go immediately -- he went immediately after this happened and talked to billy bush which was a mistake. and the other thing, he didn't apologize for like six or seven days. >> we're out of time. >> yep. >> but thank you so much. >> i think he can come back. >> olympic gold medalist rowdy gaines, thank you. that's going to do it for this hour. "mtp daily" starts now. if it's monday, donald trump is up against a wall. tonight, will trump compromise on his uncompromising immigration position? >> will that plan include a deportation force? >> to be determined. >> plus, hillary clinton off the trail but still under fire over her e-mails and the clinton foundation. >> she's a liar. she lies. she lied abouty to e-mails and colin powell. everything is a scam. >> new warnings about the spread of the zika virus. >> we would not be surprised if we see additional cases,

particularly along the gulf coast states. >> this is "mtp daily," and it starts right now. good evening. happy monday. i'm kristen welker in washington in for chuck todd. welcome to "mtp daily" and what appears to be a political identity crisis for the trump campaign on their defending issue -- defining issue, immigration. we were told trump was going to deliver a major policy address on immigration on thursday. then just moments ago, a campaign official tells nbc news that event has been postponed. no reason was given. this comes after a wild weekend of headlines after trump met with his panic leaders and advisers signaling he might retreat from his hardline approach on immigration. the trump campaign disputes those reports, yet his campaign manager says key aspects of his immigration plan are now tbd. but the candidate himself is pushing back against suggestions

that big changes are brewing. take a listen. >> we have to be very firm. we have to be very, very strong when people come in illegally. >> so you're not flip flopping? >> no, i'm not flip flopping. we want to come up with a really fair but firm answer. it has to be very firm. >> with just 78 days until election day, there's arguably no room for error here as some republicans ratchet up pressure on the rnc to abandon the trump campaign and focus on down ballot races. it cannot be overstated, illegal immigration has been trump's most consistent policy issue. the subject of his first general election tv ad that started airing on friday. it's also been trump's most uncompromising policy issue whether it's sending back millions of undocumented parents of legal children. >> can you just send 5 million people back with no effect on the economy? >> you have to -- you'll have to send people out. look. >> what do you do? >> we're a country of laws. >> or the entire undocumented

population? >> how do you deport 12 million? how do you deport 12 million illegal immigrants? >> you do it because they're here illegally. you do it. we'll have a deportation force. they're going back where they came. if they came from a certain country, they have to be brought back to that country. >> even if it means sending back entire families. >> split up families? deport children? >> no, we're going to keep the families together. we have to keep the families together. >> you'll -- >> they have to go. >> what if they have no place to go. >> we will work with them. they have to go. >> i'm joined by helen, director of hispanic outreach for the rnc. she was inside that big h line generating meeting between trump and hispanic leaders. thanks for being here. really appreciate it. >> thanks for the invitation. i'm delighted to be here. >> so let's just start with the big picture here. which is a lot of people are confused about the trump strategy right now. is he genuinely moving toward a shift on his immigration policy?

and is that aimed at dealing with the issue of immigration, or is it aimed at reaching out to moderate republicans, independents, trying to win back their support? >> well, i think what this is aimed at is the american voters and coming up with proper policy that the obama administration has totally neglected. despite the fact he promised he'd deliver this in his first year in offense. the only promise he made to the hispanic latino community and he lied and didn't do that. what we are looking at is that immigration reform is a very complex issue. and mr. trump is working diligently. when he met with the hispanic advisory council for trump on saturday it was very clear that he wanted to hear from these hispanic advisers what they thought about this issue and what could actually be done that was going to help promote meaningful legislation. and it begins with border security. >> let's talk about specifically what happened in that meeting. and to be clear, by the way, there was an immigration reform

plan that was put before the republican-led house and that failed to pass. so this is something -- >> yes, but there's -- >> but there's -- let's -- >> there's no question that both parties have failed in this regard. but the only -- >> fair enough. so let's talk about what donald trump wants to do. >> president obama made, when he had total control in washington, d.c., he totally reneged on. >> let's talk about -- helen. let's talk about your candidate because he has made immigration reform building a wall, sending 11 million undocumented people back to their country. so what specifically was discussed in this meeting? did he stand by his plans to build a wall n send 11 million people home? >> he never said the word deportation and never used the word legalization. he was there to listen and learn from the hispanic leaders. what they thought was the appropriate way to go. he didn't give any indication one way or another as to what he

