blackface, but the message that i intended i still stand behind. but my apology is because i think my message got lost in the translation. >> new poll numbers show trump is cleepg had creeping up on hillary clinton especially among undecided voters. the big question, what's the policy? new reporting on what we can expect from trump's prime time speech on immigration tomorrow. we're going to kick this hour off with reporters covering clinton and trump campaign. katy tur will be where trump is capping off voters. trying to attract african-american voters. pastor burns, high-profile surrogate for donald trump. key organizer for outreach is now caught up in this controversy. from your sources inside the campaign, did they have much influence over the tweets or apology of burns? >> my sources are saying this was all pastor mark burns.

they are going to leave it up to him to apologize for this. they are going to leave it up to him to explain what he was doing. they say they did not tell him to apologize. they say they had nothing to do with the tweet. this is coming at an inopportune time. he's supposed to visit detroit saturday to do his first in the real community outreach for african-americans. we've heard him trying to sharpen his message towards that voting bloc in the past couple of weeks atrialies. but remember, these rallies are predominantly white. there are view few minority voters who show up to these rallies. this was their attempt to get donald trump out in the mix with african-american voters, to talk to them directly in their homes, in their home cities, to find out what their problems are, challenges are, big issues are going forward in this campaign. they are trying to do away with this idea that donald trump is a racist, which many people are

claiming that he is throughout this campaign. they are trying to soften his image and trying to do with the idea that he is not somebody who will champion the needs of minority voters. so this pastor mark burns tweet did nothing to help him on that front space shuttle since it was near universally condemned and especially since pastor mark burns had to come out and apologize. an apology is something rare you see from anybody within this campaign. for him to come out and say that means it did create quite a firestorm. >> katy tur in washington for us. thank you very much. katie being out to cover the trump event. kristin welker covering the campaign, you had a heated exchange about an hour ago about what the tweets were all about. he was unapologetic at that point. is the tone of his defense different and is there reaction inside clinton world? >> well, his reaction and his defense is the same.

he's making the case he was trying to argue democrats and hillary clinton have taken african-american voters for granted and pander to african-american voters. yesterday he was not backing down at all, stood by his tweet. a couple hours after our heated exchange he did apologize. as katie mentioned he was making it clear it was his idea to apologize. be the clinton campaign isn't responding in part because they don't feel it has to, it's making headlines, letting the story tell itself. hillary clinton has been slamming donald trump's efforts to rally african-americans, more about moderates, independents. as katie points out the challenge for trump is he has yet to go to an african-american community and talk about his plans for jobs, dealing with crime. he's going to detroit this weekend. some saying that's too little too late. that's something clinton campaign and her surrogates pounced on. >> we know pastor burns was

setting up what the detroit visit means. are they worried at all about this new inspiring outreach of the campaign to try to chip away at supporting the minority community? >> i don't think they are worried, but at the same time i'm told based object my conversations they are expecting polls to narrow. i'm seeing that in survey monkey online poll leads by six points, down from eight points she had last week. so i think that they are trying to stay on offense. that's why you have secretary clinton giving that speech last week in reno linking donald trump to the alt-right. her surrogates are going to be out in key battleground states echoing some of her comments. this week, thomas, she's been fundraising, back out on the trail tomorrow and i anticipate that's a line she's going to continue to use as she tries to keep her lead in this race. >> kristen welker, good to see you. >> federal, thanks. >> jason johnson politics editor for root.com, news and culture site that looks at news from the

african-american perspective and also opinion. i know i've been looking at your website today, this is a big deal what's taking place in politics, especially pastor burns saying the tweets were satire. another trump surrogate used a different approachith my colleague. take a look. >> first of all, you're forgetting, this is an african-american pastor that put this out there. i was on with kristen welker. >> but it's creating -- >> let me respond. it was inappropriate. pastor burns said it was inappropriate. what that shows, personifies the frustration the african-american community has with hillary clinton. >> so critics call the outreach strategy so far lacking or tone deaf. does pastor burns' recent actions hurt or enhance strategy for minority outreach. >> it doesn't do either. the outreach strategy has already failed. here is the issue, pastor burns

