these are racist ideas, race-baiting ideas, anti muslim, anti immigrant, anti women, all key tenets making up the racist ideology known as the alt-right. there has always been a paranoid fringe, but it's never had the nominee of a major party stoking it, encouraging it, and giving it a national megaphone until now. >> good morning and welcome to "a.m. joy." that was hillary clinton in a pointed speech this week where she connected the dots between

donald trump's campaign and the modern-day white nationalist movement known as the alt-right. clinton said that trump has in effect given the alt-right's fringe ideology a national platform by installing steve bannon as head of his campaign. that's the very same steve bannon who last month told mother jones that breitbart is, quote, the platform for alt-right. the american renaissance, one of the most prominent voices, rejected clinton's claim with a statement criticizing her suggestion that trump shares the alt-right's views before going on to clarify exactly what those views are. quote, its central concern is race. race is not a social con instruct, it's a biological fact. there is very broad overlap between the races, but they differ in average levels of intelligence and in other traits. it also says the united ates has a distinct cultu and heritage that derives from the european founders. it is not a territory that is up for grabs that belongs to

whoever can manage to sneak across its borders. the descendents of the founding stock have the right, even the duty, to resist dispossession, unquote. joining me now, president of the latino partnership for conservative principles. also southern poverty law center president, richard cohen and andrew weinstein, organizer of an anti trump petition and a former aide to bob dole and newt gingrich. thank you all for being here. i want to start with you, richard. on the subject of the alt-right. the southern poverty law center has classified it as a hate group. what is the connection between breitbart.com and the alt-right? >> well, you know, as you said in your introduction, joy, bannan has said that breitbart is the platform for the alt-right. it's published lots of alt-right essays and also lionized the leaders like people like richard spencer as intellectuals.

and white washed the racism. i think people should understand that the alt-right is basically a rebranding of white supremacy for the digital age. >> and one of the things, andrew, that you have seen the alt-right do, is they want -- they have this sort of goal of exploding political correctness, sort of mainstreaming the idea of using hate speech, anti muslim, anti black. we have seen it with the "saturday night live" comedian, who was attacked by my low union oppose liss and driven off twitter and that sort of thing. why does the alt-right seem to also target conservatives and republicans, because they seem to be a principle target as well? >> well, i think that in this case, it's because the alt-right sees donald trump as their candidate. and they're working to try and get him elected and they think that attacking those who question donald trump's qualifications to be president and not just attacking them, but threatening them and preventing them from expressing their right

to free speech will help donald trump get elected. so i think there is a very intentional effort to chill political speech here. i think a lot of these groups or individuals who are supporting the alt-right, the hate community out there, is -- are attacking the supporters, anyone who would oppose donald trump, because they think they can get them to stop doing so. >> yeah. let me play alfonso, a little bit of one of the ads that hillary clinton's campaign is running, connecting these dots between the alt-right, steve bannon and breitbart and donald trump. take a listen. >> trump is a phenomenon, because he expresses a kind of nationalism. and this is something that has been effectively absent on the american right. >> mr. trump, like it or not, you have become the spokesman for white people. >> i'm overjoyed to see donald trump, and most americans, embrace most of the issues that i've championed for years. >> so alfonso, how can the

republican party, you know, going forward during this campaign and after, attract people of color, attract voters of color, people like you, you know, latinos, african-americans, when you have members of the white nationalist community openly embracing the candidate that you support? >> let me first say that, you know, i'm a target. a regular target of the alt-right movement through some of their websites because of my support of immigration reform. they attack conservatives. look, i don't think that donald trump knows what the alt-right movement is. and to try to suggest, as that commercial does or hillary clinton did in her commercial, that, you know, there are ties between him and the outright movement, is pretty ridiculous. it's a fringe, it's not that influential. they're fringist on both sides. >> but more influential now that steve bannon, who has declared that he made breitbart.com a center for the alt-right. if if you go and scroll through breitbart.com, it's a cesspool

of hate speech. of to make that person not just a part of the campaign but the ceo of the campaign, that is connecting himself directly, plugging himself into the alt-right. how can it not be? >> well, i mean, i don't know about that. i think it's a remote association -- >> it's remote, but he's the ceo of donald trump's campaign. >> but the question is, donald trump is the candidate. donald trump doesn't know anything about the alt-right movement. donald trump is not a racist. i think if we're going to play that same game, then we have to challenge hillary clinton, for example, when she says that she is an admirer of margaret sander, for example, the founder of planned parenthood who believed that people of color were undesirables. i mean, is she going to distance -- >> alfonso, with all due respect, manning let sanger is dead and not running the campaign. >> but -- >> okay. let me get richard cohen in on that question. is it possible to hire someone

who is -- who identifies himself with something like the alt-right, with basically a white nationalist movement, to hire them to run your campaign and not be associated with them, richard? >> look, before he hired bannon, racist themes were running through mr. trump's campaign, really from the very start. and i think another important thing to realize is, you know, it's not just the presidential election that's at issue now. it's really our character as a nation. you know, are we going to be defined by the principles of our founding documents, or are we going to be defined by ethnicity? and i think that's a question that's going to persist kind of long after this election, and you know, i think breitbart is on the side of ethnicity. >> and andrew, you've had probably the most direct experience with dealing with these people. if they were -- what is their goal, in your view, richard, in trying to glom on to the republican party, essentially

push out what they see as weaker conservatives? if they were to then get presidential power, associated with them? what is it that they want? >> well, i'll start by saying -- >> richard first. i'm sorry, andrew. >> you go ahead. >> okay. i'm sorry. just to follow up, joy, for a little background for your viewers who might not know, after i wrote the letter or organized the letter to the rnc, urging it to focus on the senate and house and cut its ties to trump, the alt-right gates kind of exploded, and i received a tremendous amount of hate and threatening tweets and voicemails left on my home machine, and websites attacking me and all things that i know both of my fellow guests are familiar with, as well. but really, i think language has no place for in politics, including images of me in a gas chamber, images of a cartoon jew being kicked by a booth that says "trump to an oven" with a

caption saying "get in that oven, andrew." messages saying i would make a great lamp shade. terrible images and threats to me. and that's what the alt-right actually is, for folks who may not know what they're doing. i think to alfonso's point earlier, whether or not donald trump knows anything about this group, i think it is crazy to say donald trump doesn't know this is going on. the press has covered this in great detail. every time he does something that sends a dog whistle to the alt-right, not only is it cord in the press, but the alt-right responds with glee and joy he's doing those things. and when he's been given direct opportunities, sitting in a chair with someone asking whether he'll renounce these people, whether it's david duke who he claimed not to know until later the day when he decided he shut renounce him or for that matter, julia iofi, who came under death threats from the alt-right and wolf blitzer asked donald trump what message he had for his quote, unquote, fans,

