day and your week with us. i'm frances rivera alongside louis burgdorf. "morning joe" starts right now. >> hillary clinton's america the system stays rigged against sys. convicted of committing crimes get tastay and social security ben ftefits skipping the line. donald trump's america is secure. terrorists and dangerous criminals kept out. the border secure. our families safe. change that makes america safe, again. donald trump for president. >> i'm donald trump and i approve this message. >> in times of crisis, america depends on steady leadership. >> knock the crap out of them, would you? >> clear thinking. >> i know more about isis than the generals do, believe me. >> and calm judgment. >> and you can tell them to go [ bleep ] -- >> because all it takes is one

wrong move. >> i would bomb [ bleep ] out of them. >> just one. okay. that was donald trump's national ad and then hillary clinton's national ad. welcome to "morning joe." with us we have veteran columnist. >> legendary. >> former communication director for president george w. bush nicole wallace. he's already complaining. >> he had a long journey. like really long. >> i'm so sorry. >> in washington, associate editor for "washington post" and msnbc political analyst. eugene robinson. former ted cruz communication director and now msnbc political director. rick tyler. good morning, everyone. good tasee you all. >> what do you think of this? >> i think the latest clinton ad is really strong. it tweaks on every level.

all of his weakness and it's scary of the fighter jet sound at the end. >> when he says we're going to bomb them. and and, nicole, i guess the trump ad, which seems to be focusing more on his base, more on the republican -- maybe that's trying to shore up some of those republican voters that have slipped away, i guess. i don't know. it's strange. >> they are there. >> we're in a general election and that's a primary ad. >> yeah, i don't think he's ever in his own mind become someone who's running in a general election. so, i think it's typical that the first ad reflects his mindset. and his shakeup, if you will, is the kind of adjustment you make as a primary is beginning to wrap up, not as you turn towards the final sprint to general election day. >> but, mike, it really reflects

the article you sent me that we're going to talk about today. that win or lose, trump is changing the republican party. that was an ad that could have been paid for and approved by breitbright. that was an all right ad. >> every day, this is just me personally speaking, increases the level awareness of the tragedy that is this year's national election. presidential election. the darkness of the election. and the fact that i think for a lot of people, a lot of republicans i view this election as, you know, as a referendum on the future of the republican party. we need a strong two-party system in this country. we don't have one right now because of the head of the republican party is a pending, looming disaster. >> well, a democrat who actually, you know, we've talked about this and talked about it this weekend. a democrat whose end game may

not be getting elected to the white house. the end game may be setting up a media umpire that could be, you know, trump tv. >> yep. >> with 40 million followers who believe the election was stolen. possibly with the help of roger els and breitbart. >> certainly looks that way. >> it looks like a media. does donald trump care? does he care about whether kelly ayotte wins? no, he doesn't. does he care if johnson wins? no, he doesn't. >> something they might want to think about. >> would he love to see paul ryan beaten? i think he proved, yes, he would. for republicans for republicans that are upset that i may not be carrying the donald trump flag and waving it, the joke is on you. the joke is on you. he doesn't care about you or me

or party. he certainly doesn't. he cares about, i believe, i personally believe and maybe he proves me wrong, he cares about the media umpire that he sets up after all this is over. maybe if he continues doing what he's done the past three or four days and maybe he proves me wrong. maybe he is in it to win it. >> i don't know about that. the larger question in terms of this candidate caring about things, does he care about the country? because this continued talk about a rigged election and his surrogates continually going on television talking about how ill hillary clinton is. >> you could say that about people who have been on primetime cable news for 20 years now. do they care about america? i won't say his name, but when certain people said that george bush was a fascist and a nazi and every single mind hammering every single might hate speech, no, it was a business model that he used. it's a business model to people

on the far right that go and say barack obama is this and that. do they care about it? they don't care about america, they care about their niche. here's donald trump and it seems that he is talk radio has found its way into presidential campaign right now. and will it help him win the general? no. will it help him start possibly a media dollar media empire? it could. the joke is on the republicans, nicole, who think you have to stand behind this guy and throw yourself from the tracks and support him or else you're not a good republican. the joke is on them. he doesn't care about them. >> here's the other thing. are we so stupid as to think that either everything he said for the last year was a lie or everything he is about to say for the next eight weeks is a lie. i'm all for candidates evolving. it happens. this president and hillary

clinton and people evolve. they change their positions. but the news yesterday from kellyanne that the immigration policy that trump is for is tbd. should he evolve on that issue, you have to either accept that everything he said for the last 13 months was a lie or everything he's about to say is a lie. should he evolve on some of these sort of cornerstones of his candidacy. >> you do hope he evolves, though. >> i'm sort of past hope. >> i hope that the republican nominee going into the fall election would not support mass deportation by gunpoint. would not support a muslim ban. >> my point is, which is the truth? which does he believe? >> i could ask the same thing about hillary clinton? is she for tp -- can i answer? hillary clinton was for tpp and now she's against it and she's

going to get elected and be for tpp. i can name, i can name 100 issues. >> i'm just saying where he is is that he's trying to now make some adjustments. they have to, you have to suspend belief in everything he's uttered if we're to accept now he's going to be -- >> that's advice to hillary clinton, as well. >> not unpopular nominees in history. >> if i had to vote, i would vote for the republican nominee in the general election not being for the ban of muslims or mass deportation by gunpoint. so, if he evolves on these policy issues, i see that as a good thing. i think republicans should encourage that. that's the only point i'm making. >> i agree. but it's an interesting adjustment to make eight weeks out. after you defeated 16 people holding those other views. >> i totally agree.

struggling in the polls with minority voters, donald trump crisscrossed making an appeal to african-american voters over the course of several speeches. he's polling in single digits in key swing states, he tried to grab the party of lincoln. >> i would like to address an issue of great and very deep personal importance to me. >> no group in america has been more harmed by hillary clinton's policies than african-americans. if hillary clinton's goal was to inflict pain on the african-american community, she could not have done a better job. >> we reject the bigotry of hillary clinton, who sees people of color only as votes. not as human beings worthy of a better future.

>> hillary clinton would rather provide a job to a refugee from overseas than to give that job to unemployed african-american youth in cities like detroit who have become refugees in their own country. >> what do you have to lose? you're living in poverty, your schools are no good, you have no jobs. 58% of your youth is unemployed. what the hell do you have to lose? >> i thought he was doing better. never mind. >> well -- >> no. >> the last, that last clip that i saw, obviously, was condescending. reminded me of what ross perot did in 1992 when he spoke to naacp and he said you people, you people. the mass, you know, the generalization is offensive. i think the attempt to instead of just speaking to white,

angry, primary voters, i think the attempt is a positive. i think it's a positive attempt. no, i think it is important that republicans across the country start talking to all voters. and, again, i'm not sitting here defending what he said. i've been the harshest critic of what he said before. i am just saying better late than never. gene robinson, obviously, would you rather him continue speaking directly to the community and talk about how foreigners and black people commit crimes? >> well, it seems obviously to me, joe. he wasn't speaking to african-americans. you know, your lives are miserable. you live in hell. what do you have to lose? that is not the way to appeal to

anybody. >> gene y said that. i said that. i said the generalization is offensive. i said that. let's be really clear about that. >> you also pointed out that he wasn't speaking to any african-americans. he had been invited to speak to the naacp and urban league and the national association of black journalists and he declined them all. he won't talk to black audiences. so, it clearly, what he's talking to white voters, he's talking to white voters in the suburbs of philadelphia and washington, d.c., and he's trying to say, look, i care about african-americans, too, in my own totally, inappropriate and condescending way. i'm not a racist and therefore you can vote for me. that's what he's trying to do. listen, i just can't construe this as a genuine effort to speak to concerns of african-americans, especially since you used totally bogus figures. 58% of youth unemployed. if you calculated white youth

unemployment in the same way, you'd come up with 49%. it's just totally bogus. >> we played a series of clips and it may be totally bogus. i said the last one where he talked in mass genrasties was offensive. the one you are referencing. anything he said in those prior clips that were not offensive to you? is there an attempt? can donald trump despite saying all the things we have found offensive for the past year and two months, can donald trump go to audiences, primarily black audiences and deliver a message that you would find acceptable or heartfelt? i guess the question is, the question is, what does he do moving forward or does he just go talk to white people about the campaign about how the others destroyed america. i'm serious. if you're talking to kellyanne

conway and she's listening, what would you tell her to do? he's polling at 1% or 2% among african-americans. >> i understand. >> he's not going to get african-american votes. >> i understand. >> during, for the -- during the last 13 months, he has, he has frankly been offensive to all sorts of minority groups. >> you're telling us all things that we know. the question is, moving forward, what does he do? >> look, the list is too long. there's nothing he can do. >> give me the top, name the one thing you would tell kellyanne conway. for republicans like myself and nicole who are, are beyond disappointed at what our republican party has become, we would like our nominee as imperfect as he is to end on a higher note.

