mainstream, helping a radical fringe take over the republican party. >> we have that "morning joe" interview in its entirety, in just mere moments. for his part, donald trump doubling down on his charge that hillary clinton is a bigot. >> her policies are bigoted, because she knows they're not going to work. >> you're saying she is personally bigoted. >> she is, of course she is. i think she has been extremely, extremely bad for african-americans. i think she has been extremely bad for hispanics. >> meanwhile, mixed messages 48 hours after a self-described softballing on immigration. donald trump seems to have returned to his plan to deport millions of undocumented immigrants. or has he? we start, though, with "morning joe"'s exclusive interview with hillary clinton, who ratcheted up her attacks on donald trump, linking him to the right wing fringe groups and clinton also defended the clinton foundation. here's that conversation. >> madam secretary, thank you so

much for being with us. i think everybody around the set this morning has concluded it was remarkable speech yesterday. but equally remarkable to us is the fact that donald trump, who contributed to your campaign and said wonderful things about you not so long ago, is now calling you a bigot. you went to his wedding. you said he was a fun guy. but now you're talking about him stoking the flames of racism. do you think donald trump is personally a bigot or a racist? because he said you are. >> well, joe, all i can do is point to the evidence of what he has said and what he has done, and from the start he has built his campaign on prejudice and paranoia. and it's deeply disturbing that he is taking hate groups that lived in the dark regions of the internet, making them mainstream, helping a radical fringe take over the republican

party. he questions the citizenship of president obama. he has a disturbing pattern of courting white supremacists. he has been sued for housing discrimination against communities of color. he has attacked a judge for his mexican heritage. he has promised a mass deportation force. what i want to make clear is this. a man with a long history of racial discrimination who traffics in dark conspiracy theories, drawn from the pages of supermarket tabloids and the -- these kind of white supremacist, right nationalist anti semitic groups should never run our government or command our military. if he doesn't respect all americans, how can he serve all americans? >> is that a message that you're giving -- that you're sending out to republicans, as well as independent voters? because many people believe that you are now trying to reach over and tell republicans, hey, you

know what? you've got a choice. i'm going to be a uniter. i'm going to work with republicans, as well as democrats, you don't have to vote for this guy. >> absolutely, joe. i am reaching out to everyone. republicans, democrats, independents, everyone, who is as troubled as i am by the bigotry and divisiveness of donald trump's campaign. and i've said repeatedly, this is not a normal choice between a republican and a democrat. we're not just discussing our differing views on tax policy or anything else of importance. we are facing a divisive candidate whose loose cannon temperament and his complete lack of preparation make him unqualified to be president, and temperamently unfit to be commander in chief. and as you i'm sure noted in the speech yesterday, i did mention

by name three republicans, bob dole, george w. bush, john mccain. i have had my differences with them, but i respect each one of them. i called out to bob dole for what he said in his acceptance speech that all racists should take the exit and he pointed to the doors. i am still incredibly grateful that george w. bush went to that mosque after 9/11 and talked about how american muslims are citizens as well as everybody else. and john mccain. when confronted with the attacks on president obama's birth and his religion, you know, basically said, wait a minute. he's an american citizen, he's a decent person. we can have lots of disagreements. there's no reason not to. we're trying to solve some difficult problems. and make sure that the economy works for everybody, not just

those at the top, and we defeat terrorism and we, you know, lead the world with strength and steadiness and unify our country. there's all kinds of ground for people to be saying, hey, i think i've got a better idea about how to do that. but that's not the campaign that donald trump has been running. and -- i am reaching out and asking fair-minded americans to repudiate this kind of divisive demagoguery. >> all right. madam secretary, let's move on to another topic, one we talked a good bit about yesterday on the show. and knocked some of your people around a little bit. and that is the clinton foundation. i want to ask you a couple really quick questions on the clinton foundation. the first is, a question that even some liberals are asking, people on the set were asking yesterday. if you believe that the clinton foundation has done great works and i think most of us believe it has done great works, why not

transfer the responsibilities to, say, the gates foundation or some other foundation to completely eliminate any possibility of conflicts of interests if you become our next president and commander in chief? >> well, joe, it's a fair question. and i appreciate, you know, that the concerns that people have expressed, and that's why i've made it clear that if i'm successful in november, we are going to be taking additional steps. but the fact is, winding down some of these programs takes time. you don't just turn on an off and on switch, even trying to negotiate with partner groups takes a lot of serious effort. and we want to make -- >> is that something you would consider, though? is that something you would consider? >> here's what -- here's what we're going to make sure of, that, you know, the good work that these programs are doing continues. i know the foundation is looking