i interviewed him during rnc, he's a very pleasant guy. the attitude he's expressing is what is fundamentally a problem with republican strategy. if you hear pastor burns say, look, it's time for african-americans to get off democrat plantation, time for african-americans to realize democrats aren't doing anything for you. here is the problem with that argument. the republican party, in particular donald trump, aren't offering an alternative. democrats didn't start winning women away from republicans by saying take off your republican and get out of the republican kitsch be, they started offering policies married women and single women appreciated and wanted to vote for. until republicans offer policy it doesn't really help. >> we're looking for that this weekend. he's going to be in detroit. pastor burns was key in setting up what it means for donald trump's visit, specifically tailored to be about minority outreach. we know pastor burns says donald trump is saking to all measures. does it feel that way for

americans that happen to be minorities? >> the polls say it is not. the key for me, it's not just that trump is polling at 0 and 1% with asian and african-americans, he's polling that badly in states where you have many african-americans that are republicans. john kasich got like 15% of the black vote when he ran for governor again. chris christie did well with african-americans. george w. bush got 15, 20% of african-americans when he was governor of texas. this is a trump problem, not just republican problem. there's not much he could say on saturday. he could show up with a dashici and hat and it won't make a difference. >> politics and sports, football kind of intertwined because of san francisco 49ers quarterback refusing to stand during the national anthem causing a stir. also his comments. he's not really a fan of hillary clinton or donald trump but

donald trump reacted specifically during a radio show in seattle about this. i want to play it. take a listen. >> i think it's personally not a good thing. i think it's a terrible thing. and maybe he should find a country that works better for him. let him try. it won't happen. >> obviously when someone protests, it's an american right to do so. it's an american right to have an opinion. if you don't agree with that type of protest, trump there being dismissive of the issue that colin kaepernick is trying to raise attention, criminal justice reform, police misconduct. what do you think that type of message sends to folks he's trying to reach out to specifically before this appearance in detroit this weekend? >> well, this is key, thomas. i'm a big politics and sports fans. i teach politics and sports classes. what you say about sports as a candidate also resonates with voters sometimes more than policy. when jeb bush was running in the primaries and he said he had no

problem with the name washington redskins, that hurt him among certain independent voters who think that name is racist. what donald trump has said, again, just like huma abedin, he stuck his foot into a situation, yes, it's going to help him with his base, lots of conservatives who think what colin kaepernick did was wrong. lots of african-americans are saying not only does he have a right to say what he stands for, probably a lot of racist problems with "star spangled banner" he's not happy with and speaking out against criminal justice, apparently something lebron james and other athletes can do, why not a problem with colin kaepernick. >> he said he didn't care if he lost endorsements over this position. i'm not going to stand up and show pride for a country that oppresses black people and people of color. to me this is bigger than football. it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. jason johnson from the root, good to have you on. any time. >> thanks. >> poll question, is trump

surrogate pastor mark burns, he apologized for offensive tweet featuring hillary clinton in blackface. should the trump camp apologize to? 90% say yes, 10% say no. still time to weigh in. cast your vote, let your voice be heard. we'll check in on this later this hour. after hinting he's retiring, maine's governor paul lepage walking back that suggestion. a recap of the time line of this governor and controversy over recent racially charged remarks that got us this far. >> i don't care what color he is. if you go to war, you know the enemy dresses in red and you dress in blue, you shoot at red. >> all right. so we're going to have more and why this governor is quoting mark twain about his political future after this. intelligence officials told nbc news russian hackers have

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schultz not a lot of love lost there. rubio and john mccain, both hoping the down ballot backlash from soft support of donald trump. covering crucial races, msnbc reporter covering florida and debra wasserman schultz, her not so graceful exit. having impact on the polls today? what are you hearing? >> reporter: yeah, thomas, it already has in a big way. this race was really put on the map by bernie sanders and his supporters who rose up over opponent, law professor, not well-known. they made him the vessel for their vehicle, their anger at deie wasserman schultz, the way she handled the primary. they feel she tipped the scales in favor of hillary clinton.