get out of the gutter. what can he do on racial issues over the next three months? >> clearly, renounce the support of the likes of david duke, the likes of the racist altright and say i don't want those people support. >> that would be a good start. >> that would be a good start. >> do you have saekd thing he could do? >> the second thing he could do, he could actually talk to black people. he could try it. >> i got one. he could hire some -- >> wait, she has a third. >> he could hire some people of diversity. i mean, he has, if he has anyone, i'm not aware of it. he's not being advised by a particularly diverse staff. we found our three. we're going tahave four. number one, denounce david duke support and the support of white supremacist and the crowd, number two was go actually speak

to predominantly black audiences. number three was -- >> hire more diverse staff. >> because he has a real level of comfort with staying home every night. he flies back to new york every single night. he could walk 65 blocks north of where he lives on fifth avenue into the heart of harlem, take off the jacket that he always wears, the hat that he always wears and spend a day walking around with actual human beings, african-american human beings talking to them about their lives. how about that. >> we found our four. we have an action list. i love having -- >> that's not even seven. >> four action items. >> joe, i think we're beyond action items. i think we're beyond trying to make this mask stay on his face. i'm serious about that. bigger picture. this is about your, your, rick, republican party. the question is, wouldn't it be better for the party to call it a day and start all over again

in this real world in a real way than to stick by this wizard who is not even a republican and further go down the road of being a completely out of touch party. >> if i have a choice between a general election being run using racial animosity and hate speech and coded speech versus a republican candidate who has been extraordinarily flawed on racial issues, who is actually putting that behind him and spending the last three months -- >> that's the problem with the party. >> going into -- >> they don't mean it is the problem. >> so, you would rather him just continue what he's been doing the last year? no. >> i think the question is, i'll ask rick and nicole. isn't the question for republican leaders and the question about the party itself and its future. isn't it better to start over and not stand by someone who clearly cannot, cannot, cannot

do it. >> i'm not talking about standing by. this is not even about support, mika. this is about what does he say over the next three months on the campaign trail? >> even if he says it, rick, is this somebody that republican party leaders like paul ryan and everybody else should really be putting their money on at a time when the party itself seems to be collapsing? >> well, in a sense, it's a real shame. you could list more things. black entertainment television and go on to reach the african-american community. none of it from a crass political point of view, it's all pointless. there is no percentage of the african-american vote that donald trump can win that is going to bring him victory over hillary clinton. there is no percentage in the hispanic community that he can win that will bring him victory. those are just cold, hard, numbered facts. >> he drives the party down further. >> probably. but the thing is, if he, all of this talk lately, you know, i

regret sort of an apologyafrica. those are really directed at republicans who don't like the fact that they may be nominating someone who talks, that people don't like in term s that he might be racist. they don't want to vote for somebody like that. he has kind of given them a pass to say, no, it's okay. i'm really not like that. this is an appeal to aphroken americ and it's also highlights the problem in the african-american community because, look, in the african-american communities that are poor and don't have failing schools, part of the nut of his argument is correct. it's just poorly exkiecuted and african-americans don't have someone to vote for. the republican party ignores them. so, it's pretty amazing how bad it is for them. >> this really goes to gene

robinson. george w. bush would always campaign aggressively in the black community and he also, obviously, did extraordinarily well with hispanics by republican standards. but a lot of that strategy people said when he went in the black community, which i think he cared generally for, but that did send a message to the suburbs of philadelphia and columbus that he wasn't a hard right wing republican. it was a compassionate conservatism and i do wonder if that is the page that kellyanne conway and others are trying to tear out of the bush playbook. >> i think it has to be. if they're going to do this with any sort of tread of credibility, which i think is frankly beyond them. at least learn something about the black community. learn something about the economic and cultural and social diversity of the black community. it's 40 million people.

it's not a monolith. jee, we're not all poor and we don't all live in hellish inner cities. but, again, as if i'm speaking to a reasonable person with a reasonable campaign and i'm not. >> and if i could just say it, for bush, it wasn't about a page in a political playbook. how he had governed and lived his life and every policy. i mean, i listen to trump and it reminded me of bush's education policy which is to campaign against the soft bigotry of low expectations. everything from education policy to education and rehabilitation in prisons to keeping families together to health care. i mean, everything was with all communities in mind. so, bush didn't wake up one day and decide to be more appealing and acceptable to suburban women. he campaigned for president and governed as governor of texas with these communities in mind. i think the comparison. i understand where you're going, but i think they're two

fundamentally different people. bush was repealed. we didn't call it, but he was repulsed and repelled by what we now term. still ahead on "morning joe" donald trump surrogates go there questioning hillary clinton's former health. plus, secretary of state colin powell is not pleased with clinton using his name in his use to a personal e-mail server. his quote, her people have been trying to pin it on me. first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> good monday morning. yesterday in phoenix, what a scene. a dust storm of epic magnitude delayed airports for 45 minutes and look at that, looks like something out of a movie as it swept over the top of downtown phoenix. let's show you the tropics. we're heading to the trop of the season. flash flooding doesn't look like much of an issue. three different systems. this one has my interest and as of now it hasn't developed and conditions look for anything to develop favorable and we'll watch it eventually taking a

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>> let's talk about e-mails. it just came out, secretary powell, secretary rice's closest aides used private e-mail. everybody knew that. now we know colin powell had a private e-mail accounts to aides to condi rice. as you know just recently colin powell's e-mails were retroactively classified for more than ten years ago.

as he said, that was an absurdity. i asked and i echo colin powell on this. release it. once the american people see it, they will know how absurd this is. colin powell and i are exactly on the same page. no. every time she did that, i was going to say. don't do that. colin powell doesn't like to get out. he likes to sit back, work on his cars. >> and be colin powell. >> be colin powell. so, every time she would say th that. the "washington post" gave three pinocchios. it is not even close. she forces him to put down his tools, stop fixing his cars and push back on reports that he advised hillary clinton to use private e-mail. nbc news had been told that what

clinton told the fbi largely based on a memo powell e-mailed her describing how he used his personal aol account and the state department system for classified material. but, colin powell says, no. and he tells "people" magazine. her people have been trying to pin this on me. the fruth is, she was using the private e-mail server for a year before i sent her a memo telling her what i did. >> the article goes on. why does the former diplomat believe this to be the case? why do you think, he said. it doesn't bother me, but it's okay. i'm free. the report -- that's really, what is the word there? the reporting on the advice first came from "new york times" sourcing her fbi conversations ended up becoming a book by joe conson. among former secretaries of state at a dinner party hosted by madeline albright where powell also suggested clinton use personal e-mail.

pole told nbc news, he had no recollection of that conversation. >> let's break this down. as it has been reported. a lot of differences how they used personal e-mail. for one, clinton never used private e-mail server. that's what the "washington post" pointed out was the biggest difference. the state department did not have comparable, unclassified systems. he used personal e-mails for only unclassified information. he used an office desktop for all classified communication. and, of course, we should note that two e-mails on his account were later marked classified, though powell disputes their sensitivity. mike, there's no comparison and everybody has known there has been no comparison. for a long time, forget the rags that were put in place in 2009 and then even more in 2011. it's painful. they just need to stop this. >> the biggest distinction and

the only distinction and the most important distinction is that general powell, secretary powell never had his own, personal server. that is the biggest difference. if you would send colin powell an e-mail when he was secretary of state, he'd get a personal e-mail back having nuthing to do with classification, nothing. and general powell, secretary of state powell has now been twice burned publicly. once by dick cheney, the vice president, vice president cheney's office before he spoke to the u.n. that's one time and now this over a number of years. no wonder he's angry. >> you look at these different places where he used different types of e-mails. it shows he cared what he was e-mailing. and this was actually an issue back then. that was considered to be very important as to who you're e-mailing from where and -- >> do you think secretary of state colin powell was sending out on his personal e-mail

account classified information prior to the invasion of iraq? >> it sounds like he was very careful not to. like on every level. >> of course not. also, the system changed so radically between the time powell was secretary of state and hillary clinton was secretary of state that he used his personal e-mail for unclassified information that was not sensitive. just for purposes of speed and purposes of convenience and, again, again, he -- >> she didn't have an official work e-mail. she didn't do any business. >> there lies the biggest problem. what hillary clinton twas to force anyone who didn't want to communicate with her and take it from the classified e-mail server and then break it down. break that information down on an unsecured and then send it in. it's unbelievable. >> the chappaqua server. >> gene robinson, they should probably just let colin powell work on his cars and stop trying. i wonder whether, did bill

clinton bring him up, too, last week? is that what finally dragged colin powell in from the cold? >> it may have been. i would certainly advise him to stop talking about secretary powell. because of the difference that mike barnicle highlighted. you can, you can, you can talk around the edges and about all the other stuff, but in the end, a private e-mail server is different from an aol account or google account and it's just different. >> gene, what is the likelihood -- >> want to make it the same is never going to work. >> the russians if they've been able to hack into the dnc were able to hack into a home brewed e-mail server in chappaqua and what is the likelihood we'll find that out in october? >> well, we'll see. i mean, they obviously had the wherewithal. secretary comee said there was no evidence that they hack under to the clinton e-mail server and

