this sunday, trump 3.0. donald trump's evolving positions on immigration. is he now against deporting undocumented immigrants? >> there certainly can be a softens becase we're not loong to hurtpeople. >> or is he still for it? >> there is no path to legalization, unless people leave the country. >> or ise not re? we'll ask the head of the rns reince priebus and the clinton foundation under fire amid pay fo play ausations. if hiary clinton wins, will that foundation need to be shut down? finally, the toxic state of this campaign. >> through it all, he h continuedushing discredited conspiracy theories with racist

under tones. >> hillary clinton is a bigot who sees people of color only as voters. >> and what voters think of it. >> rotten eggs. >> skunk. >> garbage. >> joining me this sunday morning are andrea mitchell, nbc ws's chief foreign affairs correspondent. hugh hewitt and joy reid welcome to sunday, it's "meet the press". >> announcer: from nbc news in wahington this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. good sundayrni and we're happy to be bac after a break for the olympics. ow about team usa? worth the break to watch them donate. let's state the obvious. it hasn't been a good week for either presidential candidate frankly or for the institution of american politics. a week that reagan with donald trump revamping ending with him

stating immigration and anher and back on. the evolving do deport, don't deport statements confused the public and left his staff tongue tied at times. at the same time, the fbi discovered some 15,000 new clinton state department e-mails that will be released starting next month guaranteeing that issue will follow hillary clinton through the end of this campaign. once more, the clinton foundation faced pay for play charges and calls for the clinton's to distance themselves further from the foundation if hillary clinton wins the presidencand candidates called each other names in a nasty and negative campaign that appears to be turning voters off. we'll see what that means down the road. but we begin with donald trump's ham-handed efforts to find a middle ground on deportation. was he for it before he was against it or a little bit of both? in iowa yesterday, trump tried to explain again. >> all the media wants to talk about is the 11 million people.

>> after a week in an attempt to moderate immigration turned into a muddle. >> there certaly can be a softening because we're not looking to hurt people. >> i heard people say it's a harden hardening. >> monday, trump appeared to defend topresident obama's poli. >> lots of people were brought into the country with existing laws. >> as the week went on, his position multiplied. >> they have to pay back taxes. they have to pay taxes. there is no aesty, as such. there is no amnesty. >> there is no path to legalization. we talked about -- >> unless people leave the country. >> trump even polled a town hall audience. >> number one we'll see throw out. number two, we work with them. ready? number one. number two. [ cheers ] >> who knew that it would be donald trump? [ laughter ] >> to come and convert the gop

base. >> trump's latest confusion ma be an attempt to soften his image witut alienating long-time supporters n. march more than half of trump supporters opposed allowing immigrants to stay in the country legally if they met certain requirements but 74% of voters overall supported eventual actual legal status. >> trump's positions on immigration is like shaking a magic eight ball. half the time it comes up and says shake again. it's reflecting what positions ought to be. >> a former editor at large, the national's right-leaning website and critic of steve ban none. the long-time char main trump hired to run the flagging campaign. >> if the polls continue to not be good, then i would not be surprised to see him start edging out other members of the team by saying he's been telling trump all along he should do what he feels is in his heart. >> he's ming the influence felt about clinton's health.

>>i'm not saying she's had a stroke or anything like that but this is not the woman that we're used to seeing. >> she doesn't have the stamina to do it even if she wanted to, believe me. >> well, joining me now is the chairman of the republican party reince priebus. welcome back, sir. let's start with immigration. a month ago you predicted in an interview with the "washington examiner" what is his position specifically on the immigrants? >> you'll see he's giving prepared remarks on the issue i think very soon. i don't want to give a date. i think -- let me. >> we don't know? i mean thanks is sort of remarkable we don't know. >> i don't speak for donald trump. that's what i do know. here is what i know. his position will be tough. his position will be fair, but his position is going to be humane. he's going to build and complete the border wall that was set in place in 2006 by congress.

