thanks for joining us. that is all for tonight. chuck will be back tomorrow with more "mtp daily." "with all due respect" starts right now. i'm raalex wagner. >> i'm john heilemann. with all due respect to donald trump i think we seed we need an adult in the room. >> one of the most critical counties in this year's election cycle, a 12-year-old boy is in charge of trump's campaign. we have a heavy dose of tbd tonight, including the influxiness of donald trump's immigration plan. first we will talk about clinton world, which is dealing with the uncertainty of some 15,000 e-mails the fbi uncovered while investigating hillary clinton's home e-mail server. it is unclear exactly what is in those documents but the

conservative group judicial watch has sued to make them public and a federal judge today gave the state department until september 22nd to come up with a new plan to release them. also in limbo, bill clinton's position on the board of his family foundation. the former president today formally announced he will step down and cease fund-raising if his wife reaches the white house. both are central to the newly disciplined trump campaign which is trying to refocus in a concerted way on hillary clinton's pressure points. as seen today when the republican nominee called in to fox news and called for the complete abolishment or abolition of the clinton foundation. >> number one they should shut it down. number two they should give the money back to a lot of countries that we shouldn't be taking and they shouldn't be taking money from. countries that influenced her totally. and also countries that discriminate against women and gays and everybody else. i mean, that money should be given back. they should not take that money. and it's pay for play.

i mean, if you look at it, it's pay for play. >> besides the clinton foundation and hillary clinton's e-mails, the democratic nominee has been facing ongoing scrutiny of her long-time aide huma abedin. the "new york post" is reporting she was assistant editor of a muslim affairs journal that advocated for positions contrary to what clinton talked about for decades. meanwhile it's been more than 260 days and counting since hillary clinton held a proper press conference and at the same time, breaking from long history of campaign decorum, she is not allowing reporters to be inside her campaign fund-raisers so there's some transparency things going on there. alex, welcome. >> thank you, john. >> first, i want to say i have been on vacation for two weeks so please be gentle with me today. i'm barely capable of speaking in anything resembling english. the clinton campaign today for sure is on defense on a whole bunch of different fronts. of the various areas where they are on defense, where are they most vulnerable? >> let's break it down.

one, i think not having a press conference matters exactly not at all to anybody other than the media. i'm all for transparency as a member of the media, i say hillary clinton should have more press conferences as a campaign strategy for the trump campaign, as a piece of strategy for the trump campaign to use, i don't think it makes a difference. we know there are a lot of editors who do nothing but are listed on mastheads. that is what the clinton campaign is saying about huma abedin being assistant editor of this muslim journal. her mother however is the editor in chief. this magazine said things that were directly in opposition to hillary clinton and a lot of the values that a lot of democratic voters share, a lot of american voters share, and i think that could be a potential problem for the campaign but i think the biggest hole they need to fill quickly is around the clinton foundation. this has been something that has been teed up for years. the fact that the clinton campaign is still taking those foreign donations at this point seems highly questionable as a piece of strategy.

>> so i will try to do them one by one also. hillary clinton should have press conferences. >> yes, she should. do american voters care? >> it was important to democratic accountability, hillary clinton should have press conferences. 260 days without them is bad, the same way donald trump should release his tax returns, i say again for the hundredth time on this show. i believe i'm called the managing editor of bloomberg politics. >> that actually means nothing. >> i manage nothing and edit no one. so there's that. i don't think many voters in the middle of the electorate care about huma abedin one way or the other. i think it's true. the clinton foundation is a huge problem because in our last bloomberg politics poll, 53% of people in the country think the fact the foundation accepts foreign donations is problematic. that's a number that starts to get into the area i care about, persuadable voters, people out there not already committed to donald trump or to hillary clinton and to a set of voters who are i think another