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>> i think he's had a great week. had a great message.

shown maturity. i think he's getting into a groove. i think he likes the new style that he's been out on the campaign trail producing and speaking of. so, i think he's done great. >> everything's awesome. >> everything's awesome. >> this is the part i don't understand. you just have to look at this as an opportunity, right? you can't pretend this is okay. >> well, what his job is to make sure that donald doesn't lose by ten points. if he loses by ten points, he loses -- >> i don't know. >> just listen for half a second. and just let me tell you how republicans are thinking. >> okay. >> if you lose by ten points, then you lose the senate and the house. if you lose by two or three points, maybe you hold on to the senate. so, that's -- >> you lose everything else. you lose your soul. >> well, if donald loses, i think they think he thinks

they're going to lose. they would rather just not every other republican in america loses at the same time. if he loses by ten points, the party's over. turn out the lights. >> then you have the same house of cards. okay. open letter by mr. trump by maureen dowd. trump is sorry, trump is humble. trump is scared. trump doesn't want to get crushed. so, if i have offended anyone or if because i have offended everyone, i'm sorry. i'm sorry i realized too late that all the great put downs that helped me put down the 16 dwarfs don't translate well to the general election. i'm sorry i'm causing republicans to lose control of the senate. i'm sorry they wish i had never been born. i'm sorry i have to sacrifice so much to make america great, again. i'm sorry it doesn't matter who runs with my campaign because i have a good brain and i'm very rich. most of all, i'm sorry that i'm

not really sorry. can i add one? i'm sorry i'm a democrat. i'm sorry. >> you're speaking in donald trump? >> yes. >> that's really what tripped him up, to be fair. >> what? that he's a democrat. >> i think we can get past that. >> do you think what you were saying earlier, do you think there is a cut off date among mitch mcconnell and others who are concerned with the win basis in various states. a cutoff date where they say enough is enough and we have to concentrate on the senate and this race and that race and our candidate for president is off the rails and this we're going to focus on. >> i think, rick, you'd know this a lot better than you do. but i think there is a feeling at the rnc that, again, no matter what they do for kelly ayotte in new hampshire or rob portman in ohio or any of the candidates, ron johnson in

wisconsin, if donald trump loses by ten points, it doesn't matter. the tide sweeps them all away and it's all over. >> again, that's absolutely right. it depends on who comes out on election day and if people feel like, if they forget all these other races on the ballot and they make it between donald trump and hillary clinton and they think donald is not going to win so why go vote anyone? that will be dooms day for a lot of republicans, particularly in the states and the congressional districts where it's tied. those previously said there. he sort of talked about this candidate as he graduated from diapers to big boy pants. this is not really, this is not great progress at all. his new tone. i don't understand what the new tone is. i don't want to pivot. i have to be honest with the american people and we see this sort of pivot. is this really who donald trump is? he just doesn't seem tahave a core underlying governing

philosophy and none of his positions on him, look at immigration, where he reversed himself literally over the weekend. what kellyanne conway won't say. we can't have a task force to remove undocumented immigrants to the united states. when she can't even say that, where does this candidate stand? >> i think this can all be explained by the fact that fear and loathing is stalking the land. and if you are a republican, you are afraid that donald trump melting down over the next three months means that all republicans lose everywhere. and, so, they are trying. if the bar is low, they're saying, okay, you get over that bar. let's raise it a little bit more, let's raise it a little bit more. it's not about donald trump winning. the rnc at this point, i'm sure they do not believe that donald trump is going to win. it's about keeping the race close enough so that you're not looking at hillary clinton --

>> you think they all internalized that? >> i have no doubt in my mind that they are concerned about him losing big. they need takeo keep it close enough so hillary clinton doesn't become close enough with a filibuster senate. talk about a fear. up next, did iran keep president obama from enforcing his red line in syria? a new book says the u.s. backed off its pledge to strike assad after tehran privately threatened to torpedo the nuclear deal. we'll talk to the author next on "morning joe." ♪ using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the framework... wire... and plants needed to give my shop... a face... no one will forget. see what the power of points can do for your business.

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many months ago. there wasn't a secret. we announced them. to all of you. josh did a briefing on them. this wasn't some nefarious deal and it wasn't a secret. we were completely open with everybody about it and it's interesting to me how suddenly this became a story, again. that's point number one. point number two. we do not pay ransom for hostages. >> first of all, this was iran's money. it was money that they were going to get back anyway. the second thing that was going on here, joe. there was a team working to get our american citizens back. that was a separate track. and it's true that with the nuclear deal done, these two tracks were kind of converging and coming together and we took full advantage of that and we make no apologies for that. we were worried in the final hours here, they were somehow going to pull a fast one. we did use it as leverage and we make no apologies about that because now we got our american

citizens back safely. >> it was a quid pro quo. the president was very condescending to the washington press corps saying how dare you suggest it's a quid pro quo and we find out a couple months later it was a quid pro quo. >> joining us now, foreign affairs correspondent for "wall street journal" jay solomon "the iran war, spy games and secret deals that reshape the middle east" is out tomorrow. he writes in a new piece for "the journal" entitled why the ayatollah thinks he won. u.s. officials have always cautioned that it would take time for the salu it it, ary effects of ingaugement with iran to take effect they have even conceded that, in the short term, the agreement might energize hard liners opposed to

engagement with the west and that, indeed, seems to be what is happening. iran fund its regional allies all of which are at war with america's partners and the regime continue to test ballistic missiles. the government has also stepped up arrests of opposition leaders and political activists. it is they have been strengthened by the nuclear deal. >> what a lot of people, including "wall street journal" editorial page. disturbing that i'd like you to talk more about. the fact that while the world sat back aghast as assad crossed the red line. we now know why barack obama stepped back while the french were ready to take action. why did the president allow assad to cross the red line? >> i mean, the context of what was happening back in 2013 is interesting because there was

use of chemical weapons in syria. the president said i will strike and then there was kind of a quiet period where he didn't say anything and then reversed himself. but what none of the journalists knew, according myself at the time, that the u.s. was having secret negotiations with iran and that exact period of time is when there was accelerated talks where the u.s. and iran were essentially agreeing on an interim deal to contain iran's program. both u.s. and iranian officials i have talked to said the iranian diplomats we were meeting with essentially said if you start striking the assad regime, the iranian's closest ally. to take him out is almost a threat to the iranian regime because of the way they use the regime to fund hamas and expand its role in the region. if you strike assad, the

revolutionary guards and the supreme leader will pull the plug on these talks. we will not negotiate if our closest ally is being strike. there is not one reason the white house pulled the plug, but domestic political concerns and the nuclear agreement really has been the white house. the obama white house's number one foreign policy agenda and they were not going to put that at risk. >> nicole wallace here. talk about what the strengthest iran talk about the ripple effect in the region and reaction from the saudis and any sort of realignment against alliances against iran because of it. >> the book goes back further. both the bush administration of the overthrow and obama administration gave some pretty good assists to iran to expand their role in the region. i think now you do have this real nasty sunni/shia war

whether it's in syria or whether it's in iraq or whether it's in yemen it has metastasized into a regional conflict where the saudis and their proxies are basically fighting the iranians and their proxies and the americans are somehow trying to get in the middle of it or at least moderate. i think the fact that the u.s. cut the agreement with iranians really behind the back in a lot of ways of the israelis and the usairb allies has created, you know, real tension in this relationship. that's why you see the saudis going into yemen, even though the americans are telling them, that's a horrible move. it's causing human right catastrophe. but the saudis see everything now as the iranians being emboldened and spreading their influence in the region and they don't trust the united states to play that role of countering iran any more. >> you broke the story about the $400 million payment to iran coinciding with the release of

the prisoners. what do you make of the president's contention that this was known and this was a separate track and the state department saying this was iran's money anyway. you're making something that doesn't exist. >> well, i think, you know, it's true back in january they announced a $1.7 billion settlement with the iranians. we reported it. everyone did. but we didn't know, i had no idea how this transactions was made. my initial assumption it was paid through some escrow account in the hague and the iranians with central bank. central bank would finally get their hands on it. that was very different than finding out we basically allowed the iranians to take $400 million in cash and this deal was sequenced to the release of the americans. it's just a very different transaction and story when you see it in this different light. the story that the money was irans and so many claims and

counterclaims and how it is decided, that money is iranians and they get it back. all these claims the americans have don't. it's a bit more complicated than that. >> very complicated. the book is the iran wars, jay solomon, thank you very much. >> thank you xhnchlthsing up that top of the hour, is there a perjury case to be made against hillary clinton? we'll talk to congressman jason chaffetz who is leading the post for the new investigation. but, first, "washington post" robert costa and the "washington examiners" kristen soltis anderson. cleaning deep between teeth. hear the difference? get healthier gums in just 2 weeks vs a manual toothbrush and experience an amazing feel of clean. innovation and you. philips sonicare. save now when you buy philips sonicare.

