this sunday, trump this sunday, trump3.0. is he now against deporting undocumented immigrants? >> there certainly could be a softening. because we're not looking to hurt people. >> there no path to legal zagsz unless people leave the country. >> plus the clinton foundation under fire in a pay for play accusation. if hillary clinton wins will the foundation need to be shout down? finally the toxic state of this campaign. >> through it all he has continued pushing discredited conspiracy theories are racist

underattorn undertones. hillary clinton is a bigot who sees people of color only as votes. >> and what voters think of it. >> rotten eggs. >> dead fish. >> skunk. >> garbage. >> joining me this sunday morning are: welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >> from nbc news in washington this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning. very happy to be back after a break during the olympics. how about team usa though. it was worth that break to watch them dominate. but face it hasn't been a good week for either presidential candidate. beginning with donald trump

revamping his campaign -- again. and then another, and then back again. the involving do deport, don't deport statements confuse the public and even left his own staff tongue tied. at the same time the fbi discovered some 15,000 new clinton state department e-mails which will be released starting next month guaranteeing that issue will follow hillary clinton through the end of this campaign. and what's more, the clinton kpoun faced charges and calls to distance themselves even further from the foundation if hillary clinton wins the presidency. and through it all the candidates called each other names in an increasingly nasty and negative campaign appears to now be turning voters off. we'll see what that means down the road. but we begin with donald trump's ham handed efforts to find a middle ground on deportation. >> in iowa yesterday, trump tried to explain again. >> all the media wants the talk about is the 11 million

people -- >> after a week where an attempt to moderate on emigration turned into a muddle. >> there certainly can be a softening because we're not looking to hurt people. >> i've had people say it is a hardening. >> in five days a dizzying number of positions on immigration. monday trump appeared to defend president obama's policy. >> lots of people were brought out of the country with the existing laws. i'm going to do the same thing. >> as the week went on his positions multiplied. >> they will pay back taxes. they have to pay taxes. there is no amnesty as such. there is no amnesty. >> right. >> but we worked with them. >> there is no path -- >> -- [inaudible]. >> unless people lev the country. >> trump even polled a town hall audience. >> number one we'll say throw it. number two we work with them. ready? number one. number two. [ cheers and applause ] >> who knew that it would be

donald trump to come on and convert the gop base? >> trump's latest confusion may be an attempt to soften his image without alienating long time supporters. in march more than half opposed allowing undocumented immigrants to stay in the country legally even if they met certain requirements. but 70% of voters overall supported eventual legal status. >> trump's position on immigration has been shaking like a magic 8ball. half the time it says just please shake again. >> ben shapiro is a former editor at large at breitbart. breitbart's long time chairman who trump just hired last week to run his flagging campaign. >> if the polls continue to not be very good then i would not be surprised to see abandon start edging out other members of the inner team by saying he's been

telling trump all along he feels he should joust do what's in his heart. >> i'm not saying she's had a stroke or anything like that but this is not the woman that we're used to seeing. >> she doesn't have the stamina to do it even if she wanted to. belief me. >> joining me now is the chairman of the republican party, reince priebus. become back. >> good morning, chuck. >> let's start with immigration. a month ago you predicted in an interview of the washington examineren evolution on this issue by donald trump. is that what we're seeing here? what is his position specifically on the undocumented immigrants? >> well you are going to find out from donald trump very shortly. he's going to be giving prepared a remarks on this issue i think very soon. i don't want to give a date. >> we don't know? >> no. >> it is sort of remarkable that we don't know. >> no. i just don't speak for donald trump. here is what i do know. his position is going to be tough: his position is going to be fair.

but his position is going to be humane. he's going to build and complete the border wall that was set in place in 2006 by congress. it is going to be paid for. i believe that he is going to when he talks about deportation, he's going to go after people who are here and are criminals and shouldn't be here. >> who is a criminal under this circumstance though? some people believe just being here illegally a crime and that makes you a criminal. does that count? >> those are the things that donald trump is going to answer. and this is not obviously a simple question. these are not simple issues. if they were simple, obviously the position -- >> he simplified a lot during the primaries. some would argue ovsilied it. >> he did simplify it. but now he's reflecting it on and his position is going to be known. think i the part about where donald trump is on this is he's a guy who's going to be tougher on this issue, tougher on illegal i immigration than any