it's going to be paid for. i believe that he is going to when he talks about deportation, he'll go after people here and are criminals and shouldn't be here. >> who is a criminal under this circumstance, though? some people believe just being here illegally is a crime. >> sure. >> and that makes you a criminal. does that count? >> well, look, those are the things that donald trump is going to answer, and this is not obviously a simple question. these are not simple issues. if they were simple, obviouy, the position -- >> simplified it a lo during the primaries some would argue over simplified it. >> he did simplify it. now he's reflecting on it and his position is going to be null. here is the thing, the part about what -- where donald trump is on this, is he's a guy whose going to be tougher on this issue tougher on illegal immigrationthan any politician we've had as a nominee or ever could hve as a nominee. that's going to change. he's going to be a law and order candidate, he is. and a law and order president.

>> do you agree with some of the analysis that says this is jeb bush's policy? >> i don't. i don't thin you're going to see an esy path to legalization. >> bush's plan provided an easier plan. >> the gang of eight was an easier plan to legalization, an easier plan to citizen ship. you're not going to have a pathway to citizen ship with donald trump. that's off the table. there is no method by which someone is here illegally that is going to become a citizen and jump the line as hillary clinton wants to do. i mean, the real issue is look at the two plans. look where hillary clinton is. she wants to put barack obama's immigration plan on steroids. she wants millions of people who are here illegally to cut the line before anyone else. >> donald trump praised parts of barack obama's immigration. >> parts of it. >> as far as deportation. >> parts of it but not illegal immigrants jumping the line like

hillary clinton wants to do. that's the issuement t. the issue is this is an election of choices. one, allow everyone in through complete amnesty or number two, a tough plan that's pafair and human. >> citizen ship is still on donald trump's plan. >> you'll have to askhim. >> where is the republican party on this? do you think that should be something that should be the position o the republican party? >> no, i believe in the interpretation of the supreme court o o the issue. >> so you're comfortable with birthright citizen ship? >> i'm comfortable with it. i'm comfortable with it. i'm comfortable with the supreme court rulings on the issue. >> so your advice to him would be don't be touching birthright citizen ship? >> a nominee is not -- does not have the -- doesn't have to adopt every single position and platform position of the republican party. if -- we're talking about and

what my opinion is on birthright citizen shipoes no necessarily have to be adopted by a nominee. my exact view of immigration and how it should be pursuedoes not have to be adopted by a nominee. >> let me ask you this, in the infamous 2013 autopsy, this is what was written in it. if hispanic americans perceive a gop nominee or candidate does not want them in the united states, i.e. self-deportation, they will not pay attention to the next sentence. do you think donald trump understands this analysis? >> i think he understands it complely. i think -- >> is that what this evolution is about? >> you know what? i don't know -- when you say what the evolution is about, what i think is that donald trump understands that with every position that it's taken and as you get closer to the white house, a degree of humani humanity and decency is part of every decision needs to be made. i know donald trump in priva. i talk to him every day. i know what he's thinkingbout

the issues and thiis a good and descent man tha wants to do the right thing and take every position he's talking abt and pepper it with decency,ignity and human tar. >> let's talk about race. donald trump called hillary clinton a bigot this week. do you think she is? >> you have to look at people's actions. you look at donald trump and his actions and developing and promoting women and breaking a mold, which today we think is nuts but 40ears ago broke the mold in allowing anyone with any bre background, any faith, you look at hillary clinton. she labeled african american as super predators. her campaign and supporters in her campaign were the ones that the birther movement. it was bill clinton and her campaign in 2008 that questioned the success of barack obama, not based on his talent, but based on his race. it was their campaign. why can't we start judging these people based on what they

actually did? sh gave out state secrets. she talked abt race in a way that's unacceptable. >> th week's new york tim outle what tmp and his father may have done when it comes to basically keeping african americans --- >> mayave done. this is the issue. this whate may have done. >> if you look at what he's done as a developer, and putting clubs, the things he's been doing for the last several decades, he has broken the mold when it comes to this issue, and i can tell you where his heart is at. i know where his heart is at. >> one of the things he said, he said hillary clinton only views african americans as votes. not as human beings and this is what he tweeted out yesterday morning after the tragedy about dwayne wade, former heat, chicago bull whose cousin was shot and killed in chicago. dwayne wade's cousin was shot and killed walking her baby in