who were sending her death threats because of her religion. and his response was, "i have no message for the fans." >> yeah. >> you could not be more explicit than that, and him turning down the opportunity to repudiate the alt-right. and the alt-right understands that he is sending these signals, that he is supportive of what they're trying to do and that's why they're supporting him too. >> and he's retweeted alfonso, white nationalists. normal people don't normally retweet white nationalists. >> i don't want to give the impression that i love mr. trump's comments, the comments he's made now or during the primary, i find many of those comments offensive. and yes, i think they have encouraged some of those groups, absolutely. to say that it was intentional, very well-organized, strategic, i think that's going -- >> i intentionally hired -- i want to talk -- he does control his own twitter account. and he is retweeting white

nationalists. if they're in the stream of your social media, that is not moral. >> i think i could argue that is a double standard. >> that is not a double standard. you're mentioning a dead person. >> planned parenthood. >> it is not a u general cyst organization. >> 52% of all -- on latino and african-americans. >> i think that's smear on planned parent hood could not go forward. troubling new details from steve bann bannon's personal history. a police report confirmed by nbc news details a domestic violence incident in 1996. according to the report, his wife told police that during the encounter, bannon grabbed her by her wrist and neck. responding officers said they saw red marks on her wrist and neck and photographed. and his wife told them he had gotten physical with her on three or four previous occasions. he was charged with three misdemeanors. he pled not guilty and the case

was later dismissed when prosecutors said they were unable to find his wife. last night nbc news also obtained portions of the divorce records between bannan and his now ex-wife. the couple was still fighting over their 1997 divorce ten years later. and in a 2007 filing in the divorce, his ex-wife said, "of the incident that bannan's lawyer told her to leave town so she couldn't testify against her husband." and that the lawyer threatened her and if she testified against him. now bannan's lawyer denied the allegations when reached for comment by nbc news. in that same filing, his ex-wife also said that he was opposed to his two daughters attending a prestigious west los angeles prep school because of the number of jews that attend. she said that he doesn't like jews and that he doesn't like the way they raise their kids to be, quote, whiney brats and that he didn't want the kids going to school with jews. his personal spokesman said in an e-mail to nbc news that he

never said anything like that and that he has a great relationship with his ex-wife and daughters. very quickly, i want to let andrew respond to that really quickly s. that the steve bannon that you find familiar? >> absolutely. i mean, this guy -- this is not someone who is kind of expressed a couple somewhat controversial views over the years. this is someone who has wrapped his arms completely around the alt-right movement. claimed it for himself. the alt-right movement has cheered him and said that he is someone who believes the same things they do. there's a bond that goes both ways and everyone acknowledges it except donald trump who somehow decided this man, who should have no role in politics, who should be -- evicted from the conversations of legitimate political dialogue has -- is the appropriate person to run his entire campaign. i really just don't -- i think that if donald trump had an ounce of seriousness about tackling this very deeply problematic issue, the first thing he would have to do

immediately is fire steve bannon. >> and alfonso, do you think he should fire him? >> if there is any truth to those allegations, yes. i mean, look, the association, i would say, is troubling, yes. but i think -- at this point, i don't have an answer. we have to look more into exactly who this person is. >> and richard, i'm going give you the last word on this. what would be the thing that would trouble you the most about people like steve bannon getting proximity to power, meaning in the white house. >> well, again, i think it's an assault on the character of our nation. and what we're going to be as we move forward. and, you know, as our diversity increases. we're having a tremendous backlash to the nation's changing diversity. and people like breitbart, people like trump, are -- pouring fuel on a fire. >> yeah. well, thank you very much to richard cohen and andrew weinstein. alfonso aguilar is staying with us. trump's stance on immigration. first said it was softening and then hardening. oh, my. landic game show.

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go a step further. they will pay back taxes, they have to pay taxes. there's no amnesty, as such. there certainly can be a softening, because we're not looking to hurt people. we want people -- we have some great people in this country. dump's self-proclaimed softening marks a sharp deviation that his position that has defined his campaign from the beginning. his pledge to form a deportation force to force all 11 million undocumented immigrants from the country. but just days later, trump took a seemingly different turn, a whiplash turn, with the revelation that just kidding, his position on immigration is still just as hard as ever. >> last night you talked about -- >> i don't think it's a softening -- >> but 11 million people are no longer going to be deported. >> i would say it's a hardening. there is no path to

legalization, unless people leave the country -- well, when they come back in, if they come back in, then they can start paying taxes. >> reporter: trump's aversion to his previous leave and com back policy only further muddied the waters because that policy known as touchback was taken off the table by his campaign manager, kellyanne conway, earlier this week. if this has left you confused, some clarity may be forthcoming. he said in the next two weeks he would shore up, by releasing a policy he called very firm. joining me, alfonso aguilar, president and ceo, co mar, and democratic strategist, simon rosenberg. so theresa, it has been a bit of a muddle. dump first built his brand on build the wall you hear at the chant, and forming a tee poretation force, would essentially remove all 11 million undocumented migrants from the country. that now is -- was softened. he said that was something he

could change. there was a backlash from the right and now i'm not really sure what his position is. do you know what his position is. >> his position never changed. he wants to deport 11 million people and start all over. what changed is that conway came on board and was able to give messaging points that basically made him sound less racist than he actually is. and it wasn't to attract the american latino community, because everybody right now in the latino community, for the most part, is living under fear. the amount of anguish that we're hearing even from parents is very real. but he basically wants to make sure the independent variety, the swing varie voter, the clid comfortable for hillary clinton wants ton an outlet to vote for trump. he is it not understand that undocumented immigrants paid $90 billion a year into the system. and one of the reasons they do so, joy, they have been informed that as they're able to demonstrate they are paying taxes year after year, it's one

of the ways they can actually demonstrate they have been in this country long enough to qualify for eventually hopefully some sort of protected immigration status. >> and alfonso, to back up the theory that really donald trump's position actually hasn't changed, katrina pearson was on cnn and was asked if his position on immigration has changed and this is his national spokesman, katrina pearson, and this is what she said. >> he hasn't changed his position on immigration, he has changed the words oh of what he is saying. >> that did provoke laughter. but alfonso, essentially, the deportation force is still on, right? >> right. and we can't say conclusively -- that for sure he wants to deport everyone. i mean -- >> because -- >> no, no, no. can i talk. >> a sliding scale. >> he also talked about some people leaving. look, i don't support mr. trump's immigration policies. from the get-go, he did say that some people would leave and then come back.

i think when he was talking about softening, perhaps he was talking about some of those people instead of having to leave, they could actually touchback intermittently through an embassy or consulate. >> but has he said that? >> no, no, no. look, again, i don't support his immigration policies. i don't think he is as a restrictionist as he has portrayed himself. four years ago he blasted mitt romney for talking about deportation. he is much more practical than that. >> let me ask simon -- >> again, let's not do the double standard. what is hillary clinton's position on immigration? path to citizenship. what does that mean? >> i think that's what latinos support. >> let's take the wall. nobody has asked this. they talk about the wall, because trump has talked about it. hillary clinton voted for the secure fence act. 700 miles of not one wall, two walls. >> so i think that -- >> nobody talks about that. why the double standard? i mean, i'm critical of trump's immigration policy. why can't we be objective about hillary? >> well, let me ask you this. we will do -- i will promise to invite you back.

