today no public events for hillary clinton as she continues to raise money. nald trump holds a rally in washington state. his running mate mike pence holds two events, a town hall in georgia and a rally we learned from people with doctorates in common sense. >> don't let anyone ever tell you this country isn't great. this right now is the greatest country on earth. good morning. it's tuesday august 30th along

with joe, willie and me. we have legendary journalist mike barnicle and pulitzer prize winning columnist of "washington post" and msnbc analyst eugene robinson on set with us. >> herman cain back in the fold. see that? a little 999 at the pence rally. >> i missed it. i missed 999. >> trump should use 999. it's a clear message, i know what it means. >> i miss it. it was innocent. >> before you thought it would lead to nuclear warfare with godfather's pizza, something somebody wrote on the back of the godfather's pizza box. >> new poles show white house tightening nationally. hillary clinton ahead by six points and survey monkey weekly

online tracking poll, 48% to 42%. she led by eight points last week. a four-way race shows a four-point lead. clinton 41-37% down from -- >> so what's happening there? >> what is going on? >> is gary johnson taking from clinton more than trump or what? i guess equally maybe. >> both. both. >> that's scary. >> it's marginal movement there, that's margin of error stuff. >> tracking polls tend to go if you actually look at the weekly, daily variation, now, that's how they go. >> monmouth university poll clinton falls five points to 39% though she remains seven points ahead of trump. clinton has a seven-point advantage over trump in four-way race, 36-39%. clinton's favorable rating is back down to 34% while trump is steady at just 26%. and the monmouth poll puts these

low numbers into context for the last two decades. >> all right. just looking at those numbers, willie, it's obvious that e-mail and foundation news that came out had an impact. >> it does. it's very concerning. >> now back down into the 30s. that has real impact. >> we've become accustomed to that number there. stop and think what we're seeing there. the last two, the best of each party oextensively. democratic 34% favorable, republican at 26%. >> which means three out of four measures cannot say they have a favorable impression of the republican nominee. >> that's right. in that same monmouth university poll, a majority, more than a majority, 56% of americans say they are bothered by the clinton foundation. they are bothered by the appearance of wrongdoing, pay for play or other things that have settled into the conversation. that clearly had an

>> what more do you need to say? >> these candidates are historically unpopular and not by a small margin. >> the underlying damage of that number, 35%, makes you really start to question the turnout in novemb november. are people going to stay home. is it going to be the lowest of any presidential election cycles? you sense people are depressed or angry. >> fed up. >> most people are voting for unfavorable. so -- >> just like us. >> to me one of the things it says, that on the ground turnout machine is going to be important. you know, if you've identified your voters and called them every day and given them a bus, whatever, as the clinton campaign is doing, they are on the ground.

that's probably going to be important. >> both candidates obviously have their core base of support. how many times do we hear it, how many times in polls, either candidate when you talk pout why you vote for them they talk about the other candidate. it's not affirmative vote for donald trump, it's we can't let hillary clinton be president. not an affirmative vote for hillary clinton but, my god, we can't let donald trump be president. >> i wasn't hear but a catchphrase, amnesty on. >> i didn't think they were serious. i guess it stuck. >> kind of stuck. >> he did soften. >> the softening was pretty dramatic. you know what i mean? pretty dramatic.

there's going to be a song that comes on. i don't know who sings it, britney spears. >> when do we get to hear it? >> some kids in a garage out in albuquerque had worked on it last night and sent it to us. >> when do we get to hear? how about now? >> we don't have it now. >> when do we get it. >> when he finishes editing in albuquerque. >> i think ron ark is recording her track. >> this is serious. >> it could be a lot like -- i want to hear it. >> a country in western -- >> johnny cash. >> laredo. >> seriously when are we going to hear it? >> for the fourth or fifth time, when he finishes in the back. >> am i neurotic. let me just ask, is it in the

span of the show today. >> i don't know. i get to talk to him. nothing coming out. >> you remind me of someone else i interviewed recently. trump campaign -- can't give me an answer. no answers. >> give you an answer when cutro is done editing. >> during the show? any confusion about the nominee's immigration plan will be cleared up during his speech at the phoenix convention center. >> that's a relief. >> i can't wait. yesterday his running mate, mike pence, told the local news station in georgia that trump will lay out in, quote, great specificity exactly what his plan entails. we are going to know tomorrow exactly what his plan is. >> it will be good to finally know. >> senior aides tell nbc news. >> instead of waiting until christmas. >> plans to contrast his immigration plan with that of hillary clinton's. yesterday campaign manager

kellyanne conway who really good at her job but has a job impossible for any human being on earth, she got a jump-start on trying to senator -- president obama. she thinks he has actually not done enough. i can see there are many ten either to his plan. i think they are incredibly important to remember. build a wall, which has been the signature of his campaign since practically day one, that's there. no amnesty, no legalization, no sanctuary -- >> no amnesty. >> no amnesty. >> why can't anybody in the campaign answer the question whether he's still in favor of deportation or not. >> i've answered it many times. he hasn't talked about that in a very long time.

>> is he in favor? >> he hasn't talk about that in a long time. >> you understand you're not answering the question. >> you have to wait until wednesday. >> mike, i think that was your evil twin brother skippy, there. >> yes, it was. >> what did he pick up from the interview? >> picked up from the interview that managing donald trump to speak in a straight line on immigration and get this cleared up has been a difficult job for the trump campaign. apparently he is going to take that plunge tomorrow and outline an immigration plan that will -- you just heard, not involve, not going to be amnesty. >> the way they define amnesty, it could be they define amnesty as not giving away free miami dolphin tickets. i'm serious. no, we didn't give away free miami dolphin tickets.

this is not amnesty. >> again, kellyanne conway, she's very good. she's very good. >> are they going to deport 11 million? >> no. i think if i had to guess. >> deportation force. >> if i had to guess -- >> are they doing to pay back taxes and people that abide by the law. are they going to be able to stay here legally. >> if i had to guess and she wouldn't be specific about it because she said i'm not going to give up anything about the plan, either going to be basically a tag up plan. 11 million people are going to be required, asked to, invited to return home to first base, tag up when the flyball is caught and then they can proceed back to the states. >> people against illegal immigration that's amnesty. >> whether they would have to go to a home country or perhaps go to a consulate, say, for example, which technically would be -- >> a great day in america tomorrow because he's going to finally explain.

>> or maybe they go to joe robby stadium. is it called that? >> no. it's been a while. >> the e-verify system, work site enforcement, visa tracking, more immigration judges, mandatory detentions for imprisoned, deal with sanctuary cities. as for his wall, as per rudy giuliani, a physical wall. >> he's going to build a wall. >> 35 feet high with technology. >> and with technology that can detect people five, six miles away. with technology that can detect people that dig under the wall. >> i can't even -- no. >> the big question is going to be whether there is the

touchback amnesty, pay back taxes. that's the thing. short of saying you're going to deport all of them is a stepdown, stepback on what ep he's going to do from

>> new york is safer than it's ever been. most big cities are safer than they have ever been. >> washington, d.c.. >> i lived in washington in the '90s. >> you know what that was like. >> oh, my god. it was so much different. by the way, i lived three blocks from the capital and people were getting head up all the time. cars were getting busted into all the time. it was miserable, dangerous place to live. comparing saying this is the most violent horrible time ever isn't close -- >> not close to being true. completely false. as you said, chicago is an outlier.