would be doing except that he was very engaged. he was very interested. and he was very thoughtful in listening to what they had to say. >> so is he changing his tone, do you think? is he open to changing his policy and potentially not building a wall? not sending 11 million people home? >> he was certainly open to listen to what they had to say. that's the only thing i can tell you affirmatively because he did speak very clearly about religious freedoms and the importance of repealing the johnson amendment. he was very clear about trade and why trade needs to be renegotiated. he's not anti-trade. it need to be renegotiated. there were points he was clear about. when it came to immigration, he wanted to hear, and he did not give an opinion one way or another. and so i think that as he forges his policy, he's working to make meaningful legislation and that he's going to be working with congress in order to be able to provide meaningful legislation.

>> his campaign manager was asked over the weekend if he still planned to have a deportation force. she said kellyanne conway, that was tbd. what is your sense of that specific topic? is he still planning for a deportation force? >> i think what that's telling you is they're working on their policy at this point in time. that its has to be very strong. it has to be very firm. but also notice that it also says it has to be fair and humane. when you look at this, some of the things mr. trump was talking about to the hispanic group is that he totally admired and identified with their sense of work ethic, hard work, sense of faith and sense of family. and those are important issues in this particular area that we talk about immigration. immigration, as you well know, it's very complex. there are a lot of moving parts that are happening at the same time. and so it's -- it takes, you know, if you'll make it fair,

how do you make it fair that, let's say you want to work with those who are undocumented here in the country. how do you make it fair that they get a legal status while those who are doing it legally have to wait eight, nine, ten years are put behind the line. those are not fair to those who are doing it -- and how do you impede others from coming in. >> let me read something you wrote in 2015. providing a mechanism that will allow eligible undocumented immigrants to get on the right side of the law will be a boon for the american economy and help unite the country. it is the right thing to do. you talk about the complexity. i'm wondering if you would be okay with anything that didn't include some type of path to citizenship. any policy that didn't include that. >> i don't think path to citizenship is absolutely necessary by any stretch of the imagination. under president reagan's amnesty plan in 1986, and i don't

envision amnesty at all under donald trump. >> do you see donald trump embracing a path to citizenship? >> i can tell you that hispanics didn't embrace it by more than a majority. only 48% of hispanics who were offered citizenship under reagan took advantage of it. >> is that a no? >> more than half did not. well, what i'm telling you is more than half -- what they want, what i would argue is that they want to be able to stay here, to be able to work and not fear deportation. but they're not necessarily interested in being u.s. citizens. and i think that when you look at this case and you look at this point, i think you have to look at, what is, you know, the total package and how do you deal with the entire thing? you have to secure your border. how do you secure your border? how do you make it safe? is it going to include a wall? it will probably be including a wall. in 2007, hillary clinton voted in favor of a double fence. there's always been a physical barrier that's been used when it comes to immigration

enforcement. >> did he talk about the wall in your meeting? >> he actually said i'm surprised no one has mentioned the wall. and everybody said, well, we take it for granted there's going to be a wall because that's part of border security. >> what's was his reaction to that? >> he braced it because nobody else did. >> what was his reaction? did he say he is in fact committed to that? >> i did not say that. there were other members who said that. and so they -- he just -- he just listened. he didn't respond one way or another. he was very -- he was just very interested in hearing what everybody else had to say. >> and very quickly because i'm getting a wrap. there is a story in the associated press about the subject of minority outreach. and it found examples of racism, talk of religious war. when the ap actually reviewed some of the online exchanges with trump staffers. can you respond to that? what is your reaction and to

what extent does that -- >> you know, i have not seen that at all. i can't respond to something that i haven't seen or i haven't read. >> let me read you a little bit. a graphic designer for trump's advance team approvingly posted a video of a black man eating fried chicken. a trump field organizer declared muslims were speaking to impose sharia law and those who understand -- >> kristen, i haven't -- i go back to tell you, i can't respond to something that i haven't seen, that i haven't read, and until i do so, i can't provide any answer to you. >> fair enough. helen, really appreciate your insights. >> thank you so much for the invitation. i appreciate it as well. >> thanks for joining us. nbc's katy tur is in akron, ohio, where donald trump will be addressing his supporters soon. katy, we were told initially there was going to be a big immigration speech on thursday. now we're told it's not going to happen. what is the latest that you're hearing? does this just mean it's postponed or has it been

