they have no public events on the calendar today. it is friday. we thank you so much for being with us. and enjoy that weekend. i'm frances rivera alongside luis burgdorf. "morning joe" starts right now. >> so no one should have any illusions about what is really going on here. the names may have changed. racists now call themselves racialests. white supremacists now call themselves white nationanationa. alt-right, and now trump is trying to rebrand himself, as well. don't be fooled. good morning. it is friday, august 26th. we have a big show in store for you this morning. hillary clinton will be our guest this morning for an exclusive interview. she's going to join us live at 8:30 eastern. joe is actually off today, but he is going to join us on his day off for that big interview.

before that, tons of news to bring you. with you on set we have legendary columnist and msnbc contributor, mike barnicle. former communication director for george w. bush -- >> it stuck. >> not old. >> nicolle wallace. we're doing vinegar hill music theater. >> you and joe are doing. you are sold out with a waiting list, i hear. breaking news from kennebunkp t kennebunkport. >> meacham will be there, too. >> well, meacham is going to be there, too. john meacham. i'm so interested in it. i'm so excited about it and i love music theater, by the way. whatever we can do. the host of msnbc "politics nation" and president of the national action network al reverend. also with us and associate editor of "washington post" and

msnbc political analyst, eugene robinson. all right. >> i'm going to use my nicolle card to come up to kennebunkport. >> you don't need it. everyone's welcome. >> there was a march on bush and now i'm coming to join. >> i would love it. >> we're all softening. >> as president bush once said, it is kinder and gentler all over the place. >> exactly. >> we have never -- >> the enemy of my enemy is my friend. >> mike, you just said it. -- >> we have never been here before. >> and i hope we don't return. >> let's see where it goes to. hillary clinton opened her speech in reno talking about jobs and small businesses, but she spent little time on the subject. quickly shifting to donald trump. she called his message to the black community in recent days, insulting. and said he doesn't have the solutions to take on systemic racism. and she went much farther in her

explanation of how he has exploited the alt-right to fuel his campaign. >> from the start, donald trump has built his campaign on prejudice and paranoia. he is taking hate groups main stream and helping a radical fringe take over the republican party. trump is reinforcing harmful stereotypes. and offering a dog whistle to his most hateful supporters. it's a disturbing preview of what kind of president he'd be. now, all of this adds up to something we have never seen before. there's always been a paranoid fringe in our politics, but it's never had the nominee of a major party stoking it, encouraging it and giving it a national mega phone until now.

my friends, this is a moment of reckoning for every republican dismay. the party of lincoln has become the party of trump. 20 years ago when bob dole accepted the republican nomination, he pointed to the exits in the convention hall and told any racist in the party to get out. the week after 9/11, george w. bush went to a mosque and declared for everyone to hear that muslims love america just as much as i do. in 2008, john mccain told his own supporters that they were wrong about the man he was trying to defeat. senator mccain made sure that they knew barack obama, he said, is an american citizen and a decent person. we need that kind of leadership again. >> by the way, the ageism going on in senator main's race is

another big story we're going to get to. it's unbelievable what his opponents said on msnbc yesterday. first, eugene robinson. a moment of reckoning. do you agree? what do you think of hillary clinton's speech? >> i thought it was a very powerful speech, actually. and it was, she read it more like an indictment. it was very level. built on point and she essentially said this is something new. this is not, this is not the republican party you knew from even just a few years ago. this is something different and something dangerous. and, you know, i mean, you know my view of what's happened this year. i think, you know, not long ago i had a very friendly chummy conversation with george w. bush whom i was somewhat critical when he was president. >> i saw that.

i'm a witness to that. >> meacham was there. >> it was remarkable. >> the feeling was, we're both in this together. >> before her speech, the clinton campaign also put out a web video. let's take a look at this. it talked about linking the trump campaign to white supremacists. take a look. >> the reason a lot of clan members like donald trump is because a lot of what he believes we believe in. >> donald trump will be best for the job. >> for president. >> yeah. >> i'm farmer and white nationalist. support donald trump. >> sending out all the illegals and building a wall and a moratorium on immigration. >> running against donald trump at this point is really treason to your heritage. >> will you unequivocally condemn david duke? >> i don't know anything about white supremacists. so i don't know. >> tinges of racism at the very

least, reverend al, throughout the trump campaign. maybe even gaps into it. he now is calling hillary clinton a bigot. take it from there. >> you know, i think that mrs. clinton's speech really hit it right on the head yesterday. because i think what she raised is the fact that there are boundaries in politics. and that even if we disagree, you don't go beyond certain bounds. and he has no boundaries. >> beyond the boundaries. >> and he has consciously done that. when you compare mccain or bush, who i disagreed with, but there were boundaries. they said, no, we're not allowing this. he has allowed it. he has played to it and he knows better. and the reason i'm saying he knows better is he's not conducted himself like that throughout his career. he has done that, he's played to an element that he knows. in 2003, i gave alex a photo.

donald trump came to my convention and national action network with geraldine furnando and cut the ribbon. he wants to run the campaign that way. and chooses to lay with these kinds of people and this kind of element. i think it's the most cynical and insulting play on the american public. >> to use his word, mike barnicle, sad, exclamation point, end caps. >> yesterday as he tries to walk himself back towards some sort of the middle in his mind, both on immigration and on race, he had a meeting yesterday over at trump tower with several purported african-american leaders. let me ask you in the past couple of weeks on at least two occasions, donald trump has stood before what appears to be the admissions committee of augusta national golf club and

asked the question about african-americans in this country. vote for him. what do you have to lose? that's what he asks. so i'm asking you. what would you have to lose? >> you'd have to lose an ongoing progression towards our fights around equality whether it's in the economy, whether it's in education, whether it's in the criminal justice system. the real question that donald trump ought to be answering rather than asking is what is he proposing. do we know what he is proposing to african-americans? i hope some of the african-american republican leaders said, what is your plan? if you say you're new, what is your new plan? what are you going to do about the economic conditions? what are you going to do about criminal justice, education? you can't slogan your way into trying to get people to vote for you. my mother and father were republicans. they turned democrat because the democratic party supported the civil rights movement. we are not just stupid that we

just we're going to do 90% democrats. we are as intelligent as any in america. we vote our interests. what is the interest you're giving us, mr. trump? you've been in business for 40 years. show us the level of equality in your employment practices. show us the contacts you've given blacks and latinos in terms of your building and your cuke casinos and all. give us your record and tell us your plan. >> as mike mentioned, donald trump spent the morning meeting with millennial republican leaders in his new york offices and later he met hillary clinton's speech head on before she delivered it. during a rally in new hampshire he called her speech, "one of the most brazen attempts at distraction in the history of politics." >> it's a movement, folks. like they've never seen before.

and don't accuse decent americans who support this campaign, your campaign of being racists, which we're not. it's the oldest play in the democratic playbook. when democratic policies fail, they are left with only this one tired argument. you're racist. you're racist. they keep saying it. you're racist. they keep going back to the same well. but you know what, the people are becoming very smart. they've heard it it too many times before. the well is dry. the well is dry. >> she's trying to turn this around on you now saying you're bringing a hate movement. do you want white supremsts.

>> thwe want our country to be strong, again. >> you called her a bigot. >> she is bagt. you look at what's happening to inner cities and african-americans and hispanics in this country. >> how is she a bigot? bigot is having hatred towards a -- >> she's not doing anything for those communities. she talks a good game. >>ia think she has hatred. >> her policies are bigoted because she knows they're not going to work. >> personally bigoted. >> of course she is. they're her policies. she comes out with the policies and others that believe like she does, also. look at the poverty. look at the rise in poverty. look at the rise in violence. >> hatred is at the core of that? >> maybe she's lazy. i don't know what it is. >> we're just talking off set. i just have to say it. donald trump, you have no idea

what your words mean. you have no idea. you have no idea what your words mean. and i can't pretend and sort of try and cover this fairly and put it in the veil of objecti objectivi objectivity. you have no idea what your words mean and what you're doing to this country. >> and to the republican party. i mean, where we started was hillary clinton's speech last night. and i watched it, like you just said, objectively. and then when she invoked. i was with george bush the day he went to the mosque and i was ten feet away from john mccain when he -- >> when he did the right thing. whether we agree with him or not, he is a human being who knows between right and wrong. >> i thought, he doesn't care what happens. he's worried about the country.

i worked for ken malmann when he ran the rnc and his biggest effort is to make the republican case to broader audiences. it's not just what he's dag. it's what he's done to the republican party. i think we should enter this black box phase where we crashed. this is our nominee. >> i think nicolle's point is important. we need a debate in this country. we want the debate between the democrats and republicans that could appeal to african-american voters. we need women to have that debate. we don't need -- >> gene, jump in. >> reverend al is absolutely right. it would be great if the republican party actively competed for african-american votes and for hispanic votes and presented policies that the community could look at and evaluate and say, maybe this is a good idea. maybe this is a better idea.

