learned today? >> no. >> i care. >> okay. what i learned today is hillary clinton's approval rates continue to drop pretty darn low, the lowest in i guess 20-30 years that the "washington post" has been taking it. and it just makes this going into labor day, it make this is contest a jump ball. >> that does it for us for now. we will see you tomorrow. stephanie rule picks up the coverage right now. good morning. i'm stephanie rule. we've got breaking news overnight. it's all about the surprise visit. donald trump set to meet with the mexican president ahead of a major immigration speech. trump, who kicked off his campaign attacking the country and linking immigrants to major crime. >> they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists. >> mexico's former president already slamming trump's visit.

>> he's going to be rejected by everybody here in mexico. to me it is a desperate move. >> today new clues on trump's immigration policy. >> we are also going to secure our border and stop the drugs from pouring in and destroying our counted. >> and this morning trump's campaign manager doubling down on those controversial part of his plan. >> no amnesty. he's absolutely going to build that wall. >> we got to begin with the breaking news donald trump heading to mexico city in just a few hours for a meeting with the mexico president before delivering his major speech on immigration tonight in arizona. we have got our team of reporters and correspondents all over the story. i want to start with hallie jackson live on the u.s./mexico border in arizona.

this announcement caught everybody by surprise. what's the trump campaign telling you about how it even came to be? >> reporter: this was something that has been put together over the last several days. donald trump wanted to do this. i am told by a source with knowledge of this decision making process that this impetus here was really steve bannon, the trump campaign's new ceo. he believe this is sitdown could be a game changer. it is potentially politically risky for donald trump, which we'll talk about in a couple of minutes, given that he has that major immigration speech tonight. if anything goes badly with the mexican president, it could potentially over shadow what is a key speech for him. two quick notes. number one, we have reaction from donald trump's running mate mike pence wo sho says his prouf

his running mate for dropping everything to travel to mexico. we also have words from the former mexican president. he says the mexican people reject donald trump. they don't want him in their country. mexico city is not a place where donald trump is popular. he's set to land there right around the noon hour. >> that's what the former president is saying. but trump's campaign manager kellyann conway was on the today show talking about the meeting. >> he wants to establish a conversation with a neighboring country and leader and also to discuss the common problems and challenges that our countries face. >> a leader. here's what's confusing about the meeting. think about all of the things donald trump has said about mexico and mexican immigrants. pena nieto has compared donald trump to hitler.

how do they kick this meeting off? sorry, dude? >> reporter: it's a private meeting. i don't want to call it bad blood, but the issues between the two and between donald trump and frankly a lot of mexicans have been bubbling really for years, not just from donald trump's speech back last june when he said mexicans are rapists and criminals and maybe some of them are also good people. but he's been tweeting about this. the clinton campaign was quick to jump on this sending out a list of all of donald trump's tweets about mexico over the last couple of years. nieto has walked back those comments comparing trump to hitler. he's struck kind of a softer tone about donald trump saying in several instances he would be willing to work with whomever is elected as president of the united states. maybe we will see sort of a more diplomatic carefully worded meeting between the two.

>> good, bad or otherwise, if steve bannon is right and today's meeting is a game changer, what happens in the immigration speech tonight? >> reporter: still goes on, obviously. this is a major speech for donald trump. over the last several weeks his campaign say he will provide details about his policy and about one oh f the central questions which is what to do about the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants living here. those are the outstanding questions. what we do know is this. according to a top aide trump will talk about the e-verify system, he'll talk about his plan to end sanctuary cities and presumably put some meat on the bone there. you've got two major narratives developing for donald trump today. the question is how does the one

impact the other. >> trump is meeting as we've been discussing with the mexican president. it's coming after a year of contentious and controversial statements donald trump has hurled at undocumented immigrants. >> when mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists. and some, i assume are good people. there's great danger with the illegals. we have a tremendous danger on the border with the illegals coming in. one of your ex-presidents of mexico gave a news conference. he said we will not pay for the wall. ten feet taller. and every time they protest it's going to go up a little bit higher. >> let's go live to katy tur in washington state where trump held a rally late last night. you have been covering the trump campaign since the beginning. we shared just a few sound bites. but given all that donald trump