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america poorer. you're going to lose your jobs, you're going to lose your wages, you're going to lose your medical. obama care is a catastrophe. you're going to lose everything. hillary clinton supports every last job killing obama regulation and wants to go much, much further. the farms will be closed. she wants to put the farmers out of business, just like she wants to put the miners and steel workers out of business. we're not going to let it happen. you're going to lose everything. >> welcome back to "morning joe" everybody. >> it's good to be back.

>> that was sort of a morning in america speech. everything. >> and it screamed at them. the mines will be closed. locusts. >> hillary clinton speech. let me just say, he belts it out like, honestly, like he's had a lot to drink. he does. >> who, donald? >> what do you mean? he doesn't drink. >> we should go there. >> his delivery is very -- >> it's awful. i never heard anyone say anything. >> everyone talks about her and, why? why? because she's a woman and we need to address how a woman who has to be polite or something. that is the most impolite delivery i've ever seen. whatever. whatever the party wants. >> you had a lot to think about. >> the weekend. >> i have. i thought i saw him, well, i think i saw him in north carolina when i got back from maine. not the south of france.

and oh, my gosh. llyanne conway. first of all, she seemed incredibly. i watched her on "hardball." >> she's impressive. >> yes, she is. >> i thought i saw him and a real impact. he's back. he can't change. >> he has a positive message. >> i agree with you. she's impressive and i think she'll have an impact. but i think he'll come bursting through at moments. but i think he'll have more. >> his delivery is -- >> we had that fight, joe. >> all right. mike barnicle is here. former communication director for george w. bush and nicolle wallace and eugene robisonson and joining the conversation, columnist kristen saltis anderson and miller reporter for "washington post" and msnbc political analyst robert costa. good to have you all onboard. fresh off a shakeup at the top of his campaign, donald trump

spent the weekend with his new team he and kellyanne conway and steve bannon attended a roundtable in new york and a key figure at the rnc will take on an increased role at trump tower but their campaign has far to go with weeks remaining until the general election. a "new york times" story describes the campaign as bare bones, leaning on the republican party to get out of the vote, handle digital outreach and raise money for them. the paper reports that in july alone, clinton spent about $3 million on 700 staffers around the u.s. a trump campaign source says trump had fewer than 200 total. and that field effort will rely heavily on about 500 rnc staffs in about 11 swing states. robert costa you write in "washington post" trumpism may be here to stay. the latest shakeup in donald trump's presidential campaign has jolted the republican

establishment out of denial to a new realization. whatever happens to their nominee in november, trumpism may well endure as a source of ferment in their party. ed rollins who managed ronald reagan's 1984 campaign and strategist for a pro-trump superpac said the republican party became the chamber of commerce party and lost its appeal. no longer the party of small businesses. it was for wall street and big business. these debates on trade are because of that shift more than because of trump. many in the party hierarchy have resigned them selves to a trump defeat in the fall and already focusing on what comes after it. at a minimum, it appears that the internal battle is between gop traditionalests and insurgents such as free trade and immigration. >> bob costa, the majority of the republican party on the congressional level has always been the appeal to small

business owners, the appeal to people in local communities. actually, the appeal to the chamber of commerce in local communities. what ed rollins is talking about, though, is a chamber of commerce in washington, d.c., and the emphasis on big trade deals and the other sort of things that a lot of rank and file republicans believe have cost america jobs. >> that's right, joe. >> how do they bring those two sides together? >> well, so much of this could be traced back to george w. bush's presidency. the frustration over the bailouts of 2008. this idea among the republican base voters that the party elite, the establishment was not really working in their interest and that fueled the tea party and in some ways fueled donald trump. what we thought for a long time maybe trumpism is populism that is rising in the gop and without donald trump at the helm and does that continue? you still think, i still think based on my reporting there are

those forces out there swirling in the gop that are going to remain in a strong way. >> mike? >> robert, sometimes when there's a fracture and the fracture becomes infected, they amputa amputate. is trumpism part of the amputation of the republican party do you think down the road according to your reporting? tell us what your insight is. >> the leadership of congress right now, mike, you have mcconnell and the senate and speaker ryan in the house and these are traditional main stream conservatives that come out of that conservative ideology out of the party. how do they really hold on to that and seize on it or discard it in the months to come? you could have a democratic administration and the ability to do deals. you're going to have to maybe move to the senate or expand the party's appeal. that's going to be the challenge. the party try to integrade or try to distance itself from it. >> "new york times" editorial board writes along these lines,

how can america recover from donald trump? it says in part this. it could be the polls are right and mr. trump will go down in flames. while that will solve an immediate problem, a larger one will remain. trump supportvers been promised a nation where they are locked outside the borders forever. they have been promised inside a new wall new nafactories where everyone will build things and be rich. what will happen when they learn that none of this is real? the challenge to responsible leaders of any political party will be to separate the economic discontent from the bigotry and paranoia that are key to the trump phenomenon. the question to future republican leaders are whether they will even try to do so. that was my question to you, joe. not enjoying asking this, but i really don't see how republican leaders right now can do both

without ruining the party. >> it's leadership and all comes down to a strong leader. >> but you have to say things. >> who is the strong leader? who is willing to say the certain things? you can go back to 1976. gerald ford and ronald reagan. the prediction is that the party was split down the middle for years to come. 1980, ronald reagan united all the sites. he united the populous, he united the small businesses and he united the cold w. >> if you're kelly ayotte, how do you do that? you're struggling to win your next election? >> it's going to require skill. i said this before when i ran in '94, nobody expected me to win. i got the populous and then i quietly went to small business owners and then i went to the chamber and you just go around and you go around and you talk to everybody. you've got, you've got to figure

out how to balance things. right now, there's just a very, you look at donald trump. he's very good at whipping crowds up, but it takes a special skillset for any politician to do what ronald reagan and other politicians have been able to do and that is balance. competing interests. i mean, the problem. that is thessance of being a great leader. being able to balance interest. abraham lincoln did it. we won the civil war because of it. >> that's exactly right, joe. so often we have to look beyond trump in this situation. who is going to navigate this as a republican in the party. what he has brought to the party. you have to look at someone like rob portman in ohio. he has worked on trade deals and been the u.s. trade representative for george w. bush. but he hasn't run against trump and he tried to sound some populous tones and he is trying

to survive in ohio. if rob portman can survive with this strategy and going between the centrist wing of the gop and trump, that could be a playbook some others could look to. >> do you see the candidate that the republican party has right now? if you're watching morning shows and if you're watching our show, all we're doing is talking about donald trump and his failings. all we're doing is talking about how unbelievably flawed he is and there is tons of stuff to talk about on the democratic side. there's no time because the candidate is so flawed. what does he do right now? >> the mistake the republicans have made going back 13 months is they never tried to talk to the trump voter. you're right. we wrap around the axle every morning talking about trump because he gives us so much to work with. the notion that the trump voter should have been sort of thrown out with the bath water. sure, there is some support for him among the alt-right but

americans becoming part of the corrupt system of washington. i don't think republicans can go back to normal. they don't revert back to their pre-trump ways. there is an imperative to look beyond the shiny blond figure head at the top of the republican party to treat him and his supporters with the respect of what they achieve. their political accomplishment was to speak to the republican party that was appalled by the corruption and by the bush era policies of pro trade and what not. >> but, again, so much of this goes. politics and, mike, you know this, but i think most of us do. kristen, politics is so driven by the messenger. the medium is the message. and think about this. if you are a republican that lives in youngstown, ohio. look at who the republican party has nominated over the past eight, nine elections. in 1988, they nominated a vice

president whose father basically helped run the east coast as senator. they did it again in '92. in 2000, they nominated a republican whose father had been president. in 2004 they nominated a republican whose father had been president. in 2008 they nominated a republican whose father basically ran the united states navy. in 2012, they nominated whose father was governor and run an auto company in michigan and now in 2016 they nominate a republican who is supposed to be a great populous but his father gave him $100 million in inheritance and a financial empire. it's not a coincidence that the last guy that was able to reach out in a real and meaningful way went to ueureka college and grew up poor in the midwest. so much has to do with the people we are nominating. >> a lot has to do with the

policies that we put forward or more importantly we don't put forward on the republican side. if you go back and look at some of the policy agendas we had over the last few elections, the point was raised earlier that a lot of the feud within the party goes back to george w. bush's presidency. when your party is winning, a lot of these feuds get pushed down. so, decent over things like immigration. decent over things like trade doesn't blossom out into the forefront in quite the same way when you don't have the white house and the stabilizing force. the challenge facing republicans now is that donald trump, on the one hand, represents big, bold change. blowing up that system. even though he did get that inheritance from his father, certainly a lot of folks that like donald trump because he represents blowing up a system they feel hasn't been working for them for a couple of years, if not decades. a lot of paths to get to donald trump. a lot of folks support them because they're part of the alt-right nationalism that nicolle was talking about. folks like him because they saw