whatever. so, i just long for that day. i just wanted to point out one thing just to put this whole trump thing in context. in her 20s, hillary clinton went to the south to fight school segregation and in his 20s donald trump was being sued along with his father for refusing to rent apartments to african-americans. there is a bit of a contrast there. >> it's a slight contest. but nothing is funny at this point any more. >> go ahead, mike. >> let me ask you, we sit here every day and we talk about trump versus clinton and it's cable chatter. and politics. but across the great sweep of history, has there ever been a moment when a candidate of a major political party has opened the door to a donald trump seesp to have opened the door to. >> this is a matter of degree, probably not of kind.

if you were making a democratic case, upper case, you can argue there were forces that were unleashed in 1964. when the nominee of the republican party opposed the 1964 civil rights act. let's remember this. of course, white democrats at the same time were filibustering that bill. this is an american dilemma. not just a partisan dilemma. when president johnson signed the civil rights act in 1964 he turned to an aide and said i just handed the south. it's been two. even in the wreckage of this, trump is going to carry, i would imagine, the states that george wallace carried in the hard core south where i come from. so, this is an ongoing conversation. it's an ongoing phenomenon. i think what is different is that in senator goldwater's case and president nixon's case and president reagan's case and

senator mccain's case and governor romney's case and i think secretary clinton should have mentioned the last nominee of the republican party has attacked this republican nominee and did so early. all of those figures had a vision for the country beyond this ideology. beyond this weird often racist force. that's the difference. trump is an empty vessel and this is what's filling it. >> so, as hillary clinton challenges donald trump to distance himself from extremists and violent rhetoric, the republican nominee his top veteran suggestion that hillary clinton should be over classified information on her e-mail server. are you kidding me? i mean, this actually happened. the adviser has refused to apologize for the statement. even repeated it in recent days.

and yesterday trump was asked about it. >> the state rep is here today. he said some controversial things over the last month or two about hillary clinton suggesting she should be put in front of a firing squad for treason. what do you think about his comments? >> i didn't know that. but i will tell you, he is a very fine person. he is a person that loves the military and he loves the veterans. >> so you don't condone any comments? >> you'd have to show me what he said. >> trump's claim that he "didn't know what he said" comes despite the fact that the u.s. secret service is conducting an investigation into the comments. and his campaign spokesperson tells wmur in july that trump does not agree with what was said and in an interview just last week, a massachusetts newspaper asked paul whether he had spoken to trump about his views while baldasaro said he

had. either he is lying or this is the worst run presidential campaign in, i don't even want to say recent history. >> i think there is a base line here we should establish. which is if you can't disavow a statement that talks about the shooting of your opponent, you should just get off the ballot. >> get off. >> res have and extend your comments off of my question. >> yeah. >> this should be a winnable election. >> tripped him up before. >> paul ryan, mitch mcconnell, republican leaders. we don't want to win this way, democrats. i'm a democrat. not pleased about this. i really don't want to add any type of emotional or political fury into this. this is not the way we want to win. but hillary clinton needs to win this election because this is sick. and all of you need to come clean, get a spine, do what's right. do what's right.

everything that just happened. how can you endorse this candidate? how can you look in the mirror or look at your constituents no matter what you have to pander to. how can you endorse this candidate? >> and i think to add to meacham if there is any way possible you can add to the historian mr. meacham. all of this is done when you had such hope that america had moved forward because the only thing i would add to him is that the difference now is that we just had elected and re-elected a black president. to come behind that. to come behind this monumental achievement of american history. though, i don't believe we're in a post-racial generation, we did then. to answer that with the most racist kind of campaign is absolutely something. we for the first time could tell our children, you could become president. and this follows. imagine what we're doing to the future of the country, both

parties. >> how did he get -- besides the apprentice, what was his political baptism? it starts there and it may end there. >> he could have done so much with this. >> this is pretty depressing. >> this is so disappointing and so discouraging. he could have done so much good. still ahead on "morning joe" a live exclusive interview with presidential candidate hillary clinton. plus, donald trump's latest comments on immigration have some conservatives crying foul and others simply laughing. we'll explain that. also ahead -- >> you feel comfortable diagn e diagnosing him on air like this? >> diagnosing him as an 80-year-old man? yes, i do. >> age is just a number, unless it's the arizona republican primary. that was unbelievable. that was unbelievable. we have much more -- >> i couldn't keep up with that man.

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>> let's not spend too much time talking about this because he could change by noon today or he could change in a tweet 15 minutes from now. >> that was joe yesterday after a 48-hour odyssey in which donald trump moved towards a self-described softening. the republican nominee reverted back to his position to deport for millions of people in the united states without documentation. so, i think, joe, little off. it was a few hours. >> it was noon mountain. >> that interview was done in the morning. >> let's be clear. there is no policy here. >> thank you. john meacham, thank you. >> that's my point. >> just reacting. >> we are covering two campaigns

clinton versus trump and the more interesting campaign. the one that is more interesting is trump versus trump. two campaigns. trump versus trump. >> good point. >> so, anderson cooper has a show called ac-360. it's perfect. that's what trump did literally on his show leaving ambiguity about his policy. >> first, i want to see what's going to happen. we're going to deport many, many people. >> the vast majority are not from here. >> we're going to find out who they are. >> if they haven't committed a crime, is there going to be a path to legalization? >> no, there's no path to legalization. we talked about paying taxes. when they come back in, if they come back in, then they can start paying taxes. >> but no path to legalization. >> so, if you haven't committed a crime and you've been here for

15 years and you have a family here, a job here, will you be deported? >> we're going to see what happens once we strengthen up our border. there is a very good chance, yes, we'll see what happens. >> i'm handing you this word softening and even last night on hannah you talked about -- >> i don't think it's softening. i had people say it's a hardening, actually. >> you know what, so they're going to do that, really? confused? perhaps trump's spokesperson katrina pierson. yeah, this is going to be good because she always makes a lot of sense can explain his position to you. here she is. >> he hasn't changed his position on immigration. he changed the words that he is saying. what he has always said from the beginnin beginning that he does not want people to stay in this country illegally. it is the how. if they're here illegally.

>> now a deportation force. now he is shifting. katrina, there is a definite, different message that we're hearing now. >> not a different message. he's using different words to give that message. >> yes is a different word than no. it also is the opposite. i mean, what do you mean he's using different words. he's using different words because he changed what he said. but the problem is, there's no policy. we are debating somebody who stands for no policy. >> the problem is that he introduced the concept of softening. that was a gotcha question from anderson cooper. i watched the two town halls this week from sean hannity and trump introduced the concept of softening. so, the idea that we're sort of catching him or tricking him, this was his own announcement when he could soften his position. >> let me help you out.

generobinson this is the campaign about nothing. >> he doesn't have any positions or policies. all he has is words. the words are ever changing. the words depend on what audiences he's talking about. you know, five seconds earlier. what kind of reaction he got to the last off the wall thing he said. that's the campaign. it is a seinfeld campaign. it's about nothing. it is about nothing. it is about him. something about -- >> weighing in on donald trump's latest immigration stance after some voters said it seems to resemble the position in the primaries. >> i don't know what to believe about a guy who doesn't believe in things. this is all a game. he doesn't, his views will change based on the feedback he

gets from a crowd or, you know, what he thinks he has to do. life is too complex. for me, i couldn't do that. i have to believe what i believe and if it's popular great, if it's not, i try to get better presenting my views. but shifting my views because it's political to do it, that's what politicians do in this country. that's what trump is trying to do right now. >> i think, you know, the governor is exactly right. and i think we shouldn't say this is about nothing. because this is the republican nominee. he is taking a great and noble party into the ground. not enough republicans have pushed back. but i think that comes, you know, that's coming. and i think, you know, you look at something like governor bush just said and, you know, he looks like aristotle. there's a reason, clear, understanding. >> this is what he said to me. when i talked to him, he said the tragedy of trump's candidacy is that there will be no wall.

what he has promised -- there is a scene in "american president" people are so hungry for leadership they'll crawl towards the mirage and when they realize it is the mirage, they will eat the sand. coming up trump supporter pastor mark burns who was in yesterday's meeting of minority republican leaders at trump tower. plus, ageism and the arizona senate primary. "morning joe" is coming right back.