something going on in chicago -- >> why can't we fix it. >> you know, i don't think that's been fully examined. it certainly hasn't been fully addressed. but if you set chicago aside, not to minimize it, but if you set it aside, it's completely false what trump is saying. people know that. people realize it. >> meanwhile a top surrogate for donald trump is apologizing for tweeting out a controversial cartoon depiction of hillary clinton. pastor mark burns, a frequent speaker at trump rallies, who just yesterday -- >> you met him last week. right, mika? >> i met him last week, viciously attacking him. >> nicole talked to him afterwards and he said he had a really good time on the show. >> i know. but i still accused of viciously attacking him. >> that's just because the trump campaign is being bigoted towards you. >> yes, they are. >> because you're white. >> really?

i thought it was because i was neurotic. sad. >> they are bigots. no, this is the sort of thing -- this is what the bush family says. >> this isn't the primary. we're talking about a tweet from a guy -- >> that guy is nuts, okay? mark burns. >> now you're being a bigot. you don't like him because he's black. what's wrong? >> you got me there. you got me there, joe. you got me there. >> it's like a klan rally here. why don't you like him? >> because he's out of his mind. >> what are you talking about? >> don't you feel sorry for him. >> what do you mean he's out of his mind? just because he supports trump. >> it's not just that he supports trump. basically everything he said. am i wrong here? >> i just asked him a basic yes, no question and you all wen

after him aggressively and i was accused -- the whole thing is kind of pathetic. it's not worth any more oxygen. here is his tweet, he accused her of using african-americans for political gain. unbelievable. sent out this cartoon of clinton in blackface. blah, blah, blah. then he doubled down with kristen welker on mtp daily defending this tweet. >> really the tweet is a frustration that i have as a black man in america and how i see african-americans in many cases -- not every case but many cases suffering throughout this country and see how en masse we have been voting for the democratic party en masse and yet we have very little to show for it. i think it's a vexation to me to

see how the democratic party, especially how hillary clinton, what i call tap dance for the black vote, get it, and then disappear for four more years. >> all right. >> all right. so he delivered it and then apologized. here we go. >> i want to apologize for the offensive picture that many thought was offensive. but i'm not apologizing for the message that it was carrying in reference to i still believe hillary clinton and the democratic party do pander after black people. i do believe we have been worse off eight years under democrat rule. >> so you know, gene, through this entire process, whether it's this pastor -- a good man i'm sure -- or donald trump in

the way he speaks to black audiences. >> yeah. >> it's been ham fisted. i think they have an argument to make. you can go into inner cities, go in and say, okay, there's been democratic rule here for 50 years. what has it brought you? why don't we try a better way? you deserve a better way, and here is my plan. and then they present a plan. >> right. >> that's actually a very -- i think that's a fair argument to make, and we can have a great argument. but it's always on this shallow level from donald trump and his surrogates. it comes across very ham fisted and offensive to black people and hispanics. >> it would have to deepen considerably to be considered shallow. it's glancing.

it's not -- it goes nowhere. what's missing is any sense of participation and any invitation to participation on the grassroots, the way african-americans have participated for decades on the grassroots in the democratic party. so when you talk about african-americans in the pastor's lexicon living under democratic rule. in fact, the democratic party is -- a big chunk of the democratic party is african-americans who are elected officials at every level, including president of the united states, but down through the levels of the party, who are party activists at every level, who are contributing to the making of policy. that is not replicated in the republican party. >> by the way, black voters vote rationally for their self-interest like white voters

vote rationally for their self-interest. willie if you don't give black voter, white voter, hispanic voter a rational reason to vote for your party they aren't going to do it. >> strategically it's odd. i know he's trying to project don't worry independent white voters, black voters, wishy wash y, don't worry, i'm not racist. as a strategy before election day, a group of voters you're getting 0%, 8%, whatever the number is on the poll, that's not where you should be focusing, if you wan to win, it looks like a late after the fact scramble, after a year and a half of trying to offend this group, two months out i'm going to try to capture them and show the rest of the country i'm softening. >> mika, ham fisted. a lot of softening going around with trump here. but i don't know if you focus group this or market tested it but i have found in the past

when speaking to political audiences saying your life sucks and you're being slaughtered,

i do. i don't even know what we've talked about honestly. nothing. >> i think they do. >> he says nothing that he means. >> it's so good -- >> you got a good song out of it. >> -- to hear from you on this point. >> pretending to make up from stupidity. >> still on "morning joe," this guy so good, actually one of my favorite lines in a comedy from willie wonka saying horrific kids, no, don't, stop. the remarkable life of gene

wilder. >> we can ask tom. >> you're off the set when tom cole comes on because you're going to ask the same questions over and over again and we're not going to let you do it. >> make news out of this? this is paris hilton territory. >> we're going to talk about policy. you're not allowed to talk to tom cole. >> you can talk to ana marie cox. >> i love any. >> talk to lewis black. all that stuff. he's here with his new broadway show on the 2016 race. we'll be right back. a little sadder.

>> i don't know. i feel so strange. >> maybe you're happy. >> that's it. i'm happy. what do you know about that? i'm happy! >> gene wilder seen in his academy award nominated performance passed away today.

he made his big debut in bonnie and clyde but best known for bringing the films of mel brooks to life. in this case young frankenstein. >> frankenstein. >> frankenstein. >> you're putting me on? >> no. it's pronounced frankenstein. >> do you also say froderick. >> you must be igor. >> igor. >> they told me igor. >> they were wrong. >> show me something. >> maybe a couple of years ago i could show you something but today, look at that. >> steady as a rock. >> yeah. but i shoot with this hand. >> oh, my god.

we talk about blazing saddles. it was willy wonka that had adoration everywhere. >> mr. wonka. >> so shines a good deed in a weary world. charlie, my boy, you won. you did it! you did it! i knew you would. i just knew you would. >> wilder was married to actress and comedian gilda radner. her ovarian death set him on a mission to detect cancer. he raised millions enresearch money and opened a center in new york bearing her name. >> she said there's no place for

me to go where i can get the kind of help that i want. she didn't mean medical help. she said, i just hope one day people will realize how blessed they are to have a place where

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if he clears today's hurdle, he turns the general election now just two months ago against democratic congresswoman ann kirkpatrick. as "the washington post" points out her strategy has been to tie mccain to donald trump in an effort to drive up turnout among hispanics. yesterday after receiving the endorsement of the arizona firefighters union the senator was asked if an endorsement from trump would hurt him or help him? >> i don't think it has much effect either way. because as i say, i've been representing the people of arizona for mabe, many years and they judge me on me and my report rather than any other factor. >> the latest on mccain kirkpatrick matchup puts the senator at the crucial 50% mark ahead of the democratic congresswoman by 20 points. >> you know, mike, john mccain is a guy who could have very easily been caught in the crossfire, first the republican primary and then general election. in fact, you would think that

the trump effect would impact him more than these other senators. certainly this past week what we've been seeing with polls, pat toomey doing better than expected. state by state, rob portman doing better than anybody expected, burr in north carolina doing better and chuck grassley in iowa. john mccain is not only surviving, he is thriving. he is rolling over primary opponents. >> the anti-washington sentiment clearly vibrant across the country that he is the outlier. his experience, his familiarity in arizona is of great benefit to him. >> look at this, battleground polls to show you that donald trump actually is not having a drag on a lot of these republican candidates because they are separating themselves from him on the trail. clinton up two in north carolina

but richard burr up two in north carolina in the senate race. clinton up four in ohio but a 12-point swing with rob portman comfortably ahead by eight points. in ohio, trump only up one in missouri. a state he should be up by five. roy blunt, the senator there, up by five. >> so can i reask the question i asked about 20 minutes ago. >> sure. >> if these candidates are doing okay separating themselves from trump, why is what do you have to lose to the candidates who are endorsing trump and the leaders who are endorsing trump in terms of the party? if they are surviving separating themselves from the republican nominee for president. >> what they are doing is working for them. they are not going out saying we're for hillary clinton. they are not going out attacking donald trump. >> but they are not endorsing him. >> they are doing what pat toomey said, donald trump is doing his own thing, we're going to do our own thing and they are going to be judged by it and they are. >> they aren't saying his name