has said in the past year about undocumented immigrants, about mexicans, what position does that put him in today? >> well, it's certainly a hard position to reconcile. his language has been anything but diplomatic when it comes to mexico and its leader and its people. he has made the wall just got ten feet higher a call in response at his rallies whenever fox or calderon or pena nieto come out and say they're not going to pay for the wall and donald trump asks his crowd what happens and they respond, the wall just got ten feet higher. donald trump tweeting his disgust, his anger with mexico for years now for a court lawsuit that he has in the system there that has not gone his way as early back as late 2014 and 2015. so trump's feelings toward

mexico have not been a secret for some time. how is he going to be able to reconcile that in private with the mexican president, we're going to have to wait and see. it's a private meeting and we're only going to find out what each side wants us to find out. the mexican president has only about a 23% approval rating now. what he stands to benefit from hosting trump is not entirely clear. what trump stands to benefit with his supporters is a sign of leadership, being able to reach across the border to talk with people that he has not gotten along with in the past. this is a sign of leadership that donald trump has tried to put himself in throughout the campaign trail saying he'll be able to do things that other politicians will not. >> it's a sign of leadership if you are someone with more moderate views. but if you think about donald trump's hard core base, does

this not risk a big change and he could lose that base? that base has loved him from the beginning. >> fundamentally his hard core base likes donald trump more than they like any of the policies or any of the moves that he makes. they like him as a person. they like him as a leader, as an idea of a leader. they believe in the decisions he makes. they trust him. is this going to cut away at their support? i frankly don't think so. i think this is a move from donald trump to try and exhibit some leadership, he thinks. will it work to gain moderate voters and voters that don't necessarily like donald trump and don't agree with his views, that remains to be seen. but this is not something, in my experience in talking to donald trump supporters, that will hurt him in any way. i want to bring in now msnbc contributor charlie sykes and

raoul reyes. is this meeting appropriate? what's history here? is it something presidential candidates normally do, meet with world leaders? >> it's not something they do this close to an election. whether it goes well, whether it does not go well, i think most americans are not really cool with the idea of a foreign leader somehow maybe potentially influencing the course of an american election. remember pena nieto is deeply unpopular. it's like the lowest approval rating of a mexican president in about 25 years. he's linked to a lot of corruption cases right now. there are allegations against his wife from taking a condominium in miami from government contractors. he has many problems. it's hard to see who benefits. if i were a strategist advising the trump campaign and he were

set to deliver a major speech on a signature issue, i would not want him tired from running down to mexico for this meeting. we know when he gets tired, he goes off script, he gets snappy, he acts out. >> you are a never trumper. but i want to talk about this for a minute. donald trump is an entertainer. he is a charming, charming man in person. what happens if he wins over pena nieto? >> that's unlikely. but it's a fascinating risk/reward calculation. obviously the reward is you look presidential. you're standing next to the president of a major country. but the risks are also considerable. this is a president who's compare him to hitler and mussolini. the lack of preparation here

seems to exponentially increase the possibility of miscommunication. this apparently is the brain child of steve bannon, who will never be compared with henry kissinger. donald trump is not richard nixon and this is not a going to china opening the door kind of moment. >> donald trump's supporters would say they don't want steven bannon to be compared to henry kissinger. people who love donald trump are going to say this makes him look like a statesman. people who don't like him are going to say this is pandering to get votes. could this translate into votes from the latino community? >> i would say no. what i think looking to the speech regardless of how this meeting goes, one of the things

that is going to be problematic is donald trump has spoken about the need for people who are undocumented in the country to go back, somehow legalize and allow the good ones, as he calls them -- >> because logistically that's going to be so easy. >> exactly. if you're an undocumented person and you leave the country for y any reason, you are automatically barred from entering the united states for either three years, ten years or permanently. it's a complicated long drawn out situation. donald trump doesn't really seem to get that. when he talks about allowing the good guys back and kicking the bad guys out that's another very troubling area. if you have an undocumented person who is a united states veteran and has a domestic abuse charge in this country going back 25 years, is he a bad guy? that was a real case. if you have an undocumented person who was in a car accident and injured someone while driving people to his church, is