chicago. what i've been sayg, african americans will in all caps vote trump. appropriate? >> here is what i think he's frustrated with. democrats, i think, have been taking advantage of this vote and providing very little leadership to get things done in urban areas across america. i worked in wisconsin for tommy thompson when the first private school choice bill was put together. it was democrats out of the cities, democrats in the power base of their party that fought school choice across the state of wisconsin. and to me, if you want to look at leadership in the cities, it's education reform, it's freeing up sba loans. these are things our party is champing and he says that and it's frustrating to see that the democrats go into these cities, i think take advantage of the vote and provide very little leadership in return. >> are you happy with the hires?

>> look, i go with the flow, based on whathe campgn wants to do. i think kelly ann is doing a phenomenal job. i don't know steve bannon. >> we're learning his background and some of it -- is this the proper background that donald trump should be hiring if he's trying to appeal to women for instance? >> i don't know how much of it is true or not, neither doyou. i don't speculate based on what other third parties say abut people. i tend to judge people on what i ee and interact with. >> one final question when it comes to the issue of the clinton fountionand tax returns. i want to ask it this way. donald trump has been hitting her hard and saying all sorts of behind the scenes, pay for play allegations. does he have -- does it under cut the message if he doesn't release tax returns? would he have higher ground here and criticizing clinton's finances if we saw his tax returns? >> i don't think so. >> roger stone is the latest republin to call for donald

trump to releasehe tax returns alose friend of trump's? >> i don't think so. if you look at what hillary clinton has done -- whenors loo at whathillary clton actually did, they see somebody that theyelieve broke the law. they see somebody who gave away state secrets and see somebody that went out of her way -- >> donald trump -- >> but you're judging -- >> we don't know. that's the point. >> but do you think -- >> let me ask you, if we don't know -- >> we know hillary clinton shouldn't be trusted with national secrets and with the most precious -- theost precious informaon that our country has in their hands. we know she can't be usted. e you equating that the kno -- wait -- >> conclusion that she can't be trusted with state secrets to what could be in donald trump's taxes? >> we've had a history of every major nominee releasing their tax returns reince -- >> i not suggesting -- >> i'm -- >> he's a private businessman whose companies may or may not benefit from him being president. that's something vote should want toknow. >> i'm not suggesting it's a

suect good journalist don' know. i'm suggeing it's preposterous. >> to equate -- >> someone we know ga away -- >> you're making an assumption. we don't know. >> we dknow. c cow me said -- the. >> vulnerability. >> james comey laid out the case r gross negligence. >> we don't know factlly. you don't have the smoking gun. >> y're telling me we don't have a smoking gun and we know, we know that confidential top secret e-mails were part of the information that was put in a private secret server. we know that to be the case. you're equating that knowledge to the possibility of maybe something isn't right in a tax return that we don't know about? come on. >> okay. reince priebus, i'll leave it there. good luck. >> it's been a good two weeks for donald trump and it's been a bad two weeks for hillary

clinton. >> we'll let the panel assess at very question right now. >> you bet. he panel ishere. gh hewitt, andrea mitchell. robert costa and joy reid. all right. costa, i'm going to put it to you. that question, a good two weeks for trump and bad for clinton. >> coming in trying to get populism back on track for trump and getting trump more disciplined in the message but this is a candidate uncomfortable stay something on script. we'll have to see how long it lasts. >> has he done damage on immigration or not, hugh? >> new york city think he helped himself a lot to bring more humanity. it was a terrible two weeks. i thinkhat we will hear, eight letters fara, fcpa. in trouble on the two complex laws. >> andrea, where are you on this? >> i think donald trump has helped himlfon immigration by