for partners. but that's going to take some time to carry out. and as i recall, i think both you and mika interviewed bill at cgi, probably three times. and you're aware of the -- you know, the work, the complexity of the relationships that have been built which i actually think has made it more successful, because, you know, one of the great outcomes is that people have been brought together to contribute their own interests and needs, so that if procter & gamble discovers how to take a packet of materials, minerals and chemicals and dump it into water to make it pure, they don't have a distribution system for that, so we hook them up with world charities that go into the poorest places around the globe. and all of that takes time to carry out. and i wanted to say a particular word about the work that has been done to help 11 1/2 million people get more affordable

medicine to treat hiv and aids. and here's another example of what bipartisan cooperation means. so that when bill started the work that he did right out of the white house to try to figure out how we could get more people to get life-saving aids treatment, he went and developed the alternative generic drugs. and he went to president george w. bush, and he said, you know, if we come up with drugs that can pass fda approval, will you direct the united states government under pepfar, one of president bush's major accomplishments, to buy these drugs? and president bush said, well, sure, but i doubt that you can do that. and bill said, well, let us try, and they tried and they got it done. i think, as i recall, 23 out of the 25 drugs passed fda approval. and george w. bush kept his word. so the american taxpayer began to save money. now, when i became secretary of

state, we were treating 1.7 million people through pepf pepfar. and what i said was, if we can drive the price down, can we treat more people without adding another penny of taxpayer money. and indeed, we did. so that by the time i left, four years later -- >> but the cure of aids -- you're not suggesting. >> 1 million people. so, you know, i think that the work has been not only transformational, but it has really been in line with american interests and values. and we're going to, you know, do everything we can to make sure that that good work continues. and that's going to take some time. i know that -- >> madam secretary, though, and you all have done remarkable work in the fight against hiv and aids. but you are not suggesting, and nobody related you with the foundation is suggesting that that continued progress will

stop if you transfer those assets over time, understood it would take a while, over to the gates foundation or some other foundation, that could continue your good work. that fight is not dependent solely on the clinton foundation remaining in place, is it? >> well, we're going to be testing that. and that's why, you know, the foundation is looking for partners. and there are, you know -- there are potential partners for some of the work. but not necessarily the same partner for all of the work. so i think it's been made clear that winding down these programs takes time, and we're going to make sure that we don't undermine the excellence and the results by finding partners, but that is exactly what is being undertaken right now. >> so i think it's really fair to take a look at the work that the clinton foundation has done. and take the time to hear about it. which is what we have been

doing. there's so much more you can do as president, obviously. and so i guess the question would be, are you certain that there are no e-mails or foundation ties to foreign entities that will be revealed that could perhaps permanently impact your presidential prospects? >> mika, i am sure. and i am sure because i have a very strong foundation of understanding about the foundation, not to have a play on words. that the kind of work that the foundation has done, which attracted donors from around the world is work that went right into providing services to people as we have said before, you know, neither my husband, my daughter, nor i have ever taken a penny of salary from the foundation. my work as secretary of state

was not influenced by any outside forces, i made policy decisions on what i thought was right to keep americans safe and protect our interests abroad. i believe my aides also acted appropriately. and we have gone above and beyond most of the charities that i understand, beyond the legal requirements, beyond standards, to voluntarily disclose donors and also to reduce sources of funding that raised any questions, not that we thought that they were necessarily legitimate, but to avoid those questions. and so we're going to go at this i believe in the right way of trying to make sure -- >> but it raises questions. >> -- as we wind it down. >> madam secretary, if republican candidate who is actually credible was running against you and served as secretary of state and ran a foundation that took donations from foreign entities, wouldn't

you be criticizing him or her for a conflict of interest, and in retrospect, was that a good idea, if you're not going to be doing it in some cases as president? >> mika, i would not be criticizing. i would be looking at the work, and if there were no evidence and, you know -- i mean, people can say whatever they want. i understand that. but if there were no evidence that there was any conflict, i would say, look, i appreciate the work that they did to help 11 1/2 million people around the world get more affordable medicines. and i appreciate the work that was done to help more people make a living and get a job and help american kids battle obesity and get better foods. i would appreciate that. because if you look at everything the foundation did, it's very much in line with what our government has done. that's why i gave the example of