we can do an entire segment on hillary clinton's immigration policy. i'm about six minutes to do a segment on dump's immigration policy. if you could do me the courtesy of talking about that. that would be great. >> i know you want -- >> so let's -- simon, i want to let new on this. if, in fact, dump is not changing his core immigration policy, because by the way, it is what makes him popular with not just the alt-right, but a lot of republicans and conservatives who do feel insecure about the immigration situation in the country and want to see deportation. people cheer when he says build the wall, deport them, they've got to go, we've got to have a country, et cetera. so what would be the utility of changing the words, as katrina pearson said, if it's the policy of deportation. >> it's important to build on that. really what trump did this week said he's still going to deport everybody but now feels bad about it. that's the big change. he's demonstrating remorse and sympathy for the undocumented immigrants but not changing his

policies at all. what he tried to do this week, unsuccessfully, was wiggle out of a position that is devastating for him with the general electorate audience. he took this position in the primaries, helped him win. the anti immigrant stance, but killing him in the general. he didn't pull it off. the backlash as you cited with his own supporters was significant this week. and so last night on fox, he made it clear, he said "no legalization." this discussion is over. he ended it last night. >> yeah. and, you know, i have a theory. i'm going to play this video for lawrence and donnell. it's a little silly. he might have been damaged by the reaction to the words "softening." take a look. >> joy, the softening -- what's the matter? come on. it's not my word. >> go on. >> this is day two. >> yeah. >> of the softening. we don't have polls -- >> sorry. >> on how the softening -- let's take the camera off joy. so she can -- >> i need a moment.

>> -- compose herself while i discuss this with her. how long dump is going to continue to soften. >> right. i don't know how much sochbting there will be. >> simon, i have to throw this to you. i do have a theory that dump heard the ridicule and that was us being silly. that word was then used to ridicule him on the right. do you think that perhaps maybe the change back is rhetorical, because donald trump doesn't like the ridicule? >> remember, he said that in that interview you showed -- now it's really more of a hardening. he walked away from his own softening very quickly. he also had real blowback from people like ann coltter and marco korean, people critical on the anti immigrant movement. co korean wrote a piece saying he's done with trump. it's over. he's not going to be with him anymore. so there was significant blowback and i think that was also part of what was driving it. >> absolute. and that is -- i think that is the -- that is the deal-breaker.

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what is so ironic about trump's attempt to make america great again for minorities? well, let's take a listen. >> so to the african-american voter, great people -- to the hispanic voter who have been absolutely treated terribly, i say what do you have to lose? >> donald is saying he wants to run for president and move on into the white house. why not? wouldn't be the first time you pushed a black family out of their home. >> 14,000 apartments in 39 different buildings, all mostly white ten ants. that is until department of justice took notice in 1973. >> when the black testers came, they were shown -- they may have been shown apartments, but were told nothing was available. whereas when the white came, yes, there were things available. >> i have a great relationship with the blacks. i've always had a great relationship with the blacks.

>> he does not have a great relationship with "the blacks." and you can ask five kids from new york city during the central park jogger rapist trial. >> you better believe that i hate the people that took this girl and raped her brutally. you better believe it. >> innocent after it came forward. this famous person calling for us to die. was very serious. >> are you racist? >> i'm the least racist person that you have ever met. >> pocahontas -- i'm doing such a disservice to pocahontas. it's so unfair. >> under federal law, native americans don't pay taxes on casinos located on their land. and in a 1993 trump sued the government allegation the law gave unfair advantage to a certain class of citizens. >> is this you discussing indian blood? we're going to judge people by whether they have indian blood, whether they're qualified to run a gaming casino or not? >> that is probably me. absolutely. if you look at some of the

reservations that you've approved, you, sir, in your great wisdom, have approved, i will tell you right now, they don't look like indians to me. donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states. when mexico sends us people, they're not sending their best. they are bringing drugs, they are bringing crime, they're rapists, and some, i assume, are good people. the judge who happens to be, we believe, mexican. >> if you are saying he can't do his job because of his race, is that not the definition of racism? >> i don't think so. >> you're racist, you're racist, you're racist. they keep saying it. you're racist. it's a tired, disgusting argument. and it's so totally predictable. >> up next, reaction to what you just saw from not one, but two pastors, one of whom is also a member of congress, one

supporting trump, one backing hillary clinton.

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learn more at chase.com/ink she is a bigot. you look at what's happening to the inner cities, you look at what's happening to african-americans and hispanics in it this country, where she talks all of the time -- >> how is she bigoted. >> she is selling them down the tubes, because she's not doing anything for those communities. she talks a good game. >> so you think she has hatred? >> policies are bigoted. her policies are bigoted because she knows they're not going to work. >> but you're saying she is personally bigoted. >> she is, of course she is. her policies -- she is totally bigoted, no question about it. >> that was donald trump doubling down on calling hillary clinton a bigot. and joining me now to react to the trump montage we played before the break and the accusations against hillary clinton, that he is making are emanual cleaver, congressman from missouri and pastor mark burns, co founder and crowe eo e

now television network. congressman, i'm going to start with you, sir. you know the clintons, you've known them for quite some time. what do you make of it when donald trump calls hillary clinton a bigot? >> i think it's transference, it is an attempt to use this -- it's an old political trick, and that is the thing that you feel vulnerable on, you try to appropriate it to the opponent. it rarely works, and it doesn't work here, and it's rather insulting, because essentially what mr. trump is saying is, about 93% of african-americans in this country are stupid. and so they don't know those who would care for their best interests, and so he wants them to know that they're stupid and they need to be supporting him. and i just think it's tragic. it could be comical if it didn't

deal with human beings. >> and the polling that you're referring to, pastor burns, shows that hillary clinton enjoys the support of 91% of african-americans. donald trump, at least in this one poll, is at 1% in the nbc poll. there are various polls that put him at 1 to 3 to 4%. how do you respond to that? the vast majority of african-americans made the decision they prefer hillary clinton to donald trump. so donald trump calling her a bigot, is that also casting an apersian on the black people supporting her? >> well, you know, i just want to say in reference to name-calling, my job as a pastor, not a politician and i'm not running for any office. and as a pastor, i don't -- i wouldn't call anyone any names. that's -- >> that is fair. >> from who i am. but in reference to the african-american and donald trump support, yes, it is low. but it is turning around. i mean, because obviously, what donald trump is doing, and i'm so blessed to be right at the center of the outreach towards

african-americans is completely legit. donald trump truly, truly has a heart for the african-american community, but more so the american community. i really believe the democratic party, joy, has really done a great job in dividing us and not really uniting us. and right now that's why we are as african-americans weak and not where we need to be as a people. >> let me just take one piece of that. and i definitely want to keep the congressman in this, as well. you said donald trump has a heart for african-americans. you saw that montage of donald trump's history that does include settling a lawsuit for housing discrimination. not letting people that look like you or me move into his buildings here in new york. 9 comments he made about the central park five. wrongly convicted of a crime. he wanted them executed and even after they were exonerated by dna, he came out and blasted the idea that the city gave a settlement to them. the bertherism, calling barack obama out and essentially