muddying the wters and making it a little bit less contversial, if you will, o deportation but he h to venn actually be more specific on the debate, let's say. on the law, go back to what cow comey said, he said over and over again -- and in the letter he sent to the committee afterwards he finds no basis for prosecution. and that has to be the bottom line. >> in the last part that chairman priebus and i were goingack and forth on, this issue, you've g the issues that people have with the clinton foundation and what we don't know about trump's businesses, is this equal or not? >> not ev close to being equal. one ofhe things that is interestings we discovered one of the few things we have been able to find out is how much money he owes to foreignbanks. those questions are not goin away. i think the american people as you rightly said to reinreince

have a right to know. one of e concerns a lot of democratde democratic strategists have had, donald trump has done more to energize after condition americans against him in the last twoeeks of out reach than hillary clinton has done in a year. >> by the way, the steve bannon. >> what did you make of that? >> tells me there is concern -- >> i will say this, for every steve bannon there is every ann coulter there is more. there i a reflection. >> theoger stone. >> i'll say there isn't somebody with connections to white nationalism in that group you mentioned except sve bannon and that's a significant problem for the trump campaign. >> the trump campaign is in new jersey. i've been covering bannon for five or six years. he's done zero press appearances. he has conway. these reports are getting republinsnervous. you hear it.

>> i was very -- we're finding out. >> that was a tell to me, sounds like if the chrman had his preferce. >> kelly ann conway is a great face for the campaign. steve bannon is not. >> we'll be back in a moment to talk about the other person that had a rough week. hillary clinton. 15,000 new e-mails operated on a pay for play pay sbasis and we d about the ugliness of the campaign season but had a really uglyoment earlier this week. take a liste >> i wld like to talk to you about your commts about my being aracist you [ bleep ]. >> that voice mail mesge left by maine governor paul lepage is just the latest example of a race to the boom. maybe by too many politicians and it's something that has a and it's something that has a lot of voters which you are you? and it's something that has a lot of voters be the you who doesn't cover your moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. be the you who shows up in that dress. who hugs a friend. who is done with treatments that don't give you clearer skin.

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welcome back. turning to a wk we saw hillary clinton answering questions about e-mails and pay for play or at least a pay for access. eight years ago after barack obama was first elected, members of hiseam expressed concerns about the foundion as clinton was tapped as secretary of state. joining me now to talk about that, david pluff, the architect of 2008 campaigns. welcome back to the show. >> good morning, chuck. >> i know you were not inlved

in the transition negotiations at the timeut there was definitely concern about t appearance of a clinton as secretary of state and another clinton raising money from foign entities at a private foundation. do you believe that the clintons upheld their end of the bargain when itame to the memo of the understanding th was signed by the white houset the time? >> i do. i think you have to stack back-check. the clinton foundation, it's universal agreement has done remarkable work around the world. i think donald trump contrited $100,000 to the foundation. the work it's done around aids and malaria, i think they will answer that by saying bill clinton will step down but again, if you look at this from a campaign perspective, you've got the foundation and you've got donald trump's merirky worl. amazing to me, of all the things donald trump has done and a hall of fame of unforced errors that hurt candidacy, the thing he's most concerned about is what is in the tax returns and business

dealings his foreign policy is basically centered around attacks on china. he probably has hundreds of millions of dollars of exposure there. fondness for vladimir putin. thre is legitimate questions october the clinton foundation d presses clearly spending a lot of time on that but if you look at both candidates in terms of who can you trust and financial dealings, there is not much of a comparison. >> let me go back to the clinton foundation. why what was okay at state not okay as president? and makes you wonder like why didn't -- why wasn't there thought of former president bill clinton stepping down from the foundation eight years ago? >> listen, i think there is a lot of transparency and a great deal obviously, releasing of donors and information being released to why there is so much attention on this. but i think it's appropriate. by the way, i'm glad they are not falling into the drop of shutting down the clinton foundation. >> why is that? >> the clinton foundation does remarkable work all around the world and i think as long as there is the rit transparency,

