remote village of norgia. it was so strong it was felt more than 100 miles away in rome. the towns of amatrice have ben devastation. a look now at the latest numbers. police in amatrice say at least 50 people, 50 are dead in that village alone. more deaths are being reported in other nearby towns as well. the oerm has been mobilized to help in what has become a desperate, frantic search for survivors at this hour. the mayor of amatrice saying, quote, the town isn't here anymore. let's get right to amatrice. nbc's lucy cavanaugh joins me on the telephone. our understanding is communication haves been difficult for us there because, in part, of the aftershocks that continue. what are you seeing? what are you hearing?

what are you feeling? >> reporter: craig, the mayor said the town isn't here anymore. it certainly does look like it. buildings have been completely flattened. there are mangled piles of metal sticking out from the ground, bricks everywhere. you might hear dogs barking behind me. that's what rescue workers are using to try to figure out where people may still be trapped beneath the rubble. the numbers here are difficult to verify. one local police official told us at least 50 people are believed to have been killed in this town, in amatrice alone. that means this is a much more powerful quake than we initially thought. so powerful was the shaking that it actually woke me up 100 miles away in rome. but here i can tell you rescue workers are still dispatched almost every street, as far as the eye can see. some of the structures, the buildings are still standing,

but we simply don't know for how long. one of the really terrifying things. you see these large cracks in the ground, in the pavement. you don't know how deep those vault lines go and how stable it is. the other big issue here is going to be the residents. there are a lot of people who have lost their homes who will not be able to return to this village or the nearby villages. officials have been pleading with locals to donate blood, to donate rescue equipment. donate food, diapers, medical supplies. what to do with all those people is a big question. if we think back to 2009, the last time people had a massive earthquake in l'aguila, 300 people were killed there. that town is still a ghost town. what it will do to the tourism in these areas, another big question. >> lucy, amatrice for a lot of people not familiar with this world, it's a city on a map outside rome.

what more can you tell us about this row moat mountainous town? >> most of our viewers are probably familiar with pasta, and amatrice is the birthplace of some famous pasta dishes. that's why a lot of tourists probably do try to make a vis on their tour of italy. a lot of the residents are elderly. because it's summertime, younger people might be visiting their grandparents. the town is much more full than normal. that is what accounts for the high death toll, the high injury tolls that we are seeing because normally there would have been a much smaller population. because this is the height of summer, the height of the tourism season, a lot of people were in that town and in nearby surrounding areas. it's eideal lick, beautiful, postcard beautiful. the buildings that have

withstood centuries have no collapsed. >> amatrice, lucy kafanov is there. at this point officials say the frantic search is on for survivors. a lot of folks still trapped in the rubble there. the death toll right now at 10:05 on the east coast, the death toll is at 50. the thinking at this point is that it will rise perhaps considerably. luis say kafanov, we'll come back to you a little later. do be careful as well. lengths get to the race for the white house, the problems persist for hillary clinton. the associated press reporting on the relationship between the clinton state department and her family's name sake charitable foundation. according to the ap, more than half of secretary clinton's non-governmental meetings were with donors to the clinton foundation. the number is 85 out of 154 people.

this is what clinton's campaign manager said about an hour or two ago on "morning joe". >> hillary clinton and her family had a foundation, it is charitable. they don't receive a salary from it. donald trump and his bottom line and his net worth are directly connected to all kinds of international entities. hillary clinton doesn't have a conflict of interest with charitable work. that's all it is. >> with me now, one of the ap reporters who broke that clinton story, eileen sullivan. thanks so much for joining me. i'm sure you've heard the criticism from the campaign that your reporting omits roughly 1700 meetings with world leaders, government officials as well. why not include those officials and members of foreign governments as well in that reporting? >> this story is about access. u.s. government officials, everyone would expect secretary clinton to meet with them as well as foreign officials. she's the secretary of state.