him on a reality tv show and they think he's confident in running a business and then there are folks who really, really like him because of specific individual issues. remember, the exit polls even in the republican primary, donald trump did really well among the plurality of republican voters who supported comprehensive immigration reform. so, his coalition is pieced together of a lot of different groups. and as the gop moves forward and tries to move those folks forward in a youngstown, ohio, those folks oepen to the gop but falling away from them in recent years. i think it means rejecting the pieces of the trump coalition that are these hateful, racist, white nationalist folks but i think it means paying respect to those who are supporting him because they just want to blow up the system. they're not interested in his crazy rhetoric and they wish he would calm down. >> well, gene, when you had

basically have a party who's believed that in the 47% doctrine and who have basically said, hey, you've got a job in youngstown, ohio, the way -- or you don't have a job in youngstown, ohio. the way we're going to get you working, again, is by cutting corporate tax rights. which has been the republican argument. it's just cutting capital gains tax or cutting the inheritance tax. that does not speak to the person who was on an assembly line ten years ago who has been out of work for a better part of a decade. >> no, it really doesn't, as kristen said. the gopy think, needs to look at its policy agenda and needs to not just update it, but to really reexamine its positions on these issues didn't go beyond deregulation and tax cuts, which is still sort of the call of this party and i do take your

point that so much of leadership is the leader and there isn't that leader out there right now. trump is in his own way, but he clearly doesn't speak for the whole republican party. >> gene, can you believe since 1988, for almost 30 years, seven of the eight republican nominees were sons from dynasties of one or another. >> yeah, that goes beyond the reality of our politics right now, which is that more often than not, both candidates for president and most candidates for senate are pretty wealthy. but, it goes beyond that when you talk about the sort of dynastic succession and the fact that you're talking about people who started life on third base. i think it's difficult for a lot of voters to relate to that. >> mike, for people who are disenfranchised and discouraged,

is donald trump representative of them only representative in terms of the fact that they saw him on tv and now if they really listen, what have they got? >> you know, we fall into a trap sometimes talking about trump's followers and they're all alt-right or racist or whatever. when you were listing the names of the nominees over the past two or three decades, it's a bit bigger than that. you're right about all the nominees, part of the tradition, legacy. but it's bigger than that. we're surrounded in this country with millions and millions of people who feel rightly or wrongly. but you have to really talk to them to understand it. that small pieces of their lives have been slowly stolen from them in plain sight over the past three decades while public officials from the president on down through governors and senators have said or done nothing on their behalf. so, you end up with pittsburgh,

youngstown, ohio, pensacola, florida. a huge percentage of people who feel the government does nothing for me other than take. they take my money. i get no bang for my buck. they take a piece of my life. they rob my children of their future and i think it's largely about the children of a huge group of people who feel that the government just does not do anything for them. now, they fear for the children. >> the data is there that kids are not doing as well financially as their parents for the first time in generations. >> well, despite the fact that the government is spending now $4.5 trillion, we've got a $19.5 trillion national debt. and it's only getting worse. and, still, people don't feel like their government is doing enough for them or anything for them other than, like you said, taking their money. >> so, eugene robinson, robert costa, stay with us.

still ahead on "morning joe." a lot to talk about. we'll talk about the clinton foundation and the family's promise to fundamentally change how it operates. >> can i ask you a question? is it just me? or if you really, really want to shake people down is what you say s hey, hey, it's a three-month window. we're going out of business forever. so, if you want to influence us after we're president of the united states, now is the time to do it because after we become president of the united states, it's too late to give us cash. so pay us now and you get the benefits later. >> 20 minutes on donald trump's failings. 20 seconds on hillary clinton. >> it's insulting. it's absolutely insulting that they don't shut down donations right now. because all they're doing this way is they are encouraging more payoffs in the future. >> it's good. >> there is no logic to saying,

i'm sorry there is supposed to be a tease. but no logic in saying, you know what, it was okay to take the money when i was america's top diplomat. right? when i could influence foreign policy. but when i become president, i promise, i'll be better. but i tell you what, if you act now, you got three months to influence me in the future. why would they not stop taking donations today? >> this is one of her last political problems is honesty and trustworthness. this is part of what people don't trust about them. >> this is the biggest invitation. buy us off now. >> advice for hillary clinton. >> it's obvious i'm going to be elected president of the united states. now foreign interests, let the billions pour in. no, they need to cut the money off today. >> midnight labor day, that's it. >> this is a three-month telethon on u.s. foreign policy. >> we'll be right back.

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hillary clinton: i'm hillary clinton and i approve this message. donald trump: if i decide to run for office i will produce my tax returns, absolutely. george stephenopoulos: what is your tax rate? donald trump audio: it's none of your business. nicholas shaxson: the evidence suggests that he pays very, very low taxes indeed and possibly pretty much nothing. george will: perhaps one more reason why we're not seeing his tax returns because he is deeply involved in dealing with russian oligarchs. mitt romney audio: either he's not anywhere near as wealthy as he says he is or there's a bombshell in donald trump's taxes.

24 past the hour donald trump and his surrogates aren't letting up on claims that hillary clinton lacks the the fitness. rudy says you should google it. i could google some things and get anything you want out there. so, that was incredible advice. >> are you kidding me? >> i swear. >> as a public servant he should know. >> he does. >> the garbage that's out there that's not true. >> so, rudy giuliani. so encourage voters to look up online videos while trump this weekend, once again, brought up an issue with clinton's energy. >> she will never be able to fix the isis problem that her policies created. the one thing she doesn't have the strength or the stamina coupled with all of the other problems that this country has.

>> she has an entire media empire that constantly demonizes donald trump. and fails to point out that she hasn't had a press conference in 300 days, i don't know how long. fails to point out several signs of illness by her. what you have to do is go online. >> her campaign and a number of people defending her saying there is nothing factual to the claims about her health and that is speculation at best. >> go online and put in hillary clinton illness and take a look at the videos for yourself. >> he said she doesn't have the strength or the stamina for a very long time. that part is nothing new. what's new are the other reports of the observations of hillary clinton's behavior and mannierisms, specifically with what you just showed in the previous clips and the fact that

she has fallen, she has had a concussion. there's interesting things out there. >> no indication she has fallen. let's just step back for one second. >> okay, so, after that i believe, was that a week ago or whatever? thursday. that's when kellyanne conway went on "hardball" immediately afterward and shut that down. let's talk about the issues. and then giuliani went on yesterday and said google it. >> i think newt shut it down. maybe. >> just so irresponsible. you know what, unbelievable. >> joining us from new york city hallie jackson who is covering the trump campaign. hallie, new fund-raising numbers. how did trump do in july? >> take a look at what came out over the weekend. when you look at the numbers he raised $36 million in july, which isn't a bad figure particularly for his campaign given he had only been doing

fund-raising for the past couple of months. but outpaced by hillary clinton who raised $16 million more than donald trump did. when you look at where he is spending his money. $1.8 million on those make america great hats and the other campaign swag. we found out in july he paid $25,000 even after he was fired. there is also a charge in there for about $350 to meredith macgyver. the name may ring a bell. >> how much? >> writing that rnc speech. here's one other interesting point, guys. look who is not one of the folks donating to any of trump's allied superpacs or pro-gop funds. etalson and so far continued to stay on the sidelines. the republican kingmaker staying hands off for the moment with 80 days left. sort of interesting and

significant when you look at some of the figures that have come out. >> hallie jackson, thank you so much. bob costa, what do those numbers show you? what are you looking at when you dig into the numbers on trump's finances versus hillary's finances? >> what we're witnessing is a campaign that is going to rely heavily on the republican national committee in the final chapter of the general election because organaizationally and financially the trump campaign is a media organization in a sense that it uses media appearances and some paid advertising project his message. >> robert, do you have any sense from your reporting, again, about on the ground operations and expenditures between hillary clinton versus donald trump like in the state of ohio? >> the clinton campaign has more going on in the ground in ohio and trump does have a campaign there. the clinton campaign across the country has more field offices, but the republican national

committee likes to talk about its own organization and grassroots volunteer network. they call that the rnc victory operation and that's really trump's ground game. what is most important i heard over the weekend his golf course in new jersey thinking through how he is going to go after clinton. this goes up to what mika was talking about earlier. how does she change this conversation to more trump to more about secretary clinton. i heard trump was on the phone constantly with steven bannon talking to the clinton foundation and different lines of attack against clinton. that's the kind of thing we'll hear this week as he tries to not only make this change in tone and expression of regret and all of that, but focusing more on certain aspects of the clinton. >> the rnc victory operation, do they have the option of changing the name? >> well, i think that's just what it is called. i think the you have to watch with rnc is because they have such a burden now to work with trump. you see sean going up to work on

messaging. you know spicer is going up because they want to make sure kellyanne conway is on the plane with trump. next to trump on the plane. enables her to do that kind of travel. but the rnc is getting a lot of pressure from people here on capitol hill saying if trump does not pick up in the polls, those funds, that strategy should be directed more towards different kinds of candidates and not towards the nominee. >> robert costa, thank you. >> you have to see a two-front and now three-front war with spicer coming in there. kellyanne conway stays with him and tries to keep him on message and then you have bannon directing sort of the strategy from trump tower while he's out there campaigning. so -- >> we'll see. >> we shall see. coming up the latest on a suicide bombing in turkey that left dozens dead including many children. officials say the attacker was just a child himself. "morning joe" will be right back. brought to you by jaguar,