rightccountability and those procedures are clear to the public, i think it's a huge at butte and contribution to the world. >> isn't it a concern, though, if you're at the clinton foundation and you're a mayor donor, isn't it a concern now if you're a donor considering how much of a political hot potato it could be, doesn't it undermine the clinton foundation efforts because of the political nature of things involving it? >> i don't think so. if you're someone that cares about the work the clinton foundation is doing around the world. you're going to be very, very passionate about continuing the work going forward and people will intensify because i think at the end of the day, these are political attacks. i get we're in a political season. it's undeniable. it's a universal fact, the clinton foundation is a great addition to the global scene. >> i guess the issue has to do with the purchasing of access. which islegal. supreme court said it is essentially legal to buy aess of a politician within reason. not to get something in return,

beyond access, but is that really the problem? the fact that that is legal th essentially a lot of people do expect access in return for a contribution? >> well, my strong belief is i don't think people gave to the clinton foundation expecting access. melinda gates, mohammed. you got people, very wealthy people who care about the work of the clinton foundation. >> what about the governme of qatar? are they loking for? >> sectary of state wills meet with leadersround the world. you dohat anyway over te course of business. >> i want tosk about the race in general. the last time you were on, you expressed concern that hillary inton couldn't do well in places like virginia and colorado. well, it's the first two states that essentially the mpaign pulled out of because ey think they have put the campaign away. how did you miss that? why did you miss read those two

states in particular? >> those are two tough states. th were uniquely suited to barack obama so when we had that conversation, i think the assessment is donald trumpould do some tngs to appeal to the middle of the electret. he's not. basically have a psychth running for president. he meets the clinal definition -- >> wait a minute. do you really think -- diagnosi people on air and i assume you don't have a degree in psychology, is that fair? i mean -- >> well -- >> we're jumping to conclusions here. i think this is what gets voters frustrated with this kind of thing. >> listen. he -- the notion of self-worth, pathological lying. so here is -- i think he does, right? i don't have a degree in psychology but here is -- chuck, basically the race sits today. i think hillary clinton is guaranteed at least 269 electoral votes because virginia and colorado both campaigns are

away. >> >> at the end of the day 20% chance it's close three points and likely going to be a landslide. and donald trump has less than zero % and sitting at 269. and in florida, states of ohio, nevada have the advantage. suburban and impre younger ters. >> prepping for donald trump today and who would you have portray trump? would you have a mark cuban, something like that? >> well, it's a great question. i think, it is going to be difficult because you have to prepare for many different trumps, like well behaved modest

tru trump. a trump that doesn't prepare for anything. i think the job of preparing for trump is difficult. you have to he somebody that can play many dferent roles. it's paface nating. >> you w in the white house dealing with politics of obama care for years. these are headlines in the last couple weeks, washington post won is the one i want to emphasize, health care exchange signups fall short of forecast, literally, one half of what was projected at this point in time on signups, let me ask you this, how concerned are you that ocho b obamacare could implode? it's not been a good year for it? >> not at all. you got to step back. you had millions and millions of americans with health care coverage. health care costs obviously have been on a descent trajectory. so in terms of overall health care cots for the country. what will happen after this election, though, is obviously you'll have the space to say

okay, what is working well and almo all of it is. what needs to b trengthened. you'll see a lot of republic governors acre accept medicid funding. there is no doubt over time you'll step back and say what needs to be adjusted? >> given the insurance companies bailing on aublic option now a mistake? >> i think the president spoke recently about that, that he -- i don't think you could get a public option passed. that wasn't going to get pasted. we barely passed it. at the end of the day the president spoke and that's part of the solution going forward. >> always a pleasure. you got it a lot to chew on there. we'll be backith the panel in a momt andlater, the reports of increasing

back with the panel. before we get into the cinton

foundation stf. while i was interviewing reince priebus. mike pence was on cnn and said let's be clear, nothing has changed. his position on illegal information, illegal immigration, principals and policies are absolutely consistent and actually thanks reminded me of something a spokesperson for the trump campaign christina pearson said. let me play it and let's talk about it. >> he hasn't changed his position on immigration. he changed words he is saying. what he has always said from the beinning -- [ laughter ] >> no, that he does not want to allow people to stay in this country illegally. >> look, priebused a bitted he changed his position and what he said inhe primaries is different, hugh. are they playing too many ret e rhetorical games here? >> that's the north star he cannot depart and will not. he's always been ambiguous on tch back.