in her diplomatic roll, she would be meeting with them regularly. we wanted to look at people who have pry vast interests, who didn't have a u.s. government role or foreign role and how many people like that she spoke with who had given themselves or companies had contributed to the family's foundation. >> i want to make sure we have the numbers. 85 out of 154 people she met with. these are the non-governmental officials. these are not members of other foreign governments as well. 85 out of 154, 2450ez are folks who made some sort of contribution to the foundations. is that correct according to your report? >> yes, that's correct. >> any evidence in your reporting that these donors got anything more than access? >> well, that is one of the things we were looking at. one of the examples we used was the chairman of wall street investment bank. and he had met with secretary

clinton as part of a large wall street group on one day, and the following day secretary clinton was e-mailing her staff trying to run down a visa issue he raised with her to see where that stood and what was going on with that. >> so the implication there is that at least with regards to that particular meeting, there was some sort of perhaps quid pro quo. >> we don't know the outcome of that. but she certainly was following up on it. >> looking at some of the folks you mentioned in your piece. melinda gates, nobel peace prize winner, senior vp at one of the largest hiv/aids charities in this country. why is it not reasonable to think these types of people should be meeting with the secretary of state? >> what we're looking at is how many of these people were given

to her charity. the issue is what kind of access are the 6,000 donors that have already contributed to the foundation going to have if mrs. clinton is president. >> thank you for coming on. i wanted to make sure we tuned in to one of the folks who broke the story at that time a.p. >> andrea mitchell has been covering the clinton campaign for a long time. >> good to see you. >> a lot of folks had suggested that hillary clinton had pretty much decided she was going to run for president this time around right after she lost in '08. they had to know the foundation was going to be a target. why not have a better plan for how to deal with it. >> they claimed they did have a plan, but you're raising the question that a lot of people, including many friends and allies are also asking why let this fester. it was demanded that they each, bill and hillary clinton, file an ethics understanding to avoid conflicts of interest.

in 2009 the obama general council, the white house council, asked for this. it was supposed to lay out firewalls so clinton foundation donors did not mix with state department business and what eileen and her colleagues at the a.p. laid out is the allegation that there was a lot of mixing. the pushback from the clinton campaign and the state department is, first of all, no proof of quid pro quo. a lot of the e-mails indicate that huma abedin and others pushed back and said we can't have that meeting. it didn't always lead to fruiti fruition. sometimes it did. the other point you were making, others who knew hillary clinton well who were philanthropists, economists, involved in ngos would normally be meeting with secretary of state and others, whether or not they were donors. the gates' donation to the clinton foundation were not that important a piece.

that said, there were a lot of other people, business people, people with interest. one man, victor pin chook, a ukrainian businessman, a well-known washington figure who was actually arranging these meetings, getting him to a private dinner with top officials at the clinton home, that's the kind of thing, the insider status that raises questions. people give to political campaigns so that their phone calls are taken. that is the way business is done. but not when you are also claiming that you were the most transparent in history and you were not going to let lobbyists rule and you are going to be an open book. that's the question that's being raised. >> what's the likelihood that the campaign puts her in front of the traveling press corps today and has her sit and take questions like she did in '94 until there are no more questions to be asked of this? >> that would be great. i hope it happens. i hope it would happen when i'm there. i'm not on the west coast today. she has no public events.

she's just doing her own political fund-raising on this swing through california. she's spending a couple of days with celebrities, justin timberlake and jessica biel and magic johnson and others. there was a whole rally of cape cod and provincetown, ma that's vineyard, nantucket fund-raisers with people like cher entertaining. there was a detroit or michigan-area event that had $50,000 a head donors, with aretha franklin singing "natural woman." this has been quite a round of fund-raising. "the washington post" calculated $32 million in the last days and weeks as she's done the money circuit of both east and west coast. >> we were just showing that video for our viewers at home, theideo of that press conference we were just talking about back in '94. >> we were all a lot younger then.