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at 35 past the hour 51 people are dead and 69 others injured after a child suicide bomber detonated an explosive at a wedding in southeastern turkey near the syrian border on saturday. turkey's president said the bomber was between the age of 12 and 14. reuters reports it happened after a traditional henna party

where wedding guests have their hands and feet painted. the attack comes amid ongoing tensions following last month's failed military coup attempt and vice president joe biden will visit turkey's capital on wednesday to reaffirm the u.s./turkey commitment to fight terrorism. an older brother of 5-year-old syrian boy omran daqneesh has died. stunned and covered in blood and dust went viral. his brother, ali, was also injured following a blast that hit their family's apartment last wednesday. the aleppo media center reports he was 10 years old. a nurse has confirmed that he suffered serious injuries to his face, abdomen and sides and underwent two surgeries. omran suffered head wounds but no further brain injury and has

been released from the hospital. the syrian observatory for human rights says 100 civilian children have died in the civil war just since july 31st. and, mike, we talked about this a good bit last week. it's just the inaction that has taken place in syria and we've seen it on this set when we talked about 20,000 dead. 40,000 dead, 100, 200,000. now some estimates 500,000 people dead. and people keep coming on this set saying there's nothing we can do. there is nothing the international community can do while chaos just spreads from syria across the middle east into europe. it's going to be coming to america. in fact, it may already be here. and we had an author this morning talking about the president backing off, drawing the red line because he wanted to do a deal with iran. we just, we have from inaction,

we have blood on our hands just like we have blood on our hands for our actions in iraq. >> well, threw our inaction we have walked and talked ourselves globally into a situation in syria that is now the fuse of syria entwines nearly all of europe and a huge part of the civilized world. i mean, the pictures that bring people's awareness of what's happening in syria, that's wonderful that it happens that we are aware of it and people fairly badly about it, it's an ongoing occasion that we could have done something about it several years ago. not crossing the red line, us, by walking back. in retrospect was a huge, huge mistake. a huge -- >> a historical mistake that let assad know that he could do whatever he wanted to do to his people and we see it every day. >> and putin. putin is a terrible actor in the region, as well. >> all of them. iran. >> and that's what the president has done.

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42 past the hour. the fbi recently announced it would provide congress with documents related to its investigation of hillary clinton's use of a private e-mail server as secretary of state. joining us now, chairman of the committee on oversight and government reform, republican congressman jason chaffetz of utah. >> do you have "wall street journal" editorial?

we want to talk about the clinton going out of business sale. you can't influence her after she's president, but if you want to give money now to the clinton foundation, get a three-month going out of business sale. >> "wall street journal" say now they tell us after years of claiming that the clinton foundation poses no ethical complex for bill or hillary. bill clinton now admits the truth, sort of. if his wife becomes president he says maskerating as a charity won't accept foreign or corporate contributions. bill will also resign from the foundation board and chelsea will stop raising money for it. now they tell us. if such fund-raising poses a problem when she was president why didn't it when she was secretary of state or while she is running for president? the answer is that it did. and it does. and they know it. but the foundation was too important to their political futures to give it up until the

dynastic couple were headed back to the oval office. is it that simple? >> i guess my question is. if it's an ethical risk after she's president of the united states, why wasn't it an ethical risk when she was running the state department as america's top diplomat? >> it was. it is so obvious. eduh type of moments. and there's so much intermingling here with the foundation. how she got around sydney blumenthol. they just pay him out of the foundation. >> shouldn't they right now say, stop, we're not going to accept any more money from foreign powers if they're sending a signal that will stop three months from now? >> she should have done that when she was a united states senator. wh she should have stepped away from that and so should her husband and her daughter and created a sepragdz and put a

separate board that had no communication. there are easy things to do but they chose not to do those things. >> the fbi just sent you a batch of documents. have you read them? >> a lot of them. not all of them. we have two binders full of information intermingled classified, nonclassified material. i got a couple problems with what we have. one is the highest level of redactions. hillary clinton is out there saying there isn't much sensitive information in there that she didn't trade in sensitive classified information. it is so sensitive and so classified that even i as the chairman don't have the high level of clearance to see what is in those materials. i think the documents are overly classified. we're going to call on the fbi this week to give osversion where there's nonclassified, the unclassified material and the classified material redacted so that that could be out there in the public. i think that's the right thing to do. >> do you agree with comee and the justice department that hillary clinton should not be

indicted? >> i don't come to the same conclusion that the fbi director came to. at the state department you have classified e-mail system and a nonclassified information. how is it that somebody over the course of years, anybody, can take information from a classified system and you don't just forward it. you just don't put it, hey, i'll send it to this account. how do they extract that material and put it on thumb drives. >> just under secretary clinton? >> they made transitions and upgrades all along the way. certainly e-mail is much more prevalent than it was in madeline albright's days. the system is such that we have a major security flaw. that's why we keep looking at it. >> off of what you read and what you know, would you be inclined to endure a perjury -- >> what i'm stunned that the fbi director came before congress and testified and they never looked at the underoath testimony from hillary clinton. are you kidding me? you're doing an investigation about the e-mail scandal and you never look at what she said under oath?

i mean, politicians lie. but when you're under oath, you can't do that. >> how much does it cost the taxpayers thus far? >> we spent 4 trillion as a government. the oversight government reform founded in 1814 has a role to oversee every expenditure and that does cost money. >> are you trying to get this version that you have in the two binders released to the public before the election sph. >> i think they should do it sooner rather than later. under the freedom of information act, it will be released anyone. we're not asking to release anything they wouldn't do otherwise because it's nonclassified material. the other thing that is stunning to me that we found out last night is the fbi gave us one set of documents and then we asked them and they were very nice and kurtio courteous to give us a second set but they're different. a second set of documents that are different. they're different. i don't know why that happened. >> what's the difference? >> we've gone through and new information.

a lot of this that they claimed is classified is just flat out embarrassing. there's nothing classified about it, just embarrassing. >> are you suggesting that the fbi is protecting hillary? >> i'm not suggesting and describing in any way. >> what's your theory? >> here's the full set of documents and then they give a copy by definition that would be the same, they're not. you start turning the page and suddenly there's new documents, new information in there and, so, we're going back to square one. we only had them for days and, still, the second copy is different than the first copy. why is that? >> why is that? what do you think? >> i don't know. but more information. the stuff that we saw in the short time before on the train to come up here to be on the show was that it was just flat out embarrassing. there was nothing classified about it. name calling and things like that. >> who got called names? >> release the information. you see you're going to support me. >> we all support you in

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it's monday, august 22nd. welcome to "morning joe." with us onset we have veteran columnist. msnbc political analyst, eugene robinson and former ted cruz communications director rick tyler. good morning everyone. good to see you all. >> what do you think? >> i think the latest clinton ad is really strong. it tweaks on every level. isn't it scary. that little fighter jet sound at the end. something you want to think about before you vote.

>> well, and nicole, i think the trump ad, which seems to be focusing more on his base, more on the republican side. >> i don't know. >> it is strange in the general election. that's a primary ad. >> yeah, i don't think he is ever in his own mind become someone who is running in a general election. i think it's typical his first ad reflects his first mind set and his shake-up, if you will, is sort of the adjustment you make as the primary is beginning to wrap up not as you turn towards the final sprint towards general election day. >> it could have been paid for.