interesting subset, which is the subset that is not deciding between clinton and trump but is deciding whether to pull the lever for hillary clinton as they normally would for a democrat or pull if lever for donald trump as they normally would for a republican. i think a lot of democrats are unsettled by the clinton foundation and they have not cleaned this up, the way they handled it today and the fact they are scrambling around suggest they recognize a vulnerability in that area. >> we didn't get to talk about the 15,000 e-mails. >> no, we did not. let's do it tomorrow. >> something tells me we will be talking about it more. >> they never go away. >> campaign fund-raising tallies for july came out this weekend. eig at first glance it was an impressive haul for donald trump. the republican nominee raised $36 million, spent only $18 million and has about $38 million still in the bank. he also loaned his campaign $2 million. but instead of investing the cash into the tv ad war and operational ground game, most of trump's spending went toward a

firm that handles digital ads as well as mech, travel and reimbursing his campaign for expenses. >> hillary clinton spent $36 million and has $58 million in cash on hand. has trump rolls out his first general election ad, hillary clinton's campaign is reportedly reserved $80 million worth of television air time in battleground states this fall which will include spots like the one the campaign released today that once again, uses donald trump's own words against himself. >> in times of crisis, america depends on steady leadership. >> knock the crap out of inl him, would you? seriously. >> clear thinking. >> i know more about isis than the generals do. believe me. >> and calm judgment. >> and you can tell them to go [ bleep ] themselves. >> because all it takes is one wrong move. >> i would bomb the [ bleep ] out of them. >> just one.

>> like the sound of that jet taking off there. >> i like the beeps. >> or a missile being launched. i don't know what. here's the question. as a matter just of campaign mechanics, you have these two campaigns, the trump campaign looks more like an actual campaign than it has before just in terms of finances. there are some exceptions to that. heading into the traditional of the general election, where do the campaigns stand relative to each other? >> this is the question we have been asking, how much do the traditional levers of a campaign matter, how much do they pull, how much weight do they pull in this cycle. i think donald trump needs to run ads. i think spending your money on venues and planes and hats does not win you the american presidency. however, there's a really interesting article in the "times" today that also talks about the outside spending groups and that is where you see a dramatic difference between the two campaigns. one of the reporters who wrote the piece says basically that trump is running a pre-citizens

united campaign. hillary clinton is running a post-citizens united campaign. that matters. if you look at the spending totals to date, priorities usa, the clinton super pac, $131 million. make america great pac, $12.1 million to date. that is a major difference in spending. >> i will tell you the other piece of that. the priorities usa has nearly $40 million cash on hand today, still holding it. >> with $40 million odd pledged in addition to that. >> i think there's no question that the clinton campaign is in a better state as an operation. i don't think anybody in the world would disagree with that. they have ground operations, they have targeting operations. they are using data in a sophisticated modern way. they are on the air, all that stuff is true. it continues to be surprising to me that although it is unquestionably true that clinton has established a real lead nationally and in a lot of battleground states, that trump is still in a lot of places

within striking distance and that he now is raising money to put him in a position to close that gap. but to close that gap will require big changes on the part of the candidate and actually doing more with that money to make him look like normal campaign operational stuff. >> although the hats will be collectors' items. >> when we come back, i don't own one, though. >> you just put out the plea publicly. send him a hat. >> give a brother a hat. when we come back, donald trump's tbd immigration plan. i love that my shop is part of the morning ritual around here. people rely on that first cup and i wouldn't want to mess with that. but when (my) back pain got bad, i couldn't sleep. i had trouble getting there on time. then i found aleve pm. aleve pm is the only one to combine a sleep aid plus the 12 hour strength of aleve. for pain relief that can last into the morning. ♪ look up at a new day... hey guys! now i'm back. aleve pm for a better am.