>> you look about the same, andrea mitchell. thank you so much as always, my friend. "andrea mitchell reports" today at 1:00 eastern. >> 12:00. >> 12:00 eastern. thank you. this new clinton story line giving plenty of ammunition for donald trump, now becoming a major theme at his campaign rallies. >> it is now abundantly clear that the clintons set up a business to profit from public office. they sold access and specific actions by and really for i guess the making of large amounts of money. >> this morning the news from the trump campaign is an eyebrow-raising shift on one of the issues that propelled him to the top of the republican primary heap, immigration. trump now says there can be a, quote, softening on his hard line stance. you might remember at one point the gop said he would deport the millions of immigrants who are

in this country illegally, roughly 11 million of them. in a town hall set to air tonight, he now says he might, quote, soften the laws for many. meanwhile, we've got new reporting on how exactly trump is planning to woo minority voters. a group polling show's heavy resistance to his campaign. jacob rascon, let's start with the story line on immigration. what is he saying now and what has he said from the beginning? >> reporter: right now he's saying a, quote, softening on his stance, is possible. he's talking about those in the country illegally who don't have criminal records who he says have contributed to society. that's quite a departure from the primaries when he said a deportation should round up all 11 million estimated undocumented immigrants in this country. keep in mind he also said that

flexibility was needed for his positions, that they were part of a negotiation. so we shouldn't be too surprised that he now seems to be flexible on this core issue of his. what we know about how this started is last saturday when he met with hispanic activists at trump tower, a lot of them came away talking to the press including nbc news saying they never heard trump talk about undocumented immigrants without criminal records in that way he did during the meeting, and they asked for ideas on what to do with those undocumented. then he had a speech loosely on the books for tomorrow in colorado, apparently about immigration. that speech has now been postponed. instead nbc news has learned he's meeting again with hispanic activists and african-american activists tomorrow at trump tower. that's instead of the speech planned on immigration. nothing official from the campaign yet. the position on the site is still the same.

but the flexibility is clear in his language. >> finally, we've got this new report we were talking about, trump is meeting with african-americans, hispanic leaders tomorrow as well. is this more about actually getting black and brown voters to come across -- to come around rather and vote for donald trump, or is this about giving the impression to perhaps middle of the road white voters that, hey, i'm not a racist? >> reporter: so trump has a narrow path to victory if he wants to win. he knows this. we know this. it is to expand his largely white base. there's no question that he hopes to as well as he sits at 1% or so in the polls with african-american voters, for example, to raise that up a bit. really we know and his campaign has said that he also is trying to combat that. we know that's a central criticism of his campaign. so we know he's going to be campaigning now in more urban areas and bringing the same message we're hearing now to

those areas. craig? >> all right, jacob rascon for us there in florida, thank you so much. let's get back to the breaking news we continue to follow in italy. the devastating and deadly earthquake. nbc's chief correspondent bill neely has made his way there. he's just arrived in the hardest hit of areas. bill, what are you seeing? >> reporter: hello, craig, i'm in amatrice which is almost certainly the hardest-hit town. the latest news is italy's civil protection agency has now announce thad the death toll is 73 and rising with dozens missing and hundreds injured. so 73 is the latest death toll, and most of those, at least 35 are in this town of amatrice. i'm outside one block. we've got a fixed camera, so we can't show you everything.

this block, it's quite old, but there isn't a trace of anything inside. all you can see is the broken masonry, huge chunks of masonry. you can't see any furniture. most of all, you can't see any people. at the back here, just hidden from us now, there were workers on top of this building just a few moments ago searching for survivors in this building, but that is tough. over in this direction, again, we can't show you, but about 50 yards down there there is a devastated church with its tower -- it's probably been there for two, 300 years, but the tower is looking very perilous right now. that is the entrance to the main town here which is devastated. an earth-mover has just moved down that street sending up clouds of dust and dirt. remember this earthquake hit at 20 to 4:00 this morning.