they raised $4 million for tim canova, according to recent polls of wasserman schultz. she's still ahead. still a lot of what he's talking about is not so much about the democratic presidential primary but more using her chairmanship to argue she's lost touch with the district, been too concerned with national issues, raising money, too close to special interests. i sat down with debbie wasserman schultz this morning and asked her if she had any regrets about her tenure at the dnc. take a look at what she said. your tenure as chair brought up by opponent, especially supporters. do you have any regrets about anything you did as chairwoman? >> on the contrary i'm very proud of my tenure as chair of the democratic national committee. it was an honor to be asked by the president to watch his back, help the first african-american president and elect democrats up and down the ballot. any time the president asks you to do anything, it's a

tremendous honor. we were very focused on making sure and successfully ran a primary that was by the book and followed the rules. hillary clinton was the winner by more than 3 million of course. >> so as she's campaigning at polling places she doesn't want to be the former dnc chair just the congresswoman from this district, play up her long ties here. >> reporting in florida there, alex, thanks very much. we'll keep everybody posting on what the polling out of florida returns. msnbc kasie hunt in florida covering marco rubio's bid for re-election. rubio wasn't going to run for re-election and revised those hopes just several weeks ago. what's the reaction among florida voters there. he does hold a lead, correct? >> hi, thomas. i apologize, a very sudden wind come up here outside near disney world here in florida. marco rubio we weren't expecting to be down here covering a

senate primary for him. if you had listened to what he had to say for the months of the republican presidential primary, you would have thought, no way would we be here. one of his advisers was quoted anonymously as saying he hates the senate. rubio himself said, i wouldn't use that word but i am frustrated. he insisted he was going to be a private citizen. once he lost that republican presidential primary to donald trump, that all changed. here we are today. he's in the senate primary. he's expected to win. advisers expect that. he would be likely to face democrat murphy in the fall. murphy has his own primary as well. the challenge for rubio has been negotiating his relationship with donald trump. he's now telling florida voters they should vote for him when they have to choose between hillary clinton and donald trump but he's on tape and on record saying a lot of things about donald trump that are very negative including calling him a con man.

he had trouble answering questions from "miami herald" editorial board. he said i stand by everything i previously said. that's a little bit of a difficult spot to be. it will be interesting to see if he tries to take a different tack after this. central battleground, a lot of focus here. it will be interesting to see if he separates himself at all. >> trump came up with famous nickname little marco, shouldn't be elected dog catcher. there wasn't a lot of love lost in the primaries and they can came out to support each other and trump was supportive of seeing him make this effort and stay in that post. >> trump was supportive, had kind words to say on the stalg in sunrise, florida. yes, in fact, we do support marco rubio. you have mitt romney coming out sending a fundraising e-mail for marco rubio. romney was supportive of essentially any other

republican. there are points he urged everyone to support him for president. marco rubio remaining senator from florida, interesting to see whether voters want to punish him for it, for going back and forth, hasn't done a good job sesk as senator, since he was so busy running for senator earlier in the year. so far they seem willing to forgive him. rubio himself pretty ambitious. we expect he'll probably be somebody who wins the senate race who shows up geb in 2020 or 2024. >> seems like florida voters punished him in the primary when that went to donald trump. see how he does today. >> just a little. >> good to see you, thank you very much. in arizona, john mccain facing the election fight of his career. kelly o'donnell in phoenix with more. kelly. >> reporter: good afternoon, thomas. john mccain says he's confident about the outcome but this is a high-stakes race in this year because of effect of donald trump on states like arizona

with the fate of the senate up for grabs for voters. arizona is one of those states democrats think they could make inroads. today is about the primary and challenge for john mccain has been a conservative challenger. 47-year-old kelly ward, she's a former state senator and osteopathic physician and she's been going after john mccain for being in washington too long and she has cited his age calling her self a fresh candidate, referring to his age at 80, he just isn't able to work as effectively. mccain is aware of that. after voting today with his wife cindy made a reference about the kinds of supporters who have been working on his behalf. let's listen. >> we've been inspired by so many of our young interns, well over 200 of them that have been working incredible hours and getting out the vote. that's why we're very confident about the outcome today and we look forward to moving for the election in november.