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over the weekend donald trump met with hispanic leaders who later told news outlets that the republican nominee was reversing course on his republican nomination fight, campaign position, that the estimated 11 or so million undocumented immigrants in america would and should be sent home if he becomes president. team trump has since been pushing back on those reports as they start a week in which they

intend to be squarely focused on immigration or at least they intended that to be the case. we will talk about that more in a minute. if only they had a new campaign manager who could clarify exactly where donald trump stands on this signature issue of his. >> what donald trump said yesterday in that meeting differed very little from what he's said publicly including in his campaign speech last month in cleveland. it's that we need a quote fair and quote humane way of dealing with what is estimated to be about 11 million illegal immigrants. >> will that plan include a deportation force, the kind that you just heard in that sound bite and that he talked about during the republican primaries? >> to be determined. >> okay. >> okay indeed. all right. this morning in a phon interview with fox news, trump took his turn at addressing the confusion but didn't make things that much clearer. the clinton campaign is working hard to remind voters about trump's previous statements as offensive as they were to many

latinos. trump's expected policy speech on immigration in colorado which they were talking about for awhile happening on thursday has now reportedly been postponed for reasons as yet unknown. alex, assuming trump actually wants to shift on immigration and that's a big assumption, if he wants to shift, if he wants to pivot, to use the term of art, how much room does he have to actually do that given the nature of his campaign, what he said in the past, where hispanic voters are now? >> not a lot of room. i think this is different than nafta or arming japan with nuclear weapons. this is an issue he's been very public on. he's used language like we are going to round people up, i believe september 27th, last year said we are rounding them up in a humane way to do like eisenhower in the 1950s with operation wetback. that's the kind of stuff that hispanic americans, americans in general, remember. that is a very strong flag, big flag he has planted in the ground. i think it's hard to get more wiggle room around that. >> the campaign, there's been a discussion about this for a long

time. people now have forgotten that donald trump went into a "new york times" editorial board and have an off the record conversation that is claimed by some that he said i'm really not serious about the wall, really not going to build a wall. trump has trashed the "new york times," said i'm building that wall and we are deporting these people. he said it over and over and over again. is there some way trump could give a word salad speech that allowed him to posture and use words like humane and use words like law-abiding and fair, is there some way to give that speech? yeah. would it manntter to hispanic voters? i don't think so. >> donald trump has been making a concerted effort to reach out to non-white voters. today the rnc released fairly low budget web videos in english and spanish, ones that make the economic case for trump's policies. possibly you have noticed the not so subtle additions to trump's stump speech in the past week. >> we reject the bigotry of hillary clinton which panders to and talks down to communities of

color and sees them only as votes. that's all they care about. not as individual human beings worthy of a better future. nearly four in ten african-american children are living in poverty. i will not rest until children of every color in this country are fully included in the american dream. what do you have to lose? you're living in poverty. your schools are no good. you have no jobs. 58% of your youth is unemployed. what the hell do you have to lose? at the end of four years i guarantee you that i will get over 95% of the african-american vote, i promise you.

>> over 95% of the african-american vote. what does trump's running mate mike pence think about that last part? >> he says by 2020, he's going to have 95% of the african-american support. why are you laughing? >> a number of public polls show trump getting support from 2% or less of african-american voters. john, 2% or less. what's up with that? >> 2% or less. i'm not a statistician although i play one on tv. i believe that's within the margin of error in any poll which means there could be in some places zero. >> or negative. >> i'm not sure how that's possible. this goes back to our previous topic in an important way. i don't think this is a novel thesis of mine. i do think that trump, the people who are around trump now are trying to calm down the republican establishment and so doing these things are not really about trying to get african-american votes. the reality is for most black americans, the day donald trump took up the birther cause was the day he lost those voters. he will never get them back.

there's nothing he can do. i'm sure he knows that. this is about projecting a calmer, more supposedly at least making an effort at inclusion, calming the republican establishment down and more importantly, sending a signal to suburban republican leaning voters who have been freaked out by trump seeming intolerant, maybe making them feel a little more comfortable. that group i was talking about before, will i vote for trump or stay home, maybe they will be a little more comfortable and come to him if they hear him sounded like a normal candidate. >> the nihilism of what do you have to lose, that's as arguments go, you have to hand it to trump for innovating on the trail. >> that's what i said when i asked you to come on the show. >> i took the bait. i took the bait. it's a questionable line of strategy. it's decidedly trumpian. >> coming up, republican congressman jason chaffetz. what powers the digital world. communication. that's why a cutting edge university counts on centurylink