the people of the town were asleep. there are about 2,700 residents here. as i say, they were completely caught unaware. most of the dead and injured in this area are from this town. there are two other towns nearby, and i can see on the horizon two, three helicopters moving across not just to those towns, but also to try and find out how widespread the damage is because there are about 60 hammetlets or small villages completely cut off. the helicopters and rescue teams finding it difficult to get to those villages and they're trying to assess the damage. you can probably see coming behind me all the time, a steady stream of rescue workers. we saw some injured people just a few minutes ago. one lady with a very badly injured face going to the red cross tent up there. this has been greeted with horror across italy. this is an earthquake region.

it is on an earthquake fault line. we're not far here from a town called l'aguila which seven years ago suffered an earthquake with 300 dead. in the other direction is acici where in 1987 there was also an earthquake that killed people. this is on a fault line. people are used to tremors here. historically in this town they've had nothing like this. the mayor has described it as an almost broken town. the pope called off some prayers that he was going to have in rome today to pray specifically for the people of this town and other towns. they have been pulling people out of the rubble. it's not all bad news. there was an elderly man, a young teenage boy. there are photographs of him being pulled from the rubble. but obviously time is absolutely of the essence, and the longer time goes on -- in fact, i can just see someone being taken

out. it's difficult to see whether that is a body on a stretcher or a living human being, but about ten people around that -- yeah, difficult to know whether that's dead or alive. these first 24, 48 hours absolutely crucial. people can survive even in something as horrific as that. obviously the key thing is, if they're in an air pocket, to get them out fast. craig, some terrible scenes here. as i say, people used to the threat of earthquakes in this area, but they've never seen anything quite like this. >> bill neely in amatrice where, again, roughly 12 hours ago an earthquake rattled that small town. the death toll has gone up since we have been on the air. the death toll now standing at 73 with hundreds more hurt. the expectation at this point is that frantic search for survivors, as that search continues, the fear at this

point, the worry is that the death toll will likely climb perhaps considerably there in that mountainous remote region of italy, roughly an hour outside rome. we'll check in with bill in just a bit. when we come back, wheel return to politics. bill clinton slamming trump's failed university. byrne has made millions for these for-profit schools. an nbc news investigation is next. donald trump accusinghill of pay to play. he's said some things in the past that are pretty much the same thing. a look at that later. this is msnbc. technology. technology... say, have you seen all the amazing technology in geico's mobile app? mobile app? look. electronic id cards, emergency roadside service, i can even submit a claim.

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one such school. >> since announcing for president, hillary clinton has been a vocal critic of for-profit universities in general. >> we will crack down on predator schools. >> reporter: and of trump university in particular. >> he is trying the scam america the way he scammed all those people at trump u. >> reporter: but it isn't just donald trump who has profited. for five years bill clinton was the honorary chancellor of the biggest for-profit education company in the world, laureate education, inc. while trump university is not accredited and laureate is, bill clinton was paid an enormous fee, $17.6 million over five years, visiting 19 campuses in 14 countries. the clinton foundation also got between $1 million and $5 million. >> i admire laureate's dedication to helping the next

generation of leaders. >> reporter: stepping down only 12 days before his wife launched her run for presidency. >> there are students who take out loans to pay for an expensive degree from a for-profit institution, only to find little support once they actually enroll. >> reporter: as secretary of state, she praised laureate, writing to her staff that founder doug becker is someone who bill likes a lot and laureate should be included in a state department dinner. they were. over the last three months nbc news has taken a closer look at laureate's u.s. flagship, walden university. more than two dozen students tell us the school misled them, trapping them in staggering amounts of student loan debt. >> the five of you represent a million dollars of student debt? >> yes. >> taken me from a successful career to poverty. >> reporter: these five phd students claim walden's constant churning of faculty and standards caused them to go