commandings his papers, unprecedented. donald trump's own personal history speaks of bigotry. >> i know donald trump today. i can't answer to what ever took place 30 years ago. i can only speak to the donald trump that i've gotten to know. and the donald trump that i know has a heart for african-americans. donald trump has countless deeds that he has done. >> can you give an example? >> there's a prime example. a friend of mine, pastor wright, i'm not going to release the individual's came to meet donald trump. an unscheduled event. but long story short, the young lady began to -- to tell mr. trump her story, and the struggles she has had ministry

sounds like a nice thing to do. >> it is. >> look, you know, this is almost, you know -- the reality is this. i took a shower this morning, and when i got into the tub at the hotel here in louisville, i didn't wonder whether or not the water was going to be wet. and the reason is that it was wet yesterday. and i base decisions, my decisions today, on yesterday. that's where all human beings do. and mr. trump yesterday -- and this is not 30 years ago, reverend. he has made some awful statements. about latinos. and i'm not a very smart person, but here's what i do believe. that there is no such thing as

partial prejudice. partial bigotry. if you are -- you can't be partially dead, partially pregnant. and you can't be partially bigoted. if you attack a group of people, latinos, or any other group, you're very, very likely to feel the same way about all minorities. and what mr. trump has done is just almost unconsciousable. in his past. these are public -- we have public records. we have him on tape saying these awful things. and i mean, he's continuing to insult people. i have a very good relationship with "the blacks." and then in the middle of the speech he points out and says "look at my african-american over there." look, we're human beings, we're not puppies. >> sure. >> and i don't think that mr. trump's money, if approximate he wrote $50,000 checks and so for forth, is anything that's going to change what he is doing very publicly. >> and how do you respond to

that? he is continuing to say things, you know, several words just quoted by congressman cleaver? >> you know, i really think hate begets hate. racism really goes both ways. and i really think if we are going to discuss and hold in account what donald trump has or may have -- >> that's what we're here to do. let's stick with that. can you respond to the things he is saying now? >> the point i'm making is, if we're going to do that, and i think we should be holding hillary clinton in the same account. >> i get the turn. but i want you to answer directly to the things that donald trump has said. >> i'mance answering. this is how i'm answering. i think it's so important we need to hold hillary clinton also in account for what she has done and what she said. bill clinton said president obama a cup. >> hold on.

let me finished now you're willing to go in the past. that was in the '90s. during the time that hillary clinton was making those statements about the crime bill, which, by the way, half the congressional black caucus supported was -- not only in terms of housing discrimination. if we talk about -- even going back before, the nixon administration accused him of housing discrimination. should he apologize and take the same step. even during this campaign about judge cure yell, about my african-american. >> what's per flex plexing, we're in a society where we're so racially divided, we speak more and more about the different ethnic groups and not

really having the language. what donald trump is speaking to issues that are perplexing all races. >> you don't think he should apologize. >> what i'm talking about is, i believe right now we need our leaders speaking the language that is bringing us together as an american, and not keeping us focused just as the black americans or the hispanic americans or the asian americans. i really think right now, we need our leaders, hillary clinton and continuously, donald trump to, continuously stop focusing on those colors and issues that are plexing just to certain ethnic groups and begin to deal with issues that are dealing with all americans. >> but, okay, congressman, your response. >> the great country we are in. >> well, reverend, the problem is that you're saying at least what i'm hearing, is that they shouldn't even deal with the issue of race. and i will remind you -- >> no, sir, that's not what i'm

saying. >> well, anyway, let me remind you, it was mr. trump who brought this issue up by calling secretary clinton a bigot. that's how it got started. that's why you and i are talking about it now doubled down on cnn and did it again and again. and i think that -- look hillary clinton -- i've known her for 30 years, been in her home. there is no way i would support her. i would be some way denouncing her. i mean, things have gotten so bad. and you did it earlier. you said, and the democrat party. that's bad english. i mean, it's not correct graham more. but people do that just to be insulting look, this is a horrib

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>> it has reopened and reopened the wounds that have to do also with his own past. we do advise him to steer away from this subject or if you think he should stay on it, how should he be talking about race? >> right now the key word is compassion. the african-american community. the african-american community, i believe, based off of facts, has weakened -- we have been worsened off under the last eight years of a democratic party -- >> how so? >> there are more african-americans on -- up 21% from the -- from when president obama became president until now. >> no, it actually isn't. during the great recession, you had increases in all americans using things like food stamps, but that was because of the recession. that has gone down. >> i think the fact of the matter is, when the net worth of african-americans is less than $5,000, hispanic families, $8,000, white, $93,000. the aging american family is at $116,000.

i think the fact that we financially, economically, under the democratic party, at the bottom of the totem pole. we have to have leadership that is going to really empower african-americans and not just african-americans. because joy, poverty knows no color. poverty doesn't care what race you are. right now donald trump has a plan that is going to empower 25% of franchise busines owners which are african-americans and empower the small businesses. >> we haven't heard that plan and african-americans have been in that economic position for hundreds of years. >> but we have been voting for democrats the last 50 years. >> let's go to you, congressman cleaver. there does need to be clearly an economic intervention for african-americans. that is actually a valid point, that our communities do need to catch up in terms of economics, and it isn't just about the last eight years. it's in general. so how do you respond to what you just heard from pastor

burns? >> well, let's deal with a couple things and i'll do it quickly. first of all, remember, anything that president barack obama presented, proposed, the republican congress opposed. everything. i don't care what it was. he could say let's vote today is saturday. and they would say, no, no, it looks like saturday, but it's not. the other thing i think is important is over the years, there have been programs proposed and some of them have failed. and that's what you ought to do in the political system. of because we have no ultimate knowledge. we can do the best thing we can to get programs in place, and efforts by the government in place to make corrections in what has transcript pird in this country since 1619. it's a difficult job. but to say that somehow the democratic party is somehow celebrating the condition of african-americans is just wrong. and let's remember, let no corrupting word fall from your

lips, so says the apostle paul to the efeelingses. >> this is why i loved having this panel together. we have two, not one, but two pastors on with us today. congressman emanual cleaver, we have to let you go to catch a flight. and pastor burns. >> bless you, reverend. >> bless you, pastor. and after the break, the pushback after the latest clinton conspiracy goes mainstream. this time involving the clinton foundation. more "a.m. joy" at the top of the hour. at clorox 2 we've turned removing stains into a science.