on the trail. they support him nominally but not invoking his name. if asked, they support the party. >> you think that's by chance. >> nobody thinks by chance. >> my point -- >> you've been making your point for months. >> you all laughed when i said they have a lot to use. republican leaders, why do you continue to endorse this candidate, have you a lot to lose. don't you? >> these guys are doing pretty well. >> the candidacy is interesting, kasich is all in on the ohio race and it's made -- i don't know how many points it's made in portman but he's all in on this. >> let's bring in political reporter for "washington post" and msnbc political analyst robert costa. bob, what do you have this morning? >> good morning. i'm looking at a few things, mika. one, george stephens, mitt romney's chief strategist met with independent presidential

candidate. i think romney question is one of the variables we're looking at. what does romney do, where does romney go? does he gets behind johnson and wells, mcmullen, stay on the sidelines? >> so what happens with it? is he going to stay on the sidelines? what's happening with mcmullin, any chance for impact in utah and other states. >> he could. ifette some money to go on the airwaves, in a state like arizona, high mormon population, utah, he could stop donald trump from winning those states. another thing i'm looking at what bannon is up to. steve bannon remains a mystery, hasn't done an interview, quiet up in trump tower. i hear late saturday night in new york city he met with pat cadel, longtime democratic pollster, really moved away from the democratic party, talking to a populist democrat as he thinks about the trump strategy. >> what do you think about the

strategy used now by the senate candidates in we were talking about how a lot of senate candidates seem to be doing well whether they endorse trump or keep quiet on trump they seem to be thriving, whether they talk about pat toomey, blunt, richard burr holding on well. john mccain doing much better than people expected some time ago despite saying republican nominee. >> mika framed it as a moral question. how can they support trump. a lot of people behind me on capitol hill, they are not thinking of it in those terms. they are thinking they have to get voters out, registration for vors, registration going up and they want to latch onto some of the populism out there around trump especially on issues like trade. you see portman has done that very effectively in ohio. they are trying to navigate this, while not running against trump, getting some of his support, making sure they are not seen as trump acolytes. >> to mika's point, you own a piece of trump, you own all of

trump. that's what she's going to say about john mccain in the election. she's going to say to latino voters in the state of arizona john mccain supports donald trump. you heard what donald trump said over the last year of the he's an ally of donald trump. you latino voters and general population of arizona, do you really want to vote for that? how do they separate from him in a general after committing to him in the primary. >> until the point where they see maybe there's a landslide happening for democrats, you're going to see this strategy continue. you don't see them running against trump. you don't see the national party distancing themselves from trump. a lot of people are telling me in washington that as awkward as trump can be and often is when it comes to minority outreach and hard line rhetoric he uses, because he's doing that, they feel like at least he's not stumbling and damage in tear apart their down ballot chances. >> florida primary voters heading to the polls. former chairwoman debbie wasserman schultz fighting to

keep her congressional seat. sanders has lumd large in the case but never made it to canova. bernie not on the ballot. coming here would have been certain liabilities so might have been a blessing. meanwhile chapg unto be a fight between incumbent marco rubio and patrick murphy this november. recent polls showed murphy an establishment favorite with sizable lead over democratic congressman allen graceman. victory seems all but sure over marco rubio today against challenger businessman carlos barof. >> out of politics new york city place to go. we knew he was going to do this.

>> on some level he must have known he was going to do this. what else is he going to do? this is the perfect race for him. >> a man that understands florida politics better than anyone at the table. marco rubio's future stumbled in 2016, still a young guy. can he come back in '24 and run for president? >> best thing marco rubio can do now is get elected to senate and pretend he likes the job and focus on people of florida. he has not done that yet. he got elected like barack obama, as soon as he got elected he ran for president. his approval ratings aren't high there. if he has any political future he's got to prove to people he's a hard worker, that he's going to go to all the intel briefings. he missed a lot of them, and that he's going to do his job. that's actually, bob costa, it's old-fashioned but if you want to run for president in 2020 or 2024, you've got to prove you

can do the job you're in. all he said during the last campaign was he hated the sen e senate. >> we've seen candidates in presidential history they run, fumble, come back, think of reagan in '76, george w. bush, loss in '80, lost in '88, bill clinton thinks about running in '88. you see a lot of this throughout history. i think what's most telling about today, you look at mccain's race, look what's happened with rubio in florida, paul ryan in wisconsin, what frank wrote about in the "new york times," trumpism and candidates can they exist without the power of trump's personalit you're not really seeing that across the country. primary challengers across the country like trump succeeding across the board. >> what you're starting to see is a realization not only from candidates but voters that donald trump is going to beeing and starting his own network in a couple of months. >> not only that --

>> there is no trumpism after donald trump. it is collapsing on it's self now. >> easier time starting trump network, republican party going to have rebuilding the republican party. i'm going to say an easier job than republicans. >> polls suggest in these senate races there's going to be an historic amount of ticket splitting. that voters are going to come and not vote for donald trump, leave that blank, or vote for hillary clinton, but they are going to vote for republican senators. that's a tough thing to pull off. you know, actually make it happen. >> what happens to trumpism to call it that after the election? >> well, you know, i think there's this sort of mass of voters. there's a substantial part of the republican base, not necessarily the

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borestein, in the news, said he only took five minutes to write the letter claiming donald trump will be the healthiest person to ever be president. only took him five minutes. you walk in the exam room and there's a naked trump. okay. okay. put your clothes on. put your pants on. get out of here. >> oh, my goodness. i saw more from that yesterd yesterday. >> looks like willie nelson. >> like the teddy bear thing. >> do we have the teddy bear? ♪ happy birthday to you happy birthday to you praep happy birthday happy birthday happy birthday to you. >> you click on and you get the teddy bear. keeps going, too. >> that is the general election.

the presidential campaign. >> any kids. >> the nation is in astonishingly good health. >> there was a limo outside his office on the way to trump tower. >> he said i don't work well under pressure, which you never want to hear from a doctor. >> you can't make it up. it's so bad. it's so bad. welcome back to "morning joe." this is all bad. it's tuesday august 30th. we're laughing because we're nervous. honestly, the truth of it is this is bad. >> okay. >> right? am i wrong? >> funny because it's funny. >> funny because it's true. >> put the teddy bear back up? >> i don't think so. >> with us veteran columnist and msnbc contributor mike -- >> yeah. >> pulitzer prize winning columnist and editor of "washington post" eugene

washington. robert costa. msnbc political contributor and editor of "the fix" chris cillizza. >> all right. polls out mika, what do they show you? >> the race is tightening. hillary clinton is ahead by six points in the nbc survey monkey weekly online tracking poll, 48% to 42% of she led by eight points last week. a four-way race shows a four-point clinton lead, 41 to 37%, down from a seven-point advantage last week. in a new monmouth university poll, clinton falls five points from earlier this month to 4%, though remains seven points ahead of trump. has a seven-point advantage over trump in four-way race. clinton's favorable rating back down to 34% while trump's is steady at 26%. >> mika, 26% approval rating at

the end of august, a couple months away from the campaign. >> you're working on that campaign and what are you thinking? >> let's go to washington state and hold a rally. that's what they are thinking. anyh anyhow, can anyone explain that? monmouth poll puts poll numbers in decades. >> an increase from the 20-year high. >> '96 for those driving 7%, 5%, 6%, 5% in 2012, 35% in 2016. 35% of americans don't have a