further and further in debt, while raking in profits for the university. they're part of a group of 80 students who hope to file a class action lawsuit. >> i had five committee members over the six years. >> reporter: so they kept changing? >> that's part of the scam we're talking about. >> reporter: laureate tells us their program is high quality, vigorous and challenging. a 2012 senate report says walden was perhaps the best of any company examined. laureate and walden declined to give graduation rates for phd candidates but pointed us to three students who said they were satisfied with their experiences, one who got his phd on a full scholarship. >> is it possible you just don't have what it takes to get a phd? >> even then, they should have told us. you don't keep me here. they could have told me. they could have said, you are not cut out for this, have a nice life. >> i have lost everything. i have nothing to lose. >> what would you like bill clinton to know? >> he can forgive our loans.

he can do that because i don't think he would want to be representative of something that basically unfair or unethical. he can't give us back our years, but he can give us back our dignity. >> reporter: bill and hillary clinton declined to comment on these students' allegations. a spokesman for bill clinton said he was pleased to support laureate's mission to expand higher education. while hillary clinton's national spokesperson said all for-profit institutions should be held to the same standards and she intends to crack down on bad actors. >> reporter: one more thing, in addition to earning more than $17 million from laureate, bill clinton was also paid more than $5.5 million by global education management system, the largest operator of k-12 schools in the world headquartered in dubai. >> what do the schools get for, again, $17.5 for laureate and now about $5 million for the

other. what does that buy you? >> i talked to representatives of bill clinton's office yesterday. they said, listen, the president went to 19 campuses in 12 countries. he gave the commencement address at various ones, addressed the students. so he was an active participant, not in creating the programs but in encouraging -- >> sounds like he was a pitchman, perhaps, for these for-profit schools. fascination reporting. cynthia mcfadden, thank you for stopping by. >> thank you. >> donald trump will be rallying in tampa, florida. both he and hillary clinton are courting that state's key swing voters. an important constituent there, military families. who are they leaning toward? nbc's jacob soeb rof is in jacksonville, florida, in the latest installment of what we call up for grabs here. what are they telling you,

jacob? >> reporter: greetings from the water off the third largest navy base in the united states, naval station mayport. this is a critical area for the military vote in florida. that's why we showed up here to talk to folks, both active duty and military about wisconsin they're leaning. here is what they said. >> king fish? >> king mackerel. >> what way is he vote? >> he would want the regulations to stay in place, probably go democrat. >> we've co-existed with the military. the coast guard station is our neighbor and the navy base, the back gate literally backs up to our business. >> do you feel like this area is as important to the election in november as everybody is saying it's going to be? >> yes. >> this is pretty up-for-grabs? >> i would bet it would go towards trump. >> you do? >> i would bet. stronger military.

that's the perception. >> these are your customers you see all the time, right? >> all day long. >> not only your customers, but employees, former military. >> i think there's silent trump going on that wouldn't want to admit it. >> what's your name? >> dave. >> nice meeting you. >> nice to meet you. >> former navy? >> yes, sir. >> what are you make? snapper, haddock, mahi. >> have you decided which way you're going to vote? leaning towards trump. >> former military? >> air force. >> big election, former air force. do you know which way you're going to go yet? >> sure. >> what are you going to do? >> i'm going to vote. >> for? >> for? >> trump. i don't like trump, per se, but i despise hillary more than i despise him. >> why? >> when you don't have the

truth, i have a problem with that. i don't know when to believe you. >> that's my manager, ivan. >> you're a military family. >> military family. >> big election. do you know which way you're going? >> i believe strong military. >> a lot of people leaning donald trump. >> yes. >> would you put yourself in the same category? for you is it because you believe he's going to have a strong military. >> strong military, make america great again. >> you think so? >> reporter: craig, when you look at the nbc news survey monkey poll, donald trump leads hillary clinton amongst military families by ten points. you saw a lot of donald trump supporters at the safe harbor restaurant. i will say active duty folks i talked to off camera were very supportive of hillary clinton. we'll be back there during the lunch hour. base iskly the commissary. we'll talk to some folks live as well. >> you also found another group there that we don't -- based on our polling we don't see a lot of. you saw black donald trump supporters there in florida.