politician we've ever had as a nominee or ever could have as a nominee. that is not going change. he's going teb a law and order candidate and a law and order president. >> do you agree with. so the analysis that says oh this is jeb bush's policy. >> i really don't. because you are not going to see an easy path to legalization. you are not going to see that in a donald trump plan. >> you thought jeb bush's plan -- >> i think it was an easier plan to legalization. the gangs of eight was an easier plan to citizenship. you are not going to have a pathway to citizenship with donald trump. that is off the table. there is no meth by which someone is here legally that is going to become a citizen and jump the line as hillary clinton wants to do. the real issue is look at the two plans. look at where hillary clinton is. she wants to put barack obama's immigration plan on steroids. she wants millions of people here illegally to cut the line.

>> donald trump praised parts of the barack barack obama's immigration. >> parts of it. >> -- >> but not executive amnesty. not illegal immigrants jumping the line like hillary clinton wants to do. that is the issue. the issue is this is an election of choices. one allow every in through complete amnesty. or number two, a tough plan that is fair and humane. that's it. >> firth right citizenship. it is still on donald trump's website. is he going to call for the end of birth right citizenship? >> you are going to is and him. >> where is the republican party on this? do you think that is should be something that should be the position of the republican party. >> i believe in the interpretation of the supreme court on the issue. >> so you are comfortable with birth right citizenship. >> i'm comfortable with it. i'm comfortable with it. i'm comfortable with it with the supreme court rulings on the issue. >> so you think donald trump -- your advice to him would be don't be touching birth right citizenship. >> a nominee is not -- does not

have the -- doesn't have to adopt every single position and platform position of the republican party. we're talking about? what my opinion is on birth right citizenship does not necessarily have to be adopted by a nominee. my exact view of immigration and how it should be pursued does not have to be adopted by a novm. >> leapt me ask you this. in the infamous 2013 autopsy. this is what was written in it. if his pac americans perceive that a gop nominee or candidate does not want them in the united states, i.e. self deportation, they will not pay attention to our next sentence. do you think donald trump understands this analysis? >> i think e he understands it complete. >> i is that what the evolution is all about? >> what i think is that donald trump understands that with every position that is taken and as you get closer to the white

house, a degree of humanity and decency is part of every decision that needs to be made. and i know donald trump. i know donald trump in private. i've talked to him every day. i know what he's think about a lot of these issues and this is a good and decent man that wants to do the right thing and wants to take every position that he's talking about and pepper it with decency, dignity and humanity. >> let's talk about race. donald trump called hillary clinton a bigot this week. do you think she's a bigot? >> look, this is what i think. these are not my words. i think you have to look at people's actions. if you look at donald trump and his actions in developing and promoting women. and lack at mar ayla go. mar-a-lago.

it was bill clinton in her campaign in 2008 that questioned the success of barack obama not based on his talent but based on his race. it was their campaign. why can't we start judging these people based on what they actually did? she gave out state secrets. she talked about race in a way that's unacceptable. >> and in this morning's "new york times" outlines what donald trump's and his father may have done when it came to basically keeping african americans from being able to rent -- >> here's the thing "may of done." here is the issue. look at what he did do. if you look at what he's done as the developer in putting together golf courses, these club, the things that he's been doing for the last several decades, he has broken the mold when it comes to this issue. and i can tell you where his heart's at. i know where his heart's at. >> one of the things he said. he said hillary clinton only views african americans as

votes. not as human beings and this is what he tweeted out yesterday morning after the tragedy aggregate dwayne wade, former miami heat now chicago bull who's cousin was shot and killed in chicago. dwayne wade's cousin was just shot and killed walking her baby in chicago. just what i've been saying, african americans will in all caps vote trump. appropriate? >> here is where i think he's frustrated with. is that democrats, i think have been taking advantage of this vote and providing very little leadership to get things done in urban areas across america. i worked in wisconsin for tommy thompson when the first private school choice bill was put together. democrats out of the cities, democrats in the power ways of their parties that fought school choice across the state of wisconsin wisconsin. and to me. if you want to look at leadership in the city, in education reform, freeing up sba

loans for black small business owners. these are the things our party is championing and he sees that and it is frustrating to see that the democrats go into these cities, i think take advantage of the vote and provide very little leadership in return. >> are you happy with -- >> i go with the flow based on what the campaign want dosmts i think kellyanne is doing a phenomenal job. i don't know steve bannan. >> we're learning his background. it's quite uncommon. is this the proper background donald trump should be hiring if he's trying to appeal to women, for instance. >> i don't know how much is true north. neither do you. i don't speculate based on what other third parties say about people. i tend to judge people based on what i see and what i interact with. >> one final question with the issue of the clinton foundation and the tax returns. donald trump has been hitting