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my work as secretary of state was not influenced by any outside forces. i made policy decisions based on what i thought was right to keep americans safe and protect our interests abroad. >> good morning and welcome back to "a.m. joy." hillary clinton pushed back this week against claims that as secretary of state she granted special access to big donors to the clinton foundation. donald trump predictably pounced when he found time to focus on his campaign message that republicans would like him to stick with, slamming the foundation as, quote, the most corrupt enterprise in political history. trumps attacks parked by a report in the associated press that, quote, more than half the people outside the government who met with hillary clinton while she was secretary of state gave money to the clinton foundation. the story has since come under strut knee, in particular the ap's decision to focus on just 85 of hillary clinton's state department meetings out of some 1700 meetings, meaning the percentage of meetings dropped from half to about 5%. joining me now is spencer sue of

"the washington post," also reported on the alleged ties between the clinton foundation and the state department. spencer, thank you so much for being here. i'll note we did try to get the a.p. reporters on, we did invite them on, they were not available today, so we appreciate you taking time for us. i guess i want to ask you, what i read through the ap's story, it struck me as having really not a lot of meat to it. they talked about meetings with people like mohamed eunice, a luminary, a nobel peace prize, a congressional gold medal, the presidential medal of freedom and make that seem sinister, just because he got his e-mails returned. when he e-mailed and reached out someone reached back. without some evidence that there was a trade, that mohamed eunice had to give money in order to get a response or he actually got something that they actually helped him stay at his bank, without that, how is this a scandal? >> you know, i don't know that

it's a scandal. but i also think it might well be news. there's a -- at least maybe a couple considerations, just like it might be misleading to focus on 85 meetings out of 1,700. the fact is, you can't maybe necessarily look at one or two meetings with the nobel peace prize winners and dismiss the other 85. i think the question here is, you know, what we've been seeing in disclosures is examples of how the clintons' global network of friends and donors got access to the secretary and to her top aides. and the question i think for people is, you have this kind of unique or unprecedented aerngment where you have a former president married to a then secretary of state and potential future president engaged in this sort of global foundation enterprise that operates kind of outside the normal framework of domestic politics and the laws that oversee political contributions. engaged in global activities that kind of overlap with u.s. official diplomatic business.

so one, you know -- the reason it may be news is that if you believe that disclosure is sufficient that this is how you -- this is the process of disclosure resulting in a public debate, and greater scrutiny. the reason it's happening now is really, frankly, because of the clintons' own conduct. that they did not have an e-mail server, did not use the state department e-mail. that did not come out until 2014. courts only got ahold of it in 2015, the e-mails coming out now on the eve of election. and it's not just the media making this argument. there were state department rules and ethics agreements where the clintons agree to themselves not participate, but they did not in matters that affect the foundation business, thank you they didn't extend that to top aides like huma abedin, simultaneously employed with the clinton foundation and consulting group through the gatekeeper and ethics cops routing these incoming requests from foundation officials and donors. >> okay.

>> you've said a lot of things. so our audience can take those in bites. let's start with the disclosure aspect. the clinton foundation created a searchable database where you can find out who donated to the foundation. this is the reason we know who the 85 meetings were with. there is no comparable foundation. the two bushes, a father and son, both president of the united states. the bush one foundation, his presidential library foundation did not do any such disclosure. it's very difficult to find out who donated, whether they were foreign nationals or whether they were big business people or people who wanted to have access. you can't even find that out. and then when the son became president of the united states, the first bush foundation was still operating. so was points of light, which still operates to this day. why were those questions not raised? in theory, if somebody wanted to curry favor with george w. bush, they could have given lots of money to his father's foundation, and by the way, jeb

bush was running for president, somebody who also used private e-mail when he was governor of florida. why were these same questions not raised when you did have a comparable situation with the bushes? >> let's start with the last situation first. obviously, it's hard to compare a federal system with a state system, federal laws here, you know -- are the ones that are controlling. >> were there federal laws broken by having -- these foundations are allowed to accept foreign donations and the bush foundations existed while george w. bush was president. >> right. i was talking about the e-mails and the practice of the state department and applicability of federal -- >> i understand. let's talk about the foundation. >> absolutely. and i think the clintons deserve a lot of credit. and i think people have -- you know, and they have said as much for the -- doing good by doing well. the lives saved by the

foundation. they did themselves -- president clinton, mrs. clinton, chelsea clinton, not take a dime from the foundation. it's -- you know, these are dedicated, committed people working on major problems of health and hiv prevention and economic development. i think the concern with the foundation is that you have this sort of unique situation where she is, you know, at the same time still in office. and even if they have taken more steps for disclosure or ethics agreements, the fact that there are ethics agreements apply to them but not their aides. the fact they say maybe now we should take additional steps if hillary clinton is successful. the question comes back, why didn't do that as secretary of state? >> one moment. you didn't -- you completely skipped the bushes for me. so i need you to tell me. >> i'm not as familiar. >> it is not unique. you said this is a unique situation, but it isn't. the points i covered, the georgia senate race, the race

for the united states senate. michelle nun, running for the united states senate from georgia, was the ceo, still active. howard dean sits on its board. could you have have made the argument anyone who wanted to essentially buy a united states senator could have given lots of money to points of light, which is a wonderful foundation which does good work and also accepts donations who we don't know who the donors are. so it is not unique. you actually have existing foundations tied to a president of the united states. and one of them was running while george w. bush was president throughout his whole eight years. i'm just asking, why those questions were never raised then. >> i take your point. and maybe they should have been raised if they weren't. maybe they should have been taken up by political organizations or partisan organizations or the media, if they weren't. i can answer that for, you know -- my impression right now is, people have a concern over

money and politics. if they believe that access -- that the issue is not just access, but influence, there are folks who say there should be an outright ban. i don't think you can get there unless you can show that there is a connection. if you are questioning if there is a quid or a pro or a quo the way you get there is you show the quid, you show the quo and e-mails may tell you if there is a reason for it. >> with all due respect, that was not shown here. as you said, the a.p. could have focused on any of the 85 contexts they were able to find because of the he have self disclosure. they chose to highland highlight and melinda gates. doesn't that indicate they didn't find something nefarious they could show because they only used those examples. if they had an example of someone buying influence, that would be not only the story, it would be the headline. it would have been a blockbuster, if they had that, why don't they show it? >> you know, i can't -- i'm not

here to defend another news organization's reporting or work. what i can say is that from what we have seen, do people believe that foreign donors -- is there a perception that if you give money to the clinton foundation, you might get favorable treatment from the u.s. government. >> can you answer that question? is there such a perception, and if so, doesn't it have to be based on something. doesn't it have to be evidence that is the case? >> and do people believe that -- and do people believe that -- that if you are not a wealthy foreigner or if you are not a wealthy american, that you can't get the similar amount of access. the perception of corruption is also a concern here. and i think if the shoe were on the other foot, like you have pointed out, there would be interest. i think when the cheney -- the previous administration there

was a cheney task force. the white house task force tried to keep records secret. there were foil lawsuits that went to the supreme court to try to get that information out, finally reported there were energy executives that were meeting with -- in private with multiple times. this was a lawsuit brought by the sierra club and others. that there is a natural interest by -- regardless of your party and partisan lineup, figuring out what your government is up to, finding out who is meeting. if it turns out there was no quid pro quo, no smoking gun, i think the system is better for -- people rather knowing and asking the questions than not. >> all right. spencer hsu, i appreciate you being here. we would have loved to get the guys who wrote the story on. but you stepped up to the plate. joining me now is america blog editor and jonathan allen, coauthor of "hrc, state secrets and the rebirth of hillary clinton." thank you both for being here.