this group of young people has certainly inspired us. >> so mccain citing it is young supporters doing so much of the hard work to try to turn out votes for him today. he does say november will be tougher. when i spoke to him about the state of the race, he said you've got to work hard for all of it. it is a fight and a tough one. he, of course, knows democrats are watching this race and they will be trying to support ann kirkpatrick, the congresswoman who would presumably be his challenger come november. it's a state hillary clinton will work hard to try to win votes in as well as democrats to want to take over the senate. mccain will all along now through november assuming he gets through the primary will have to deal with the trump effect. that is something he's tried to avoid as much as possible. thomas. >> kelly o'donnell reporting in phoenix. thanks so much. we look at weather now, national hurricane center, tropical storm hermine to develop in mexico.

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he gave the infamous speech where he called on the killing of any disbleeflg americans, europeans, french, australian or canadian citizens. this man really was isis before isis was isis. he spent time in an american prison in iraq with al baghdadi. this could be a significant victory for coalition forces in their continuing strikes against leadership of isis. he was number two commander. we know alicnumber three was targeted. they continue to target leadership. >> thanks. we're joining by terror analyst, this is a person influential in isis, having pledged support to abu al zarqawi, put out the

edict saying kill people, westerners, if you have to use a rock or run them over with their car to incite terror and fear. isis backing up these reports. have we heard definitively how this death happened? >> we don't know definitively. it occurred while surveying military sites in aleppo province. aleppo the scene of pitched battles right now not just involving isis but mainstream syrian rebels, iran, hezbollah, syrian army, you name it. everyone going full force there right now. there are reports, rumors, not confirmed, he may have been killed in ab airstrike around the town al babb in aleppo. if that's the case most likely he was not randomly killed because he was on the front

lines, he was most likely targeted. we know this individual because he primarily gives speeches where he calls for attacks, calls for attacks in western countries. according to intelligence he plays a much more active role. he's labeled head of isis external operations. so one of the questions we're asking right now is what kind of an impact will his death have in terms of not just generally but more specific attempts to carry out terror attacks inside the united states and other western countries will this have an impact in terms of slowing that down, upending their plans to carry out such a task. >> we know, he have an, it's just coming september 16th, two years since he put out this edict. kill a disbelieving american or european, especially filthy

french from disbelievers waging war, including countries that entered into coalition against islamic state, kill him in any manner or way however it may be. smash his head with a rock or slaughter him what knife or lunn him over from your car or throw him from a high place or choke him or poison him. since that we've covered so many different kinds of atrocious terrorist attacks and whether it has been what happened in nice paris, the issue for many people, including your self, is trying to tie it back to this type of inspiration, edict to say i did this in the name of isis. >> yeah. i can tell you from personal experience, having reviewed cases involving individuals recruited by isis living inside united states or countries, individuals following very, very closely what muhammad al addnani

was saying. he was tremendously influential pushing individuals living in countries to carry out home grown attacks. his words and his commands played a very central role in pushing disturbed individuals to carry out attacks whether or not they had any prior contact or any direct contact with isis. so that's another important point to make here. in terms of the problem of lone wolf terrorism, extremism tied to isis, abu muhammad al-adnani figures in. no doubt he's one of the top figures in isis, very closely associated with isis terror operations abroad. again, sourcing on his death is pretty much unimpeachable, comes directly from isis saying he is dead, killed. if he was killed in a drone strike that's more interesting because it would suggest or intelligence on the locations of top isis leaders is getting

better. >> evan, stand by, i want to bring in malcolm nance, also a terrorism analyst. malcolm, wha evan was talking about, lone wolf inspiration, does this do anything to change the operation of isis or as we've seen over the years, someone just rises up to fulfill the post of the person latest kill. >> that's the supposition that's often made in the media, we go around and kill off some of these top leaders and somebody just rises to his post and everything goes business as usual. evan made have good points earlier about al adnani, he's one of the senior members of isis. he was in 2005 to 2010, the place we called jihadi war college, where future leadership of isis got all their experie e