her hard all sts of the behind the scenes, pay for play allegations. does it undercut his message if he won't release his tax returns. would he be on higher ground here if we saw -- >> no i don't think so -- >> by the way roger stone is the latest republican to call for donald trump to release his tax returns. a close friend of trumps. >> i don't think so. if you look at what hillary clinton has done, i think when voters look at what hillary clinton actually did. they see somebody they believe broke the law. they see somebody who they believe gave away state secrets. they see somebody that went out of her way. >> -- jup judge -- >> but you are judging -- >> but with e don't know, that is the point. in we don't know. >> we know that hillary clinton shouldn't be trusted with national secrets and with the most -- the most precious information that our country has this their hands. we know she can't be trusted. are you equating the known conclusion that she can't be

trusted with state secrets to what could be in donald trump's taxes? >> we've had a history of every major nominee releasing their tax returns, reince. every major presidential nominee and by the way he is a provide businessman who's companies may or may not benefit from him being president. that is something voters should want to know. >> i'm not suggesting that it is isn't a subject that good journalists don't discuss. what i'm suggesting is it is preposterous to compare someone that we know gave away national secrets. >> you are making an assumption. we don't know that. >> we do know. >> it is the vulnerability. but you are making -- >> -- james comey. >> went to the next leap -- >> case for gross negligence. >> i understand casey laid out bewe don'tacry out. we don't have a smoking gun. >> we know that confidential top secret e-mails were part of the

information that was put in a private secret server. we know that to be the case. you are equating that knowledge to the possibility of maybe something isn't right in a tax return that we don't know about. >> okay. reince priebus i will leave it there. good luck. >> it's been a good two weeks for donald trump. and a bad two weeks for hillary clinton. >> all rightment. we'll let the panel assess that question right very now. >> you bet. >> the panel is here. hugh hewitt, robert costa and joy reed. costa, has it been a good two weeks for trump and bad for hillary clinton? >> you have change for trump. but this is a candidate who's uncomfortable staying on script. so we'll have to see how long it lasts. >> is he done damage on immigration or not hugh? >> i think he's helped himself a lot by appearing to bring more humanity into to his position,

especially with regard to families. it was a terrible two weeks. i think what we will here. eight letters. foreign agent registration act, foreign corrupt practices act. the clinton foundation is in trouble. doug bannion. even the former president is in trouble on these two very complex, very applicable laws. >> i think donald trump has helped himself on imgauges migry muddying the waters, making it a little less controversial on deportation but he has to eventually become more specific by the debate let's say. but i think on the law, go back to what comey said. and what comey said to the committee that there was no and in the letter afterwards that he finds no basis for prosecution and that has to be the bottom line. >> and in the last part that chairman priebus and i were going back and forth on, this issue of okay you have the issues of the people have with the clinton foundation and what we don't know about trump's

businesses. is this equal or not? >> no. it is not even close to be equal. and one of the things that's been interesting in the last couple weeks is when we've discovered one of the few things we've been able to figure out about trump's business deals is how much he owes to foreign banks. i think people do have a right to know what business interests and what debts a potential president might have. but i will tell you on the other side of that ledger one of the concerns a lot of democratic strategists have had has been ab lack of energy around the clinton chain. donald trump has done more to energize african americans against him than hillary clinton has done in a year. >> the steve bannan. what did you make of that. >> it tells me that there is -- >> -- i will say this. that for every steve bannan and breitbart there is a --. for every ann colter there is a

michael moore. for every --. >> there isn't somebody with with connections to white nationalism except steve bannan and i think that is a significant problem for the trump campaign. >> so the trump's campaign meeting today at new jersey. i've been covering bannion. he's done zero press appearances. he has conway as the face of the campaign. but the reports they are getting a lot of republicans nervous. >> that was a tell to me. >> absolutely. >> thattish -- sounds to me if t chairman had his preference bannion would not be there. >> all right. we'll be back in a moment. to talk about the other person who had a rough week this week. hillary clinton. the 15,000 new e-mails and charges that the clinton campaign operated on a pay for play basis. and we talked about the ugliness of the campaign season but we had a really ugly moment earlier this week. take a listen. >> i would like to talk to you