>> yeah, every day -- this is just me personally speaking, increases the level of tragedy of this year's presidential election, the darkness of the election and the fact that i think for a lot of people, a lot of republicans view this election as, you know, a referendum ton future of the republican party. we need a strong two-party system in this country. we don't have one because of the head of the republican party. it is a pending, looming disaster. >> well, a democrat who actually, you know, we talked about this and talked about it this weekend, the democratic whose end game may be setting up a media empire that could be, you know, trump tv with 40 million followers who vote and

believe the election was stolen possibly with the help of roger ails and bright bart. >> it looks that way. >> does donald trump care about whether kelly wins or whether ron johnson wins or rob portman wins? no. he doesn't. >> something they might want to think about. >> would he love to see paul ryan beaten? yes, i think he would. for republicans that are upset, you know, i may not be carrying the donald trump flag and waving it, the joke is on you. the joke is on you. he doesn't care about you or me. he certainly doesn't. he cares about it. i personally believe it and he cares about the media empire.

maybe if he continues the past three or four days and maybe he proves me wrong. >> and i don't know about that. the larger question, does he care about the country? this continued talk and surrogates continually going on television talking about how ill hillary clinton is. >> and you can say that about people who that have been on prime time cable news. >> i won't say his name but did they say george bush was a fascist and nazi and every single night hammering every single night hate speech. barack obama is this and that. nobody cares about their niche. here is donald trump.

it seems his talk radio has found its way into presidential campaign right now. will it help them win the general? no. will it help him with a billion dollars media empire? it could. the joke is on the republicans who think you have to stand behind this guy and throw yourself from the tracks and support him or else you're not a good republican. >> yeah. >> the joke is on them. he doesn't care about them. >> here is the other thing. are we so stupid as to think that either everything he said for the last year was a lie or everything he is about to say for the next eight weeks is a lie? i am all for candidates evol evolving. >> yeah. >> people evolve. they change their positions. but the news yesterday from kellyanne that the imbramigrati policy that trump will be for,

should he -- you have to accept everything he is about to say is a lie or everything he has said is a lie. should he evolve -- >> you do hope he evolves though? >> i don't know. i am sort of past home. >> the republican nominee going in the fall election, that support mass deportation. >> lon. >> can i answer that? >> now she is against tpp. she will be -- >> i'm just saying where he is is that he is trying to make

adjustments. you have to suspend belief in everything he uttered. >> if i had to vote i would vote for in the general election. it is mass deportation. so if he evolves on these policy issues i think republicans should encourage that. that's the only point i'm making. >> i agree. it is an interesting adjustment to make. >> it is quite an adjustment. >> after you defeated 16 people holding those more extreme views. >> struggling in the polls with minority voters donald trump criss crossed the eastern part of the country making an appeal to african american voters over the course of several speeches.

he once again tried to grab the party of lincoln. >> i will address an issue of great and very deep personal importance to me. >> she could not have a better job. we reject the bigotry of hillary clinton who sees people of color only as votes, not as human beings worthy of a better future. hillary clinton would rather provide a job to a refugee than to give that job to unemployed african american youth.

what do you have to lose? you're living in pofer thevertyf your youth is unemployed. what the held l do you have to lose. >> okay. i thought he was doing better. never mind. no. >> that last clip that i saw obviously was condescending and reminded me of ross perot did. he said you people and you people. the mass, you know, the generalization is offensive. i think the attempt instead of it being angry primary voters.

>> i would just say better late than never. eugene robinson -- >> really? >> would you rather him speak to the community and talk about how foreigners and black people commit crimes? >> it seems obvious to me he wasn't speaking to african americans. your lives are miserable. you live in held. what do you have to lose? that's not the way to appeal to anyone. >> gene, i said that. i said the generalization is offensive. let's be really clear about that. >> he also said he wasn't speaking to any african persons.

he has been invited to speak with the black journalists and he declined them all. he won't talk to black audiences. so it clearly, what he is talking to white vote rs he is talking to white voters in the suburbs of washington d.c. he is trying to say i care about african americans too in my totally inappropriate and condescending way. i'm not a raisist, you should vote for me. >> and it is a totally bogus figure. if you calculated white youth unemployme

unemployment. >> is their an attempt, can donald trump despite saying all of the things we have found offensive for past year and two months, can donald trump look right to audiences to primarily black audiences that you would find acceptable or heartfelt. i guess the question is what does he do moving forward or does he go talk to white people about how the others have destroyed america. i'm serious. if you're talking to kellyanne conway, what would you tell her to do? >> well, what 1% or 2% among african americans.

>> we have frankly been offensive to all sorts of minorities. >>. >> look, one thing to tell her to do, the republicans like myself and nicole who are beyond disappoi disappointed. as imperfect as he is to end on a higher note, get out of the gutter, what can he do on racial issues over the next three months? >> clearly renounce the support of the likes of david duke, the likes of the racist out right.

>> that's a great start. >> that's such a great start. >> do you have a second thing he should do? >> well, a second thing he could do, he could actually talk to black people. >> i got one. he could hire. >> and nicole has a third. >> he could hire some people of diversity. if he has anyone i'm not aware of it. he is not being advised bay particularly diverse staff. >> we will have four. >> denounce david duke support and the support of white supremacists. number two was go actually speak to predominantly black audiences. number three was hire a more diverse staff. what's number four? >> because he has a real level of kofrt staying home every

night he could walk 65 blocks north on fifth avenue, take off the jacket and hat he always wears and spend a day walking around with actual human beings, african american human beings and talking to them about their lives. hillary clinton is starting to so lit fi a lead. collin powell sets the record straight on the advice he gave hillary clinton when she was secretary of state. first, a check on the weather with bill. >> yes. not many of us experienced this. i did it a couple of times in the desert southwest. you get those thunderstorms. they fall apart. the winds spread out and you get dust storms. they are only going maybe about

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secretary powell, everybody knew that. >> we know collin powell had a private e-mail account. as you know, recently collin powell's e-mails were retro actively classified from more than ten years ago. he said that was an absurdity.

i echo collin powell in this, release it. once they see it they will now how absurd it is. >> every time she did that -- >> no. >> don't do that. collin powell doesn't like to get out and -- >> he's like -- >> he likes to sit back and work on his cars -- >> and be collin powell. >> yes. and be left alone. >> don't do that. you'll make him come out. the washington post last week gave her three pinochios. there's really no comparison. she forced him to put down his tools and stop fixing his cars and push back on reports that he advised hillary clinton to use private e-mails. >> yeah. >> what clinton told the fbi seems to have been largely based

on how he used his personally aol account in the state department system for classified material. collin powell says no. he tells people magazine her people have been trying to pin this on me. the truth is she was using the private e-mail server for a year before i sent her a memo telling her what i did. >> the article goes on, why does the former diplomat believe this to be the case? it doesn't bother me but it's okay. i'm free. that's really -- what's the word there? the reporting on the advice first came from the new york times forcing fbi conversations and an upcoming book. it is among former secretaries of state where powell reported clinton use personal e-mail. powell said he had no recollection of that

conversation. >> as it's been reported there are a lot of differences on how they use their personal e-mail. powell never used his own private e-mail server. that was the biggest difference. at the time he became secretary of state they did not have comparable classified systems. he used personal e-mails for only unclassified information. he used an office desktop for all classified communication and of course we should know that two e-mails -- >> okay. this is -- >> they were later marked classified though powell marks their sensitivity. there is no comparison. everybody knows there is no comparison. it is painful. they just need to stop this. >> the biggest and only distinction and most important distinction is secretary powell

never had his own personal server. that's the biggest difference. if you were to send him an e-mail you would get a personal e-mail back having nothing to do with classification, nothing. there was no personal e-mail server. and general powell, secretary of state powell has been twice burned publicly once by dick chen cheney's office before he spoke to the u.n. that's one time. >> no worder he is angry. >> and you look at where he used different types of e-mails. it showed he cared what he was e-mailing. this was actually an issue back then that was considered to be very important as to who your you're e-mailing from where. >> and do you think secretary of state collin powell was sending out classified information prior to the invasion of iraq. >> it sounds like he was careful

not to. >> and the system seemed to radically that he used his personal e-mail for unclassified information that was not sensitive, just for purposes of speed and purposes of convenience. again -- >> and she didn't have an official -- >> well, inlies the biggest problem. it was to take it from the classified e-mail server and break it down, break that information down on an unsecured and then send it in. >> right. they should probably let him work only car cars. did clinton bring him up last

week? is that what dragged collin powell? >> i would advise them to stop talking about secretary powell because of the difference mike barnicle highlighted. in the end a private e-mail server is different from an aol account or google account. it is just difference. >> what is the difference they were able to hack into a home brewed e-mail server? what do you think is likelihood will be. >> they did say there was no evidence they had hack into the clinton e-mail server. they do leave prices when they go into servers. so maybe they didn't, but we'll

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>> people will face ramifications. >> if people believe they are here -- >> they are going back to the game. it will be brought back to that country. that's way it is supposed to be. >> they have to come back legally. deportation force came up. trump is working to court hispanic voters with reports he

may be shifting his undocumented immigrants. >> a serious donald trump. donald trump let everybody know for the past three or four days he is going to be serious. while you were away we actually created something. every time somebody used the word pivot. he promised to be more respectful. >> yeah. >> less child like. >> so everybody somebody said pivot, are we good with this? >> yeah. >> there we go. >> any time somebody siz pivot. >> i don't think we'll be using that much today. >> you can put that away. >> yeah. because some old habits die hard. trump met with his his pas p sp hispanic advisory council. >> did he accuse them of being

rapists. if you say mexicans and hispa c hispanics are rapists and murders, did he say welcome. i think you all are rapists and murders did he do that? >> if he did that how do you do that? thank you for being with me. i said a lot of hispanics are raip ra raip ra rapists and murders. >> either everything he said over the last year was a lie and he doesn't believe it or everything he is about to tell us is a lie. >> i'm wondering how many people he accused of being rapists. >> you can't unsay things like that. >> you can evolve but to start -- >> calling them rapists. >> saying they don't send their best, they send us their rapists and murders.

to win the primary by promising to build a wall and by dragging ted cruz and others being for the mass deportations, the whole primary. >> and they reported trump is planning reverse course. he is so good at reversing. trump's campaign disputed that report because some times they can't figure out what the hell they are doing from one minute to the next. it is over the candidates immigration plan if that's what you want to call it! what he supports is to make sure we enforce the law, that we are respectful for americans looking for well paying jobs and we are fair and humane for those who live among us in the country. as the weeks unfold he will lay out the specifics of that plan.