who knows wt that meant. >> we have robert costa here reporting to the washgton post that donald trp tends reflect the words of the last person that spoke to him and you can see the disconnect that he literally says it's a softening and got uncomfortable with the word softening and said it's a hard and incredibly durable and strong wall and i think donald trump has not thought deeply about policy but reflecting whoever is nearest to him or the crowd cheering. >> it's the crowd that's cheering. it's the push back and it -- you saw theost blatant example he did a poll and said to the crowd at the hannity town hall what do youwant? o you wnt to depor them all or not? is it? it's like the roman circus. thumbs up, thumbs down. he's reacting and there is a fight for the mind and heart of donald trump. >> kelly ann -- >> you got to think about trump as someone surrounded by an

orbit. you got roger ailes there and laura ingraham and steve bann there and kelly ann conway and the family worried about the brand for trump. you have all these voices and trump doesn't have a populace core. that's not who he is. this crucial trunk tour is being flooded with advice. >> th businessman in him probably is why he keeps gravitating toward middle ground because ultimately, middle ground is where he's comfortable. >> ihould point out kelly ann said roger ailes was not at that meeting. there was is a disconnectthere. she said she's not been at a meeting roger ails is a friend and advisor. >> ails may have been not in that same -- >> the question i think that voters could rightly ask then, if this is a person so easily weighed by the loudest voice in the moment, what does that mean for his decision making? you look at the people around him. people like steve bannon who is

a toxic personality around him and think about that inner circle. >> we may be one drop away from bannon not being part of this campaign. >> secretary clinton carries more baggage. >> i want to transition -- >> sidney blumenthal. if you wa to talk about toxic people, let's hone in on sydney. >> when you talk about the people behindhim. donald trp's economic advisors are donors and policy that would be beneficial ending state his state tax. >> i clinton foundation, what i don't understand is the obama white house knew this was a problem. >> signed by everybody. >> and means you know was

interesting, he wasn't fully comfortable. i noticed this week they rally around her all the time except are t foundaoncomes up. i didn't see dan pfeiffer. david axelrod tweets backing her up. >> here is the push back and something that we really have to get on because they say they are winding it down but what i'm told is is really hard to wind this down. for one thing, she was asked on friday and foundation operations the grnd. the clinton foundation does do. and the foundations acre cemented the whole health care component. chelsea clinton is going to be on the board. i've been saying this. that's not news. the fact is that she's still going to be on the board to wind this down. >> doing good work. >> let me finish. bill clinton said that on to all of us the press on wednesday

that they are not going -- the n't want anyone t be fired. it's going to be a slow wind down. not by the times if she's eleed. >> i'm not saying -- >> the quid proquo. >> one moment. >> the quid is very wealthy people, give 11.5 million people aids drugs and huma abedin may call you back. we have to ask whether we've invented a standard. the george bush foundation, which benefits him and his library and accepts foreign donations existed through the eight years of his son's presidency. i don't recal us asking whether people who might want to influence president george w. bush because if they give to a foundation that benefitted not financially. >> the state department said

they find nothing where ther is proof of tion and i've g to tell you when we went through the a.p. stor they found e-mails -- >> can i tell y, when wre ebating -- very quickl. when we're debating proof of this and that. here is what the voter hears. rich people get access and by the way -- >> that's -- >> that's legal and that's american politics. >> this is the key question. i went on the trails with mike pence yesterday talking to swing voters for trump. you get the sense the clintons came out with a bright speech on the trump campaign and the republicans hav a this chatter aut the clinton foundation. who is hearing wt ght now in this mpaign? 7 five days left, the clinton campaign and foundation. >> great closing point. we'll pause it there. there it is. when we com back, republins ar making registration gains in some wahhhh... right. in. your. stomach! watch this!... >>yikes, that ice cream was