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welcome back. turning now to a week that saw hillary clinton once again facing questions about her private e-mail server and then accusations of so called pay per

play at the clinton foundation or at least a pay for access. eight years ago after barack obama was first elected members of his team expressed concerns about that foundation as clinton was tapped as secretary of state. joining me now the architect of the obama 2008 and 12 campaigns. and currently advisor at uber. welcome back to the show. i know you were not in the transition negotiations at the time but there were definitely concerns about the appearance of a clinton as secretary of state and another clinton raising money from foreign entities at a private foundation. do you believe the clintons upheld their end of the barring b when it came to the memo of understanding that was signed by the white house at the time? >> i do. and i think you have to stack check. the clinton foundation has done remarkable work around the world.

around hiv aids, malaria. i think there are legitimate questions, particular apply if she's president. i think they will answer by saying bill clinton will step down from the board. but i think if you look at this from a campaign perspective you have the foundation and then you have donald trump's murky world. the only presidential candidate ever not to release taxes. and amazing thing. the thing i think he's most concerned about is what's in his tax returns and then you have his business deals. his foreign policy is basically centered around attacks on china. probably has hundreds of millions of dollars of kprpds there exposure. and the vladimir putin. and there are real questions around his business. if you look at both of these candidates in terms of who can you trust and financial deals i don't think there is comparison. >> why is what was okay at state not okay as president? and makes you wonder.

why wasn't there thought of former bill clinton stepping down from the foundation eight years ago? >> well listen, i think there's been a lot of transparency. i think there's been a great deal, obviously releasing of donors. and lot more information being released as why there is more attention on this. i think it's appropriate. by the way i'm glad they are not falling into the trap of shutting down the clinton foundation. >> why? >> they do remarkable work. all around the world. and as long as there is the right transparency and accountability and those procedures are clear to the public, i think it is a huge attribute and contribution to the world. >> isn't it a concern, if you are at the clinton foundation and you are a major donor, isn't it a concern now if you are a donor, considering how much a polical hot potato it could be, doesn't it undermine the clinton foundation's efforts because of the political nature now of things involving it? >> i don't think so. i think if you are someone who cares about the work, the clinton foundation is doing

around the world, you are going to be very very passionate about continuing that work going forward. and if anything i think people are going to intensify. because i think at the end of the day these are political attacks. i get it. we're in a political season. but it is undeniable. it is a universal fact that the clinton foundation has been a great addition to the global scene. >> i guess the issue has to do with the purchasing of access. which is legal. supreme court has said it is essentially legal to buy access of a politician within reason. not to get something if return beyond access. but is that really the problem, the fact that that is legal? that essentially a lot of people do expect access in return for a contribution? >> well my strong belief is i don't think people gave to the clinton foundation expecting access. look at some of the people listed in these fairly e rhonis press reports.

>> as secretary of state you are going to meet with leaders all over the world. you do that anyway in the course of business every day. >> i want to ask about the race in general. the last time you were on. you expressed concernen hillary clinton couldn't do well in places like virginia and colorado. it is the first two states the campaign has pulled out of because they think they put the campaign away. how did you miss that? why did you misread those two states in particular, i'm just curious. >> two stuff state, i think they were uniquely suited to barack obama. so when we had that conversation, i think that assessment was that donald trump would try do some things to appeal to the middle of the electron rate. he's not. basically have a psychopath running for president. he meets the clinical definition. >> wait a minute. you do really -- diagnosing

people on air. i assume you don't have a degree in psychology. is that fair? we're jumping to conclusions i think this is what gets voters a little frustrated with this campaign. >> the grandiose notion of self worth. pathological lying. lack of empathy and remorse. i think he does. right i don't have a degree in psychology. but here the race sits today. i think hillary clinton is guaranteed at least 270 electoral votes. >> earlier this week you basically said this is over. we don't know the margin. >> i think that is right. i think at the end of the day. you know, there is maybe o a 20% chance it is close 2 or 3 points. i think it is likely going to be a landslide. look at every day state. pennsylvania, droump has less than zero% chance. and states like new hampshire, florida, ohio, nevada.