canceled? what's your sense? >> the latest is that it's been postponed. also his event on friday in las vegas has been canceled. as of now. unclear why those two events have been canceled or even rescheduled. the campaign is not saying. eric trump this morning did say there would be an immigration speech on thursday in colorado. from the conversation you were just having, donald trump when it comes to immigration, it's not been a complex issue for him. especially when it comes to deportation forces. over the 14 months i've been following this campaign, the idea he's going to get rid of or deport 11 million undocumented immigrants has been one of the main constants in this campaign. one of the only constants. when it was presented as a complex issue to him, his response is more often than not, it doesn't matter. they have to go. that is what's fair. so this idea that the campaign is now trying to say that it's a very complicated issue is a new thing for the campaign. certainly in the past they've been black and white with this. if they do a pivot or make a

general election moderation, that will be noteworthy. as of now, his immigration stance is up in the air, much like every other policy -- major policy he has. the muslim ban, taxes, and even the federal minimum wage. kristen? >> all right. katy tur in ohio, appreciate your reporting as always. i want to bring in tonight's panel. matthew kontinetti, molly ball with the atlantic and chris is a democratic strat ju ii iic stra. thanks for being here. matthew, let me start with you. you heard katy tur say this is a little up in the air right now. we've been trying to really pin down the trump campaign on what specifically he is planning to do on immigration. but this has been the centerpiece of his campaign since the day he announced. what do you make of this strategy? is it about reaching out to moderate republicans and do you expect there's going to be a

real shift here? >> i'm not sure you can describe it as a strategy. i think there's a lot of internal negotiation happening within the trump campaign now because he has a new team, a new set of advisers. he's listening to people outside the circle of the campaign staff even now. and they're telling him conflicting things. the time to roll out policy is during the primary. and that's when donald trump indeed unveiled his key immigration policies. the muslim ban, building the wall and deportation force. if he were going to revise those policies, the time to have done that would have been his convention. that gives you an opportunity to create, you know, what is the romney adviser said in 2012, shake the etch-a-sketch. he's missed that opportunity. you see a scramblie ining in oro create a new trump for the final days of the general election. >> molly, do you see this as a scrambling, and doesn't trump run the risk of alienating his most ardent supporters if he

does in any way move afrway fro his hard-line position on immigration? >> most could not be convinced to move away from trump no matter what happened. i think he's right when he says he could actually shoot someone on fifth avenue and they'd continue to vote for him. as matt said, this is something that's amazing that is still up in the air at this point and does seem it's not the result of any particular strategy or plan. but really just scrambling behind the scenes. a belated recognition that something should be done to reach out to that mass of the electorate that wasn't listening to him during the primary. but that's difficult to do when you've embrace some of the policies he's embraced. so he can get a bunch of people in a room n tell them what they want to hear but that's not going to fix some of the contra dictions or issues with the rhetoric he's putting out there. >> chris, weigh in on that point that molly makes. is this too late to actually

change hearts and minds, if that is the goal here? >> it's clearly a desperate attempt to try to reach out to not just hispanic voters but those remaining moderate swing voters still undecided. we've got 78 days left. you have a very kind of stark political reality of how do you do that where you don't come across completely as it seems that you're flip flopping. even worse, when it comes to the key issue that is defining his race. the nonsensical idea of a deportation force. well if you come out and propose that, you'll alienate your base. at a minimum, you're put on the defensive trying to explain it's not a contradiction. to those hispanic or undecided voters that may be even open to considering that you'll modify your position, they then just shake their heads and say, you see what people have been

telling us about donald trump is exactly correct. i don't see this as anything but a desperate attempt to change the electoral reality he faces. >> as the democratic strategist, are democrats frightened he may be softening his tone? >> the damage has been done. you can't do a 180 on a position with so many few days left in this election. 78 days sounds like a lot. people start cementing their views and opinions and to try to change this position in such a dramatic way, it was right. you should have done this prior to the convention. and now to do it, i don't see how it's done, and you actually went over people that have been suspect of your views and your positions all the way through this election. >> and matthew, i wonder about your take on the timing of this. is it too late? but let me have you weigh in on the fact we're hearing this ramped up rhetoric from surrogates. particularly mayor giuliani, former mayor giuliani who seems