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34 past the hour. just days until the primary and behind in the polls. senator john mccain republican challenger is going there in terms of bringing up his age. on wednesday kelly ward told politico, i'm a doctor and the life expectancy of the american male is not 86, it's less. so, she's saying he's going to die in office. what? wow. now, that's sick. someone needs to take her diagnose and here she is talking to chuck todd yesterday doubling down. >> i'm actually the only republican that can win in the general election. john mccain has fallen down on the job. he has gotten weak, he has gotten old. i do want to wish him a happy birthday. he is going to be 80 on monday and i want to give him the best

birthday present ever, the gift of retirement. >> you think he's too old to serve in the senate? >> you know, i think anybody who has been in washington for almost 40 years has been there too long. >> you brought up his age. that's a tough attack. >> well, i mean, i'm a physician. i see the physiological changes that happen in patients again and again in the last 25 years. i do know what happens to the body and the mind at the end of life. >> you feel comfortable diagnosing him on air like this? >> diagnosing him as an 80-year-old man, yes, i do. >> i feel like she was speaking for, remember when sarah palin went after obama care. i mean, it's ludicrous. i work for john mccain. he's one of the most tireless individual. you can't keep up with john mccain. he goes and goes and goes. and i'm guessing she has nothing

else, if this is the case she's making. >> ask the north vietnamese. >> i mean, can you imagine if somebody brought up a woman's physiology and the changes that a woman goes through in life. and translate. i mean -- >> mayor giuliani. >> so much could be said that is just useless and that was really bad. that was low. >> nothing else. >> that was pathetic. >> you really have no reason to be running. you have no policy, no statements. so, you need a cheap way out. age. >> please tell me she doesn't see patients. senator mccain dismissed ward's attacks telling politico it is a "dive to the bottom." the latest numbers on that primary race shows mccain with a hefty 26% lead over his challenger. >> there you go. >> the primary is tuesday.

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working americans, white americans is weakening. >> clinton had said a few years ago this guy would have been getting us coffee. >> i am not a racist. >> this whole thing -- >> that was a web video posted to donald trump's, pastor mark burns. he spoke at the republican national convention and took part in yesterday's leadership initiative at trump tower. how did that meeting go? are you hopeful that -- i don't even know what to ask, actually. your candidate is saying things. >> have you all healed? >> i believe, without a doubt, mr. trump truly, truly wants to be a president for all americans. and i know without question

there has been some language that has been controversial. but tasome americans, but i believe we just really in a very racially divided country right now and i think it's just so imperative. >> do you think your candidate has anything to do with that? >> i think it's imperative that all leaders on both sides bring the healing. >> do you think your candidate has anything to do with the divisiveness, especially the racial undertones that we're seeing right now. >> i think what you're seeing is a frustration that has been building for years. i mean, this is not nothing that is brand-new. it's not nothing that just all of a sudden created. i think this is something that aphfrican-americans have been dealing with since the beginning. >> where you come from when he made the comments about the judge saying he, was that racist

or not? i just want to know if that is racist or not. i need to know where you stand on things in terms of reality. so, were those comments racist or not? >> i think it's important to understand. i think if i was in mr. trump's shoes and i had a very controversial policy that off d offended many millions of, potentially millions of hispanic people. >> you know he was born -- were the comments racist or not? >> let me finish my statement or not. >> i'm asking for the answer to the question and not a statement. >> let me give you my answer the way i would give it to you so we can move forward. we're telling the story. >> it's yes or no. >> i think if i was in mr. trump's shoes. i don't think it is racist. i understand what real racism is. let me just say this. i am from the south. i'm a black man from the deep south, okay. in south carolina, just two months ago, they reraised the

confederate flag to celebrate its one year removal. for you to sit here and ask me if i don't know what real racism is. >> and i think that you're right to condemn the reraising of the confederate flag and i think that a black man from south carolina who is a republican. your senator said that donald trump's statement was racist. and i think that we can agree or disagree. some things i disagree with mrs. clinton about. i think we lose the moral imperative if we start saying that something that is green is red. what he said was racist. the man, the man's nationality wasn't even, but even if it was, it was racist. there are things that the clintons have done that i disagree with. i think the real issue i have with mr. trump and i respect you and some of the ministers that were there yesterday. it is not about you and not

about ben carson. but for donald trump to say to black americans, try something new, he needs to tell us what new is. >> absolutely. >> what is the policy? >> absolutely. >> why did he come out against the confederate flag? why didn't he come out and deal with the charleston nine? where is his policy? >> again, i'm not the politician, reverend al. >> we all met yesterday, what did he say? >> we did talk clearly in this group of leaders, these leaders told mr. trump the two greatest issues that they believe hispanics and african-americans believe what were the greatest issues within our community. number one, it was education. we can't get the jobs unless we're properly trained. they all agree and echo to mr. trump that the importance of allowing parents to choose the schools that they can attend because a child that is born in underprivileged, underperforming community, their children are

more likely to not succeed because of the educational policies within that school. and right now, we have a system that is forcing those children to stay within those underprivileged, under performing academic policies. they're already lost before they're gone. >> the education policy is therefore what? >> it's obvious. it's pretty clear, reverend al, to give parents the opportunity to choose the schools that their children should attend. that's a policy all by itself that we currently don't have. there should be more charter schools. there should be more magnet schools and we should allow schools to compete. >> so, donald trump wants to be the president of the united states. >> so, let me finish my statement. so, now, it's allowing schools who are underprivileged to raise up the bar or they close down. either way, children are getting

the highest level. >> donald trump, therefore, is saying that i as president of the united states who would be over the department of education's answer is outside of the public school system. he is over the public school system if he's president. when this present president had newt gingrich, a right winger and i tour the country on this where donaaw donald trump have would that? donald trump has not come forward as education policy as president of the united states. that's what you all say. fine, that's good. that's not a policy. >> i think it's important, reverend al, is the power of the people is important. not the individual. i think we have lost the power of the voice of the people. if the people are declaring to the president or the politicians, this is what we want. it shouldn't be dictated by an individual. >> but you let the individual execute the policy. otherwise we'll have an

election. >> you just got finished saying you're waiting for donald trump to say x, y, z. the power of the people already said it. the people -- >> i don't need him to tell me to vote for him and then he tells me the power the people. i need him to tell me why i should vote for him. >> very clear. listen, donald trump's critics are going to do what donald trump's critics do. that is to criticize every single thing that he does without -- >> we just want to know what the policies are. >> without really -- >> can i ask you one more time? i just want to understand where this phase is. it sounds like he was listening to you. can you just tell us where he is. is he crafting an education policy based on what you told him yesterday? are we jumping ahead? is he still working on it and listening to you? >> his senior policy adviser. i'm not his policy adviser. we had a sounding board meeting.

>> he listened? >> he absolutely listened. so many notes that were taken. he was engaging to the african-americans and muslim americans and the hispanic americans and they were poring their heart out and he was taking in every single thing we were saying. >> i just want to first point out that i am also a black man from south carolina. i have a somewhat different view of mr. trump. i want to get back to reverend al's question about policy because we hear words from donald trump. but we don't hear policy. how can you support him and tell us that he would do such a great job as president if you had no idea what he would do. if you have no idea how he's going to make the education reforms that you want. if you have no idea what he's going to do about anything because he doesn't have any policies. how do you do that? >> well, for me, it's really easy.

it's a spiritual inclination. every decision you make is based off of what you value the most. what i value the most is conn t connected. for me, life begins at conception. i preach that, i teach that. for me, it does not begin at birth. so, it would be very difficult for me, personally, to support any candidate or any party that will support the death of millions of babies enthis country. for me, that's a problem. and then, also, for the sanctity of marriage. for me, again -- >> cultural issues. >> spiritual. religious issue. >> reverend, i have a very simple question. do you believe donald trump's description of black life in america that you're going to get shot walking down the street and that you're never going to have a shot at a good job. that your kids are screwed in terms of the future and unemployment is approaching 60% and that hillary clinton is a

bigot? >> do you agree with that? >> i agree the fact that the black people are not where we need to be in this country. i agree that this system that we currently have has not been good for african-americans in this country. >> do you aee hillary clinton is a bigot? >> that is a question, could we have the answer. >> what is more important -- >> actually, no, the answer is what we're looking for. >> that doesn't help one black person get a job. >> he called hillary a bigot. >> he called hillary a bigot. >> declaring whether or not i agree if she's a bigot or not. so, why we are here on national television. this wonderful time. we should be discussing how that young mom who don't have a job -- >> that's exactly what we ought to be discussing. but he's not discussing that. >> brought up that she was a bigot. >> i asked you what his policy is. >> i can talk about -- >> give me a candidate --

>> you're saying, though, that your connection to him is on these cultural issues. >> spiritual matter. absolutely. >> but on the other things, would you see that he has a way to go? >> i could just declare that i know the man and i know his heart. i have the wonderful opportunity to know him personally. let me just -- he said his basis is spiritual. >> absolutely. >> we can agree, you should bring him to church and we can bring her to the white house. thank you. >> thank you. >> pastor burns, thank you very much. when the conversation continues, pastor burns joins reverend sharpton on "politics nation." >> two preachers sunday morning. >> right here on msnbc. still ahead, hillary clinton will join us for an exclusive interview at 8:30 eastern time this morning. and next hour, nbc political director chuck todd joins the conversation. "morning joe" is back in a moment.