>> will that plan include a deportation force, the kind that he just -- you just heard in that sound bite and that he talked about during the republican primaries? >> to be determined. >> they are not really sure. that's a question you asked, whether he will have it. >> they have to figure out whether he will lie in the future or lie in the past. these things are so hard to keep up with when you change every 30 seconds. joining us from dallas we have the manager of deportation force. and elise jordan joins us and phillip is here. >> javier, how are you feeling about the pivot? >> you can't unring the bell with the hispanic community.

donald trump began his political career by denounce upping h hispanics all over the country. this is a very desperate candidate. no speech is going to change that now. >> speaking of speeches now, you said his attempt to black americans could not have been more condescending or pathetic. explain. >> i used the word pathetic. >> what did you use? >> i used worst possible. to come out of the gates and imply that african americans suffer from 58% unemployment rate, that they all live in the inner city, they are all looking for work. >> what do you mean? are you saying he actually said something that's not true? >> yes. yes. as it turns out that includes things like high school students which shouldn't be included in those numbers. >> babies. babies are unemployed.

>> he was trying to reach out to him. we bring republicans which is why poll numbers are downright now trying to get them back in line. >> try to ing to prove he is noe racist that he played in the republican campaign, right? >> right. oh, he just made a few offhand comments. he can't reverse it. he has had so much nastiness. he can't stop and won't stop. >> hispanics today it is classic racism. there is nothing else.

>> he is getting 1%. >> i am the guy for you. he says by 2020 he will have 95% of the african american support. why are you laughing? >> that is donald trump. >> basically his own running mate saying he is crazy and lying. >> javier, if you're a hispanic voter in america and you were promised a lot with barack obama in 2008 and then you actually

have deportations at an all time high, what are you thinking going into 2016? you are obviously not going to vote for donald trump but are you going to get much better than hillary clinton? >> i think we are. what you need to remember about hillary clinton unlike barack obama, hillary has more than four decades of working with america's hispanic community. as a young woman she was in south texas registering people, hispanics to go out and vote. throughout her career she is engaged with the hispanic community. her campaign has great talent inside the camp. during her campaigning the last year at every turn whether in nevada, california, texas, florida she was reaching out to me and my association and asking what hispanic businessman or woman do i need to have.

i have seen an engagement from her that i have never seen from anyone else. i believe she understand them better than donald trump. >> and it sounds like you think better than barack obama. >> i would say so. by the way, from a business perspective hillary is the daughter of a small business owner. when he held the presidential q and a series, when we hosted everything from donald but we hosted bush and bernie, hillary, she was the one that said i want to be america's first small business president. she understands the challenges and that's why we are behind her. >> we have to be fair here. you have listed off the names of hispanics that work in hillary clinton's campaign. i want to write down this is clinton. i want to write down there are a

couple of them that i know. >> i don't envoy they their pos. >> they are not even in the circle. >> what is your position you sympathize with? >> they are try to go do the best they can to moderate to some sense of normality. >> how is that working for them? >> hillary is going to mop the floor with donald trump. that's the reality. >> all right. let me ask you, what do we make of donald trump? there was a lot of talk over the past three or four days. maybe donald trump is going to shift gears. how is that working? >> if he is really making con sered effort the republican efforts have been solved. >> he is attacking cable news.

>> while hillary clinton is targeting, spending $80 million, starting today spending $80 million with ads targeting swing states donald trump is obsessing over cable news hosts. >> and spending only 5 million himself. >> what sort of message does that send to rob port man and other republicans who are fighting for their lives to win the senate? >> it is a great question. i mean i'm not going to be able to answer is question of why he is doing what he is doing! he can't help himself, that's why. >> all right. >> phillip, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> stay with us. >> hope you'll come back. still ahead, treacherous waters for president obama's landmark trade deal. he faces opposition in his own party. we are back in just a moment with that.

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i have to make an announce. . >> hold on. >> but george, who i always talk about, george, huge trump fan, george is now a grandfather. his daughter emily had a baby. she is so beautiful. >> let me see. >> look at that. >> oh, she is so gorgeous. >> she is perfect. she has a round little face. oh, my gosh. >> she is gorgeous. >> that is so exciting. >> congratulations. george, to someone who is

equally -- >> brian, it looks like president obama will have to make one last push on the partnership and he will have to do it while hillary clinton is fighting, they will move emily's. i need a name for the baby. >> take it. >> come on, let us know. >> i love it. i can't compete with a beautiful baby. congratulations to george or the birth of the grandfather. even barons saying basically trade is good for everybody and both candidates have it wrong. the president trying to save the trans-pacific partnership, all 5,500 pages of it will be going to asia to try to trade obviously is a big thing.

don't forget about the great land to the north. that's all you need to know. by the way, based on your previous conversation there are 19.7 afran americans in the united states. 18 million working for an unemployment rate of 8.9% according to the bureau of labor statistics. >> maybe donald trump was talking about babies and pets and i don't know. maybe it was the snl skit with -- >> okay. >> you can wget it down to certain areas. the national unemployment rate is 8.9%. >> so it is caroline grace

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hillary clinton: i'm hillary clinton and i approve this message. donald trump: if i decide to run for office i will produce my tax returns, absolutely. george stephenopoulos: what is your tax rate? donald trump audio: it's none of your business. nicholas shaxson: the evidence suggests that he pays very, very low taxes indeed and possibly pretty much nothing. george will: perhaps one more reason why we're not seeing his tax returns because he is deeply involved in dealing with russian oligarchs. mitt romney audio: either he's not anywhere near as wealthy as he says he is or there's a bombshell in donald trump's taxes. ssoon, she'll be binge-studying. now she writes mostly in emoji. soon, she'll type the best essays in the entire 8th grade. today, the only spanish words he knows are burrito and enchilada. soon, he'll take notes en espanol. get back to great with the right gear. from the place with the experts. office depot officemax. gear up for school. gear up for great.

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>> so he will be traveling to the states for his up for grabs -- does he want to grab people along the way? does that mean he is grabbing people? she kicking off a three day trip across the state's critical i-4 corridor. do you have the gloves on? >> we are very concerned. >> you either go all in, right and you just grab that guy on the motorcycle or you put your hands to the side and you look so uncomfortable. >> you're giving it away. you're giving it away. we're supposed to build to that moment. >> yeah, kind of freaked me out. >> it went red, red -- no. don't get freaked out. it went red, red, bush, bush and obama, obama. he is pushing and i met up here

in the historic area with a group of firefighters, military folks, veterans to see why they are all in for trump. take a look. >> so these are all of your bikes here? >> uh-huh. >> you cool taking me for a ride? >> yeah. normally i wouldn't take a guy for a ride. >> how many people here are voting for donald trump? anybody voting for hillary clinton? would you allow somebody to join you on a thursday morning that f they are voting for hillary clinton? >> i could probably tell you a thousand people that all feel the same thing. hillary is corrupt. i'm a single dad and a supreme court justices for the next election are going to be our childrens live lives. >> donald trump is playing the second amendment. is that speaking to you? >> absolutely.

that's one of the things i do. i teach concealed carry. florida in particular is the most saturated for concealed weapons permit. >> who has concealed weapons perm permit? >> you're the most protected you have ever been. >> this is your safe space. what are the issues donald trump is speaking to other than the safest? >> jobs. >> jobs. >> who said border patrol? do you trust he will get it done? >> he will surround himself with the right people that can. >> do you do this with hillary clinton? >> yeah, i would give her a ride. >> donald trump country, huh? >> apparently so. that's what they say i guess. what's the best part about this being a swing state?

>> getting to decide who our next president is going to be. >> fair enough. >> fair enough. ride out. >> ride out, guys. the trust issue is a big thing here in hillsboro county. >> i love jacob. >> look at him. hands across america. >> yeah, grabbing. >> i love him and i love that. those guys are never voting for hillary clinton. what do you think? >> i wonder if jacob and the guy on the bike is still friendly. >> i think he will get his motorcycle license now. >> did you have anything you

want today close with? >> the pivot. we'll see if he is going to pivot or not. it doesn't look like it or not. >> and stephanie picks up the coverage right now. >> thank you. time for my pivot. i'm stephanie. immigration flip-flopped, donald trump and team may reverse course, the mass deportation of undocumented imgranlts. trump speaking out just moments ago. >> so you're not flipflip-flopp? >> no. i'm not flip-flopping. >> what do you to lose? pushing back. collin powell takes a swipe at hillary clinton saying they have been try to go pin her e-mail problems on her for years. this as the trump campaign hammers at an