to reinvigorate some of these health conspiracies over the weekend. i'm going to take a listen. >> go online and put down hillary clinton illness. take a look at the videos for yourself. >> i think hillary is tired. she looks sick. >> widely debunked claims, matthew. what do you think the impact is going to be? >> almost zero, nil. i don't think it's going to be an issue in the campaign at all. i don't know why mayor giuliani has decided to raise it. i know donald trump has raised it in the past. of course, he's often raised criticisms of the physical appearance or health or stamina of his opponents during the primary. i can see why trump would introduce it again. it's not going to have any ej t effect on this campaign. >> one of trump's challenges at the root of this immigration discussion is an attempt to reach out to more minority voters, latinos. we're also trying to see him

reach out to african-americans. we're getting this ap story which i just says essentially indications there have been some racist comments made by campaign staffers. in some cases, some violent comments that have been made. what would the impact of that be just as he's trying to turn the page with these critical voters? >> it makes it harder to do any attempt, if there will be an attempt to turn the page. >> i'd disagree in that i do think there are people who won't really engage with this campaign until after labor day. and if you look at polls, you see both candidates substantially under 50% which means in most of the polls which means there are a lot of voters who still feel ambivalent, torn. i've spoken to some of these undecided voters who seem turned off from what they've heard. any of this stuff that reinforces the toxic fever swamp, conspiracy theory, racist stuff that has clung to trump through this campaign which he has made almost no effort to

distance himself from, i think that just complicates any attempt he might make to build bridges with those voters. >> we reached out to the trump campaign about that ap story and have not yet heard back. great insights. matthew, molly and chris, stay with us. coming up, donald trump hammers hillary clinton over the clinton family foundation, while clinton is back on defense as more questions arise over her e-mails. what the latest e-mails reveal about the link between the clinton foundation and the state department. stay tuned. we're back after a quick break. ♪

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clinton's presidential fund-raising numbers are in. donald trump is raising $10 million more in july than he did in june, but hillary clinton continues to outpace him. clinton raised almost $16 million more than trump in july and even though she spent more than twice what he did last month, clinton still holds about a $20 million advantage in cash on hand. this week, clinton is

continuing her fund-raising blitz on the west coast with the help some of celebrities. we'll take you there. that's next. . michael hayden: if he governs consistent with some of the things he said as a candidate, i would be very frightened. gillian turner: he's been talking about the option of using a nuclear weapon against our western european allies. max boot: this is not somebody who should be handed the nuclear codes. charles krauthammer: you have to ask yourself, do i want a person of that temperament controlling the nuclear codes? and as of now, i'd have to say no. [bill o'reilly sighs]

developments surrounding hillary clinton's e-mails. nearly 15,000 additional e-mails from her time at secretary of state were found in an fbi probe. these documents are not new but they were not in the batch previously handed over by clinton's attorneys in response to the lawsuit filed by the conserve can conservative group judicial watch. the state department is now going through the e-mails and says they plan to anticipate releasing the first batch possibly in mid-october. >> we've already committed voluntarily agreed in fact to produce judicial watch any e-mails sent or received by secretary clinton in her official capacity. we still don't have a firm sense

of how many of these 14,900 are new that we haven't seen before. >> this as hillary clinton is getting pushback from former secretary of state colin powell in the role in her decision to use private e-mail. andrea mitchell, host of "andrea mitchell reports" joins me for more on all of these topics. thanks for being here. >> hi there. >> first let's start with this back and forth with colin powell. "people" magazine caught up with the former secretary of state over the weekend and he really cast a cloud on what secretary clinton has been saying. tell us -- break this all down for us. >> he said they've been trying to pin it on him the whole e-mail controversy, the fact that she used a private e-mail, that she testified to the fbi or told the fbi in her interview that the recommendation had come from him. twice. he doesn't recollect once which was reportedly, according to a new book at a dinner party at

madeleine albright's house. he remembers writing a memo that personal e-mails had worked for him on his aol account because they did not have a comparable system for internal e-mails at the state department when he took over. he used all classified e-mails he told us, all classified e-mails were done on a state department desktop. in his office, not on a mobile device, none of those issues and he never suggested anything about her server or even thought about a private server. so he did not have a private server. he's basically saying now to "people" magazine this has been reported and certainly to us in his official statement on friday that it wasn't comparable. and that she couldn't use him as an excuse for what she did. >> to what extent does this underscore the staying power of this story, the clinton campaign has tried to turn the page so many times and yet here it is again in the headlines. >> here it is again. judicial watch releasing new clinton e-mails.