president bush and bill, because both a former president and a current president at the time wanted to do more to help more people who were living with hiv/aids. so there is -- >> very bipartisan. >> a lot of very positive lessons to be learned, and what's different is, as -- when you're secretary of state compared to president, it does require greater efforts. and that's why we are moving from where i think we appropriately were when i was secretary to what the new responsibilities would be as president. >> there's so much noise and so much at stake, i just -- i wonder with the questions raised from speech money to foundation highs how you build that trust up with voters at this time when people are feeling negative, to say the least, about this election overall. >> well, i think what i will do is what i have been doing, and that is pointing out everything

that i have done over my entire lifetime, not just my public service. to make a difference in people's lives. and the fact that the people of new york elected me twice, that the man that i ran against in '08 trusted me enough to be secretary of state. i will put out the entirety of my record. i will try to cut through where necessary the kinds of questions that are raised, and i will do my best to answer. but i really hope that the american people, as i think they are, is looking at the entirety of what i'm presenting to them in this campaign. >> me too. >> madam secretary, you know, in every campaign, there's a defining moment. i remember in '92, it was your husband up in new hampshire. of course, barack obama's speech on race in 2008 was seen as a significant moment. do you think yesterday's speech

that you gave in your opinion, to a lot of americans may be a defining moment a turning point in this campaign when talking about what is at stake for the american people in our future? >> well, joe, i hope that a lot of americans were listening, because it is an important moment to tell the truth about what's going on. i gave a serious speech yesterday quoting the exact words donald trump says, and the exact position that he's taken over time. that i think raises questions, and should be troubling to everyone. and it's dangerous that during the republican primary, the candidates running against him were never able to engage and explain effectively to the republican primary voters what they were getting, what they were voting for.

but the stakes are so high, and i think what we have seen from trump is so disturbing, it's dangerous, because we saw, for example, david duke yesterday say that his white nationalist movement is in a growing phase, and donald trump is essential to it. imagine that. he's retweeted a white supremacist with a few dozen followers to spread his message to 11 million people. >> it's incredible. >> i quoted one of my favorite american poets and personalities, personas, maya an lieu who said, when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time. and donald trump has shown us who he is. and i think we should believe him. >> yep. you know, on key issues that impact society, i have to say, you have been saying the same thing for decades. and you have been doing the same work for decades. hillary clinton, thank you so much for coming on this morning. >> thank you both. great to talk to you again.

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>> hillary clinton in a "morning joe" exclusive there, hammering donald trump, accusing him of allowing right wing fringe groups to take over the republican party. katy tur outside trump tower here in new york. kasie hunt, alley jackson here in the studio. i'm going come to you in just a moment, katy. i want to talk about immigration and the latest from the campaign. let me start, kasie, with you. what's the campaign saying about moving forward? i mean, what we saw yesterday in reno, what we heard this morning on "morning joe." is this going to be the line of attack for the foreseeable future? >> i think you're going to hear this over and over again from the clinton campaign. if you read the entirety of the speech, even if you listen to the interview this morning, this is about independent voters. it's about moderate republicans. hillary clinton is somebody who has, you know, called republicans her opponents for the entirety of her political career, and she is out there saying yesterday, this is not republicanism. this is not conservatism. i may disagree with these people quite a bit. but this is something totally

different that. is an appeal to those same moderate republican voters that donald trump has been trying to convince with this latest push for african-american votes, for hispanic votes, that he isn't all of these things that the clinton campaign says he is. >> it really was striking to hear him call hillary clinton a bigot. and then to double down on it again last night, hallie. you've got to wonder, at some point, whether this is not something that the trump campaign once again realizes, maybe this isn't working, maybe we shouldn't continue to call her a bigot. maybe we should start referring to her policies as bigoted. >> that's a distinction, that's at the clinton campaign is doing, he's pedaling bigotry, not that he is a bigot. listen, it's important to note, this was not donald trump when he called her a bigot going off-script, going off-message. this was part of the speech. this is not something unexpected for him to say. i think what you have seen, though, in the last 24 hours is not just him, but his surrogates doubling down on this idea that her policies are not helping