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>> he says he wants to make america great, again. but more and more it seems as though his real message seems to be make america hate, again. >> she's trying to turn this around on you now. you're bringing a hate movement main stream. do you want white supremacists to vote for you? >> no. this is not about hate, this is about love. welcome back to "morning joe." it's friday. hillary clinton is going to be our guest in an exclusive interview. she'll join us live at 8:30 eastern and, joe, actually off today. performing tonight at vinegar hill at kennebunkport is going to join us on his day off for

that big interview. with us on set, msnbc contributor mike barnicle and jon meacham and kasie hunt host of "politics nation" reverend al sharpton. pulitzer prize winning columnist eugene robinson and publisher and journalist ray suarez. we need to hear a lot of voices today to make sense of what is going on. i have to tell you the last hour, meacham, has been hard to explain. >> the whole thing is hard to explain. you're trying to explain a vacuum that is being fill would the extremist ideology of the far, far right. i guess the alt-right we're supposed to call it now. >> alt-right. a moment where politics feels particularly frustrating because questions about our economic

growth and our position in the world and we're having a campaign that is about extremist remarks and we're trying to deal with the health of the main stream. >> to say the least, i think, also scary. frightening. so, to that point, speaking of the alt-right. in a blistering speech, hillary clinton went after donald trump and accused him of stoking bigotry in america. she called his message to the black community in recent days, insulting. and said he doesn't have the solutions to take on systemic racism. but she went much farther in her explanation of how he has embraced the so-called alt-right to fuel his campaign. >> there has been a steady stream of bigotry coming from him. this is someone who retweets white supremacists online like the user who goes by the name white genocide tm. his campaign famously posted an

antisumettic image and a star of david imposed over a sea of dollar bills that first appeared on white supremacist websites. you remember he said thousands in new jersey cheered the 9/11 attacks. they didn't. he suggested that ted cruz's father was involved in the kennedy assassination. and there is absolutely, of course, no evidence of that. but, my friends, this is what happens when you treat the national enquirer like gospel. nay said in october i'd be dead in six months. it's also what happens when you listen to the radio host alex jones. he even said the victims of the sandy hook massacre were child actors. and no one was actually killed there. i don't know what happens in

somebody's mind or how dark their heart must be to say things like that. but trump doesn't challenge these lies. he actually went on jones' show and said, your reputation is amazing. i will not let you down. >> kasie hunt, you were there. tell us more about it. it was an incredible speech. blistering to say the least. >> there was a point in the speech where she focused on part of the reason we're talking about this. she read through a list of headlines that they published recently to gasps in the room. and i do think one thing that's important to note about here from a political perspective, is that this speech was really about republicans. there were moments in the speech when she talked about how this is the point where you have to choose between the party of lincoln and the party of trump. we don't often hear clintons talk in a positive way about republicans. the things that i'm outlining

today, they are not republican. they are not conservative. this is a whole other thing we're grappling with. there is a statement that landed in my e-mail inbox afterward from one of these groups and the first thing she said, we don't think it was a member of the alt-right but then went on to outline how they define the alternative right and one of the lines in the statement says that there is very broad overlap between the races, but they differ in average levels of intelligence and other traits. that is the alt-right. >> i think that the problem is why i felt mrs. clinton's speech yesterday was so important is that someone who had been involved in civil rights all my life it is frightening that we now see and mike has brought this up. the main streaming of the most hateful kind of character s and

messages in this country. i fear for where this could go. and i think that we can see people get legitimacy that are really on the fringe that have come with the most bigoted, racist, hateful, homphobic stuff which is why she was right to appeal. >> this is beyond party and frightening and dangerous. you know, for calling on republican leaders to come clean and have a spine and do what's right, even though it costs them. i think we have to also not mince words and not be afraid at what might happen. not be afraid of sounding shrill or getting tweeted at. we have to say what we see. we're analysts. we're supposed to prognosticate and translate and cover. and this is wrong what's

happening. ray suarez, how do we put into perspective without losing a sense of objectivity and covering this election and how do we give a sense or perspective as to where, at least on the republican side, where this race has gone. >> well, you have to do is "what people actually say." part of the power of last night's speech, and it will be interesting to see if it has any legs going forward is that she didn't indulge in hiprbly and it is hard if there is no smoke to give a speech about fire. she gave a long speech about fire and then gave you pictures of it. when donald trump tweets out, for instance, "the fact" that almost all the white murder victims in america and there is

almost no blow back after it turns out to be sourced from a hard right site. sourced from a racist site. this was just a question of time until it would be a critical mass of these points. and then she read the litany last night. >> she described it. and we just had, while you were speaking, one of her quotes that what donald trump is doing is sinister. is that fair? is that true? >> i don't know about sinister. i'm stunned if anyone actually close to him ran a campaign before thinks this is going to work. the old bag of tricks is to keep people like bannon on your side, but at one or two arms length removed. so, you can get his creepy energy, but also have plausible denibiabl deniably. to make a campaign chairman is something of a totally different

order. >> mike barnicle. >> ben, i want to ask you something about donald trump himself. when you watch him, when you cover him, do you get the impression that we're watching someone? here's where iu'm coming from. we're trying to decipher what we say donald trump thinks because i don't think he thinks, i think he just reacts to things. i think that's what we have, that's what we're looking at. that's what we see in each and every day. do you agree with that assessment? >> i think he is very reactive and he looks at what is in front of him and responds to it. i want to sound a little bit contrarrian note to what you all have been saying this morning. much of what i agree with. hillary clinton needs to be careful here. there is plenty of material that trump himself has given you that you can work with when you're making this case. the harder case to be made is to say that trump is just like alex jones. that he is just like a breitbart

comm commenter. who view him in positive terms because of his economic message. what is going on here is winning the white suburbanites and keeping them open to the idea. the more he becomes unacceptable to them, the more hillary clinton can win over the suburbanites that had gone for mitt romney last time around. you see candidates like rob portman running 13 points ahead of trump in ohio because he's still winning those voters and as long as those voters are closed off to trump, i think he's going to have a very hard time. >> we'll go meacham to kasie to gene. during a rally in new hampshire, he preemptively called her speech, one of the most brazen attempts at distraction in the history of politics. >> it's a movement, folks.

like they've never seen before. and don't accuse decent americans who support this campaign, your campaign of being racists, which we're not. it's the oldest play in the democratic playbook. when democratic policies fail, they are left with only this one tired argument. you're racist, you're racist, you're racist. they keep saying it. you're racist. they keep going back to the same well. but you know what, the people are becoming very smart. they've heard it too many times before. the well is dry. the well is dry. >> you directly called her a bigot. >> she is a bigot. you look at what's happening to

the inner cities. you look at what's happening to african-americans and hispanics in this country. >> how is she bigoted? >> because she's selling them down the tubes. she's not doing anything for those communities. she talks a good game. >> you're saying she has hatred. >> her policies are bigoted. her policies are bigoted because they're not going to work. >> you're saying she's personally bigoted. >> her policies. she comes out with the policies and others that believe like she does also. look at the poverty. look at the rise in poverty. look at the rise in violence. >> hatred is at the core of that or dislike. >> i don't know what it is. >> gene, on the front end, does trump have any point here about the democratic party's responsiveness to african-americans? and, secondly, even if he has a point, do you think it's possible for him not to keep

driving the car off into the ditch, which he did at the end of that clip with anderson. >> well, look, i don't think african-americans do or necessarily should sort of stand back and point a finger at the democratic party and say you should do this or you're not doing that. because, in fact, african-americans are a huge part of the democratic party at every level. starting with the president of the united states. but down to the grassroots. so, in a sense, i think we always should point fingers at ourselves and, you know, am i doing what i can do? are we doing what we can do regardless of political party. but that's -- it's false to even set up this dichotomy at this point of african-americans over here and the democratic party over there for a variety of reasons. you know, reverend al is fair --

my grandparents were republicans and, you know, african-americans are democrats now. that's the way it works. but, you know, i do believe that sunlight is the best disinfectant. i don't go around looking for silver linings and dark clouds. i rather the dark clouds weren't here. but one impact of, you know, bringing to light alex jones and the alt-right and everything like that. people get to take a look at this stuff. >> one thing, too. donald trump has sort of accused hillary clinton of just treating black people like votes and i think that's something on the campaign trail that i did not experience. i mean, i think she had, i covered bernie sanders and overwhelmingly a legitimate connection and a long history there. the one thing i will say about this speech. we are not sitting around this table today talking about the clinton foundation.

that's a big reason why the clinton campaign decided to go this route with this speech. they don't normally tell us two days in advance that they're going to come out and talk about a topic. they gave everybody plenty of time to sit around and dig into this. we did a stop with her at a coffee shop after this speech and she did not take any questions. people tried to ask her questions about the clinton foundation and she said, oh, look at those hard-working reporters. have some chocolates. >> i must say this. i think it is insulting to act as those african-american voters don't vote their interests. when george bush jr. left office, black unemployment was at 16%. it is now cut in half to 8%. we bought our interests. and the reason we went democratic is they started supporting the civil rights act. as i said earlier, my parents were republican. they went democrat then. we are not some dumb people that just. you bought your interest.