and so you know, i'll start -- you're both john, so it has to be john and jonathan today. i'm going to start with jonathan. you wrote an interesting piece kind of the reason we wanted to have you on and it talked about the rules for following hillary clinton. the sort of suspicion that's built into the way people view her and essentially reporters when they look at the clintons, look at it with a jaundiced eye. spencer said there was something unusual about the arrangement with the clinton foundation. that it was unusual for a sit secretary of state to also have a foundation operating. but it isn't unusual. i mean, it actually isn't. the bushes had had that happen while they were there, and there was no such question raised. do you think that this story had merit? >> i think the story had merit in the way that spencer actually phrased it, which is not necessarily that there is a scandal, but that there is news. that is to say, there is some things we didn't know before, i guess, that we now know.

i think the reaction to the story has been completely out of proportion. you're absolutely right, it's not unique, you point out the bush administration's, any members of foundation. tom delay, for instance, had a foundation for adopted and foster kids, i believe. these are -- the concern is that these are access points to people who have power, that don't exist otherwise, or campaign finance system, at least part of it, the direct contributions to campaigns limits those contributions, because there is a belief and a perception that money has a corrupting influence in politics. donations to a foundation, of course, unlimited and, you know, largely unregulated, compared to nose direct campaign contributions. we have a really mixed up system right now that doesn't have a lot of rhyme or reason. i think usually what we see if you're a republican looking at what democrats are doing, you think it's the worst thing in the world, a scandal. if you're a democrat looking at republicans are doing, you think the same thing. >> jonathan, i have that sense,

there is too much money washing into politics that people can give big money. in your experience covering washington, is it only the clintons who return the phone calls of rich donors or isn't that true in every city council in america, if you give $1,000 to your local city councilman, won't they return your call? >> these members of congress in washington must be astonished at the thought that somebody gave money would get a meeting. it's not like any of these members of congress go into townhouses all over capitol hill. every day, behind closed doors with donors. accept checks person-to-person so they can see the lobbyists and other donors looking them in the eye as they're being given money and vice versa. i mean, of course. this is exactly what goes on all over the place. you can be upset about it, bernie sanders was upset, donald trump has talked about a rigged system. the idea that the clintons are the only people having meetings with donors is absurd. >> and i don't know, john,

listen. this is not john boehner handing out tobacco checks on the floor of the house of representatives. which actually happened. that is a real thing that happened. this is not donations to the clintons' political organizations. if this is grist, it's the worst-run ever. saying give us this money to give 11 million people aids drugs and maybe humana may call you back. >> and huma may call you back. you may ask for something special but we're not going to give it to you. one of the things in the "washington post" article, he said the donor that is met with hillary, many did ask for something special but didn't get it. and i think even spencer, the point you made, even spencer would have pointed out in his story, the graft and special favors given. there was a visa story he mentioned that guy didn't get the visa, because in the end hillary's staff said that's kind of creepy. we don't deal with visas. >> i'll plug my article i wrote in the daily beast this week that pointed out in the case of

mohamed eunice, you had a guy who has known the clintons since the 1980s, this luminary who asked them to help, and he still got cashiered. all he got was sympathy. if, in fact, the thing that they're asking for money for is not government-related, and the people aren't getting what they asked for, i will ask you if you think the story had merit. >> the story had merit to investigate. the problem is i think what happened is the a.p. reporters ended up with a story that didn't have any substance at the end and didn't know what to do. that's why they came out with these crazy sort of inflammatory headlines about half of hillary's meetings were with donors when we found out no, she had meetings with 85 former donors when this he had several thousand otherwise. they ended up -- there was a bit of a witch hunt but maybe it was valid. they didn't catch a witch in the end and now don't know what to do. >> and the thing is, that is different. and spencer pointed this out, jonathan. we don't want to undersell how difficult the job is of

political reporters trying to find news when there is so much gambling going on in the casino. it's not that easy to do. but the thing that is unusual and spencer did make this point, you do have certain organizations that prime these stories. and in the case of the clintons, it's judicial watch, which has filed lawsuits against the clintons for 20 years. is that what makes this unusual, that you do have this organization out there, larry klaymans group staying on the clintons and dredging up new stories for reporters to go after? >> judicial watch, the organization behind the impeachment of president clinton. going after the clintons for 25 years, spending millions and millions and millions of dollars on this. for a variety of things. and, you know, look, they used the freedom of information act the way reporters would, be even though they're not a journ journalistic outfit. so much money going and not so much going into investigating other people from the left. that you have created an

imbalance. and i think it has a lot to do with this. as far as the a.p. story goes, i think it would have been interesting to see the 85 donors that got meetings so people can make an independent judgment about whether those are people that should have been meeting with the secretary of state and would have gotten meetings with any secretary of state. we haven't seen in this case nefarious on the list yet because there isn't a list. i did a similar story at one point a year or so ago about foundation donors who also lobbied the state department while hillary clinton was at the state department and i thought it was important to put out the list. 181 of them. and i just published the list. >> and i would mention the ap has defended their story and said they have been transparent in the way they reported the story. i'm going give you the last word on this, john. you have been pretty hot under the collar about this idea they should shut the foundation down. tell us why you don't think that should happen. >> because the foundation is saving millions of lives around the world. 11.8 million people have gotten cheap aids drugs around the world, including 800,000 children. two-thirds of the children who

get these drugs because of the clinton foundation. malaria drugs cut down 80 to 90% because of the clinton foundation. it is fair to do this investigation. it is not fair to try to trump up charges to use the word when there is no proof of any wrongdoing. especially when you've got an organization that has done so much good, and i'll conclude by saying what's really bothered me, i expect the trump people to say shut it down, shut it down. but when i've seen hosts of tv shows that have literally said, why don't we shut it down? what's the difference? and then to accuse the clintons of doing something wrong by suggesting that, hey, you know what, maybe we will cut back the foreign donations and things if hillary wins. as if that is a bad thing they're now trying to take forward steps to be more transparent and keep this honest. it's never bad to be honest. but when you're a clinton -- >> john and jonathan, two johns on today. we needed to make john into john. thank you very much. we appreciate you guys being here. and you guys will be back later in the hour. so next, cover your ears,