20 separate e-mail exchanges relating to huma abedin and other advisers regarding alleged access from clinton foundation donors. this will continue. and they know it's going to continue. there are going to be more fbi e-mails the state department is now vetting that will be released. and the closer we get to election, the harder it is for her to get away from this shadow hanging over her campaign. it's having an impact. in our latest poll, only 11% of those polled said that she is honest and trustworthy. that said, she is, as some critics have said, the luckiest person alive because she's running against donald trump who is considered less reliable and less trustworthy in terms of being commander in chief. >> absolutely right. and the other thing that continues to overshadow her campaign, like these twin issues. the clinton foundation, we learned the foundation is going to stop accepting foreign donations, donations from large

corporations. donald trump seizing on this saying it's time to shut down the clinton foundation. bill clinton himself writing an open letter to supporters writsing, if hillary is elected president, the foundation's work, funding, global reach and my role in it will present questions that must be resolved in a way that keeps the good work going while eliminating legitimate concerns about potential conflicts of interest. is this enough to quell the firestorm? >> what he's saying, they've never before said that he is not going to raise money for the foundation. he's going to step down from the board. not going to raise money. separate himself from it, although he'll continue to support the work of the clinton foundation. and supporters are pointing out as he did in his own e-mail the foundation does wonderful work. it has given low-cost hiv/aids drugs to people in 70 different countries. it has helped people in haiti. it has helped people all over latin america get jobs and with social services. they're saying the foundation itself should continue.

what they haven't answered is the question, why was it okay for her to accept foreign and corporate donations when she was secretary of state and not if she were to become president? why would one be a conflict and not the other? >> and it is the question that continues to hang over her campaign. andrea mitchell, thanks for joining me. i want to turn now to kasie hunt in los angeles with the latest on clinton's fund-raising efforts. she's spending much of this week fund-raising. really some star-studded events. what's on the agenda. >> just a couple. it's kicking off today at the home of magic johnson. and it's going to be attended by many of the titans of hollywood including bob iger and jeffrey katzenberg. she's fund-raising in this area in l.a. she's going to head later this week up to silicon valley where she'll do a fund-raiser at the home of tim cook, the ceo of apple. so there's that as well. she's also going to be holding another event in l.a. that

features tobey maguire and justin timberlake stepping in for dicaprio. this is keeping her out of the spotlight off the campaign trail in the traditional way. she plans one public event later in the week. four out west. this is something the trump campaign has seized on. using #where's hillary. donald trump has accused her of sleeping instead of campaigning. this is a pretty traditional way to spend the last couple of weeks in august. americans are on vacation. they're not paying as close attention to what's going on. people are getting ready to take their kids back to school, dool all those last-minute things. after labor day this is all going to change dramatically. this is their last chance to make sure they maintain a financial edge over donald trump. we learned from those latest financial disclosures that she's got $20 million more in the bank than donald trump does. he, of course, we're not sure exactly how much, but he potentially has some personal flexibility through the fall because of his own personal

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this is our, we hate to say, i told you so moment, but we told you so but kept saying it and kept saying it and republicans stuck their heads in the sand, and here we purpose it didn't have to be this way. >> that was florida congresswoman and former dnc chair debbie wasserman schultz as the cases of zika virus in miami is now up to 37. democrats and republicans are blaming each other for failing to pass legislation before congress went on recess. rick scott allocated an additional $5 million for zika

preparedness and mosquito control. zika zones have been identified in the wynnewood neighborhood and also parts of miami beach encompassing the popular tourist area of south beach. officials are bracing for outbreaks in other gulf states, specifically louisiana and texas. joining me to discuss all of this, dr. anthony fauci, director of the national institute of allergy and infections. >> good to be with you. >> you said over the weekend that louisiana is particularly at risk for zika after all of the flooding that we saw there. can you update us on that situation, and are there any known cases in that region right now? >> no, there are no known local cases. what we have throughout the country, we have more than 2,500 of them in florida of what we call travel related cases. mainly people who were infected elsewhere who come to the united states either americans coming back or just visitors and when you have them there, they have the virus in them.