after a 48-hour odyssey in which donald trump moved towards a self-described softening on immigration, the republican nominee reverted back to his position to deport millions of people in the united states who don't have documentation. though trump still tried to leave some wiggle room about his policy. >> first i want to see what's going to happen. we're going to deport many people. many, many people. >> the vast majority are not from -- >> we'll find out who they are. >> if they haven't committed a crime -- >> there's not a path. unless people leave the country, well, when they come back in. if they come back in, then they can start paying taxes. >> they still have to leave the country. >> there is no path to legalization unless they leave the country and come back. >> so, if you haven't committed a crime and you've been here for 15 years and you have a family here and you have a job here. will you be deported? >> we're going to see what

happens once we strengthen up our border. but a very good chance, yes, we'll see what happens. >> used the words softening and even last night on "hannah" -- >> i don't think it's a softening. i had people say it is a hardening. >> i'll give you the task of explaining the position of two candidates. donald trump and donald trump. >> well, look, i mane, you saw it there. there is a responsiveness and i think the panel has talked about it earlier in this conversation. it's when he's confronted in the moment with a specific challenge. he just pulls something out. and then anderson very skillfully kept coming at him with some of the soft points in what he was having to say. i don't know. i don't think his supporters know what donald trump's final, ultimate position is on whether or not $ 1 1.5 million people a

going to have to leave. whether or not there is a deportation force. whether or not there is going to be a path to legal residence in the united states. citizenship is a separate fight. but when you think back to the months between the declaration in june and him accepting the nomination of the party, he had one position. now he has jeb bush's position and marco rubio's position and john kasich's position. it's really kind of hard to follow and it's not without risk for him because people who loved him because of the simple, they're going to go home. they must go home and we're going to build a wall and going to be scratching their heads. some of them are, anyway. >> ben, you pointed out earlier, correctly so that a percentage, probably a large percentage of the people who are committed to donald trump are good, decent people just looking for a little ray of hope in their lives.

what donald trump has been doing back and forth on immigration. the foundation. the bedrock of much of what appealed to these people what he's been doing lately, what happens when disappointment dawns on these people. >> i think we're seeing it right now. we are seeing it among the people who care the most about this issue. one of the leading immigration hawks on the right came out in "wall street journal" today and said he believes trump's campaign is effectively over and he's not going to be able to win now that he is softened on this issue. the real issue here is lack of clarity. before you had some clarity on this issue. donald trump you knew where he stood and his priorities and you knew they were separate from what both parties want when it comes to immigration. i think he only hurt himself among the strongest fan base. i think it was more important for him to have clarity on that issue than to try to make some

last-minute appeal that may appeal to the consultant class, but not really help him among his hard-core supporters. >> thank you, all. > . still ahead on "morning joe," hillary clinton joins us live in our next hour. as donald trump tries to close the gap with minority voters. the latest polling shows him with a long way to go. andrea mitchell and chuck todd join the table. you're watching, "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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chuck todd. how are you doing today. >> i am doing great. i'm upset about -- >> that's what guys do. >> they deflect. >> answer back. >> i don't hate the carlos -- >> just the removal. >> just keep your eye -- >> i'm going to try to do this. >> you guys can really compartmentalize things. >> "new york times" reporter, how are you doing today? >> i'm doing well. talking to a lot of happy democratic strategists and people and republicans who i think are feeling deeply frustrated. >> are they happy the strategists? >> the ones i talked to are. they're planning on what state they can flip next. people are looking at ohio and utah and looking at arizona. there is a big push in georgia. so, democrats really across this country are looking at these dates and just reimagining this map and i think they're getting more and more solid and feeling great about their chances in

november. >> see, because, i think that they can because i don't think he wants to win. i've just, you know, think the concept of building trump tv is what's really going on here. but, andrea, you wanted to make a point. >> i think he does want to win. kellyanne conway showed him some numbers and that's why we saw some change in effect. >> she's impressive. >> she's incredibly impressive. >> we all know her for many ye but seeing her in this role. >> i knew her. she seemed really nice. i had no idea. she seemed really good. >> that's why hillary clinton was so powerfully, you know, impactful in this speech because i think they are concerned that this new team could try to help, "normalize" donald trump. so, hillary clinton went back and what was important in the speech is that she just quoted trump.

>> you know, chuck, last segment we were talking about off of clips that we showed on the speech and people's reactions and what you would expect them to be. but if you read the speech. if you read the text of the speech, it reads like the opening address of a prosecutor. i mean, there's like no color in it, no real personal attack in it, per se. just that it's an indictment. it's the reading of an indictment. >> the more amazing thing when you just sort of step back a minute is the sound of silence from fellow republicans defending him yesterday. ca you know, we're throwing out. and, really, outside of people who are in the trump orbit, you didn't have, you know, look, the trump campaign did what you would expect the campaign to do. this is outrageous and over the line. they were signaling and hoping to be a whole bunch of other republicans that would come in and defend him and they didn't.

that says a lot. a new campaign video released by hillary clinton explicitly ties donald trump to ku klux klan members. white supremacists and others. the ad has drawn compares to the 1964 campaign of president lyndon johnson. clinton's campaign seems to be following lbj's playbook when he cast his republican opponent barry goldwater as a dangerous fringe extremist. take a look. >> the reason a lot of members like donnell trump is because a lot of what he believes we believe in. >> we represent the majority of the people in alabama -- >> racist and all sort of other ists. >> donald trump would be best for the job. >> when we come to senator goldwater, we're up against a very different kind of a man. >> donald trump, he's a

different kind of man. >> this man scares me. >> governor romney, he said goldwater's nomination would lead to the "suicidal destruction of the republican party." >> the bullying, the greed, the showing off. the absurd third grade theatrics. >> one, two, three. >> all it takes is one wrong move. >> i would bomb -- >> just one. >> vote for president johnson on november 3rd. the stakes are too high for you to stay home. >> you know, the clips from the trump ad, it's a web ad. so i'm not sure how many people are going to see it or for how long they're going to watch it. what do you think the residence is of that theme of attack that the temperament donald trump's temperament. >> i think it can really be powerful and i think watching that is so powerful because this

shows you that, really, they're going for the jugular here. they're putting out the ku klux klan and i think i've been talking up pollsters. this ad is not just aimed at voters of color, but white suburban college educated people whose children go to school with african-american children who are going to be deeply offended and are going to be running. those are the people that donald trump really needs to bring into his camp to win. that's what i think isy in this ad. i see this ad going for voters and that's the power in these ads. >> it is the suburban communities around philadelphia. it's the republican women who, you know, were perhaps not happy with hillary clinton. don't like her. look at her unfavorables. but they don't want to think that they are voting as the alternative. >> the democratic strategy is, one, see if you can win over those voters or so demorallize them that they don't show up. that to me, look, this is the,

to me, the biggest question of this election now. is there has been, her lead is essentially based on the fact that there are a chunk of republicans not for trump. >> right. >> she does better with democrats than he does with republicans. those chunk of voters, some of them right now are voting clinton and some are sitting undecided and one is with johnson. keep them or. i think they prefer to keep them home. >> what is your instinct on turnout? >> right now? the primary season would tell you it should be up, right, by the action that we had. my gut is that it will be down. and it will be -- it will be, right now, probably a lopsided down, if you're not careful. i assume in the swing states it will be good. but that's the danger here for republicans, right? it's not that they can't split tickets and win, it's that if a 10% of the republican vote just doesn't show up.

>> are you surprised at all at where the republican leaders who have endorsed trump are? >> where can they go? >> if you repudiate now. it's like they're in this -- john mccain is actually, it's a great example of the trap that republican elected republicans feel they're in. whether you're paul ryan -- >> kelly ayotte. >> you don't want to alienate those trump voters because you need them. at the same time, you have to figure out how to win over the swing voters. >> but here are some solutions. i can't endorse him because of racism. >> i think, i wouldn't be surprised in some states you see that attempt. question is where kelly ayotte has done it, she has struggled. i don't know if anybody has found. look, rob portman. of all of them, rob portman has

seemed to have figured it out better than most. he has kept his focus 100% on his opponent and done his best to sort of ignore trump. i don't think there is a magic formula. >> take a look at where clinton ohio, ohio, ohio. they are not there yet at all. ohio is still the battleground because they think they have it nailed in pennsylvania. >> they are casting this as pick a side. the side is not about policy or conservative values or liberal values but whether or not you're going to support a racist or go to the morales of america. i think that is the most important thing. >> thank you very much. coming up this hour -- >> there is no tax attorney in the world who will tell you to release your tax returns while you're under a standard routine audit. >> i guess that means congressman mark sanford is a tax attorney. we'll ask the south carolina republican why he is pushing an

