been unable to stop doing despite the advice, not only of his advisers but he's going, please don't do that. and he does it any way. >> it sound to me, that -- talking about this, there's an opportunity for him, not now, i think he's screwed up saying he can win. right now i don't think he can win, right now. that 20% he needed, he has 30 no matter what he does. he can shoot people down and he can have that 30%. he needs another 20 and he's losing that to. he's almost lost two-thirds of it now. he can't get this by this game. it works for the hard core. >> i completely agree wit. i think he can't get it he's not punching smart. he's pushing tpp a great opportunity for donald trump to jump in and say, listen, you know, we -- this is bad trade deal, hillary believes in it, even though she says she doesn't, play this --

>> there's truth there. she probably is -- he probably is, the president is going to try to get it in the lame duck after the election. >> he is and that's what he said to our show on the floor of the democratic convention. it's going to happen. he should be punching on that, every day left hook and he's missing it. >> bernie people with that. >> exactly. >> he's doing the opposite right now, which is, you know, you can go after hillary clinton on some of the state department issues, you go after her flipping on tpp instead he's saying she's the cofounder of isis. i mean -- >> was that to cover up the second amendment he had earlier? >> how many people subscribe to like the rock star problem, or the rock star gets so high up like the movie, the jersey boy. you say how -- you tell me how you're doing to behave 100 million records, he just can't take the attitude and he's being a little self destructive. he can't take it up there. a lot of people keep telling me

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a close source in texas. >> that's bad news for him. >> bad news. >> he goes where the money is and the money is not there. >> so we're talking about hillary clinton's tax return, she's trying to get donald trump to release his. if he doesn't and he wins, he will not be under any duty to release them even if he's president, federal law protects income tax returns. they never have to become private, and ford never released his. >> republicans are worried and democrats are ecstatic about what they're seeing in polls, more so what they're not seeing on the ground, donald trump organization and any of the major battleground states. >> i'm sorry. >> he's not there. there's nobody on the ground for him. >> thank you. it's good to have you back. we've missed you, sir. thank you. when we return let me finish with the outlook for this campaign. i'm going to stick around for a few minutes and find out what we think for the weekend.

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let me finish this friday night with the outlook for the campaign, looks to me like donald trump has the core of 30%. these are people who share the angry indictment he's making against the leadership crowd are taking us in. you'll see the republicans as well as the democrats sitting in the cockpit steering in the direction that suits them making trade deals, flooding the country who provide cheap labor

and growing voter block, giving our country the stupid while leaving the fighting, dyeing and suffering to the country's working people. 30% is not enough to win. our presidential candidate polls at that level is des citizentin defeat, but -- but a footnote in the history books like landed in due wee in '48. awe mcgovern in '72. losers with a capital "l" they'll decide the morning they made a huge mistake. what's bringing down trump right now is not the 30% which is holding for him shs b, but the had been recording. that 20% interesting, includes republican that is want to be loyal, independents they'll serve by having two families the bushes and the clintons and successions. and some democrats desperate for something new, ready to take a

risk more than a bit odd from the usual political type. well, it's this 20% that trump has been kissing away by the recent -- this barroom brawl with the gold star family. this claim that the barack obama is the founder of a terrorist group, can trump win these people back? the 20% that gave him a good look and began to look away, can he string together enough good days to make up for the past weeks. can he make us forget about his tendency to make things he don't believe he tends to eventually admit he doesn't either. can he be the donald trump that jumps like an eight-year-old on trampoline. with each new day, each early morning tweet, each aside, each line retracted as sarcasm, trump seems on a march down to the to% that will stick with -- 20% that will stick with him less out of loyalty towards and more towards the elite. since he first came the elevator

of his golden tow we are. that's "hardball" for now, thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts tonight on "all in" -- >> so i said "obama is the founder of isis." the founder. >> trump lets america in on the joke. obviously i'm being sarcastic, but not that sarcastic, to be honest with you. >> serious trouble for republicans in stunning new battleground polls, and why this was the worst week of the campaign for donald trump. >> don't believe the garbage you read. >> plus, hillary clinton releases her taxes. >> you learn very little from tax returns. >> why her opponent is refusing to do the same. >> then the 2016 fever swamps. >> watch her reaction. because it's -- it almost seems seizuresque. >> the alex jonesification of the republican nominee. >> it is surreal to talk about issues here on air and