we have mosquitoes throughout areas of our country, particularly in the southeastern part and along the gulf coast. when you put those two things together, people who were infected elsewhere with mosquitoes that can transmit it, particularly in that semitropical area around the gulf coast, you have the possibility of individual cases and even little clusters of cases of local transmission which is exactly what we're seeing in florida. given that and given the conditions along the gulf coast states, we would not be surprised if we see similar situations of either individual cases of local transmission or maybe even small clusters in places like texas or louisiana or other gulf coast states. the situation with louisiana that we discussed yesterday is that they have a significant flooding problem. the flooding itself doesn't allow mosquitoes to proliferate more. when the floods recede, you have a lot of standing water that's

may not be flood stage but a lot of standing water where mosquitoes can actually breed. that's what we're talking about, about when you have moist climates in general but particularly if you have standing water. you have to be extra special careful that you don't have an increased denseities of mosquitoes and likelihood of their being an outbreak of single or a couple of cases. >> i want to talk about florida more in depth in a little bit but if you live in texas or louisiana, what should you be doing to protect yourself when it comes to that standing water you're talking about. >> one at the level of state and local officials and others at the individual person level. the state and local health officials need to, as best as possible, not allow mosquitoes to breed in a robust way. you do that by cleaning up standing water in pots, pans, tires, what have you. individuals around their own homes can also do that by

emptying out the water. also, where appropriate and where necessary, you can do spraying, backpack spraying, spraying on trucks and sometimes you don't think it's necessarily ready for that right now but certainly in florida they're doing that. aerial spraying. the individual person, particularly if you are a pregnant woman, should protect yourself as best you can from getting bit by mosquitoes. and that is to the extent feasible. stay indoors and air conditioned rooms and workplaces. make sure the screens on your doors and windows are intact. and when you go out, we know it's warm weather and it may be difficult to do, but wear light clothing that covers a substantial part of your body. and the part that isn't covered, that's exposed to liberally use insect repellent, particularly that has deet in it. >> and updatous the efforts to fight zika in florida. how many cases are we looking at right now? and obviously, we're talking about the fact that congress has

yet to get funding for that state to help fight the disease in a more robust way. >> well, there are 500 travel related -- a little less than 500 travel-related cases in florida. the local transmission, cases that originate in florida, there are about 36 of those cases. what we have right now is two areas, two circumscribed areas, a one-mile radius in wynwood section north of miami and 1.5-radius in south beach section of miami beach where the cdc has recommended now that pregnant women do not professiontravel to that area because there's active transmission going on in those small areas. what we can do right now is just what i said. make sure there's a very aggressive program to control mosquitoes and we do need resources for that. you mention that. the cdc and the nih have now been waiting to get additional resources which we have not had.

so we've had to use money from other accounts to get to where we are right now. but we've reached that critical point where we're essentially running out of money to do anything more. so we really do need some relief now with additional resources. >> and dr. fauci, obviously we've talked so much about the fact that zika can cause birth defects. now we're learning it might actually be able to impact adult brains. what can you tell us about those reports? is that accurate? >> well, the report is accurate, but i think we need to be careful because it's a mouse study that showed that if you get an adult mouse and infect the mouse and it allows you to infect the mouse with zika. that zika in those mice have infected stem cells in the brains of these adult mice. the studies did not show any long-term affect functionally on the mice so although as far as the mouse study goes, it's

interest, and you need to pay attention to it. i would be cautious about making an extrapolation to say that infection of an adult can damage adult brain because we have thousands and thousands of people who have been infected as adults with zika and we don't see at this point any indication that there's functional impairment of those people's brains. i'd be a little cautious about making any conclusions from that mouse study. >> dr. fauci, quickly before i let you go. looking into the future, is this something we need to be concerned about in the coming summers or is this something that we could potentially contain this year? >> well, we can certainly potentially contain it. i think when you're thinking about the united states, continental united states as an entire continent, i think it's extremely unlikely because of so many issues including the conditions here that we'll have a widespread outbreak like they had in brazil n like they're having in puerto rico.

there are some sections like the one we've been discussing along the gulf coast that there is this possibility, particularly in the summer, of getting the individual cases and clusters of cases. what we hope to do is to suppress them enough so that we don't see cycling next year. when we had dengue with local transmission in florida it took about a year to two to completely get rid of the dengue. it stayed at a low level but was still there. our goal would be to eliminate it completely from the continental united states and hopefully ultimately from puerto rico also. >> dr. anthony fauci, thank you for all of that critical information. we really appreciate it. >> good to be with you. coming up, we'll round up the rest of the day's political headlines. that's next in "the lid." stay with us. now she writes mostly in emoji. soon, she'll type the best essays in the entire 8th grade. today, the only spanish words he knows are burrito and enchilada.