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congressman, you are calling on donald trump to release his tax returns. writing this in "new york times." i am a conservative republican who, though i have no stomach for trump's personal style and regularly demeaning others intends to support my party's nominee. however, my ability to continue to daso will be in part driven by whether mr. trump keeps his word that he will release his tax records. we have a long precedent in which every major party candidate since i was a child has released his returns. break it now and it stays broken. the presidency is the most powerful political position on earth and the idea of enabling the voter. the chance to see how a candidate has handled his or her finances is a central part of making sure the right person gets the job. wow. also joining the table, nbc news correspondent hallie jackson who is covering the trump campaign

and msnbc political analyst elise jordan. great to have you on this morning. >> thanks for having me. >> so, congressman, i take it you released your tax returns. do you, do you think maybe perhaps because there is an audit the scenario is different with mr. trump? >> well, it could well be for that one year. the key is that doesn't preclude him from releasing other tax years. and, so, i think that the issue is it's, you know, this is something he didn't talk about when he originally started talking about his tax. i have an audit and therefore if i run for president or release my tax returns, he said the reverse. he said, i'll be glad to release my tax returns. i think it's the opposite of what he said. it doesn't fit with what the irs itself has said. the irs has said you kno being under audit doesn't preclude you

in any way from releasing your returns. the issue is not about donald trump's tax returns. it is about us being a democratic or republican nominee as to what they have or haven't done in the way of finances. it's interesting, you know, when you apply for a mortgage, the banker dozen take your word for it. they want talook o look at your returns. >> congressman sanford, it doesn't look like he will release these returns. if he doesn't, will you just not be able to vote for donald trump? >> let's get there when we get there. we'll see how things develop. let me just add this, though, under the same theme of tax returns, this isn't ultimately about just presidential tax returns. it's about a whole host of other down ballot races. when i ran for governor in south carolina, i released my tax returns. there is that tradition in a whole host of states across this country, simply because the president does it.

we, in essence, mark off of what they do or don't do at the nomination level at the presidency. it's very, very important not just for presidential returns, but every state in this country and your ability to look at upper level leaders what they're doing or not doing. >> nicolle wallace. >> so, let me ask you, sir. i read your piece. is this your number one sort of concern about him or are there any others? if he does this, is he at 100% in your book or do you have other concerns about his candidacy? >> i think you know the answer to that question. >> i just wonder why use your air time. to me, i would fix this 11th. i was running his campaign. this is the meeting i would have after i was done dealing with the murkiness he created around immigration and some of the race issues. why bring to focus when there are other issues getting the republican party behind him.

>> because i don't have direct experience. i never built a wall along the texas border. you can come up with any number of different issues that i think republicans would legitimately have concerns about or independents or democrats. i have had direct experience from the standpoint of releasing tax returns. i have been in an executive position for eight years of my life. so i think i have a little bit of different vantage point by way of experience that i would be able to offer me a different view point that somebody might not be able to offer on a whole host of other issues. >> congressman, if you have a question, i'm going to ask you to don't think, just answer. but you have so much information. so, if he doesn't release his tax returns, what do we know about donald trump? what policy? what position. what is it that he has givenen

to his voters that they can count on for information to tell them what he stands for? >> he has given to them, besides the personality side, some policy papers on his website, some positions that are stated. it is a confusing topic because when you look at where he stands on whether it's taxes or immigration. >> clear, complete, black and white. this is where he stands. has he given to his voters. the wall. >> the wall. have mexico pay for it. that's something he talks about all the time. >> he hasn't back tracked on that at all. >> that's one. there's no -- >> no ambiguity. when it comes to immigration, there is ambiguity. >> he has not shown -- >> he has been talking about standing up for cops. >> i would say that's not really a policy. >> he came out with his tax policy and pretty clear on where he was with some of the tax bracket. >> mark sanford, is this enough? >> well, i think what a lot of

conservatives look at are supreme court appointments. you are leaving that one out. he laid out a list of hypothetical nominees on that front and, you know, presidencies come and go, but supreme courts don't. those are lifetime appointments. one of the linchpins for a lot of us is what happens next with regard to the supreme court. and i can tell you that's an awfully big one. >> congressman, i'll take this to hallie. not to put you in a tough position. if he's ambiguous on everything, how can republicans count that they'll get that one thing that's so important to them? i don't think they can. i don't think his word has shown to be good on any level. how could you count on that? >> i can tell you what his supporters on the ground say. they'll say, he'll figure it out. we believe he'll put the right in place to figure out some of these positions. we like that he's strong and come in and shake things up. they think that even if he

wavers -- >> but, congressman, i would just ask you. is the fact that we're having this discussion at the table at all. the fact that mika is asking this question. does that give you concern? >> of course. you see that reflected in the poll numbers right now. i mean, i think the overall energy that's out there when i talk to voters is, i mean, i mean, beyond in terms of their desire for change. hope and change in the last eight years varying degrees they haven't got it and fibias. they are hurting. they want to see things change in washington, d.c. and regards to the pocketbook or the wallet. what he represents is that. so, they've looked past his slurs towards others and his diminishing comments. go down the list of things that people don't like and they say at least he might bring about change. if he were not to do that with regard to the supreme court

appointments and actually put out a list or on the immigration issue in regards to the wall and what not, i think you would have literally people going through the streets. people are really frustrated. i would have people going to the streets. i think he misinterpreted. it's a vacuum in the political marketplace where people want to see things change. >> that is a great assessment. >> congressman, before we allow you to escape this morning as opposed to let you go. substantial african american populati population, do you agree with black america in 2016 that they are probably going to get shot in the street on their way home, that their future is dismal and their childrens future is more dismal and hillary clinton is a bigot? do you agree gree wi-- agree wi that assessment? >> no. i don't like the way he labels

people, period. as there being dark spots with regard to prospects far young black man, that is real. we saw it in charleston in the wake of incredible tragedy with black, white and a whole lot of others. >> okay. thank you very much. thanks for being on. hallie jackson and elise jordan, thank you as well. coming up hillary clinton joining us on the heels of her speech last night. this race is not getting exciting, it's a little exciting. it will be very interesting to see what she has to say this morning. we'll be right back.

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so no one should have any reservations about what's going on here. the names may have changed. racists now call themselves racialists. white supremacists call themselves white nationalists.

the hate burns just as bright. don't be fooled. good morning. it is friday, august 26th. we have a big show in store for you. hillary clinton will be our guest. she will join us at 8:30 eastern. joe will join us on his day off for that big interview. before that we have tons of people with us. we have mike barnicle. we have former communications director. >> it is stuck. >> nicole wallace, we are doing vinegar hill. you have sold out with a waiting list i hear. >> i can't wait. >> and he will be there too.

>> it is exciting. >> well, he will be there too. i am so interested in it. i am so excited about it. i love music theater, by the way. the host of nbc's politics nation and president of the national action, al sharpton with us. msnbc political analyst eugene robinson. >> i will use my nicole card. >> you don't need it. everyone is welcome. come on, now. >> we have never seen anything like this.

>> you just said it. >> we have never been here before. >> never. >> and i hope you don't return. >> let's see where it goes too. hillary clinton opened her speech in reno talking about jobs and businesses. she called his message to the black community in recent says insu insulting. she went much farther in her explanation of how he is expl t exploited the alt-right to fuel his campaign. >> he is taking hate groups mainstream and helping a radical fringe. he is offering a dog whistle to

his most hateful supporters. it is a disturbing preview of what kind of president he would be. this is something we have never seen before. there has always been a paranoid fringe in our politics but it's never had the nominee of a major party stoking it, encouraging it and giving it a national megaphone until now. my friends, this is a moment of reckoning of every moment dismayed. that the party of lincoln has become the party of trump. 20 years ago he pointed to the exits in the convention hall and told any racists in the party to get out. the week after 9/11 george w. bush went to a mosque and declared for everyone to hear that muslims love america just

as much as i do. in 2008 john mccain told his own supporters that they were wrong about the man he was trying to defeat. senator mccain made sure they knew barack obama is an american citizen and a decent person. we need that kind of leadership again. >> by the way, the ageism going on in senator mccain's race, it's unbelievable what his opponent said on msnbc yesterday. first, eugene, what do you think of hillary clinton's speech? >> i thought it was a very powerful speech actually. it was -- she head it more like an indictment. it was very level. she said this is something new.

this is not the republican party you knew even from a few years ago. this is something different and something dangerous. you know, my view of what's happened this year, i think, you know, not long ago i had a very friendly conversation with george w. bush of whom i was some what critical. >> i saw it actually. i'm a witness to that. it was remarkable. >> and, you know, the feeling was we are both in this together. >> and before her speech the clinton campaign also put out a web video. it talked about linking the trump campaign to white supremacists. take a look. >> the reason a lot of klan members like donald trump is because a lot of what he believes we believe in. donald trump would be best for the job. >> for president? >> yeah.