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we are back. it's data download time. you may have heard donald trump is energizing republican voters and building a registration advantage going into the fall but the numbers show much more of a mixed picture. let me go through it. we decided to take a close look at five battle ground states with significant hispanic populations, north carolina, florida, colorado, arizona and nevada. since the beginning of this year, republicans seen bigger

registration increases in two states, florida and north carina. while democrats have seen greater ver registrati increases in three. advantages in colora, nevada and arizona. an we know the unusual gop nominating fight and enthusiasm for trump did increase republican registration in all of these states. so, how do you explain the increase democratic registration? well, let's look at hispanics. in these five states, there are 18 counties with hispanic populations over 100,000. in 14 of the 18. registration grew at aigher rate than the state as a whole and in 15 of these 18 counties, the registration advantage went to the deocrats. now this is all significant because and these growing counties newly registered voters are more likely to be brand-new ters to the process. not just to the democratic party. meaning more new voters in november for clinton. anas david wasserman, gains in north carolina andflorida are

often formally registered democrats who already have been voting republican in the general election for years. many of them, though, switched party registration to vote in the primaries for the first time. that doesn't translate into new republican votes in november. just a new republican primary electr el

we are back. this has been, shall we say, an ugly week in american politics. let me roll a compilation here. >> hillary clinton is a bigot. >> who should be talking about hillary clinton's health. >> go online and put down hillary clinton illness, take a look at the videos for yourself. >> john mccain has fallen down on the b he's gotten weak, old, i do know what happens to the body and mind at the end of life. >> through it all, he has continued pushing discreded conspiracy theories with racist under tones. >> mr. trump we know paid zero taxes in at least four years. >> if you look at a guy's tax return, and you find he's using to not paying taxes, there is a guy that's trying to dodge veterans. >> so the lowest moment that did

take place in theresidential level took place in maine. look at the voice ma the governor of main lef >> i would like to talk to you about your comments about me being a racist you [ bleep ]. and i want to talk to you, you want -- i want you to prove that i'm a racist.t. i've spent my life helping black people and you little son of a [ bleep ] socialist [ bleep ]. >> yeah. >> wow. >> and i didn't even bring up -- we had a republican senator call the president a drug dealer. we've had other -- andrea, we always say new low and cry wol four years ago now nasty the campaign is is. we surpassed anything. >> we go back to showing peter heart's focus group. >> i have more of it. >> when asked what is the odor of the scent, skunk, eggs. >> i may not hear it from you. let's hear it from them. let me show you. >> good. >> from chemistry class, sulfur,

rotten eggs. >> garbage. >> i can't say it on the air so i'll say dead fish. >> stinks. >> garbage. >> rotten eggs. >> skunk. >> skunk. >> skunk. >> garbage. >> garbage. >> let me set the scene, four are trump voters, four clinton, four undecided. they are unified on one thing. the odor on the campaign. >> it is loathing of hillary clinton. among some of her supporters that said she's a liar. they don't like her to fear, al fear of donald trump because of things he's said and because how the clinton team has portrayed him as being reckless and not up to being commander in chief. >> i think voters, we have -- what are we doing? it's getting uglier and louder that you've elected officials feel like they have to say -- >> chuck, the -- >> to get through? >> the great irony, hillary clinton did this speech. the irony is this is the kind of discourse that the alt-right

dreams of. the driving idea and sortof embodies this is to explode the idea ofunacceptable, acceptable and talk aut people in the lgbt community because their idea what is destroying conservatism, republican in the country. this is the campaign of the dreams. >> when i talk to my sources in the republican party, close to the trump campaign, the outlook is bleak. if the clinton campaign can make the argument th is about temperament and tone,he swing voters in the suburbs of north carina and ohio are likely to tilt toward clinton. >> but bigger than trump and clinton. i don' want to get lost. this is bigger than trump and clinton in that we have conditioned the american political whatever you want to call it now, american mpolitics