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people, and you little son of a [ bleep ] socialist [ bleep ]. you -- i need you to -- i want you to record this and make it public, because i am after you. thank you. >> wow. well, that was the sitting governor of maine, and a huge donald trump supporter, page leaving a voicemail for governor gattine, after saying this about the scourge of drug dealers in his state. >> i don't ask him to come to me and sell that poison. but they come. and i will tell you, that 09-plus percent of those pictures in my book and it's -- it's a three-ring binder. are black and hispanic people from waterbury connecticut, the bronx and block lynn. >> in an interview with reporters, governor le page also challenged the state rep to a

duel. >> i wish it was 1825. and we would have a duel. that's how angry i am. and i bet -- and i wouldn't put my gun in the air, guarantee you. i would not be hamilton. i would point it right between his eyes. >> le page has since apologized for using expletives in the the voicemail and says he didn't mean to shoot him in the eyes in a literal sense. he says it was simply a metaphor. joining me is drew gattine. i'm glad to find out you are safe from a duel in the state. what did you say about the governor le page that started this tirade? did you, in fact, call him racist? >> no, actually, i didn't. i was asked about his comments that he made at his town hall wednesday night, about the 90% and three-ring binders. and, you know, i'm chair of the human services committee up here. in maine. and we have a very, very serious

drug crisis. we are -- people are dying. and in our streets from heroin overdose. and my comment was that the governor racially inflammatory comments were not going to help us solve that crisis. and, you know, we really needed the focus back on funding treatment and funding prevention opportunities. and funding law enforcement. but that his focus on the race and ethnicity of people who were selling drugs here really wasn't appropriate, and frankly, i don't believe it's at all true. and it isn't going to help us solve this serious health crisis we have in mohamed bouhlel maine. >> i want to play a couple examples. from a press availability that the governor inexplicably did on friday when he continued along the theme of who the enemy in maine is. take a listen. >> when you go to war, if you know the enemy, the enemy

dresses in red, and you dress in blue. you shoot at red. don't shoot. you've been in uniform. you shoot at the enemy. you try to identify the enemy. and the enemy right now, the overwhelming majority of people coming in are people of color or people of hispanic origin. >> and that is on top of his previous comments about smoothie, shifty and d. money supposedly coming in and i am pregnanting white people in maine. how could he actually be the governor of your state? >> that's a great question. i think a lot of us ask ourselves that question every day. you know, and especially this week when we hear him making these awful, awful comments, that frankly don't reflect what maine people think, and certainly don't reflect the reality of what life is up here in maine.

those are just terrible comments that i think we need to continue to condemn. people of color are not the enemy. we have growing communities of people of color here in maine, and they're making a wonderful contribution to our state. and they're vital to the future of our economy. so you know, this is the governor's style. he gets in the middle of these controversies, and he doubles down. you know, and, you know, i'm sure he will continue to say these kinds of inflammatory things. you know, really calling into question his fitness and capability to continue to be our governor. but, you know, those of us who are opposed to him and his policies are going to continue to speak out. >> and i should note the aclu has filed a freedom of information request, asking for this binder. this three-ring binder containing pictures of every single drug dealer he claims is 90% people of color. have you seen this binder? >> no. and, again, you know, it's just really reflects poorly on the

governor right now. we have a governor who seems to be obsessed with the ethnicity of people who are importing drugs to our state. and continues to, you know, fantasize about shooting lawmakers or, you know -- it's really unfortunate, and maine people really deserve a lot better than what they're getting right now from our governor. >> what do you make of the fact that donald trump has expressed an openness to giving governor le page a promotion? he was asked about whether or not governor le page is somebody he would want to serve in a trump cabinet and his quote was, he's a very talented guy, also a great person, a tremendous person. if he were available, i would certainly find something for paul. what do you make of that? >> well, it's a sign of the times. you know, governor le page -- we have been dealing with governor le page and these types of comments for the last six years here in maine. and, you know, he was -- he -- he's been making these kinds of comments long before donald trump, you know, ever decided to run for president. and, you know, i would be very

happy if he wasn't our governor any more. but i certainly wouldn't wish him upon our national government either. >> we should also note his daughter has been hired by the donald trump campaign. i guess my exit question to you, sir, would be does -- is he hurting donald trump in your state? is his avid support for the trump campaign hurting that campaign in your state? people associate the two of them together? is. >> i think people are definitely associated the two of them together. donald trump is not going to do well in maine. and, you know, i don't think his association with the governor is, you know, a credit to either one of them. frankly. >> yeah. well, i will point out one of our great producers here pointed in and out 1825, duelseses were outlawed in the state of maine so he wouldn't be able to get at you even if it was 1825. but i'm sure you appreciate he can't do it now. it's a very interesting story. we really thank you for getting up to come on today. appreciate it.

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may be more likely to misuse lyrica. now i have less diabetic nerve pain. ask your doctor about lyrica. . welcome back to "a.m. joy." the doctor who wrote that donald trump is the healthiest president in history is speaking out in an nbc news exclusive, revealing new details about the candidate and how that glowing yet oddly worded recommendation came about. nbc's hallie jackson has the story. >> reporter: a remarkable revelation. the only documentation of donald trump's medical history written in five minutes, his doctor says. >> i thought about it all day, and at the end, i get rushed and i get anxious when i get rushed. so i try to get four or five lines as fast as possible. >> dr. harold bornstein who says he examines trump every day,

remembering that december day when a black car from the trump team waited outside his park avenue office. >> five minutes. write that letter while the driver waited. >> reporter: five minutes, four prar paragraphs filled with adjectives trump himself might use. "astonishingly excellent," " "extraordinary" no time he says to proof read. the letter beginning "to whom my concern." >> some of the words didn't come exactly the way they were meant. >> reporter: trump would be the oldest president ever elected. he enjoys fast food. >> the other night i had kentucky fried chicken. not the worst in the world. >> reporter: trump hasn't shared more details about his medical status. bornstein is not concerned. >> his health is excellent, particularly his mental health. he thinks he's the best -- which works out just fine. >> reporter: adding -- >> i think that his brain is turned on 24 hours a day. >> reporter: the doctor,

board-certified in gas tree enterology, now affiliated with lenox hill hospital. trump's doctor for three decades, the candidate's picture hanging in his office. now back in the spotlight as his surrogates question hillary clinton's physical fitness. >> well, so go online and put down "hillary clinton illness" and look at the videos for yourself. >> reporter: clinton releasing a detailed medical record, a couple pages and more than a year old. 2016, unprecedented in how little the public knows about either candidate's health. >> we know a little more about one than the other. our thanks to hallie jackson for that great report. next, something completely different, i promise. don't let dust and allergens get between you and life's beautiful moments. by choosing flonase, you're choosing more complete allergy relief and all the enjoyment that comes along with it. when we breathe in allergens, our bodies react

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political season is so terrible, please talk about something else for five minutes!" so that's exactly what we're going to do right now. let's take a break from the campaign sadness and talk about the tarnished golden boy of the olympics, ryan lochte. while some deals drifted away, this swimmer picked up a gig for pine brothers lozenges. according to "usa today," lochte will trade in the pool for the dance season of "dancing with the stars". lochte still faces charges of filing a false crime report over the incident and he should hope that the brazilian authorities are a little more lenient than my nbc news colleague, al roker. >> he lied to you. >> yeah. >> he lied to matt lauer, lied to his mom. he left his teammates hanging. while he skedaddled. >> he certainly lied about some -- >> no, bill, he lied -- >> some details? robbery.