>> i am a farmer and white nationalist. >> sending out the illegals and a wall. it's very appealing to a lot of ordinary white people. >> running against donald trump is treason to your heritage. >> will you condemn david duke and say you don't want his vote or that of other supremacis supremacists. >> i don't know. >> he is calling hillary clinton a bigot. take it from there. >> you know, i think that mrs. clinton's speech really hit it right on the head yesterday. i think what she raised is the fact that there are boundaries in politics and even if we disagree you don't go beyond certain bounds.

he has no boundaries. >> beyond the bounds. >> and he has consciously done that. when you compare mccain or bush there were boundaries. they said no. we are not allowing this. he has allowed it. he has played to it and he knows better. he has not conducted himself throughout his career. he has done that and played to an element that he knows. in 2003 i gave a photo. donald trump came to with ferraro and cut the ribbon. he knows he is playing and he wants to run that campaign that way. he chooses to lay with these kinds of people and this kind of element. i think it's the most cynical and insulting play. >> no use his word, sad,

exclamation point end caps. >> and yesterday as he tries to walk himself back both on immigration and on race he had a meeting yesterday over at trump tower with several purported african american leaders, let me ask you, in the past couple of weeks on at least two occasions donald trump has stood before what appears to be the admissions committee of augusta nation national golf club and asked the question about african americans in this country, vote for him, what do you have to lose? twhas he asked. i'm asking you, what would you have to lose? >> you would have to lose an ongoing progression towards our fights around equality. it is the question donald trump

does it know what he is proposing to african americans. they said what is your plan? if you say you knew what is your new plan? what are you going to do about criminal justice? you can't slogan your way into getting people to vote for you. my mother and father were republicans. they turned democrat because the democratic party supported the civil rights movement. we are not born we will do 90% democratics. we vote our interests. what are the interests you're giving us, mr. trump? you have been in business for 40 years. show us the levels of equality in your employment practices. show us the contracts you have given blacks and latinos. as mike mentioned donald

trump spent the morning meeting with minority republican leaders. later he met hillary clinton's speech head on. daurg rally he called her speech one of the most brazen attempts at distraction in the history of politics. >> it is a movement, folks, like they have never seen before. they will accuse decent americans who support this campaign, your campaign of being racists, which we are not. it's the oldest play in the democratic play book. when democratic policies fail they are left with only this one tired argument, you're racist.

you're racist. you're racist. they keep going back to the same well but you know what? the people are becoming very smart. they have heard it too many times before. the well is dry. the well is dry. >> do you want white supremacists to vote for you. >> you directly called her a bigot. >> you look at what's happening to the inner cities. you look at what's happening to african americans. >> how is she bigoted? >> she is selling them down the tubes. she is not doing anything for those communities. she talks a good game. >> so he has hatred? >> her policies are bigoted.

>> you're saying she is personally bigote >> of course she is. she comes out with policies and others that believe like she does also. look at the poverty. look at the rise in poverty. look at the rise in violence. >> hatred is at the core of that? >> or maybe she is lazy. i don't know what it is. >> we were just talking offset. i have to say, donald trump, you no idea what it means. >> you have no idea what it means. >> you have no idea what your words mean and what you're doing to this country. >> and to the republican party. we started with hillary clinton's speech last night.

i watched it. th >> he knows between right and wrong. >> i thought oh, my god, he doesn't care what happens in this election. i looked and his biggest effort was to make the republican case to broader audiences. so it's not just what he is doing. it's what he has done to the republican party. we sort of crashed. this is our nominee. >> and i think it is important because we need a debate in this country. we want the debate between the republicans and democrats that could appeal to african american voters. we need women to have that debate.

we don't need it on either side. >> yeah. >> he has taken it off. >> no. reverend al is absolutely right. it would be great if they competed for african american votes and hispanic votes and presented policies that the community could look at and evaluate and say maybe this is a good idea, this is a better idea. i just long for that day. i just wanted to point out one thing. hillary clinton went to the south with the childrens defense fund. >> nothing is funny. >> go ahead.

>> across the great sweep of history has there ever ban moment when a candidate opened the door to what donald trump seem to have opened the door to? >> this is a matter of degree, probably not of kind. if you were making a democratic case, upper case d when the nominee opposed the 1964 civil rights act and white democratics were fill bustering that bill. >> they said i just thannhandedo

the south. it has been two. even in the wreckage of this trump is going to carry, i would imagine, the states that george wallace carried in the hard core south where i came from. i think what is different is in goldwater's case and nixon's case and president bush's case. the last nominee attacked this republican nominee, all of those figures had a vision for the country beyond this idealology, beyond this weird often racist force. trump is an empty vessel. this is what's filling it. still ahead, we'll talk to hillary clinton live after that

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let's not spend too much time talking about this. he could change by noon today or change in a tweet 15 minutes from now. >> after a 48 hour which donald trump moved towards a self-described softening the republican nominee diverted to deport the millions of people

without documentation. i think let's see what he is off just a few hours. >> it was noon mountain. >> the interview was done in the morning. >> there's no policy here. let's stop calling it policy. >> thank you. >> it's just not. >> we are covering two campaigns. clinton versus trump and the more interesting campaign, the one that's more interesting on an hourly basis the trump versus trump, two campaigns, trump versus trump. >> so anderson cooper is a show ca called 360.

>> there is no path to legalization unless people leave the country. when they come back in, if they come back in then they can start -- but there is no path unless they leave the country and come back. >> if you haven't kmitd a crime and you have a family here and a job here will you be deported? >> we'll see what happens once we strengthen the border. there is a very good chance. >> you usedhe word softening and yo talked about -- >> i don't think it's a softening. >> but 11 million people -- >> i have had people say it's a hardening actually. >> you know what? really? confused? perhaps trump's spokesperson, this will be good.

she always makes a lot of sense, can explain this situation to you. zb. >> he is saying he does not want to allow people to stay in this country illegally. >> before he talk about it -- >> but now he is shifting. there is a definite different message that we are hearing now. >> there's not a different message. he is using different words to give that message. >> yes is a different word than no. it is also the opposite. what do you mean he is using different words? he is using different words because he changed what he said. >> the problem is that he introduced the concept of softening. it wasn't a got you question

from anderson cooper. i watched the two town halls and trump introduced the concept in the audience especially the second one. so the idea that we are sort of catching him or tricking him, this was his own announcement that would soften his position. >> this is the seinfeld campaign. it's a campaign about nothing. he's got nothing. >> he doesn't have any positions. he doesn't have any policies. all he has is words. the words are ever changing. the words depend on what audience he is talking to, how, you know, what went across his consciousness, what kind of reaction he got to the last off the wall thing he said. that's campaign. maybe it is the seinfeld campaign. it is about nothing. it is about him actually. >> right.

>> jeb bush is weighing in on donald trump's latest immigration stance after observers noted it seems to resemble the florida governor's own position in the primaries. >> i don't moe what to believe about a guy who doesn't believe in things. this is all ka gaa game. his views will change based on the feedback he gets from a crowd or what he thinks he has to do. life is too complex. r me i couldn't do that. i have to believe what i have to believe. if it's popular, great but shifting my views because it's political to do it, that's what trump is trying to do right now. i find it abhorrent. >> he says there will be no wall. there is a scene where mike cha

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it has been hard to see donald trump calling hillary clinton a bigot. to see the words being used in this campaign, to see hillary clinton having to make the speech she made yesterday in reno which was incredible, but what's at stake here at this point? >> well, first of all on this speech it has been extraordinary. i think the mood on the set has been extraordinary and reflects what you and i have seen when we have gone across the country and that's of electorate is depressed. i can tell you, as you know, as you talk to republicans with me, how depressed republicans are about the choices they make. this morning watching donald trump call hillary clinton a bigot when not so long ago he

was saying he was a great leader. it is to talk about donald trump and that remarkable speech yesterday. not so long ago she was saying donald trump was fun to be around. you know, they famously went to the wedding shows just how this relationship and this friendship has gone the way it has. usually see labor day as the launch of campaign. in earnest, this has started really ugly. it will be an ugly two, two and a half months. people were saying donald trump would be talking about bill clinton and his personal life. that's in the rear-view mirror. we are talking about who is a racist. it has taken on really ugly

tones. >> and the relationship has dissolved. we have seen things getting really tough but this does seem different it's hard to analyze. i can't think of one area, one policy, one relationship that he hasn't blown up. >> well, it's very interesting -- and by the way, you can add ann culter to that list this morning and add other people who have been defined as alt-right who are now talking about how they may have to abandon ship. they see donald trump once again changing his position on immigration. now he is talking about how well

we are going to deport 11 million illegal immigrants. so this is a campaign unlike any others. donald trump is going to continue hammering away at something that -- and the trump campaign told me this yesterday, something that theedia finds offensive, when he gets in front of crowds with blacks and hispanics and other nonwhite voters he ends with a message, what do you have to lose? they know that generates controversy but they believe that generating controversy and getting that message out to black voters and hispanic voters will be a winning play. you're so right. this is a like a campaign that we just never ever have seen before thank god. >> joins us now the democratic nominee, hillary clinton. thanks very much for calling in.