she's clearly got the advantage. has donald trump done anything to attract younger voters, women, minority voters? he doesn't. >> prepping for a debate is going to be very difficult. who would you have portray trump in mock debates with her? >> well that is a great question. i think -- well it is going to be difficult because you are going to have to prepare for many different trumps. kind of well, behaved modest trump, i doubt we'll see that. off the rails trump. a trump who doesn't prepare for anything. and apparently paced on reports that is how they are doing it. i think actually the job of preparing for trump is difficult. to you are going to have somebody who can play many roles. >> you were in the white house dealing with politician of obamacare for years. these are headlines just in the last couple of weeks. washington post one is the one i want to emphasize today. healthcare exchange sign ups

fall far short of forecasts, literally of one-half of what was projected at this point in time on sign ups. let me ask you this. how concerned are you that obamacare could implode on itself, considering what we've seen this year. it's not been a good year for it. >> not at all chuck. i think you have to step back. so you have had millions and millions of americans and their families now have healthcare coverage. you are seeing a left innovation around payments. healthcare costs obviously having have been on a decent trajectory in terms of overall costs for the country. so i think what will happen after this election is obviously vul the space to say okay, what's working well? and i think almost all of it. what needs to be strengthened? i think you will see a lot of the republican governors finally accept medicaid funding. there is going to be a very important contribution to the country. >> given all of the insurance companies that have bailed from the exchange, was bailing on a public option not a mistake?

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back now at with panel. before we get into the clinton foundation staff bit. while i was interviewing chairman priebus and he was talking about the -- mike pence was on cnn at the at the same time. and let's be clear. nothing has changed. his position on illegal immigration. his principals and policies have been consistent. and that reminding me of something earlier this week. >> he hasn't changed his

position on immigration. he's changed the words that he is saying. what he has always said from the beginning is that he does not want to allow people to stay in this country illegally. >> priebus admitted that he's changed his position. what he's said in the primaries is different now. are they playing too many rhetorical games here. >> as long as donald trump remains fixed on the fence. he's always been ambiguous on touchback. who knows what it pleasant but that ambiguity is catching up. >> -- donald trump tends to reflect the words of the last person that spoke to him. sy and i think you can now see the different between the kellyanne conway faction that says it is softenering and i think he got upset with the word softening and now it's hard and durable and strong wall.

and he's reflecting whoever is nearist him or the crowd that is cheering. >> the crowd kmeerg. you saw when he did a poll and said to the crowd at the hannity town hall? what do you want? do you want to deport them all? not deport them all? which? like the roman circuses. he's reacting to that and there is a fight for the mind and heart of donald trump. and. >> right "now" kellyanne is winning. >> -- roger ailes there. laura ingram there. steve bannon. kellyanne conway. the family that is worried about the brand for trump. and all these voices. and trump doesn't have this populous nationalist core. he's latched on that to that movement so that is not really who he is at this crucial juncture he's being flooded with advi

advice. >> the businessman in him. that is why he keeps gravitating to middle ground because ultimately middle ground is -- >> -- point out that kellyanne said that roger ailes was not at that meeting. there is a disconnect there. and your reporting is one thing. roge -- ailes. >> ailes may have been in bed minster. >> if there is a person that is so easily suede by the loudest voice in the moment? what does that mean for his actual decision making as president? and then you start to look at the people around him. people like steve bannon and that inner circle. they will be incredibly powerfully. >> i this i we may be one drop away from bannon not being a part of this campaign. >> secretary clinton carries more baggage. and sidney blumenthal.

if you want to talk about toxic candidate, hone in on blumenthal and the clinton campaign from the nineties. >> not more than stephen bannon. and talk about the people around him. donald trump's economic advisors are his donors. and they have written an economic policy that would be very beneficial to them personally and to donald trump an his family. ending the estate tax. these are dealing inside the campaign. >> -- i guess andrea what i don't understand, the obama -- knew this was a problem eight months ago. >> also mooens -- and it was interesting. -- wasn't fully comfortable wrapping his arms around the foundation. and none of obama world is. i've noticed this week. they rally around her all the time, exception when the foundation comes up. i didn't see a lot of dan pfeifer, david axelrod tweet this is week backing herb up. >> here is the pushback.