institution to this crud. >> it is a resentment election. some are run on celebration and hope like president obama in 2008. these two candidates have been around for so long in the public eye, they have many enemies and president was new, mitt romney was new, john mccain was a war hero. we had two cycles where people are afraid to take the gloves off. both have been punching bags for everyone. >> i want to bring up the fact it's clear that senators can say drug dealer with the -- >> and it starts, i would say this is wat a great senator called defining it down. it i so course and so vulgar but i guess you would say who started it? maybe it started -- >> it's not about whotarted it. i don't want to get into that. it is. there is rough and there is -- >> it is rough. >> there is rough. >> there is name calling. >> it's natural -- >> defined a new low. you have to go back and look at sarah palin realities in 2008. a lot of african americans look at the campaign and said

this is the beginning of opening a door on race we're now opening other areas. there is a pivot point that did begin with the essential of barack obama. >> especially after twoyears, regan, '88 was a rough campai and administrations and '60, '68 had a lot of fire to it. this is different because it's 24/7 media environment and ea minute and everyone -- >> i think it's -- >> a lot of the provocatives are entrepreneurs. >> that is the reason why it's become acceptle. > e fact checking doesn't seem to matter. >> we'll be back in 45 seconds with end game. the opponents of political correct n correctness, speaking of, got an interesting alley in the unlikeliest of places. >> coming up, "meet the press" end game brought to you by end game brought to you by boeing

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most people using stelar® saw 75% clearer skin and the majority were rated as cleared or minimal at 12 weeks. be the you who talks to ur dermatologist about stelara®. meet the press end game is brought to you by boeing. >> we are back, back now with end game. interesting little note. at the university of chicago to incoming students. let's put it on the board. this is note. our commitment to academic freedom means we do not support so-called trigger warnings, we do not cancel invited speakers because their topics mt prove

controversial and individuals can retreat from ideas and perspectives atdds with their own. i have to say thi came across after what has been an odd few years of maybe over campus reactions, as this was i thought what college was about. >> a lot of research universit universities and schools that don't have the same problems, are putting this out. there are guidelines on -- most universities now we're not cancelling speeches no matter how controversial or offensive and that gets back to the definitions that go all the way -- >> but going to college -- >> debate. >> to ha debate and access to controversial -- >> this was done becasef a committee put together by jeffrey one. a big libera i used this teaching law for years. professor stone is an adamant defender of open expression everywhere and it's long over due and i'm not surprised the university of chicago started it. >> joy, somebody might say you just talked about the meanness of the campaign before and now you guys are praing it.

there is a difference. this is being done with intellectual leto it. >> there areeachers rvou about the lek tuctures because e might be reaction from a student. i think we've gone too far in the direction of not allowing intellectual debate. as long as colleges are careful not to allow harassment, which in the enter anytime age can happen. >> i love there is a real protest, moveme. people are politically engaged the is too much sensitivity deferring view. everyone should be respected but at the same time, when i was at notre dame, i loved when i heard someone from the far left versus right. let's see the debates. >> i got to go to school and one day i saw jesse jackson and the next day newt gingrich. it was great. and i went to both events. >> let's face it, hillary clinton started as a gold water republican girl and it was all of the years and the ople she came in contact with that

change her and we all chge. >> forugene mccarthy. >> does ideology b part of the conversation in newsrooms and all sorts of places. >> one other thing about your comment about the '88 campaign and what they did with the helmet and the rest, it was a rough campaign but pre talk radio and cable tv and really pre internet and the velocityof what is going back and forth and meanness and crudeness of the campaign and the fact you can get four pa knock owes but doesn't matter. >> what a week. good to be back. love the olympics but i was done with the marathons. two marathons are enough. we got our own, 70 plus days of it. if it's sunday, ever single

suday for the rest of this year, it is "meet the press." we're going to build a great wall on the border, and we're going to institute nationwide e-verify, stop illegal immigrants from accessing welfare, and entitlements, and develop an exit/entry system to ensure those who overstay their visas, that they're quickly removed. we don't enforce our visa expiration dates. then we have open borders, and we have nothing but crime. >> after a week of speculation that he might be softening or even hardening on his immigration stance, donald trump is now promising a major speech to set his policy straight. also false alarm at the los angeles international