experience. however, there's something to be said about killing leadership. it forces a low grade lieutenant who doesn't have the knowledge and can't fill the shoes of someone like al adnani. he had a large quantity of corporate knowledge of isis simply because we were killing off most of the leadership the last two years. we've degraded about 70% of all the original senior leaders of isis. will it have an effect? it won't have an immediate effect because any operation that was in play, adnani would have had information will still go out and play, whether involved in operations or part of the senior council. that remains to be seen but they will definitely be of lower quality. >> just for everybody that understands this. >> just so everybody

understands, it won't be over, even though junior rises up and fills shoes it doesn't mean isis will be finished because of this death? >> no, you're absolutely right. one of the things we worry about in counter-terrorism, when you kill senior leaders, "kill as we call them corporate executives inside the senior command structure, you always get the more clever and ambitious junior lieutenant who what to come up and prove himself. he may take over an operation or form an operation for it to be deployed or activate a cell or individual that was keeping about carrying out the attack in order to carry out the revenge attack we expect after most of these killing, you know, carried out by, as they like to call it, abu muhammad al adnani martyrs brigade in honor of the person just killed. isis is not crippled. isis is krild kinetically

through ground warfare. it's going to be interesting to see how did we kill al adnan issuing, b 1 bomber dropping 2,000 pound bombs or drone in synchronized and highly enmeshed intelligence operation tracking him individually. the most important thing is if we can get to al adnani, it won't be long before we get to the leader of isis. may take a little time but al baghdadi has to be very afraid indeed. >> thank you. if you're just joining us, we're getting official word there has been the death of the second in command of isis, al adnani. this is someone who has been largely in control for a long time. as malcolm describing more of a corporate figurehead in the leadership of isis. remains to be seen if someone will rise up to fill his role.

isis put out a statement confirming his death. we don't have details from u.s. intelligence forces about exactly what happened. we'll bring them for you on msnbc. next on the campaign trail with donald trump promising this major speech on immigration tomorrow. so after this time period of ambiguity and confusion, are we finally getting a more detailed policy plan for millions of immigrants living in the u.s.? we'll examine what's expected. you push and pull and struggle and fight and love to run your business. and when you need legal help with that business, we're here for you. we're legalzoom. and over the last 10 years we've helped one million business owners navigate every day challenges. so visit us today for the legal help you need to start and run your business. legalzoom. legal help is here.

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million undocumented immigrants in the country. congressman jack kingston raised the most controversial and confusing acts of this debate. >> why doesn't the campaign know yet whether a deportation force is part of his immigration policy? is it or is it not? >> it is part. we're going to learn more wednesday. >> because they don't know. contributor writing about issues, washington correspondent for "time." good to have you both here. let's talk about this, deportation force. he walked back saying it's not going to be that. he did say it was going to be a deportation force when he had an interview with joe and mika months and months ago, stood by that. surrogates talking about what it would be like a mechanism for rounding up potentially 11 million people. he gave an interview on cnn and said we don't know the number, could be 30 million, 5 million.

it's kind of a shell game what the policy is. >> when we're talking about illegal immigration and immigration reform, unlike so many other issues which are so complicated when we're talking broad strokes with illegal immigration there are ensemble basically five options. one is status onquo, mass deportation, legalization with no citizenship, guesswork or program with touchback provision and the last is path to citizenship. donald trump and his surrogates have basically suggested for and against all of these with the exception, i believe, of the path to citizenship. ironically that is the one that most americans want according to gallop. 80% want that including 76% of publicans. so there's so much lack of clarity around this issue. i don't think people expect himing to into detail if he picks an option from a, b, c, d, or e, that will go a long way laying out what the policy is. >> doesn't mean he'll stick to that but the policy for 48