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sitting next to someone with a gun and not even know it. the state's new campus carry law took effect this month. msnbc's chief legal correspondent ari melber is joining me now to break down the law and what it allows students to do and not do as well. >> that's right. this is something a lot of people will care a lot about, if you have a student or family member in this school. it's not open carry which is one of the things we hear about. but it is basically opening the door to having a concealed weapon as long as you have the license that's required under state law. the handguns cannot be banned from classrooms. that means, as long as you do the normal requirement which in this state is to go through some training so that you can say, okay, i've got a gun on me, now you can walk around campus, you can walk in class, walk in all these areas that typically previously would have been more secure and had more restrictions on gun access and carry your

gun. about 214,000 people got these permits last year in the state of texas. this is not everybody, but it's not nobody. >> 214,000 people walking around with guns on campus in texas. >> that's statewide, not all those people on campus. this is not just a side option for a small number of people. in the state of texas you have hundreds of thousands of people who exercise this option. now opening the door, that option will be well available on campus, and the reason to go into the law are the reason it's controversial, protests on campus on both sides of the issue. but some of the concerns and the opponents say, look, a campus is not like the rest of the society. this is a place where students have to feel safe and there has to be some baseline security. proponents, of course, saying you're safer if you have good guys with guns. a debate we've heard a lot. >> chief legal correspondent ari melber, always appreciate the

perspective. i'm joined by professor jennifer glass, one of the three professor who sued to block enforcement of the campus carry law. thigh for your time this morning. let me start by getting your general reaction to the denial. obviously a setback. >> yes. we were very disappointed. we knew this would be a long process and we knew this would just be the first round in what promise to be a long fight. >> you and the other two professors, why did you fight this thing? why is this such a bad idea? >> if you remember, the origin of the handshake, it was designed to allow people to detect weapons on the people they were about to sit down and parlay with. we think classrooms deserve the same kind of consideration. students enter a classroom surrounded by strangers. it's my job to create a safe environment for them to rigorously express their ideas and debate with people who have different ideas and different experiences.

i'm also responsible for evaluating the performance of the students in my class. it's very difficult for students to be open, it's very difficult for me to do my job of evaluation when i never know who could be under extreme stress, who could be angry and who could potentially target myself or others in the classroom, whether there or in subsequent stalking incidents. >> i do want to read for listeners and viewers at home here. this is what texas attorney general ken paxton had to say in a statement released right after the fueling. he says in part, quote, there is simply no legal justification to deny licensed, law-abiding citizens on campus the same measure of personal protection they are entitled to elsewhere in texas. the right to keep and bear arms is guaranteed for all americans, including college students. your response to that and what's been the general reaction there on campus as well? >> well, the state of texas for over a hundred years banned having weapons in places like school rooms, college classrooms

and courtrooms. so that's absolutely not true, that the second amendment gives you an unfettered right to carry your arms wherever and whenever you choose. even in the wild west there were restrictions on where you can bring your guns, like into saloons. we think this is a first among many attempts to expand second amendment rights where they shouldn't be expanded. i don't believe in a concept with a good guy with a gun. there's no scarlet g emblazoned on someone's forehead. what we see is people who are law abiding citizens who are under pressure, bad breakup, a bad grade, frequently turn into bad guys with guns. the same law that protects law abiding citizens the right to carry unfortunately protects the ability of people with mental health issues and students in an extremely vulnerable stage of life, pressure cooker environment where decisions that are going to be made about them