favorable impression of either the republican or democratic nominee. >> the trump campaign says any confusion about the nominee's immigration plan will be cleared up at his speech at the phoenix convention center tomorrow. yesterday trump's running mate senior aides tell nbc news trump plans to contrast his immigration plan with hillary clinton's. kellyanne conway. >> amnesty, it's really a radical plan. she's been critical of president obama. she thinks that he has actually not done enough. i can say there are many ten either to his plan. i think they are incredibly

important to remember. build a wall, which has been the signature of his campaign since day that's there. >> no amnesty. >> no amnesty. >> why can't anyone answer the question. >> i've said that many times. he hasn't talked about that in a long time. he hasn't talked about that in a long time. >> you understand -- >> until wednesday. >> you understand you're not answering question. >> bob costa, we don't want to wait until wednesday. what ku tell us today? >> what i hear, joe, steve bannon, the campaign chief executive and most importantly steven miller, longtime speechwriter who worked for senator sessions, having a heavy influence over the speech. kellyanne conway, what we hear from trump, a lot of tough rhetoric that we've heard from him for a long time. when it comes to this question

of 11 million, those undocumented who are here, that's where he may try to thread the needle a bit and move the way he positions himself a bit. but he's going to have to offer clarity. this is a test for him more than anything that we've seen this summer because this is his key policy plank. there's been confusion for weeks. has he to clear it up. we're only 69, 68 days out. >> chris cillizza, it seems that trump, if he backs off deporting, and if he talks about legalization, he is going to be facing a firestorm from his right for the rest of his campaign. sounds like that's what he may be doing, backing off deporting. >> i think the whole calculation -- let me say, i'm not totally clear how much is calculated. this last couple weeks could look like a series of trial balloons or could just be people talking with donald trump. you don't know. i think the calculation is that people who are for him at this

point are going to be for him no matter what. right? even if he walks away, yes, he may lose some, a small percentage but largely they are going to be for him both because they believe deeply in sort of his outsider message and because they are not going to vote for hillary clinton and that the only possible chance he has is to move off this hardest of hard position, send them all back, in his words, in order to try to win over -- he's not going to win a lot of hispanic vote or black vote but he can't win as it is as he currently is. what he really needs to do is win white suburban women. he needs to win the white vote by historic measure, more than 20 points romney and reagan did. my guess is he will fudge it a little bit because he really has no choice. if the coalition he has built remains roughly what it is, he loses. >> the argument that he's just

appealing to people to support him does not win you a general election, gene. it wins you a primary with 17 other people in it but doesn't win you a general election. >> no, i don't think it does. there's a pretty stark choice here, seems to me. bob costa, how is he thinking about this? either you're going to propose rounding up and deporting 11 million people or not. it seems to me they matter a great deal to donald trump supporters, which side of that clear line it comes down on. is that not right? am i missing something? >> gene, you've got to think of this question as legality of people, all these different voices around trump having these opinions. you heard kellyanne conway, she's been working with republicans for decades, thinking about how to win in swing districts. she knows this deportation language. helpful, donner sees on hamptons, fundraisers. people like rudy giuliani and chris christie saying you can't do this kind of thing if you want to win a general election but still has with him on the plane steven miller jeff session

adviser and other hard-liners. >> the problem is -- mike, i'll throw this to you, isn't the problem no matter what he says, who can believe it. i'll try to find a different angle here. ask chris christie if you can trust his word. you can't. everything he says, why would we even talk about it? it's going to change. >> it probably will. >> that's everything we've learned. >> to this speech and a big setup speech. they are talking about it before hand, kellyanne conway talking about it yesterday. robert, in terms of the speech and this quest for specificity, how stunned would you be if you heard the phrase legalization, the word legalization in this speech? do you think that's going to happen? >> it's somewhat doubtful in my mind. i haven't heard that term thrown around by my sources. i again come back to this point, this is a jeff sessions world on policy inside the trump campaign politically.

a lot of people around trump have more when it comes to immigration. have to take into account steve bannon from what i hear behind the scenes wants to reach out to african-american, latino community and underscore border wall and he wants to go back to trade and immigration. if you have that kind of impetus behind trump right now, even if he's getting more moderate advice to do something different. at this point he has more conservative policy people around him on immigration. >> again, that's a lot of words. willie geist i'll ask you, i'll pare it down, he's changed on everything. if you forced chris christie to take a truth serum, would he say yes or no you can trust donald trump, when he says something he means it. what would the answer be, willie? >> no, of course not. you can't change what you said

and have everyone believe it. >> why would chris christie say -- >> he promised him vice president slot and yanked it away. >> trump has no beliefs. >> we're talking about this like it actually is something. >> the problem is 14 months into it how does he switch? >> he can't. >> did he believe for 14 months he pounded the drum on or for the last two months and how will that be implemented when you're president. chris. >> look, i totally agree with willie and mika. the one thing i can say is how can he switch, because he's switched on everything else. every politician has things they believe deeply and things they are there. why mccain says fundamentals of the economy are strong. he doesn't pay that much attention to that stuff. he cares about national security and foreign policy primarily. romney carried about economics, corporate, tax rate, all that stuff.

he was not that well acquainted foreign policy. the thing with trump is there's not a thing that he believes issue-wise, other than trade. the one thing he has been consistent on throughout his life, not just this campaign, is trade. beyond that his ideas are entirely fungible. yes, of course you would say he spent 14 months basing his campaign on being the hardest liner in immigration, but he's also been a guy who says one thing and says the other. i would not be stunned if he changed, because it would be sort of -- everything we know, that's exactly what he's going to do. >> no question he will do it and can do it. why not, it's what he does. from the other side if you're an undecided voter which position do you believe. the other thing we haven't talked about in immigration is the muslim question. we're talking about immigration in countries in north and south america. how does that plan work? we need specifics. immigration with countries that have a problem with terrorism. which are those countries and

how do you implement the plan. >> it's impossible to thread the needle. >> it looks like he's changing muslim ban plan. then he never gets specific. >> deportation issues. they say with democratic view in washington. that's what's concerning him getting away in their minds with positions making it confusing for voters when they make choices about wreh stands. >> for instance, he does this with people, too, like david duke. >> right. >> the night before the s.e.c. primary. >> david who? >> he said he didn't know who david duke was and didn't really understand who the klan was. in 2000, the reform party would

not be a party he could be for because david duke was in it and racist. obviously he knew who david duke was. he keeps going back and forth, back and forth. david duke back again. >> i think the question is not what his position is. but at this point, i'm sorry, i think we need to back up and ask him what he knows about anything. just back up and ask him questions that show whether or not he has knowledge. >> can't wait. >> i'm sorry. he's proven -- yes. >> sorry, mika. the point joe made about 26% view him favorably, that's the other issue. almost, willie, doesn't matter what he says. you know, it's possible he loses some core supporters if he does legitimately offer policy solutions that soften or move to the center on immigration but 26% of the people view him favorably. his unfavorable numbers in the 50s and 60s. what's fascinating about that, within that number 45, 50% feel strongly unfavorable.