they say they are winding it down. i'm told it is really hard to wind it down. one joe scarborough asked why not turn it over to the gates foundation. they do grants. they don't go operations on the ground. there are different types of foundations. they have already accepted the whole healthcare component which is one of the largest components. that will not be wound down. chelsea clinton is going to be on the board. they have been saying this for a while. the fact is she's going to be on the board -- >> -- >> let me just finish. bill clinton just said to all of us on the press on wednesday that they are not -- they don't want anyone to be fired. so it is going to be a slow wind down. it is not going to be wind down by the time she takes over if she's elect. >> that is not excuse for breaking the law. >> -- >> there is no law. >> sure. the quo and prid quo is the

meeting. >> -- [inaudible]. the kwid is to very wealthy people, give us money so we can give people aids drugs. and the pro is huma abedin may call you back. and the george bush foundation, which benefits his him, his library. kpais existed all through the years of his son's presidency. i don't recall asking about that. this foundation does not financially benefit the clinton family at all. >> the state department which has been very uncomfortable about a lot of this has said they find nothing where there is proof of action. and i got to tell you. when by went through the ap story they found e-mails -- >> when we're debate, proof of this, proof of that. here is what the voter hears.

rich people get access. and that's legal. and that is american politics. >> so this is the key question when i'm out on the trails yesterday talking to swing voters and others who are for trump. you get the sense that the clintons came out and had the big speech on the at right and the breitbartification of the clinton campaign and etc. you have 75 days left. is it about the clinton campaign and the foundation or about the alt-right and trump? >> great point. when we come back, republicans are making registration gains in some battle ground stakes. democrats are making gains in those same parts of battle ground states ♪ hey, is this our turn? honey...our turn? yeah, we go left right here. (woman vo) great adventures are still out there. we'll find them in our subaru outback. (avo) love.

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fall but the numbers show a mixed picture. let's go through it. we decided to look at five battleground states with significant hispanic populations. north carolina florida, colorado, arizona and nevada. woe know the unusual fight did increase in republican reg station in all states. how do you explained the increased democratic registration? hispanicss in these five states 18 counties with hispanics over a hundred thousand. in 14 of the 18 registration grew at a higher rate than the state as a whole. and in 15 of these counts registration advantage went to the democrats. this is significant because in the growing counties newly

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we and we arere back. this has been, shall we say, an ugly week in american politics. let me just roll a compilation here. >> hillary clinton is a bigot. >> we should be talking about hillary clinton's health. >> go online, and put in hillary clinton illness, take a look at the videos for yourself. >> john mccain has gotten weak, he's gotten old. i do know what happens to the body and mind at the end of life. >> through it all he has continued pushing discredited conspiracy theories with racist undertones. >> i think mr. trump who we know has paid zero in taxes in the last four years. >> if you look at a guy's tax

return and find he's using every trick and dodge he can to not pay his taxes there is a guy who's trying to dodge our veterans. >> mainstreamic innuendo. and b i didn't even bring up the lowest moment of the week. took place in the state of maine. let me play an excerpt of this horrendous voice mail the governor of maine left for his state legislature. >> i would like to talk to you about your comments about being a racist [ bleep ]. and i want to talk to you. you -- i want you to prove that i'm a racist. i spend my life helping black people and you little son of a [ bleep ] socialist [ bleep ]. >> wow. and i didn't even bring up. we had the --. we've surpassed anything.

>> and i go back to -- you showed a bit of peter hart's focus group. >> i have more of it. >> and their reactions when asked what is the odor of the scent of this campaign. skunk -- >> let's hear pretty them. let me show you. >> from chemistry class, sulfur, rotten education. garbage. >> i can't say it on the air i'll say dead fish. >> distinction. >> garbage. >> rotten education. >> skunk. >> skunk. >> skunk. >> garbage. >> manure. >> let me set that scene. that is a focus group of 12 people. four are trump voters. four are clinton voters. four undecided. they were unified on one things, the odor of the this campaign. >> came down to loathing of the hillary clinton. even among supporters. to real fear of donald trump because of things he said and because of how the clinton team has portrayed him as being

reckless and not up to being commander in chief. >> i think we have -- what are we doing? it's getting uglier and louder that elected officials feel like they have to say some of these -- to get through? >> the great irony here is hillary clinton did this big speech introducing the alt-right to america. this is one of their idea, one of their driving ideas and breitbart.com embodies this explode the idea of the political correctness. to say whatever you want on race. whatever you want about gender because their ideas of political correctness is what is destroying conservative, and the country. and this is the campaign of the breitbart world's dreams. >> when i talk to source us close to the trump campaign, the outlook is bleak. if the clinton campaign can make the argument that this is about