>> thank you. glad to talk with you. >> thank you so much for being with us. i think everybody around the set this morning concluded it was a remarkable speech yesterday but equally remarkable to us is the fact that donald trump who contributed to your campaign and said wonderful things about you not so long ago is now calling you a bigot. you said he was a fun guy but now you're talking about him stoking the flames of racism. do you think donald trump is a bigot or a racist because he said you are. >> all i can do is point to the evidence of what he has said and what he has done. he has built his campaign on prejudice and paranoia. it is deeply disturbing that he is taking hate groups that lived in the dark regions of the

internet making them mainstream. he questioned the citizenship of president obama. he has a disturbing pattern of courting white supremacists. he has been sued for housing discrimination. he attacked a judge for his mexican heritage. he promised a mass deportation force. what i want to make clear is this, a man with a long history of racial discrimination drawn from the pages of super market tabloids and these kind of white supremacist, white nationalist, anti-semitic groups should never command our military. if he doesn't respect all americans how can he serve all americans? >> is that a message that you're sending out to republicans as well as independent voters.

many people believe you are now trying to reach over and tell republicans hey, you have got a choice. i am going to be a uniter. i am going to work with republicans as well as democratics. you don't have to vote for this guy. >> absolutely. i am reaching out to everyone, republicans, democratics, independents, everyone who is as troubled as i am of the bigotry and deviciveness of donald trump's campaign. i have said repeatedly we are not just discussing our different views on tax policy or anything else of importance. we are facing a devicive candidate whose complete lack of preparation make him unqualified to be president and temper mentally unfit to be commander

in chief. as you noted in the speech yesterday, i did mention, by name, three republicans, bob dole, george w. bush, john mccain. i have had my differences with them but i respect each one of them. i called out to bob dole about what he said in his acceptance speech that all racists should take the exits. he pointed to the doors. i am still incredibly grateful that george w. bush went to that mosque after 9/11 and talked about how muslims are american citizens as well. and john mccain when confronted with the attacks on president obama's birth and his religion, you know, basically he said wait a minute. he's an american citizen. he is a decent person. we can have lots of disagreements. there's no reason not to. we are trying to solve some

difficult problems and make sure that the economy works for everybody, not just those at the top, we defeat terrorism and lead the world with strength and steadiness and unify our country. there is all kinds of ground for people to be saying hey, i have a better idea how to do that. i am reaching out and asking fair-minded americans to refuth. >> let's move onto another topic, one we talked a good bit about yesterday on the show and that is the clinton foundation. i want to ask you a couple of quick quicks on the clinton foundation. the first is what people ton set were asking yesterday. if you believe the clinton

foundation has done great works and most of us believe it has done great works, why not transfer the responsibilities to, say the gates foundation or some other foundation to completely eliminate any conflicts if you become the next president and commander in chief? >> it's a fair question. i appreciate the concerns that people have expressed. that's why i have made it clear if i'm successful in november we are going to be taking additional steps, but the fact is winding down some of these programs takes time. you don't just turn on and off a switch. even trying to negotiate with partner group is a serious effort. >> is that something you would consider? >> well, we will make sure -- here is what we are going to

make sure of, the good work that these programs are doing continues. i know the foundation is looking for partners but that's going to take some time to carry out. as i recall i think you interviewed bill probably three times. you're aware of the work, the complexity, the relationships that have been built which i think have made it more successful. one of the great outcomes is that people have been brought together to contribute their own interests and needs so if proctor and gamble discovered how to take a packet of materials, minerals and chemicals to dump it into water and make it pure they don't have a distribution system for that. we hook them up around the globe and all of that takes time to carry out. i wanted to say a burglparticul

word about the work that has been done to help 11.5 million people to help get more affordable medicine for hiv and aids. when bill started the work that she did right out of the white house to figure out how he could get more people to get life-saving saids treatment he went and developed the alternative generic drugs. he went to president george w. bush. he said if we come up with drugs that can pass fda approval, will you direct the united states government under one of president bush's major accomplishments. president bush said i doubt you can do that. he said let us try and they tried and they got it done. 23 of the 25 drugs passed and george w. bush kept his word.

the american taxpayer began to save money. when i became secretary of state we were treating 1.3 million people. what i said was, if we could drive the price down can we treat more people without adding another penny of taxpayer money and indeed we did -- >> but the cure of aids though -- >> you know, i think that the work has been not only tran transformational but it has been in line with american interests and values. we are going to do everything we can to make sure that that good work continues. that is going to take some time. >> but you all have done remarkable work in the fight against hiv and aids but you are not suggesting and nobody

related with the foundation suggesting that will stop if you transfer those assets over time over to the gates foundation or some other foundation that would continue your good work. that fight is not dependent solely on the clinton foundation remaining in place is it? >> we are going to be testing that. that's why the foundation is looking for partners and there are -- you know, there are potential partners for some of the work but not necessarily the same partner for all of the work. i think winding down the program takes time. we will make sure it is by finding partners. it is exactly what is being undertaken right now. >> i think it's really fair to take a look at the work the

clinton foundation has done and take the time to hear about it, which is what we have been doing. there is so much more you can do as president, obviously. so i guess the question would be, are you certain that there are no e-mails or foundation ties to foreign entities that will be revealed that could perhaps permanently impact your presidential prospects? >> i am sure and i am sure because i have a very strong foundation of understanding about the foundation that is kind of work the foundation has done is work that went right into providing services to people. as we have said before, neither my husband, my daughter for i

have taken a penny for work at the foundation. my work is not influenced by outside sources. i made policy decisions to keep americans safe. i believe my aids also acted appropria appropriately. we have gone above and beyond most of the legal requirements, beyond the stan dodards to voluntarily disclose donors and to reduce sources of funding that raised questions -- not that we thought they were necessarily legitimate but to avoid those questions. so we are going to go at this i believe in the right way of trying to make sure -- >> but it does raise questions. if a republican candidate who was actually credible was

running against you and served as secretary of state and took donations from foreign entities wouldn't you be criticizing him or her and in retro specific sp that a good idea? >> i would not be criticizing. i would be looking at the work. people can say whatever they want. i understand that, but if there was no evidence that there was any conflict i would say, look, i appreciate the work that they did to help 11.5 million people around the world get more affordable medicines and i appreciate the work that was done to help more people make a living and get a job and help american kids battle obesity and get better foods. i would appreciate that. because if you look at everything the foundation did it

is very much in line with what our government has done. that's why i gave the example of president bush and bill because both a former president and current president at the time wanted to do more to help people living with hiv aids. there is a lot of very positive lessons to be learned cht what's different is when you're secretary of state compared to president it does require greater efforts. that's why we are moving from where i think we appropriately were when i was secretary to what the new responsibilities would be as president. >> there is so much noise and so much at stake. i wonder with the questions raised how you build that trust up with voters at this time when people are feeling negative, to say the least, about this election overall. >> well, i think what i will do

is what i have been doing and that is pointing out everything that i have done over my entire lifetime, not just my public service, to make a difference in people's lives. the fact that people of new york elected me twice, that the man that i ran against in '08 trusted me enough to be secretary of state. i will put out the entirety of my record. i will try to cut through, when necessary, the kinds of questions that are raised and i will do my best to answer. but i really hope that the american people, as i think they are, is looking at the entirety of what i'm presenting to them in this campaign. >> me too. >> in every campaign there is a defining moment. i remember in '92 it was your husband up in new hampshire, of course barack obama's speech in

2008 was seen as a significant moment. do you think yesterday's speech that you gave, in your opinion, may be a defining moment, a turning point in this campaign whenning abo when talking about what is at stake in the future for americans? >> i hope a lot of americans were listening because it is an important moment to tell the truth about what's going on. i give a serious speech quoting the exact words donald trump says and the exact positions he has taken over time that i think should be troubling to everyone. it is dangerous that during the republican primary the candidates running against him were never able to engage and explain effectively to the republican primary voters what

they were getting, what they were voting for. but the stakes are so high. i think what we have seen from trump is so disturbing it's dangerous. we saw david duke yesterday say that his wife's nationalist movement is a phase. he retweeted a white supremacist so spread his message. >> it is incredible. >> i quoted one of my favorite american poe ts mia anglo. she said when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time. he has shown us who he is and i think we should believe him. >> i have to say you have been doing the same work for decades.

hillary clinton, thank you so much for coming on this morning. >> thank you, both. great to talk to you again. >> thank you so much. next, our political round table reacts to the fast-moving developments we have seen this week in the campaign. we'll be right back. ♪ don't just eat. ♪ mamaia! bertolli.

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being fought. hillary clinton is fighting to get undecided voters over to her. a lot of them are about getting undecided republican votes back to him. it is being fought on hillary clint clinton's territory. what did you think? >> i am try to go act in total transparency here in realtime. i think there are real questions about the foundation and e-mail server. ultimately the way i feel is her motive to serve is ultimately for the good. i don't feel anything good about what's happening ton republican side. nicole, what did you think? >> i think she was taking questions on a week when we have been very hard on her. >> there is no question. >> they don't have good answers to why they do press conferences. you just heard a ver

measured confident candidate who is not going to get herself in trouble. >> amen, the tone and tenor is this is a woman working towards the transition. >> and i want to follow up on what nicole said. for people that said hillary clinton runs and hides, we have been hammering hillary clinton harder this week than we have in a long time. what did she do? she came on the show for 20 3to 30 minutes. she heard the tough criticisms, harsh, and she came on the show anything. i think it says something about her confidence to lead. all right. tonight at 8:00 "morning joe" music will be live at vinegar hill music in