>> there was no robbery, there was no pullover. there was nothing -- >> a gun pointed to his head. >> he lied. >> i'm joined by my daily beast reporter, jackie reid of w nbc. >> ryan lochte. speak. >> i can't -- i don't know who is advising him, but he needs to track down the real live olivia pope. because, i mean, really. at a time when he should be laying low and really trying to revamp his reputation, and seem remorseful, at least. he's going on "dancing with the stars," in if what seems to be a reward for bad behavior? >> yeah. >> who is -- advising him? >> i do not know. but, you know, the thing that did strike me, though, in watching the olympics. you think about the way gabby douglas has been treated, right? and she didn't even do anything other than stand still and listen reverently to the national anthem. but this guy gets rewarded and is called a child, a kid? what's going on? >> the message for kids is, work hard, go to the olympics, lie

about a criminal act and you'll be on "dancing with the stars." mohamed won a bronze medal. look at dancing with the stars, they had paula deen on two years after she was using the "n" next probably donald trump will be on. i know you want to talk politics. >> we're not talking about politics. >> he was just charged officially yesterday. i mean, i would at least -- if i were him, want those charges to be dealt with and to go away and to at least -- i mean, he could spend from a month to six months in jail! >> right. >> can "dancing with the stars" have pulled it back. he did strike the deal before the incident. but them announcing it seems weird. >> they should have pulled it off the it table. shame on nbc. and he should have pulled out deal. >> what do you think is going on? it is a man-child situation. he's 32 years old. not a kid. but he was the oldest of those four. >> yeah. >> they were 20-year-olds.

>> and he left them hanging for five days! >> he should have known better, frankly. i mean, there is no doubt about it. and maybe he told his mom and his mom let the cat out of the bag. he lied to billy bush, that's very clear. the message is horrible. the olympic team had to apologize. and it overshadowed other olympians, american olympians who had worked their whole lives to get to the olympics and instead of their work being covered, we talked about this guy. >> i've got to get something else. we don't have a ton of time. because we do have a timer on this. we have five minutes we can talk about something else. >> not enough time! >> not enough time. burkinis. work with me here. the idea that women have to essentially get naked to be on a french beach. >> right. >> your thoughts. >> it's ridiculous that france is putting a ban on this. women should be able to wear what they want to. it is just ridiculous and clearly they're targeting muslim women in doing this. although the woman who created the burkini is from australia, you know, and is probably doing card wheecart wheels on a beacha

burkini because her sales are going through the roof. >> they have written it into the law, you have to be secular. is it really fair? because what if somebody wanted to wear a full wrap is a floppy hat, would be covered but not in violation of the wall. >> there are men wearing speedos they should cover up. the good things is, yesterday -- one of the administrative courts in france struck dow the ban. but it was ridiculous. there are men, not me, but men who want to control women. they could be christian, jewish or muslim. it doesn't matter. they want to tell women what they have to wear. in saudi arabia and iran when they say women have to cover up and i'm muslim, that's wrong, unislamic, bad. the flip side, when you tell women you have to undress to come on our beach, that is just as wrong. ridiculous. i'm glad it got struck down. and on a serious note, isis would use this as propaganda. embarrassing women -- >> you have to show your body, you have to show us your body. and the thing that is so

interesting, back in the -- you know, in the day, right, in the early 20th century, you had to wear -- you had to wear like a fully covered up outfit. so this is wrong. we have to do one more thing prince, y'all. okay. they're opening up paisley park. >> yes. on sale, you can go and tour, do a 70-minute tour for $38 and for 1 hundred, a vip longer tour. and see some of his grammys, his costumes from concerts, his instruments. you know, he played i think everything. >> is there a little red corvette ride? >> you go on a motorcycle and something that looks like an loney on the back. that would be the coolest. >> amazing. >> leave me standing alone in a world -- i need to go -- >> nice! >> we're going to do a group trip. we need to go. >> yes! let us go! >> we're going to go. jackie reid, thank you. we'll be back later in the show. jackie and i are two different people, y'all. >> yes, we are. we're play cousins.

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all right. it's time to find out who won the week. i'm joined by dean and john and president of the teradale group. jonathan, you have the disadvantage of not being here. we'll start with you. >> and i'm not fabulous and gorgeous. >> you are though, darling. you are. >> thank you. i don't mean to fish so much. my winner is tim kaine, the democratic preside iic vice pre candidate. yesterday he goes to florida a & m and hijacks the debate by comparing donald trump to the ku klux klan and david duke. the republican national

committee and donald trump hit him. the rnc said what he said was reprehensible. when you are the candidate for vice president and the others come after you that's a victory. even bigger for this reason. i don't know if anybody knew how well tim kaine can blow a dog whistle. the next sentence nobody paid attention to is he talked about the north star we set so long ago. the name of frederick douglas's abolitionist newspaper. the north star polaris at the tip end of the drinking gourd. this was the compass point for escaped slaves to seek freedom and safety in the north. he was comparing donald trump and his supporters to slave owners which you would think the rnc and donald trump would be even more angry about had they been able to hear it. >> the thing that's incredible about the attacks on trump this week on race is the silence of elected republicans and republican surrogates in defending him.

nobody is defending this guy. >> nobody wants to stand up for him. that was what was brilliant about the clinton attack which said you can choose to be with me or choose to be with white supremacists. a lot of voters will think they can vote for trump and not be with white supremacists but if that's the battleground it's terrible turf for a lot of republicans to stand up for trump on. >> absolutely. tara, who won the week? >> we are moving on from racism to misogyny. >> and welcome to. >> along those lines i think the women running for senate on the democratic side won the week. we are seeing a lot of them rise in the polls. theorizing in the polls basically correlating to hillary clinton rising in the polls in those same states. seven of the states expected for democrats to pick up or likely for democrats to pick up or most likely i should say, five of the seven states have women running. one of the strongest is tammy

duckworth in illinois who is doing a great job, really fighting. north carolina, which was unexpected. that was considered a long shot race initially debra ross is putting a rough fight up there. it's bringing it from a long shot to a statistical dead heat in north carolina. so i think the women running for senate, the democrats have won the week. >> when bill clinton won in 1992 that was considered the year of the woman. so many women ran and got elect d. wouldn't it be ironic in a clinton and a woman ushers in another wave of women in the senate. that's interesting. in north carolina, that's the state to watch. so far democrats are either competitive or ahead in every states with wide race. >> trump's misogyny is helping them out. >> bring it in for a landing, dean. who won the week? >> me for being on the show. when i'm on the show i feel like a winner. the people of the united states of america and the idea of

e pluribus unum, from many one. hillary clinton explained what it means. i don't know if people like alt-right or alt rock or a hipster thing. no, it means hate. i have been trying to get the message out about alt-right and brightbart being the enabler. now they will know it is a white supremacist publication. it's anti-muslim, anti-submit tick, anti-african-american, anti-latino. horribly anti-muslim. they have come after people in the community, myself to marginalize us. i'm happy secretary clinton brought it out. now the american people know what they are about. >> traditional conservatives and republicans. understand that they are against them, too. my who won the week is leslie jones. she went up against the alt-right. she was attempted to be destroyed by them but stands strong. "ghostbusters" with an all-girl

cast is a big hit. she was our olympic cheerleader in chief. we love her. they cannot defeat you. when they go low, we go high. leslie jones won the week. thank you very much to tara madd dowdell, dean and jonathan. up next, alex witt talks to the author of a new book about donald trump and more news at the top of the hour. ♪ [announcer] is it a force of nature? or a sales event? the summer of audi sales event is here. get up to a $5,000 bonus on select audi models.

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