african-american and latino voters. i would note, interests interesting to see the rnc communications sean spicer, during the weekly a sonning during the campaign saying he would not use that word which i think is notable when you look at where some of these other republicans, other than donald trump, are on this issue. >> especially when you consider that there are arguably legitimate gripes and complaints, whether it's the foundation, whether it's the e-mails. you know, attacks that seem to have been working, and then all of a sudden, oh, by the way, she's a bigot. it really is strange. let's talk immigration here, katy tur. i'm going to ask you a very simple question. because we have been having some difficulty. this is not tongue in cheek here. last hour, sean spicer saying they would, in fact, deport 11 million undocumented immigrants than allow them to come back into the country. we heard earlier in the week, perhaps the softening and -- we do have the sound bite? we have spicer from last hour?

let's play trump first, katy tur. this is the evolution on immigration. here it is. >> we're going to deport many people, many, many people. >> the vast majority of those 11 million are not criminals. >> we're going to find out. >> if they haven't committed a crime, is there going to be a path to legalization? i'm talking about citizenship. >> no, there is no path to -- unless people leave the country -- when they come back in, if they come back in, then they can start paying taxe >> so if you haven't committed a crime and you've been here for 15 years and you have a family here, a job here, will you be deported? >> we're going to see what happens once we strengthen up our border. there is a very good chance the answer could be yes. we're going to see what happens. >> katy tur, as you understand it this morning, what is the position of the trump campaign with regard to immigration policy? >> reporter: i'm not being tongue in cheek here either, craig. i do not know what their policy position is in regard to immigration at this moment. it does not seem that donald

trump knows what it is, either. his campaign certainly does not know. the candidate himself has gone back and forth. he is has vacillated between deporting 11 million undocumented immigrants or finding a path for them here to legalization including back taxes only to reverse on that and say they need to go out of the country before they come back in. so the immigration policy for donald trump, which has been the cornerstone of his campaign for 14 months, is now up in question. much in the same way almost every other -- every one of his other policies is, as well. we are unclear about where the muslim ban stands as of now, even though that is still on the website. he said he's both for raising the federal minimum wage and for lowering the federal minimum wage. trump does not have a set of coherent policies at the moment. but the thing is, craig, this is not an election that we have seen so far, that has hinged itself -- that has hung itself

on policies. donald trump supporters are very much into donald trump as a leader, as a personality. much more than they are into into him as a policy maker. they have trust in his ability to get into office, and they say hire the people that he needs to hire. so he hasn't really reached any negative benefits so far that he has been able to tangibly -- to feel with his lack of policy. but so far, he is, as we know, trailing in pretty much every single poll, including those battleground polls, so if he's going to turn it around, one has to wonder if he needs to have a more concrete idea of what he is going to do when he gets into office. >> katy tur outside trump tower. kasie hunt here in the studio. hallie jackson. today, 3:00? >> today, 3:00 on the anchor desk. >> we'll be watching. >> i think you'll be there too. >> we'll be watching. >> full hour. >> or a train wreck. >> it's going to be awesome. it's always awesome.

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disturbing pattern of courting white supremacists. he has been sued for housing discrimination against communities of color. he's attacked a judge for his mexican heritage. he's promised a mass deportation force. and what i want to make clear is this. a man with a long history of racial discrimination who traffics in dark conspiracy theories drawn from the pages of supermarket tabloids and these kind of white supremacist, white nationalist anti semitic groups should never run our government or command our military. if he doesn't respect all americans, how can he serve all americans? >> how can he, congressman? >> well, craig, let's -- first of all, what was the speech designed to do? it really wasn't designed to talk about racism in america. it was designed to change the subject. hillary clinton has had a very bad week. the polls show it. people --

>> which polls? >> well, florida, we're doing -- we're tightening up the race there. ohio, michigan, arizona, and the national polls show this race is absolutely tightening, and they're tightening because people are very tired of the clinton foundation scandals, the e-mails. we learned a new vocabulary word yesterday for example, bleach bit. no one has ever heard of that word until yesterday, unless you were trying to wipe out e-mails, which, apparently the clinton people were trying to do. so what this speech was designed to do was take the topic and move it to a safer ground, which, frankly, is somewhat clintonist, but also a card that the democrat party always plays. change the subject from the substance. change it off the high unemployment rate, the weak economy and start talking about racism. >> congressman, it should be noted, it was your candidate that started talking about race initially. there was the speech in michigan. there have been a number of other addresses since then. i do want to go back to the