in some ways the cake is baked with him. he's a deeply flawed messenger to a lot of people. that's why this turn to hispanic and african-american community, those people don't believe what he's saying because of all the water that's already under that bridge. >> one person he has won over, david duke. donald trump's campaign still trying to distance itself from one of his most controversial supporters, david duke, the former kkk leader and current candidate for senate put out a robocall urging people to vote for him and for trump. >> hi, this is david duke fl i'm sorry i missed you. i'm running for u.s. senate and i'll tell the truth no other candidate will dare say. unless massive immigration is stopped now, we'll be outnumbered and outvoted in our own nation. we're losing our gun rights, our free speech. we're taxed to death. we're losing our jobs and businesses to unfair trade. we're losing our country. it's time to stand up and vote for donald trump for president and vote for me, david duke, for the u.s. senate. >> ku imagine a more horrifying voicemail, you type in your

code. this is my mom. hey, it's david duke. in response to robocall, trump campaign aide tells nbc news, "mr. trump has continued to denounce david duke and any group or individual associated with the message of hate. there is no place for this in the republican party in our country. we have no knowledge of these calls or any related activities but strongly condemn and disavow, which has been donald trump's position over the last few months since the the first interview when he claimed not to know who he was. >> claimed not to know who he was. bob costa explained -- did you ever get a good explanation what he was doing before the sec primary when he claimed he didn't know who david duke was? >> no, i've never had a conversation with him about that. >> chris cillizza, any conversations with him about when he claimed he didn't know who david duke was? >> no, but seemed to me he was trying to do what he does a lot of times, when asked a question he clearly knows the answer to but knows if he plays both

sides, you know, dot dot dot dot. he let's people finish his sentences. he does it on policy. leaves it open ended, draw your own conclusions. that's to bob's point. it can be a lot of things. what does softening on immigration mean. who knows? it means whatever you think it means. >> exactly. it would be like if you went out and said, hey, i've heard amnesty don tattooed on my chest. >> where is the song? >> i'm not saying that. if donald trump said that. >> if you step back and think what is trump doing big picture on immigration, all these different kind of controversial issues and outreach to different groups, he's trying to make himself more acceptable to skittish voters in ohio, north carolina, pennsylvania. that's what he's doing. >> i don't know. i think you're overthinking it honestly. >> by the way, willie, i'm not saying he has a tattoo on his

chest that say amnesty don. >> many are saying that. >> i don't think so he does. but -- >> many people are saying it. >> lower back or tupac. >> tupac-style right there. on his lower back -- i'm just telling you what i've heard. i don't think it's back there but david duke, a tattoo of david duke. i'm not saying it is. >> not saying it is. >> in fact, i don't think it is but a lot of people are saying that have actually seen him like in speedos and the atlantic ocean, coney island, a lot of people are saying. i'm not. >> joe. >> it's really important. >> let's ask dr. bornstein to clear this up. >> i don't think he does. a lot of people are saying he does. >> maybe you should google it. donald trump tattoo.

>> i don't know. i don't know how the could go wor works. >> a lot of good information on google. amnesty don tattoo. latest piece titled chairman of the republican party is doing a much better job than you think he is. explain that. reince. >> we like reince. >> i hear from republicans every day, professional consultant republicans who say how could he let it get to this point, to which i respond, what was he supposed to do? seventeen candidates in the field. no one thought donald trump -- no one, certainly not the republican party, thought donald trump would wind up being what he was. he comes all the way to 30. he gets to 40. then by that point, what is reince supposed to do? is he going to call jeb, get out of the race, marco rubio, john kasich, get out of the race. it's not going to happen.

no chairman -- i mentioned in the piece, haley barbour, former governor of mississippi, held up as best republican chairman ever, not even haley barbour can call presidential candidates not at that level and say get out of the race. the criticism is how can he support donald trump? he's the chairman of the republican national committee, that's how. donald trump got 13.3 million votes. that is who republican voters wanted. he's doing his job. you you don't have to like your job but he's doing his job. joe, are you wrong about that? >> it's like, if somebody puts tattoos all over their body, you don't have to like it, hate it, judge. >> he's all ink, trump. >> many people say that. >> it's been asked whether it's a stain or tattoo. it's a tattoo. >> that's what some people are saying that it is but we don't know.

>> thanks for the visual. >> speedo. >> david duke. >> coney island on sunday afternoon. >> that's what he does. listen, i don't know. >> i think amnesty don. >> i've heard he does but i don't think he does. no, i don't think any of this is true but i've heard. i've heard it a lot, which is what he does, by the way. hillary clinton, you know, there's no solution. maybe there's a second amendment solution. again, i'm not saying that. i don't know. >> i'm not saying that. >> maybe you can shoot her. i don't know. i'm not saying that. >> she's deathly ill. >> hold on, i'm not saying she is but many people are saying it. >> robert costa, a lot of people are saying you're really, really good at what you do. >> but don't have much of a sense of -- >> i'm not saying that but a lot of people are. >> you should see his tats. >> notre dame tattoo on his back. >> i'm not a tattoo guy. this is not my thing.

>> you don't say. >> thanks for that. >> ahead on "morning joe" hallie jackson joins us. >> are we saying good-bye to "the fix" or is he staying with us. >> i have four liverpool plays on my son's team. >> which for? >> i'm not going to listen because i know your rating but i have a picture of joe on my biceps. >> of course you do. all the kids are doing that these days. in fact, those three liverpool players all -- by the way, those are three good choices. your son will do well. >> my son picked them. >> hallie jackson joins us from trump tower with new reporting on the message trump will try to get across in his big speech tomorrow now that everybody is distracted about the tattoos. >> plus tom cole joins us. he's live from oklahoma city and

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i don't think the vast majority of trump supporters care about deporting 11 million people or 1 million people. i think they care about stopping any further immigration. leave the wall. even if the wall is symbolic, they believe trump is serious about bringing immigration to a screeching halt. >> rush limbaugh saying he never

on immigration. joining us from trump tower nbc news correspondent hallie jackson. >> ask her if she takes him seriously. >> she has to for living. >> i can't hear you. >> are you serious? she can. >> ask about the tattoos on trump's chest. >> do you know anything about tattoos. >> i have to be honest with you i haven't been watching your show because i've been out here. i'll check the dvr to find out what you're talking about. >> we're talking about a tattoo that says amnesty don on his lower back. >> lower back? >> no, no, we don't know about it. >> people have been talking about it. >> amnesty don. >> i just heard that. >> i have no confirmation of

that. >> you get me into hess things. listen, i have actual news for you. i want to talk about something else. a little bit of a slooplet here. talking about this ad buy donald trump, new ad hitting hillary clinton on the economy. i'm told this morning by an adviser to the campaign that now they are going to go up on the airways in michigan. this the tenth state you're going to see the trump campaign play it. this is really interesting because trump has been talking about rust belt strategy pick up states like michigan. when the initial buy came out, people scratching their heads, hey, where are these states arguing they will push it. i'm told michigan buy will happen this week. last poll to come out of michigan showing a seven-point race there. it's not necessarily friendly territory for donald trump but i think you'll see mike pence

campaign there to try to connect with blue-collar worker there. that's been pence's role. interesting stuff out of the campaign this morning. i will also note controversy surrounding pastor mark burns. he's tweeting this morning saying he's sorry for that offensive tweet showing hillary clinton in black face but still stands >> thank you so much. we greatly appreciate it. let's bring tep difficult whip, congressman com cole from

oklahoma, one of the smartest guys on capitol hill and certainly one of my favorites there by far. we treat him as such every time he's on. >> hi, tom. >> greatly appreciate to be with you guys. i forget what we were fighting about last time but it doesn't matter because i forget what i had for breakfast. >> can i ask him something? >> no, you can't because he's one of my favorite. noticing the trend, believe in the senate races i'm noticing while donald trump's numbers have been going down state by state by state, not in all states but a lot of states, senators like pat toomey in pennsylvania and if you look at rob portman in ohio, roy blunt in missouri, certainly john mccain in arizona, a lot of these senators expected to have real problems right now at least the end of august before we kick into high gear are in a really

good position. what are you finding in the house races? similar things. >> very much the same phenomenon. partly because both these candidates are pretty unpopular. hillary clinton will have a hard time in a way, 34 unfavorable. other candidates, johnson and stein, break up the vote at the top and people may well vote for those candidates in protest and revert to their normal pattern down ballot. it's still going to be tough for republicans, largest republican majority since 1928. we polled states with obama care. i think the odds are we'll hold the house. we may lose a few seats as we did in 2012 but i think the majority is secure at this point.