that affect their lives forever are going to be taking place. >> jennifer glass, we would be remiss if we didn't mention this is the same campus that has seen gun violence, just a few years ago, if i remember correctly, there on that campus where we had the gunman there. what was the death toll there? >> yes, 17 people. it was charles whitman and exactly 50 years ago. he was prior to that point a law abiding citizen. he was a veteran trained in the use of firearms. i would like to add that military bases that have the same target population, 18 to 35 years old, do not permit their trained soldiers to conceal carry on a military base. with that level of experience, if the military doesn't think it's a good idea, i don't know why it would be a good idea with mostly untrained people on a college campus. >> jennifer glass, thank you. good luck this school year. >> thank you, craig. we'll go back to central italy next for the latest on the search for survivors there as the death toll continues to climb. right now we just got in some

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drag and watched an elderly man being pulled out of a building. he had been trapped by the legs. rescuers had been trying to get him out for hours. they thought they could, but it's not that easy because sometimes if you're trapped by the legs, toxic poisoning can build up. once you're freed, that toxic poisoning can go up the legs and into the body and kill you, so you can be rescued but still die minutes later or in hospital. there are good news stories. right behind sme a building, might have been a three-story building. frankly, you can't tell. huge chunks of concrete. the one thing you can't see and i can't see right here is any sign of life, not just people, but there's no furniture. there are no tables, no beds. it has all simply been immersed, buried in the huge concrete slabs. you can imagine at 3:40 this morning when people were asleep,

when that stuff starts falling, a three-story building collapses, how difficult it is for anyone to survive. we're on a fixed camera, craig, so i can't move. i will tell you, however, for the last half an hour or so, helicopters have been moving out of here scouring the little isolated hamlets and settlements around here. there are about 60 that are cut off to try and see if there are survivors there. you can see people passing here all the time, rescue workers, people handing out water, people limping. that's one thing i've seen, injured people, lots of people limping who had had very lucky escapes. about a hundred yards up here is the main street of this town which is utterly devastated. there are earth movers, bulldozers in there. always a bad side. in one sense they're clearing a path, but also beginning to unsettle the foundations of buildings.

if there is anyone trapped alive inside the rubble, that is always a very, very dangerous moment for them. there are two other towns close to here that were badly affected. this is on a fault line. so people here have always been aware of the threat of earthquakes. but historically nothing has ever hit this town. there is right in front of me here about 50 yards away, a church that must be 200, 300 years old t. tower is cracked, it is very, very badly damaged. looking around me, the street is filled with police vehicles. another one there, we're right beside a fire truck. everyone here is expecting this death toll to rise. it's 73 at the moment. but there are dozens injured, dozens missing. someone said that there were probably around 70 people missing and trapped in the rubble here, so expect that death toll to rise in the coming hours and possibly days. craig? >> chief global correspondent bill neely on duty for us there

in amatrice where, again, dozens still missing. the death toll right now is at 73. msnbc's senior news editor calipari with me now. we saw dramatic images, terribly sad images as welcoming out of this remote mountainous town. other images coming in as well. >> just coming in as rescuers are arriving. this is a small group of towns up in the mountains. let's keep that in mind. the video is from the forestry service. you'll see a member arriving, telling them to stay calm, making sure they're okay. we're bringing in the earth movers. take a look.

>> this forestry service member telling this person to wait until the rescuers arrive. this will be an ongoing issue. this is about a hundred miles from rome. on a good day, it would take two, two 1/2 hours to get there. add to that many roads are damaged. this is why it's taking such a long time. >> i'll ask you a question, i have to ask you, do we know whether the person in this video was pulled out? >> latest from the forestry service is rescuers were on the scene. it's going to take an earth mover to get the pieces of the bidding off. this service member says in italian, we're not going to do this by hand because these buildings are unstable. you don't want to cause a secondary collapse. >> just to be clear and reenforce what bill neely has been reporting, at this point officials are saying there are dozens, if not hundreds more people who are trapped just like this person here in that building. so this will be the scene that

we see play out over the next few hours, perhaps even few days there in this remote mountainous town called amatrice. >> keep in mind buildings are damaged. that includes the hospital. >> a valid point. cal perry, thank you so much. when we come back, we'll take a look at donald trump hammering hillary clinton for an alleged play-ay to play scheme. we'll talk about the other side of political favors next. >> this seattle-based husband and wife bail bond team, gale and danny baron rarely get it wrong. with over 30 years in the pr business, they share their