question. >> but craig, he was talking about -- and i'm glad you brought that up. because he did raise it. but he was talking about in the context of economics with the backdrop of milwaukee. >> but congressman, why not do that at a black church? why give a speech like that in a roomful of people that look like you and maybe five or six that look like me? why not take the message to the people -- presumably -- go ahead. >> but craig, remember, he has been doing that since then. >> donald trump has not been -- and maybe -- i haven't seen him at a black church. i haven't seen him talking to black store owners, walking on the south side of chicago. or did i miss that? >> craig, duly noted. but you will admit, he is talking about the failed education systems in the inner city, where so many african-americans are living with the backdrop of this year we have seen milwaukee, baltimore, ferguson, high murder rates in some of these areas. we have seen families that have

been devastated. and they -- so many of these have democrat mayors. and what he is saying is, what does the african-american voter have to lose by looking at the other alternative. you know, if i'm selling you a car, and you have already told me you're not going to buy a car from my competitor, i'm not going to give you a good deal. and what he is saying to the african-american community, you know what, i want your vote, i want to earn your vote. but if you just tell hillary clinton that no matter what you're going to vote for her, then she is not going to give you as good a program as she could. >> i want to get to a few other things, congressman. not to cut you off, but i want to talk about immigration, policy and substance, as well. this is what -- this is some of what trump has said this week alone with regards to immigration. >> the plan include a deportation force. >> to be determined. >> there is no amnesty. >> so if you haven't committed a crime and you have been here for 15 years, and you have a family

here, you have a job here, will you be deported? >> we're going to see what happens once we strengthen up our border. there is a very good chance the answer could be yes. we're going to see what happens. >> what is the policy of the donald trump campaign with regards to immigration reform? >> well, number one, let's have immigration reform. and i think that's the important thing. he has brought this and has driven this issue to the forefront. he has said, let's enforce existing laws. let's do it consistently. which, by the way, will dry up the job bank, because employers are breaking the law too when they hire illegals. number two, he's talked about border security with the wall. number three, no amnesty. number four, no sanctuary cities. and number five, let's protect american jobs, because so many of these illegals are undercutting the wage rates. >> okay, so pathway to citizenship. that's part of the platform now. >> no amnesty and pathway to

citizenship are in conflict, which i think you're seeing the discussion on right now. the reality is, if you have no amnesty, then the only way to have a pathway to citizenship is to have people leave the country and then reply, get in line with everyone else. >> last hour, we heard a spokesman from the rnc say that we are going to, in fact, deport 11 million -- the 11 million or so undocumented immigrants and then some of them will be allowed to come back. is that -- is that part of the plan now? >> you know, craig, i think what donald trump has said -- >> no, no. wait a minute, that's a very simple question, congressman. yes or no? is that part of the plan? >> i believe that that is part of the plan. but i want to say this, and it's real important, because i understand there are mixed signals, and actually, i agree, you have diagrammed them very well right now. >> you just acknowledged something that i think a lot of folks have an issue with. we're 72 days out.

should every american not know precisely where the republican nominee for president of the united states stands with regards to immigration reform? >> i think that i have outlined five things that he is for. consistently enforcing laws. building a wall, having border security. number three is no amnesty. number four, no sanctuary cities. number five, protecting american jobs. i would challenge hillary clinton, what is her plan? we know she wants to let in 620,000 refugees. we know she is against vetting further. she is for sanctuary cities and open borders. so i think we probably know enough from both candidates on it. i do like what you're saying. let's put down the plans. i would love to get beyond the name-calling and talk about economics and talk about foreign policy. >> congressman, it should be noted it was your candidate who called hillary clinton a bigot.

i don't think that hillary clinton actually called donald trump a bigot this week. you correct me if i am wrong. >> maybe not this week, but i can tell you this much. the democrat national convention, which, by the way, i attended, you can hardly watch that on prime time tv with children in the room. there was so much name-calling. it was so disappointing. and so, you know, i think we're going to start doing name -- we should get away from name-calling. i'm with you on that. and let's talk -- >> a return to civility. >> absolutely. and let's talk economics and foreign policy. >> congressman jack kingston, republican from georgia, senior adviser to the trump campaign. congressman, thank you for coming on. >> thank you, craig. attacks of racism. claims of bigotry. dominating the race right now. coming up, the reverend al sharpton will join me to talk about what has become an unprecedented election in so many ways. (announcer vo) who says your desk phone always has tbe at your desk? now, with one talk from verizon... hi, pete. i'm glad you called. (announcer vo) all your phones can work together on one number.