temperament and tone. the swing voters are likely to tilt to clinton. >> this is bigger than trump and clinton. i don't want the get lost here. to me this is bigger than trump and clinton, in that we have conditioned the american political -- sis -- whatever you want to call it now, american politics the institution to this vile crud. >> as the resentment election. some are run on celebration. some on hope like president obama's in 2008. these two candidates have been around for so long in the public eye where they have many, many enemies. we've had two cycles where people were afraid to take the gloves off. right now a cycle where both have been punching bags for everyone. >> also it is clear that senators can say drug dealer -- >> -- a great senator called defining deviancesy down. and what we have now is a

political debate that is so coarse and so vulgar. i guess you could say who started? >> it is not about who started. >> [ inaudible ]. >> no it is but there is rough and then there is rough. >> name calling here that is beyond -- >> -- defined a new low. go back and look at sail sarah palin rallies in 2008: a lot of neuromuscular african americans looked at that campaign and said this is the beginning of the opening of a door and there is a pivot point that we can say did begin with the ascension of the barack obama. >> you see rough campaigns throughout history. especially after two terms of a presidency. reagan, 88 was a rough campaign. 68 had a lot of fire to it. i know this is different because it is 24/7 media environment and incendiary each minute and everybody -- >> a lot of the profk tours are also moneymakers. there is money to be made mere.

>> and the fact checking doesn't seem to matter. >> we're in a posttruth world. back in 45 seconds with end game. the opponents of the political correctness. speaking of political correctness, got an interesting ally this week in the unlikely les of places. of places. >> coming up, "meet the press" end game brought to you by end game brought to you by boei be the you who doesn't cover your moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. be the you who shows up in that dress. who hugs a friend. who is done with treatments that don't give you clearer skin.

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retreat from ideas and perspectives at odds with their own. i have to say this came across after what's been an odd few years of maybe over campus reactions. >> l of researchers at elite schools that don'tave the same problems that public universities have are putting this out. there are guidelines. most universities now. we're not canceling speeches no matter how controversial or how offensive. and that gets back to the definitions all the way to the supreme court. >> the purpose of going to college. >> to have debate and to have access to controversial. >> this was done by a committee by professor jeffrey stone. i used his case book teaching for years. he's an adamant defender of open expression everywhere. and it is long overdue and i'm not surprised the university of chicago started it. >> you know, somebody might say you just talked about the meanness of the campaign before and now you guys are praising. but there is a difference. this is being done with intellectual heft to it.

>> as the daughter of a college professor i will say that there are a lot of teachers in these colleges who are nervous about the lectures they give because there might be a reaction. you know, i think we've gone too far in the direction of not allowing intellectual debate and ideas that make you uncomfortable. i think as long as colleges are careful not to allow harassment which can also happen. so you have to ambulanbalance t >> there is a really protest movement. people are politically engaged but i do agree there is too much sensitivity to deferring view. everyone should be respected. when i was at notre dame i loved when i heard from the far left and far right. >> one day i saw jesse jackson come to g.w. and the next day newt gingrich. and it was great. and i went to both event zbrs and hillary clinton started as wellesley as the -- republican girl. and it was all the talk and people she cam in contact that

changed her. >> and -- >> and this goes to the issue of diversity which does ideology should that be a part of the diversity conversation in news rooms and all sorts of places? >> and your comment about the 88 campaign. i covered it. it was a rough campaign. but it was pre talk radio. pre cable tv really. and pre internet. and the velocity of what's going back and forth and the anonymity as you were suggesting off camera, the meanness and the crudeness of this campaign and the fact that you can get four pinocchios but it doesn't matter because we aren't trusted either. >> because everyone is listening to their own mega phones. what a week. good to be back. i love the olympics but i was done with the marathons. we've got on our marathon, 70 plus days it. that's it for today. we'll back next week.

fit's sunday, it's neat press. "meet the press" . good afternoon, i'm sheinelle jones in new york. 3:00 on the east coast and noon out west. just days after donald trump signalled a surprising shift on his immigration policy, running mate mike pence says that policy remains unchanged. >> let's be very clear. nothing has changed about donald trump's position. on dealing with illegal immigration, we're going to secure the border. we're going to build a wall. have a physical barrier. we're going to enforce the laws of this country in san ry ware cities. implement everify but there will be no path to citizen or legalization unless people leave the country.