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jason chaffetz, thank you for being here and being the second most famous utahan i have ever heard of. >> butch cassidy being number one. we are so proud. >> one of the things i learned in our preinterview discussion, butch cassidy the most famous utahan ever. >> that's probably right. >> i'm really proud of myself i can say utahan so well. >> not everybody can do it. >> you are up here talking e-mail. this morning some news broke that there are now 15,000 new -- previously undisclosed e-mails the fbi has discovered as a result of some of your questioning. tell me what you think that means. >> we are trying to get at the truth. it's hillary clinton that created this in the first place. the inspector general got involved, found that there were classified material that was floating in a non-classified setting. that's why they gave the referral to the fbi. but i was stunned when i heard the testimony from the fbi director that as they did this year-long probe that they never looked at the testimony from hillary clinton on capitol hill when she had raised her hand and

was under oath. you can't come and lie to congress. >> i'm trying to figure out, you guys, the fbi has now sent you a bunch of material. i know there's some confusion about there being different briefing books. what is the basic deal with what you think is wrong here? do you think the fbi is basically in the tank for hillary clinton? is that the basic accusation? >> i have the greatest respect for the fbi. my grandfather was a career fbi agent. i think mr. comey is not dealing in a political situation. i would come the a different conclusion than mr. comey but -- >> on the law. >> on the law. he is caught up on intent. i think there was intent. the fact that she set up this server on the very day she started her senate confirmation hearings, i see evidence that points to the idea she didn't want to have to report this information and never make it public but when you are secretary of state, your official dealings are of public record. and it's one of the biggest breaches of national security that i have actually seen.

that's the worry. what i want people back home to understand is there's not just one e-mail service and hey, i forwarded on here to g-mail. no. there's a separate secure system for classified material and then a non-secure system. how is it that she's extracting data or those around her are extracting data and transferring that on to a non-secure system. >> i want to focus on the perjury question, because that is a very serious charge you have leveled. john dean, famous from his watergate time, now a republican nominally. he's drifted a little to the left for sure. but really, he issued a scathing broadside against you, basically saying you guys are engaged in horribly disgusting kind of political effort to smear secretary clinton and it seems to me like on all of the four charges, a lot of what the dispute comes back to is the question of intent.

that you must to perjure yourself, you must know you are lying, you must be intending to deceive. is it your argument that doesn't matter, that's not part of what perjury is about? >> the statute itself says that intent to house this classified information in a non-secure setting. that is clearly what she did. she gave between two and ten people access that didn't have security clearances, the proper security clearances, access to classified information. >> none of those things -- >> and it started, wasn't because of house republicans. it was because of the inspector general. >> none of those things go to the perjury question. the perjury question is about what she said in the benghazi hearing versus what she told the fbi. and dean's argument is basically that in every one of these instances, she -- there's no intent to deceive in any of evidence in the record. >> but what the fbi director testified to is that he never did look. the fbi did not look at her sworn testimony under oath. that is -- politicians lie. but it's a whole different level

when you come to congress under oath and give sworn testimony. the fact -- i didn't go into that hearing thinking i was going to ask her that, but the fact the fbi never looked at it, he said he needed a referral from congress and i said i will give it to you later this day. >> you are a politician, right? >> yeah. think so. >> you lying to me right now? >> no. >> okay. just want to be clear. >> the whole truth and nothing but the truth. >> you said politicians lie and you are a politician. i want to make sure i'm not being lied to right now. >> they lie -- >> as a matter of course. >> as a matter of law they don't do that. >> why is utah in play? in the general election? it's one of the most republican states in the country. hillary clinton is within striking distance of donald trump there. why is that? >> we have a large libertarian streak that i think runs through me and a lot of others in utah. donald trump did not help himself way back when in the primary when he came and challenged the mormon credentials of mitt romney. i don't think that was well advised and needs some cleanup. mike pence is coming to utah