>> based on the views of your constituents, what do you think donald trump should propose on immigration policy. >> i'll wait and see. i'm not in the business of advising presidential candidates. when i do, i don't do it out loud and on television, but i think the important thing that he tomorrow lay out a pretty clear vision of what it is that he's proposing and stick with it. i don't think moving around helps you very much. now, this last week may be necessary to get him to the position. the comment made earlier by one of the folks visiting with you guys that really the big issue is to stop illegal immigration. i find that's the most compelling thing. americans are pretty compassionate towards people that have been here for a while, long time played by the rules, they know a good citizens. they are sort of grudging about it. they know you broke the law to get here. they expect you to pay some price for that. the big thing is to make sure

borders are secure and the problem doesn't continue tofester. they don't have a lot of faith in hillary clinton on that. they do think trump is serious on that point. >> on these issues, let me try a different way, my way i suppose. some would say your candidate has some issues and some concerns. i just wonder why republican leaders like you, and those who are up for re-election, wouldn't take this opportunity to truly appeal to the black and hispanic vote and also find a way thoughtfully to appeal to trump voters without trump. >> i think quite a few of our candidates are doing just that. that's one of the reasons why so many of them, as joe said, are running well ahead of the top of the ticket. look, you know, we don't have nearly enough african-americans in the republican party but i'm proud we have two in the house and one in the united states senate. that's more than we had when i arrived in 2002. we've got quite a few frankly great hispanic representatives

and quite a few members who represent districts with very substantial hispanic populaon. those members have been awfully good about reaching out in their respective communities and establishing their own community. that's why they are able to some degree, at least, to run independently at the top of the ticket in their respective district. that's true of the candidates. i spent a lot of time on native american issues. guess what, i've got 11 indian tribes in my district and about 89% of the state of oklahoma are tribal members. >> you're doing that in your district, i understand, but the problem as i see it, there are no minorities at the grassroots who are being brought into the party and helping to shape the party's policies. i guess i have to dispute that anybody is doing that or even trying very hard to do that. >> well, i don't think enough is

being done. no question about that. i do think there is an effort by the republican national committee to reach out. look, this is done frankly more by incumbents than done by challengers or party organization. and because, you know, it's hard to show up in a minority community two or three or four months before an election and say, hey, vote for me. things will be different. you have to do it after you've won. you see a lot of our governors in particular run considerably better in communities. look at texas, a string of governors that give astronomical numbers among hispanics. i think that's because they work that community as public officials. in the case of governor abbott as an attorney general long before he was governor. have you to establish that trust individually. again, that's more than the republican party needs to do. i wouldn't dispute that for a minute because i think there are millions of african-american,

hispanic conservatives that we haven't made a connection with. that's our fault, not theirs. >> just quickly, you probably don't think your life is a living hell, so what do you have to lose sort of appeal that donald trump is making is a good idea? >> that's not the approach i would take. i would say, things can be a lot better than they are. these are communities that we know aren't doing as well as broader community, that do have higher unemployment, that do have less in the way of educational opportunities. when you go in there and tal about things like school choice, when you talk about job creation, when you talk about trying to help entrepreneurs actually proceed. j.c. watts was my predecessor and my client for many elections. obviously he was african-american but he talked to those communities with an obvious sense of understanding and compassion. i think when you do that you can find that you've got a lot more friends in those communities than you think but you've got to

get up and make the effort. >> you've got to get into the community. community by community get involved in the project after getting next to nothing the first time and my re-election, if i'm not mistaken, second time i got de los 40 to 50% of the black vote. why? because i went into the community and worked my tail off and did things for the community democrats weren't doing. it just takes -- it takes investment. it takes time. go ahead, congressman. >> it takes understanding. there's roughly 20 million african-americans in this country. i can assure you we should not be losing that vote 95-5. there are millions of african-americans that are conservatives, that are evangelical in their faith, that served the country in the military, they are small business people. we have a lot to say to those people. we haven't done a very good job of taking that message into

those communities. when we do, we'll start to change the numbers. we might not win the communities but you don't have to lose them 95-5. it's a big difference getting beat 65-35 and 95-5. >> congressman com cole, thank you so much. always great having you on the show. we really appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> we'll be right back with much more morkz. "morning joe."

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will join vanilla ice and ryan lochte on the cast. joining us from chicago, not we don't think with "dancing with the stars," editor, are you with dancing with the stars or no. >> not this season. >> you may get to level of celebrity. latest showing swing states donald trump maybe not hurting congressional republicans as badly as many expected, something we've been talking about this morning. we thought the support or endorsement of donald trump or even just saying i support the party's nominee would be a drag object people running in the republican party for re-election this time around. but at least in a few of these states north carolina, ohio, pennsylvania, we saw good numbers from mccain early as well, maybe the drag isn't quite what people thought? >> no, it's not. if you look at these individually, there are a lot of factors that go into that. overall you lk at 12 senate races across the country on

average the republicans are running about five points better than donald trump. that goes from somebody who is tied all the way up to portman who you talked a lot about, who is running over 11 points better than donald trump in the state of ohio. so republicans are faring better than donald trump in a lot of these states. >> do you think it's still an effective argument, tom? let's take arizona, for example, where aspected john mccain wins the primary, goes against ann kirkpatrick, whose line of argument, this is a guy who supports donald trump and she'll say that to the latino community, especially state of arizona, saying he's thrown his arms around donald trump. he would say i haven't thrown my arms around him but at least supported him as nominee. is that effective against john mccain and other places? >> it hasn't proven to be thus far. that certainly can change as we get closer to election day and the campaign gets more heated and more money is spent on advertising. right now so far it hasn't.

part of that, the reason is, some of these candidates have been able to say they are supporting donald trump and they are able to thread that needle. part of it, i think trump is so unique in both his mannerisms and his campaign and things that he says that's given republicans and voters have keyed in on that and republican candidates can say, "now," look, i'm supporting him but i disagree with him on x, y, and z. in a lot of cases these are incumbent republicans who voters already know and recognize that difference. >> tom, as you know better than most, we are inundated with polls here. how much importance would you pay, should we pay to these daily tracking polls that fluctuate sometimes enormously? >> not a lot. we tend to spend a lot of time talking about that. again, i would say don't put too much emphasis on any single poll. try and look at the aggregate of the data, which is my pitch for

our averages. tracking polls the same way. at best it gives you -- indicative of something. it's not necessarily predictive. gives you a snapshot in time. the tracking polls, you can find some in there. again, try not to pay too much attention to that but try and look at the data as much as you can in the aggregate. >> tom, this is gene robinson. a lot of the state polls paint a much gloomier picture if you take them in the aggregate for the trump ticket than the national polls do. do you as we get past labor day, do you look toward for a tightening or do you think the state polls are going to stay the same basically? >> that's a good question. historically we've seen them tighten, you know, in past presidential races, as you get into the heat of the campaign, post labor day. it's probably more the exception

than the rule that polls aren't going to move. i think we will see tightening in some of these state polls especially, gene, given the way the electorate is so evenly divided. we have two nominees who are historically unliked and untrusted. so i think for that reason we're going to see this thing is going to probably tighten up and end up being, you know, somewhat close in the end. >> tom, as somebody who has head buried in data and polls and all the statistics that go into the polls more than perhaps anyone, writes the lens. pull back a few months from election day. conventional wisdom seems to be because of the way the electoral map is laid out. hillary clinton is the favorite. i think most people agree on that. writ where is the race? how close is it? >> certainly hillary clinton, ahead in swing states. if election were held she would win probably convincingly in the electoral college. the question is can trump recover ground he's lost

especially among suburban white voters, well educated voters in places like pennsylvania, north carolina and other states. and i think we still have enough time left and some pivot points he's not out of this thing yet. >> important to remember. thanks so muchlt always good to see you. >> thank you. still to come, hillary clinton reveals a sweeping mental health agenda. s we'll get into that next on "morning joe." what up, peyt. you know i have directv nfl sunday ticket. i get every game, every sunday. all in hd. yeah. i know that. so you wanna come over? i'll make nachos! i can't right now man. i'm playing. oh yeah. alright. i'll pencil you in for tuesday. (vo) get nfl sunday ticket included at no extra charge.