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clinton bigotry. racially tinged accusations. election 2016. when we come back, reverend al sharpton will weigh in. >> hillary clinton is a bigot! who sees people of color -- only as votes. not as human beings. >> trump is reinforcing harmful stereotypes, and offering a dog whistle to his most hateful supporters. if you have medicare

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>> racial insults flying between hillary clinton and donald trump as both candidates vie for votes. i'm joined by national action network president, reverend al sharpton. pleasure to have you, sir. >> glad to be with you. >> let's start with the charge of bigotry. that's a big deal. that's not a -- an insult or label that should be taken light. what do you make of the charge itself? >> i think the charge itself is ludicrous in the sense that you can disagree with mrs. clinton's policies or even former president clinton's policies. but to say their bigoted is something else that really i think that donald trump should have been rightfully challenged and therefore give me your categorical evidence to that. interestingly enough, she gave categorical evidence on her response, saying that he had

main streamed hate movements. and she went from the clan of david duke and the people he is affiliated with. which i think is a correct statement. she didn't say he was a bigot. she says he's mainstreamed a hate movement. and that is true, in my opinion, and frightening. i mean, i have never seen in my lifetime anyone that is the republican nominee attack people by their religion or their nationalnality. we're talking about a -- the republican nominee of one of the two major parties in the country, saying a judge made a decision because he was mexican. not only was he not mexican, he said because of his origin. which is straight out bigotry. or that we're going to keep all muslims out of the country, or we're going to screen all muslims, which is all one faith. to mainstream, to have in the mainstream of the american political conversation, whether

or not we ought to be identifying people by their religion or race or nashality has never happened in american history like this. >> trump has pointed policies, a lot in the inner cities in this country, policies that have failed for generations as proof that she is a bigot. but what's always struck me about that is that using that same logic, what about policies that have afflicted poor white people in red states, states that have been reliably red, for generations? >> well, not only that, let's deal with the facts. one of the things that i am laying out on policies nation sunday morning, let's look at the facts. when president obama took office, black unemployment was at 16.8%. it is now 8%. he cut employment -- black unemployment in half. so what is trump talking about? ronald reagan left, it was

11.8%. so if he is saying under democrats and republicans -- the facts even even add up. in the last 35, 40 years, we've had more republicans in power in washington. reagan, bush senior, then bush jr. as opposed to just clinton and obama. so under what democratic leadership is he talking about that black suffered, when we have been most of the time in the last three or four decades under the republicans, and when the democrats were in, unemployment went down. our wealth gap went up, on and on and on. so he's even factually wrong. >> i have wondered whether it's the speech in michigan or some of these other speeches or interviews he's done since then, when he talks about race in this country. when donald trump talks about race, is he -- is he talking to black voters? is he talking to hispanic voters, or is the message designed for another group? >> no, he's definitely, in my

opinion trying to talk to independent white voters, and some moderate republicans that don't want to feel they're voting for a racist or a poll riser. i don't think he's talking to black voters at all. why? because if he was, he would be saying this is what i'm going to propose to you. to say to black voters, don't vote for the same, vote for something new, but never define what new is, means they're really not talking to you. because otherwise i would be selling you on this is my new plan on the economy, this is my new plan on health care. there is no blanks. yesterday he met with some black republican leaders, but he never walked out here and said this is my blueprint for black america. because i'm not talking to black america. i'm using the oppose it particulars to talk to whites that don't want to tell their friends they would vote for somebody as polarizing. so i want to increase their comfort level. so they become props to a larger

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confused. plus, new poll numbers out this morning from key battleground states. we'll roll out the numbers to you within this hour. good morning, everyone, i'm tamron hall coming to you live from our msnbc headquarters in new york. this morning, hillary clinton in an exclusive interview on "morning joe" is continuing the assault on donald trump she launched yesterday, charging he's helped a radical fringe, the so-called alt-right, take over the gop. both candidates now accusing each other of racism. >> do you think donald trump is personally a bigot or a racist? because he said you are. >> well, joe, all i can do is point to the evidence of what he has said and what he has done. and from the start he has built his campaign on prejudice and paranoia and it's deeply disturbing that he is taking hate groups that lived in the dark regions of the te