soon. one thing that will unite republicans is their dislike of hillary clinton. i think given the choice between the two, donald trump gets on message, reaches his hand out to utah and nevada and arizona, by the way, sort of the three of us, he's going to have to do that. >> how do you feel about the fact the guy who is now the ceo of the trump campaign referred to you in e-mail as a sniveling little s-h--- t. how do you feel about that, that's the guy leading donald trump's campaign? nominee of your party? >> i hope he has more important things to worry about. i was a placekicker once upon a time in college. kind of get used to that sort of stuff. i don't think much about it. >> are you fully happy, confident and excited about the nominee of your party? >> much more so than hillary clinton. absolutely. i find hillary clinton to be one that will look into the camera and lie to the american people. i disagree with several of the things donald trump has said and

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change that makes america safe again. donald trump for president. >> that was donald trump's latest and only general election ad which was released this friday and will air in four battleground states. with us now to break down this ad and so much more, fred davis a republican strategist and media consultant. we are also joined by liz smith, democratic strategist who was martin o'malley's campaign manager and director of rapid response for president obama's 2012 campaign. great to see you both. how do you grade that ad? >> you know what, i'm going to grade it an f because -- i know, look, that's rough, because look, the trump campaign is trying as you said earlier with their outreach to african-americans and hispanics to kind of soften his image. it's not really about winning over their votes. it's about telling white suburban voters hey, it's okay to pull the lever for me, i'm not that racist.

but what it ultimately comes down to here is -- so that completely contradicts that because it uses some of that kind of ugly imagery and ugly language that syrian refugees are overrunning our country and that ugly imagery that goes back to jesse helms doing race baiting in 1994 with the white hands crumpling the paper. sorry, didn't mean to go all the way back there. >> all the way back. >> all the way back there. my dad's from north carolina so i had to do it. >> let's give away her age here. >> one thing i would say is the bigger problem for donald trump is the temperament issue. i think the contrast with this ad and the rnc ad is pretty stark. it kind of shows multiple personality disorder of his campaign right now. donald trump's biggest problem is that he is addicted, he's an addict and he's addicted to personal insults. you know what, his campaign, his

aides, his family have had multiple interventions with him. he has agreed that this is self-destructive, this is bad behavior, but he keeps repeating it, keeps insulting people and keeps on alienating the people he needs to come over to his side. >> perfect transition to fred davis, who i have had multiple interventions with myself, usually to encourage him to drink more bourbon. my question, we have been waiting a long time for the first real donald trump ad. you are a famed, esteemed, sometimes controversial ad man. grade this as a piece of art and a piece of strategy. >> well, first, it's hard to imagine lis is in the rapid response business, isn't it? an f. the only thing i thought was a little mysterious on it, wasn't the two americas john edwards' campaign theme? there seems to be a bit of a steal there. i thought it did what he needs to do. i think, john, we talked about this, i think this race comes

down to old versus new, if you like the way things are going now, if you like the way things have gone the last eight years, vote for hillary because it will be the same. but most people, a lot of people in this country don't like the way things have been and you know, donald trump might be a bit of a roll of the dice but he's something different, he's something new. i think it was probably a pretty good start. unlike lis, i believe, i thought it was pretty calm. i think calm is something that he needs to do. now, she's talking about the difference between the ad and his personality. i will give her points there. but i think that is what the campaign needs to do. that's probably some influence from kellyanne because i know she's been around there longer than she was just until recently she was elevated to campaign chair or manager. >> what's new about blaming all of our problems on immigrants? i don't see it as anything new. i don't see it as anything that will appeal to people outside of his base.