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huma abedin who knows every single thing about hillary clinton, knows more about hillary than hillary knows, and is married to a pervert sleaze named anthony weiner who will send anything that he has out over twitter or any other form of getting it out. i mean, she's married to anthony weiner. she knows everything that hillary clinton is doing and she's married to a guy that has no control over himself. >> that was donald trump on fox news this morning hitting former new york congressman anthony weiner, husband of clinton aide

huma abedin. for those keeping track, it is day three since trump admitted regret for using words that may have caused personal pain. with that, it's time for "the lid." the panel is back with us, matthew, molly and chris. thanks, guys, for sticking around. matthew, i want to start with you. we spent a lot of time last week talking about the trump pivot but when you listen to his comments about anthony weiner, doesn't seem like much of a pivot. it seems like he's going after personal attacks again. >> right. this is the same attack he's been making against anthony weiner since 2011 when the sexting scandal broke out and it actually made trump popular among many republicans and probably a few secret democrats at the time. i think it's an easy target for trump. i don't think these words are what's going to cost him the election in november. >> molly, have you seen a real pivot on the part of trump or do you think it's business as usual? what do you think? >> well, i think on the one hand, there's only one donald trump and as he has said multiple times, he's going to be

himself no matter what. i think we are seeing some tweaks around the edges in terms of tone and rhetoric. i think some of the speeches he's been reading off the teleprompters and to give credit to his new campaign people, the speeches that he's been reading sound much more natural, much more in his voice, than the previous regimes and he has been relatively controlled in terms of outbursts in interviews and spontaneous things. as matt said, the weiner thing is nothing new. i think on the special trump scale that we rate him on a curve on such things, it's a relatively less outrageous thing to say. >> fair enough. fair point. chris, i want to turn to you now. it's five weeks until the first debate. we know donald trump has actually started prepping. the trump campaign says it's picked a clinton stand-in. we haven't heard much about clinton starting her debate prep. does she run the risk of underestimating donald trump? >> well, i don't think you should underestimate any opponent in a presidential election let alone donald trump.

listen, i think it's pretty clear, if you use a crystal ball what kind of strategy he will use. he will come out extremely aggressive. my guess is depending where the polls are, if they are where they are right now, he will be even more aggressive on the cusp of outright offensive. i don't think he will temper or change anything that we have seen over the last many weeks and months. i don't think there will be a pivot or changing of character. this notion that somehow we are seeing this trump 2.0 is to be honest somewhat laughable when you basically go one day or two days where you go right back to the personal attacks on either media folks or folks that are no longer members of congress. that ain't going to win you any votes. so my guess is, he's prepping for a lot of specific reasons having to do mostly with the fact that he doesn't know substantively the issues and positions that he needs to in order to articulate any kind of

coherent policy position. i think that is going to be i think his biggest problem in those debates. it's not going to be enough to attack hillary. >> we will see, that is for sure. a lot of people will be tuning in. i know that. matthew, i want to turn back to you. donald trump has improved his fund-raising numbers from june. he's still trailing secretary clinton overall. does the deficit hurt him, or is he starting to really ramp up this part of his strategy? could he catch up? >> well, you have seen that there's been some closing of the gap in the national polls over the last few days but the swing state polls still are very bad for trump. i think one of the reasons for that is he has been subjected to an incredible barrage of negative advertising from the clinton campaign. that's her cash advantage, pouring into negative attacks, effective ones against donald trump. his resources right now are just beginning to decide on which ads to run to counter that. i think it may be too little, too late.

one note on the debates. donald has roger ailes advising him now. roger ailes played a key part in the making of the president richard m. nixon 1968 and refashioning richard nixon to make him more acceptable to a general election audience. i wouldn't be surprised if ailes and trump are going to try to do something like that in these remaining days. >> all right. we have to wait and see. great conversation. unfortunately, we are out of time. thanks so much for being here. r. and so many businesses rely on the united states postal service to get it there. that's why we make more ecommerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country. the united states postal service. priority: you

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