hours. this is not the first time a policy speech that trump has tried to give by his own campaign. do we think that this is really going to provide the clear answer for voters about what they think a trump plan really is? >> well, i mean, that's what they are promising right now, but he's more often than not been completely indistinct on these things. his voters don't really care about this to be fair. you go to trump rallies and say what do you think about donald trump taking this position or that position, many different sides on the same position, they are always like, oh, it's okay. he's just saying that for entertainment purposes. to some degree it helps him, helps people fill in the blanks themselves. they believe he believes what they believe. him having these different positions to some degree makes him sort of an empty suit to him. they project onto him what they want him to believe. at the same time i don't know that there's anything he can say at this point on immigration he can win the day. he's had so many different

positions. every time he changes his position he hurts himself with another group. when he softened his positions, the base got very angry. if he now back tracks, he's going to potentially put off again moderates and latino voters, what can he possibly say where he's going to actually win this argument. >> it is all about winning right now for donald trump. that is what it took, the language he used during the primary and to get a rabid base of followers and supporters, it was all about winning. he was able to win. he was able to get the gop nomination. we know this morning we had trump clarifying a physical wall would go up if elected. he's going to build this massive wall, the southern border wall. surrogates got this message, they got stuck on it. i want to show you steve cortez trying to explain this. take a look. >> there will be a physical wall. does that go from sea to shining sea, again, i'm not the architect of it. the point is there will be a

physical wall and we are going to secure the border. that's what's most important. >> there have been architects and folks that say just from -- look at the geography having a seamless wall across our border. >> problematic in termsthe of terrain. number two, a lot of those lands in private hands. it would involve some type of use of eminent domain, which is usually proceeded by years of lawsuits. we have two clues possibly from trump's speech. one giving it in arizona, ground zero for a lot of anti-immigration, home of sb 1070. i don't think he's going to go out on a limb and embrace something more towards liberalization or legalization if he was doing it in arizona. s.e.c., his surrogate as he mentioned earlier, more immigration judges. that's critical when you talk about immigration enforce men. we cannot deport more people than the government is currently deporting because people subject to deportation orders have the right to appeal, obviously have the right to a lawyer to go

through due process. there's a huge bottleneck of these cases. if trump is calling for more immigration judges, that's a signal he wants more aggressive immigration enforcement that we do now. even if he talks about going after bad guys, the bad guys right now 11 million, i think we only have 690,000, 6.3% of the total undocumented immigrant population that has been convicted or charged with felonies or serious criminal merchandise. >> basically he's saying we're going to stick to the policies as we're already. >> similar. >> we have to run. that he have you much. we had breaking news this hour so had to be a little shorter on this s.e.c.ment. we'll be talking more this week. back to breaking news, second in command has been killed in syria. we've got more details on this man who was so crucial to the terrorist organization after this quick break. here... or here. today, there's a new option. introducing drug-free aleve direct therapy.

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we've had this hour about isis confirming the death of his second in command. he's believed to have been killed in a drone strike. we're still waiting on confirmation from u.s. intelligence about how this death happened in syria. i want to bring in msnbc's cal perry who we've been following and brings us up to date with the latest intelligence. cal. >> interesting what u.s. says about how he was killed. we're hearing from various channel that it was potentially from a drone strike. one of the fascinating things about that is how isis as a group is going to react. the initial reaction will probably be that u.s. intelligence is starting to figure things out and starting to track some of these top commanders. when lou at isis and the importance they have put on dissemination of their message, they have put on propaganda. this was without a doubt the top commander. this was the man who may have been pulling strings logistically on attacks happening in europe or in the west. this was the man who disseminated the message that lone wolf attacks using a knife

in europe were things he wanted the followers of isis to do. he looks the part. you see him there on the left side of your screen. so this in so many ways was the face of the organization. now, certainly the ideology is going to live on to a certain extent but this is for u.s. intelligence this is potentially a very big day. >> thank you. want to go to colleague msnbc foreign correspondent ayman mohyeldin. what does this do to the organization? does it cripple it or is it ripe for someone young who wants to prove himself to come up and do something spectacular in his name. >> reporter: that's a great question. two ways to look at it, in the short-term and long-term. in the short-term this is a massive setback for the islamic state. the story of al-adnani is the essence of isis. he's been with the organization not only as it exists today