and outside of the people that he has already won over to his side. i respectfully disagree there. >> fred, can i ask about some language he's using when he talks about the system being rigged? i was just writing a piece for "the atlantic" and talking to former obama 2012 strategists who said in 2012 after a lot of legislatures passed voter id laws, we had to be really careful about the way we talked about that with our voters. if you tell people the system is rigged, it actually depresses turnout. what trump is doing is not in service of his end goal which is to become president. telling people the system is against you doesn't serve as motivation to get people to the polls. you think that's fair? >> good luck on your story. i have read quite a few like that. i think it's a trumpism. i think donald trump doesn't like to lose and right now, in most polls, he's behind. i think that's just his way of saying hey, i'm going to give it my best shot and if i don't win, it's not my fault.

i think that's way down in the weeds for the average voter, though. >> it comes off as whiney and a sore loser and i think it plays into temperament. >> i want to go to the democratic side. today, donald trump sent out a press release that basically said hillary clinton had a horrible day. you read this press release and thought, unlike many press releases from both sides where you say this is ridiculous, you looked and said yeah, it's not been a great day for hillary clinton. if you look at the range of stories of the day. how do you think they are doing, that campaign, at handling the e-mail onslaught, foundation onslaught, transparency questions, huma, all of that. grade them as a practitioner. >> oh, i'm sorry to my fellow democrats but i would not give them a good grade on it. look -- >> are you hovering in f territory with that? >> i would say that's -- oh, god. you know, i'm going to say like a "d" there. >> why? >> why. because you know, one of the

biggest lessons in life whether in politics or not is when you are in a hole, stop digging. her staff needs to take that shovel out of her hands. i mean, i was just shocked over the weekend to read this report that she's throwing colin powell under the bus. why are you picking a fight with colin powell right now? colin powell was a big endorser of barack obama's in 2008, big endorser in 2012. probably was going to be a hillary clinton endorser. now is an adverse area. doesn't make sense to me. you can't get in a time machine, go back and undo all her public statements and all of the refusal to acknowledge her initial wrongdoing here. but their continued obfuscation is troubling and prolongs the story. >> let me really quickly ask this. there's a little bit of all the wood behind many arrowheads problem with the campaign. there are things to shoot at on the clinton side. would you focus on the

foundation, stick with the e-mail things, go after other matters of transparency? where's the praise whelace whera republican see clinton as most vulnerable among the various controversies playing out right now? >> oh, in trump's words, i would just say the crooked or questionable character side. i wouldn't use trump's words but i would use all those as arrows. but i always like to have a common theme and the common theme is something about untrustworthiness, iffy, questionable. i don't go over the top generally and i would just keep -- >> interesting definition of i don't know where the top would be. you have been over every top i have ever heard of. okay. >> it worked. i think you could easily go over the top on hillary but i think a constant drip, drip, drip of all

these millions of things that keep coming out. the question to me will be not john and mark, the mainstream normal typical press, will they continue to be on hillary's side, because right now, they are a great asset. if you think about the e-mails, everybody i run into, let's forget the e-mails, why do we keep talking about e-mails. it's a pretty serious charge. the press has not exactly laid it out as a real serious charge. with these little missteps and i agree with everything lis just said this time, will they begin to fall off the hillary train and maybe get a little more reasoned, i don't know. >> i just want to see more ads with demon sheep. i need more demon sheep ads this election cycle or it's a failure. >> i have a few coming. i have a few in my pocket. >> fred davis -- >> busy week last week. >> lis smith, i hope i never get graded by you on a paper. thank you both for your time.