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first gop primary debate last august. >> i gave to many people before this, before two months ago, i was a businessman. i give to everybody. when they call, i give. when i need something from them two years later, three years later, i call them. they are there for me. >> that's about a year ago, right an nonsing hismental run, trump telling the "wall street journal," quote, as a businessman and very substantial donor to very important people, when they give, they do whatever the hell you want them to do. with me now, peter nicholas of the "wall street journal" who wrote that piece. thanks for being with us this morning. let's start with this idea, the notion of trump giving money to people to get access. how is what he is accusing hillary clinton of doing, how is it different from what he's admitted to doing in the past? >> he's saying he was a full participant in the system, he gave money to politicians, curried favor with them, invited hillary and bill clinton to his wedding. he did that for one purpose, he

was being transactional, wanted support for his various business projects. what he's saying is he may be an imperfect messenger, but because he knows how it works, he as president could put a stop to it. he said he understands how pernicious it is and point ag finger directly at hillary clinton saying she also went along with this. the difference is he's saying it's wrong, he's willing to stop. he's saying she's not. >> when you talk to trump and he told you about giving to people and getting these people to do whatever he wanted them to dorks wh , /* do, what did he mean by ha? did he give an example of what he's gotten from politicians? >> he didn't talk specifically about what he got in return. he was pretty forthcoming about the fact that these contributions were made not because of any particular support for a politician's agenda, because he liked them on a personal basis that, these

were just business transactions, and as a smart businessman who had money and resources, he was going to take advantage of this pay-for-play system. >> how is the clinton foundation relationsh relationship, how is this different from common practice in politics since the beginning of politics? >> i'm not sure what is different except the mood in the country might be what's different. people are really fed up with this and are saying the system is rigged, and people with donations, making donations to the clinton foundation, they might have access to the secretary of state, hillary clinton. >> peter nicholas, a fascinating read. we wanted to have you on to talk about it. thank you so much for your time, sir. >> thank you. >> that's going to wrap up this hour of "msnbc live." my colleague tamron hall is in the house. >> thank you, craig.

pleasure of seeing you. right now on msnbc, the clinton campaign is pushing back on those pay-to-play allegations after an a.p. report alleges clinton foundation donors met with hillary clinton while secretary of state many times, and the campaign is calling the assertion outrageous. and this as the trump campaign tells our campaign reporters that donald trump is going to reach out to minority communities trying to shed an image many have called racist. breaking this morning, a powerful earthquake hit central italy killing nearly 80 people. we're live on the scene where rescue efforts are under way now, with new images coming out of italy. later, brace yourself. one of the most heartwarming stories i think you'll see. i'll talk live with a remarkable 9-year-old boy who has been making the rounds after receiving a double hand transplant. wait until you hear hirs advice to all of us, the adults out there listening.

good morning. i'm tamron hall coming to you live from msnbc headquarters. hillary clinton's campaign is pushing back hard this morning against an associated press report that raises new questions about whether clinton foundation donors got special access while she was secretary of state. the associated press is reporting that at least 85 of 154 people from private interests who met or had phone conversations with then secretary clinton had donated to her family's charities. combine those 85 donors, contributing as much as $156 million. that's the dollar figure they all contributed together. at least 40 donated more than $100,000 each while 20 gave more than a million dollars. on "morning joe" hillary clinton's campaign manager robby mook accused the associated press of cherry picking data. >> by our count there were 1700 other meetings she had. she was