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don't let anyone tell you it isn't great. this right now is the greatest country on earth. good morning. it's tuesday, august 30th along with joe, willie and me we have mike barnicle, with all due respect. editor of the washington post and political analyst unset with the three of us. all right. >> this is at the mike pence rally. >> really? >> really. >> i missed it. >> i missed the 999. >> trump should use the 999. >> if only we were dealing with the 999. i miss it.

>> it's fine. new polls show the white house race is tightening. 48% to 42%. she lead by 8 points last week. a four way race shows a four-point lead. >> what's that mean there? >> no. i mean is gary johnson taking from clinton more than trump or equally maybe? >> both. >> thanks. >> it is marginal movement there. >> yeah, and tracking polls tend to go like this.

>> and the new poll clinton falls 5 points to 49%. clinton also has a 7 point advantage over trump in a four-way race 46 to 39%. clinton's favorable rating white trump is steady at 26%. the monmouth poll puts these numbers out. >> and it's obvious that it had an impact. >> it does. it is very concerning. >> it is back down in the 30s. >> we have become accustomed to the last two. 34% favorable. >> three out of four americans cannot say they have a favorable

impression of the republican nominee. >> and in that same monmouth poll 64% say they are bothered by the appearance of wrong doing of pay for play or other things that settle into the conversation. it clearly had an impact on her number. >> and we have heard some republicans say they aren't voting for donald trump. some say if you all don't get behind donald trump, no. donald trump is where a lot of people predicted donald trump would be. 26% approval rating. that's not how you build a national party. >> traveling to places that he is losing by wide margins makes it look like he doesn't care at all about winning the presidency of the united states.

by looking at the percentage of voters who had favorable opinions since 1996 it had never been higher than 7%. thisr 35% of voters lack a favorable opinion towards the major party nominees. it is an increase from the 20 year high. >> we tried to put things in perspective. i think it pretty much does it. >> what more do you need to say? >> they are historically unpopular and not by a small margin. >> it makes you really start to question the turnout in november. are people going to just stay home? is the turnout going to be the lowest it has been? i don't know. you sense out there that people are so either depressed or angry. >> you know, most people are going to be voted for

unfavorable. >> that sort of on the ground turnout machine will be important. you know, if you identified your voters and if you called them every day or whatever as the clinton campaign is doing they are on the ground. >> i read about you on the internet. there was a catch phrase. >> i heard. i heard that. >> and trending --

>> i didn't think they were serious. an nes amnesty don. i guess because it stuck. >> the softening was pretty dramatic. so there's going to be a world premier called amnesty don. i'm not sure who is singing it. it may be britney spears. >> when do we get to hear it? >> i don't know. it is just kids out in a garage had worked on it last night and sent it to us. >> when do we get to hear it? how about right now? >> we don't have it right now. when do we get to hear it? >> when they finish it. >> i want to hear it. >> i don't know.

is it country and western? >> johnny cash. >> seriously, when are we going to see it? >> i'll say it for the third or fourth time in a row now, when they finish it in the back. can i ask you something, is it going to be in this span of the show today? >> i don't know. >> i just need answers. you remind me of someone else i interviewed recently. you can't give me an answer. >> i did give you an answer, when he is done editing it. >> okay. during the show? yesterday trump's running mate, mike pence, told a local news station in georgia that trump will lay out in quote

great specificity, exactly what his plan entails. we are going to know tomorrow exactly what his plan is. >> it will be good to finally know. >> yeah. >> senior aids say trump plan to contrast his immigration plans. yesterday's trump's campaign manager she got a jump start without answering and still holding a straight face, good luck. >> her plan on immigration is incredibly k incredibly coherent. she has catch and release. sanctuary cities continue. it is really a very radical plan. she thinks that he is actually not done enough. >> i can say there are many tenants to his plan. i think they are incredibly

important, build a wall which has been the signature of his campaign, no amnesty. >> no amnesty? >> no amnesty. >> why can't anybody answer if he is in favor of deportation or not. is he in favor of it or against it? >> he has not talked about it in a very long time. you'll to wait until wednesday. >> i think that was your evil twin brother skippie there. what did he pick up from the interview? >> that managing donald trump to speak in a straight line on immigration and get this thing cleared up has been a very difficult job for people in the trump campaign. apparently he is going to take that plunge.

>> how do you define amnesty? >> it i'm dead serious. >> we didn't give away free tickets. this is not amnesty. everybody's plan is not amnesty. >> again, kellyanne conway, she is very good. >> are they going to deport 11 million? >> no. >> are they going to get the deportation force? >> if i had to guess. >> are they going to be able to pay back taxes and people that abide by the law, are they going to be able to stay here? >> if i had to guess -- and she wouldn't be specific about

>> we technically would be -- >> it will be a great day in america tomorrow. >> or maybe they will go to the stadium. [ laughter ] >> includes visa tracking and adding more. as for his wall his adviser rudy giuliani said it wouldn't be a physical law. >> he is going to build a wall. it will be technological as well

as physical wall. >> you're 35 fetal. -- 35 feet tall. >> yeah, people that can dig under the wall. >> i can't even -- no. >> so the big question will be whether there is the touch back -- >> i just -- >> amnesty. >> whether they will pay back taxes. >> it is a step back from what

of the early 1990s. the nation's homicide record setting year was 1991 with more than 24,000 homicides. in 2014 there were less than half, under 12,000. august is turning out to be the deadliest month the city has seen in nearly 20 years yet there were 922 homicides in chicago in 1991 and 487 so far this year. >> and chicago is such an out e outliar. most big cities are safer than it's ever been. it is so much different. i live 3 blocks from the capitol

and people getting held up all of the time. it was a miserable dangerous place to live. so comparing saying this is the most violent horrible time ever isn't close to being true. >> it is completely false. chicago is an outliar. something going on in chicago. it's just completely -- people know. who does the best donald trump impression? >> what about john kasich?