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coast, msnbc political correspondent kasie hunt from my hometown of los angeles, california. she's covering hillary clinton. and in the east, or at least sort of east, nbc correspondent katy tur, out in akron, ohio covering donald trump. kasie, katy, i have to use good diction to distinguish between the two of you. donald trump was going to pivot on immigration this week. we were waiting for a big speech on thursday. now, not so much? no speech. what's going on? >> reporter: yeah, campaign source says that immigration speech has been postponed. unclear to when, unclear to why. we also know that his public events in las vegas on friday has been canceled. i'm not sure we can say that donald trump is pivoting on immigration yet. i think it is telling that he didn't outright deny the idea that he could be thinking about amnesty for undocumented workers here in america. neither did his campaign. but to say that donald trump is officially pivoting or

moderating, i think that would be jumping the gun. after all, we are still unclear on where he stands with his muslim ban, whether it is still a muslim ban or if it is just a territory ban if he's moderating on that. i think at this point we got to chalk up this immigration policy to just one of the many issues that we just aren't very clear on when it comes to donald trump's platforms. >> kasie, you are out west where all good things happen. the clinton campaign is focused, they have to focus defense on a number of fronts, whether e-mails, huma abedin, the list goes on. where are they focusing right now? >> reporter: the clinton foundation has become the center of this the e-mail issue has been ongoing and is extremely distracting. it's one of those things you never know what might pop up. i would add something we haven't talked much about in the last 24 hours, the hacking of the dnc, particularly the dccc, just something in the background to worry about as far as moving

forward. i think the clinton foundation, it's very clear they have gone through this in a methodical way. they have been working on this for a long time. they decided the second to last week in august is the best time to let everybody know this is how they will handle it. of course, you do have the e-mail and the clinton foundation issues coming to a head with the new judicial watch e-mails that show communication between huma abedin. so far, no smoking gun, one or two lines back and forth and the clinton campaign saying there was never any sort of quid pro quo or special treatment for donors of the clinton foundation, but if something like that were to surface, i think it could be particularly problematic and i think it's very clear that the clintons, hillary clinton, bill clinton, chelsea clinton, are all very involved in trying to figure out how to make sure the foundation doesn't present a problem if hillary clinton's elected. >> you mentioned they have been dealing and grappling with this problem for months now. i guess do you feel the campaign is under pressure right now to get the foundation to stop taking foreign donations before

november? because right now it's predicated on hillary clinton becoming the next president. >> reporter: i actually think if it weren't for kellyanne conway and this flap over the immigration speech you guys were just talking about and whether he's going to moderate, i felt the trump campaign was actually having a little bit of success getting some traction on an issue that they wanted to talk about. you saw this kind of breitbart style e-mail go out yesterday about increasing pressure on the clinton foundation to shut down entirely. i think that robby mook had some trouble answering questions about this on the sunday shows. he was pressed repeatedly and while he was happy to turn and talk about donald trump and his tax returns, i struggled to find a really clear answer from him as to why it is that would make sense for them to continue accepting foreign donations while she was secretary of state through this period, if in fact it would be inappropriate to do it after november. they of course are saying well, we don't want to get ahead of ourselv

ourselves, we will make sure we take care of the foundation on the back side of her getting elected. i think it could continue to cause problems for them. how much it does just depends on how many distractions donald trump gins up for himself. >> let me ask this question about, you're right, i didn't want to go too far and say there would definitely be a trump pivot on immigration. the notion of kellyanne conway on tv this weekend saying to be determined about the deportation force and obviously, the reporting over it coming out of meetings with hispanic leaders over the weekend suggested something was afoot. does the trump campaign believe there's a way in which it can improve its standing with hispanic voters or is this just part of an image thing that's really more about white suburban republicans than actual hispanics? >> reporter: you know, i'm not sure what they believe. i think what they are trying to do is figure out how they can amend their deficits among moderate republican voters and that's hurting them more and more with the polls as of late. but also, their deficits among

potentially latinos. that is a very steep hill to climb at this point. donald trump's support of minorities, it's very low at the moment. in some cases, 1%, 2%, 3% when it comes to those polls. so just moving away from the deportation plan, i'm not sure that would be enough to change the minds of hispanic voters after this 14-month campaign where he has said repeatedly that he wants to deport all 11 million undocumented immigrants and that he wants to build a wall and talking about judge curiel not being able to be unbiased because he's of mexican heritage. so i'm not sure donald trump's campaign has anything in their arsenal to get hispanic or latino voters back on their side. the idea that it's maybe making white suburban voters more comfortable with the idea of donald trump does make more sense. we saw last week him trying to appeal to african-american voters, at least on the surface of it, but he's doing that, the