known as isis but early inception in al qaeda and iraq. he's essentially part of the dna of the organization. if the united states or any other coalition partner or as the details emerge, we learn how he was killed or how he was taken out, it is going to disrupt a very inner workings of the organization. as we've been reporting, he was head of the external operations meaning he may have known about attacks and sleeper cel in europe or elsewhere. all of those will be interrupted in the short-term. certainly if the u.s. and others can keep momentum on the organization following his death, it could prove to be a pivotal moment in the organization. what we've also seen, as we've seen with the killing of other top leaders, not just of isis but al qaeda, you could also assume there will be younger members of the organization wanting to prove them sells. they are really two good examples of this, obviously depending how you rate al qaeda following the death of osama bin laden, the organization it's

self, al qaeda central pakistan and afghanistan has been weakened compared to options. we've also seen even after abu musab, others have taken the organization to depths we had never managed. >> ayman mohyeldin reporting for us. we'll keep everyone up to speed on exactly the action that is led to his death once we get more confirmation from u.s. intelligence sources about how he was killed in syria. a side note he was in u.s. custody in iraq for six years before being able to go back to syria and then take up with isis. again, he had pledged allegiance to isis and abu al zarqawi years ago before he was killed in 2006. up next after leaving onobscene rant on a lawmaker's phone, mayor paul lepage, is he

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then, you know, maybe it is time to move on. >> so lepage and to walk back those comments later tweeting, regarding rumors of my resignation, to paraphrase mark twain, the reports of my political demise are greatly exaggerated. i want to bring in political editor mark murray. obviously this is a little confusing out of governor lepage. this not the first time he's flirted with the idea of a departure. he even said to voters, send me letters if you want me to leave. he received a bunch of letters. and they asked him to leave. >> thomas, so the totality of that radio interview governor lepage was conducting was one he was expressing an apology and how sorry he was for the voicemail message. i think he in a lot of ways, a lot of that despondency ended up translating to the hypothetical question, do you end up filling out the rest of your term. i'm just evaluating everything. to a journalist like you and , hey, leaving the door open to

resigning. the office did push back with that tweet saying i don't think you should consider this being the end. we'll see this happening. clearly the governor is shaken by all this and stepping into a controversy. >> this the same lawmaker he had the run-in with. we heard audio. once he gave interviews, let it go explaining what it did to him, original confrontation, whether or not this democratic lawmaker referred to him as a racist. even brought up he wished it was the 1800s and dueling was legal so he could shoot the guy. >> thomas, what was more unbelievable than even that rhetoric, having it on voicemail where you know opposition is going to take that to news organizations and other people. normally you want to have words and be frank with somebody you have a private conversation, maybe pull that person in their office. you do something. but leaving a voicemail message with those words, incendiary as they were i do think explains

the controversy he got into. >> lepage admitted to leaving this voicemail, local reporters, had to request the voicemail to get it from this democratic lawmaker in which on this message he talks about, i hope you record this, i hope you share this and thank you. at least he was polite on the finish, the dismount was nice with a thank you at the end but pretty nasty in between. >> just not about sticking the landing, it's about the other part. >> keep it going this verbiage, thanks. let's check in on the poll question today. that was we've been asking you about donald trump and his surrogate pastor mark burns apologizing for those offensive tweets that featured hillary clinton in blackface. do you think the trump campaign should apologize, too. here are results. 92% say yes, 8% say no. check out the polls. it will remain live, polls @msnbc.com. that will wrap up this hour,

i'll keep olympics going, pass it over. >> we do have breaking news out of syria. isis just released an official statement confirming the death of its top spokesperson. let's get to senior news editor cal perry. he's been following all of this. cal, what do we know? xx xxxx>> reporter: the importance cannot be understated of this top commander. this the man who not only disseminated isis ideology around the globe through these videotaped message. he was also the coordinator, logistical coordinator of attacks. he gave infamous speech in 2014 where he called for lone wolf attacks around the world. he was killed in aleppo visiting front lines. you're seeing