>> i asked him to help me clear up the lies that losers are saying about me like i hate women. how can i hate women when i have the world's greatest woman right here. >> it looks like we could win six or seven or eight or nine, maybe a million states by the time the night is over. >> they say new reporting on interesting names being reported. here is bill checking on the tropics. >> eastern north carolina, florida and hawaii at all risk. minor concerns there, just high waves. it will head to the north today and head out to sea. the one in the gulf is interesting. it should be our tropical storm. probably 11:00 a.m. advisory. we'll watch that path over the next couple of days. it will drift and intensify and

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insider. clinton's advisers talking to the art of the -- [ no audio ] >> to understand how to get under his skin. clinton's team is looking at who to cast as trump in a series of mock debates. according to the times some have suggested john stewart among others. >> what do they have to do to figure out how to get under their skin? >> i think they are wasting their money. it's like why would you hire a

psychologist to figure out how to get under trump's skin? >> it is pretty obvious, right? we have mike and anna marie cox. >> i think he is especially sensitive and he is not actually a successful businessman also are the things that really get to him. i also think he can't stand having a woman being his equal and i think being on stage together will probably anow the stuff out of him. >> he needs this moment though. if he is down in the polls people are pointing to well, there is a time when the race could shift, when all of the guys are on the first debate. >> we have been talking about it

for a while. i think you could sell this as a pay-per-view event and make ten times what any pay-per-view boxing event is. i love that it is like splitting the at tom to get under donald's skin. what buttons can we push? wasn't there a roast one time? the only thing that was off limits is they couldn't suggest he had less money than he says they does? >> it is trump you, his hands. you go down the list. he has shown what freaks him out on tv. >> and how about he is finally going to define what his policy is on immigration. you always worry about -- it is like that year of dallas where

they wrote it off with a shower scene. it had been such a disaster. the whole thing turned out to be a dream. if you have to explain yourself on what has been your rock solid core issue then you're campaign is in more trouble than people think. >> yeah. and it's titled trump's fans don't care that he changes position and that's dangerous. explain what you mean. >> the one thing that's been consistent throughout his campaign, and i think it's through immigration policy has been his attitude towards immigrants and people of color. i think it's his attitude that really speaks to some core part of his constituency. as long as he is giving them they will believe she on their side. what you hear, i'm sure, is what

i hear from the trump supporters. they will say things like i know what he really means. he may say he is changing his position but i know him. what they are saying is i believe he is still promoting this -- >> they are saying they know what he really means. he always makes sure he sends not even a dog whistle out there. he will say this sort of thing. he will do the same thing on issues of race. i'm not saying this but he will throw something out there. >> we reached the point where it may be the first presidential campaign that needs like pop-up videos or subtitles, what he says and what he means. as you watched this thing play out and you heard him talk about the wall and how he is going to

send them all home, to me the greatest irony is that it was an immigrant couple, the cons, a muslim-american couple who have done more damage to him than he has done with himself. with anything he said he has been taking on water since that night and he hasn't stopped it. >> it is pretty remarkable. >> let's talk about the trump effect. kel kelly is there. sit between john mccain and kelly ward. i understand you spoke to senator mccain. feeling pretty good this morning. >> reporter: yes. he is out on the trail over these last few days. it comes from the trump effect. so much criticism from the very most ardent trump supporters. she has tried to make his age an

issue. he is trying for a sixth term in the u.s. senate. i asked him about how he is managing all of the attention related with trump it is in a tough environment. >> it's the people of arizona that know me. they know me very well. i have been here for many years. i don't think their judgment is effected except how they view me. >> reporter: so mccain is really emphasizing that personal relationship. at the same time he has been asked about trump and what trump has said and his position on

immigration. so this has been a case where mccain is polling very far ahead of kelly ward but you always have to count on primary day being the real answer. of course there's early voting here in arizona as well. mccain says a lot of ballots have already been in. the polls don't open for another 20 minutes or so. it is expected should he clear this primary. the real challenge would be november with ann kirkpatrick. with hillary clinton at the top of the ticket it might help her. >> kelly is up very early on primary day. thanks so much. >> yes. >> good to see you. >> yes. democratic candidates will use it to hang around the neck of republicans like john mccain. does it stick with him?

>> yeah. i think it is so tough to split tickets to expect people to do that in the voting booths. i don't know if he will stick the way they may think he will. >> i was watching john mccain there. i had never been in his presence until the morning after the diamond backs had won the world series. i had never seen the reality of his physical state, that he couldn't put his jacket into the overhead rack in the airplane. i think you to separate him from this discussion. this is a guy who has become in so many ways the president of the state of arizona. a guy of honor and a guy even when we dismiss washington as being hopelessly broken this guy has been a man of honor in this country. i think he can take himself out

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we find ourselves that we don't owe anymore. you can expect a legal mess here between the u.s. and europe. you guys mentioned hershey. we'll watch that. it is tumbling tonight that it is a rival snack maker, the maker of oreos will not be pursuing hersheys far deal. it has been chasing to combining oreo and reese's. now hershey is tanking. back to you guys. what this country needs is a crazy third world dictator. donald trump has what it takes to be that. he has already got a plane with

his name on it. solid gold buildings. take a look at these two buildings. which one is donald trump's and which one is saddam hussein? >> we'll have predictions next. e for crazy-big, world-changing machines. well, not me specifically. i work on the inal side. so i build the world-changing machines. i get it. you can't talk because it's super high-level. no, i actually do build the machines. blink if what you're doing involves encrypted data transfer.

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trump 2012. >> oh, my god. that was louis black in 2011 on what a donald trump presidency might look like. you know, 90% of all joking is

true. joining us now is lewis black with his book lewis black, back to the future. >> what you just showed, what's intriguing is the next day my assistant got a call from donald trump's assistant. he wanted to talk to me. i was like you got to be kidding me. about what? >> definitely. >> he did. >> you talked to him? >> no. no. i did not have time. >> you were talking about this five or six years ago. >> here we are today. >> can you believe it? >> no. i can't believe it. i think the pivotal moment for

me was when i was watching cnn. i watched it >> how do you, we the american people reached the point where intersected. >> yeah. >> that's it. we live, you guys discuss this every day. >> yeah. >> this is fiction.

we are living in fictional times. this would be better in a book if you woke up and read -- listen to me. >> i'm listening. >> if you woke up and read this in a book. what is the difference? >> romney had to work. i don't have to work. what's amazing is that comics who didn't do political stuff can now do -- all they have to do is wake up, read the paper and quote him. if you say -- if you say -- even when you just say the word trump i get a laugh. >> yeah. >> trump is easy. you were also bernie sanders supporter. what do you think about hillary

clinton as a choice? >> i think it's the stranst election i ever watched in my life. >> about politics? >> when in my lifetime? we have a two-party system. you think one of the parties might elect someone the american people trust. we thought hey, we liked that things didn't work out. let's try to pick somebody. >> yeah. >> what's it like for you going back to broadway? >> this has to be pretty exciting. >> it's great. >> they had to add shows. >> a grueling schedule. >> it has done well.

it does much better than i imagine it doing. >> and after broadway this is the start of a national tour? >> here is one for the books. i started it up again -- i take a break and we start up again in mississippi, birmingham and columbus, georgia. >> how was it in birmingham? >> it was great. you know, donald trump has helped my comedy. >> black to the future will be september 12th through october 24th. thank you. come back any time. we'll be right back with much more "morning joe." ♪

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he says he only took five minutes to write the letter claiming trump would be the healthiest person to ever be president. only took him five minutes. if you walk in an exam room and there's a naked trump you're like okay. put your pants on.

time to get out of here. i learned more about low are back tattoos than i ever cared to learn and every sunday afternoon donald trump and kids go to coney island. >> it is great. >> what did you learn today? >> i could be sickened on the set of "morning joe" but just the speck ter of donald trump ia speedo. >> many people are saying it. >> i learned that the future doesn't look quite as dim. thanks for watching "morning joe." stephanie picks up our coverage right now. a trump surrogate apologizing for his controversial tweet showing hillary clinton in black face. >> i am going to apologize for

the offensive picture. i'm not apologizing for the message. they preview the attempt to clarify immigration stance in tomorrow's big speech in arizona. >> it has been the signature since practically day one. no amnesty. >> no amnesty? >> no amnesty. and i'm talking election day. voters head to the polls in some big primary battles includining- >> no matter if i'm in a primary or general election. >> plus where john mccain's challenger will be joining us live. this