vast majority of very large white crowds where very few minorities are, and very white neighborhoods. it could be the idea of the campaign trying to convince these voters that he's not the racist that he's being made out to be by some in the hispanic community or minority community or on the left. >> so maybe with hispanics, donald trump will have to tear down that wall before it was even built. thank you both. when we come back, the doctor is in or maybe doctors are in. that's after this. as you'll see, when shoppers add an item to their jet carts, they automatically shrink the prices of millions of other products. very impressive. whew... it's got a little kick to it. i'm sorry, i can't hear you? nice shirt craig.

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i think hillary's tired. i do. when i saw hillary at the press conference sitting down with the police, the democrat appointed police chiefs pretending she's

pro-police, one of the most pathetic press conferences i have ever seen. >> what do you mean? >> first of all she looks sick. >> that was america's mayor, sorry, one-time mayor of an american city and trump surrogate rudy giuliani on fox news this morning. questioning hillary clinton's health. this is not new in the trump campaign. it started this month with a video portraying hillary clinton as a stuttering short-circuiting robot. a week later, trump questioned clinton's strength and stamina and last week, his national spokeswoman, someone who is not a medically trained doctor, katrina pearson, offered her own medical diagnosis. >> -- she doesn't have the strength or the stamina for a very long time. that part is nothing new. what's new are the other reports of the observations of hillary clinton's behavior and mannerisms specifically with what you just showed in those previous clips as well as her dysphagia, the fact that she's

fallen, she has had a -- >> hold on, hold on. >> on top of all this, the trump campaign has been getting some direction from the hand on the end of this proctology exam, the conservative media. like the drudge report which this month posted an old photo of hillary clinton with the headline quote, hillary conquers the stairs. and also, steve bannon's former employer, breitbart, attacking the media for staying quote, strangely silent on this issue. >> and then there was sean i never claimed to be a journalist hannity who brought out the fox news medical a-team, his phrase, this month for a full clinton physical. and to make it seem legit, hannity brought props. >> well, you know the picture that you showed as she's going up the stairs speaks a million words. so is she really fatigued, is she dehydrated. one of the main reasons why she fell in 2012 and had the concussion was severe dehydration. they are holding her and going up the stairs so she may be really dehydrated, she may have

arthritis, may have back pain, she may have fallen again. we don't know. there are a lot more questions that's unanswered. >> well, as it turns out, we can buy costumes, too. this sunday rudy giuliani backed up these wild assertions with the one source of medical knowledge no one should ever question. the internet. >> her campaign and all the people defending her saying there's nothing factual to the claims about her health and that -- >> go online -- >> -- are speculation at best. >> go online and put down hillary clinton illness, take a look at the videos for yourself. >> so taking our cue from that helpful tip from mayor giuliani, we decided to jump right in on the old internet machine. we looked up hillary clinton illness and we found multiple articles debunking these wild-eyed lunatic conspiracy theories. while we were moseying around we also said let's see what's up with this rudy guy. we googled giuliani dementia and came up with giuliani seriously may be suffering from mental dementia from the medical experts at something called the

ring of fire who have about as much medical expertise as we do. alex, as i remove my surgical scrubs, i feel i should be like this. >> you actually should. you need to keep your hands sterile for the pending operation. >> we are the anatomy of a smear/conspiracy theory. >> we are the anatomy of two journalists who put on costumes in a questionable decision made very very quickly during a commercial break. >> yet i feel very good about it. better about it than these people should for spreading this ridiculous garbage about hillary clinton. just please, tell -- >> this has been going on for a long time. i do not think there is a panoply of things the trump campaign has to choose from. dementia, disphagia, stick around from them. >> if you don't have a medical degree, shut up. just shut up. >> even if you have scrubs on. >> we'll be right back.

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