he a bad guy? that was a real case. the whole notion of what is going to be bad guys, we have no guidelines or clarity. e-verify was in the gang of eight bill. this notion of going back and allowing the quote, unquote, good guys back to the united states. >> we were talking polling earlier. pena nieto only polling at 23%. 77% of mexicans prefer hillary clinton to be the next president. what does he get out of this meeting? >> he really is throwing donald trump a lifeline. clearly in terms of the benefit, donald trump had a lot more to gain from this than he does. that's puzzling. you kind of wonder whether he

understands he's about to become a prop in this particular show. i don't know what the upside for him is unless he comes out and says in forceful terms, mr. trump, i am not going to pay for that wall. if he confronts donald trump, maybe that will resonate with voters in mexico. i would assume that the trump people would have thought about this in the last 48 hours, but maybe not. >> what do you think is in it for the mexican president? >> i think it's a distraction from his own situation. just last week his law school confirmed that he plagiarized his three esis. he has many problems. he came in as a reformer but mexico -- the population has really become fed up with corruption, with the violence and now with the scandals that havengulfed him, his wife and other family members. maybe it's a distraction by

bringing trump to mexico and the attention will be there. >> if he's looking for a distracting circus, i'm quite sure he's going to get it. another important political story, three high profile incumbents have survived. they survived. they beat out their challengers. senator john mccain, marco rubio and debbie wasserman schultz all beat their opponents tuesday night while all three were favored to win. these were some of the heavily watched races ahead of november's presidential election. i want to know if john mccain is going to be attending donald trump's speech in arizona tonight. coming up, we're going to go live to mexico city to see what people there are expecting. next, donald trump has had a lot to say about mexico and specifically the mexican president in the past. we're going to take an extensive look at his comments.

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in just a few hours from now donald trump will meet with mexican president pena nieto. donald trump has been very vocal about his feelings on the president and his country, especially on social media. cal perry has been shifting through all of trump's tweets for us. what have you found? >> a lot of tweets and campaign ads from january of 2016 where you hear a thnarrator say he'll stop -- that's not mexico. that's a spanish enclave in north africa. let's start with february of 2015. this has been going on before he announced he's running for

president. he talked about a lawsuit that had to do with the miss universe pageant and another businessman in mexico. he says don't do business with mexico. he talks about how he loves the mexican people but mexico's not our friend. he says we must have strong borders. without that we do not have a country. also mexico is killing us with trade. a long history of this, stephanie. one of the issues that's going to be going on is how can he impress hispanics that live in this country? that's been a serious issue. we have a tweet from march of 2015 where he talks about how sin k cinco de mayo. hillary clinton has put all of his tweets online in chronological order.

>> as you mentioned, though, it hasn't been just mexico. he's also gone after latinos here in the united states. it's not like mexico's been isolated. this has been a broad-based attack on donald trump's part. >> for sure. this is something that he has to make up ground on. this is a demographic that is changing in the united states, that is increasing very quickly. this is something he's going to have to close ground on. when you look at the style of his tweets, it's going to be hard for him to back away -- donald trump doesn't back away with anything obviously. everything is with an exclamation point. everything is on the offensive. not just mexico, but the hispanic community here in the u.s., really highlighted with that one tweet on cinco de mayo. >> just last week he started with this big flip-flop on

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is backing away from comments seen as him hinting his resignation. later he said any suggestion that he was resigning is an exaggeration. tropical storm hermine is expected to form in the gulf of mexico this afternoon and could eventually become a hurricane. this storm will cross over florida at the end of the week before heading up the east coast bringing 10-15 inches of rain. hip-hop star chris brown posted $250,000 bail this morning after a bizarre standoff. the singer was arrested on charges of assault with a deadly weapon after a woman claimed she was threatened with a gun. hillary clinton has also been invited by mexican president enrique pena nieto.

hillary clinton has already blasted donald trump for going to mexico but she's also been invited. do you think she's going to go? >> reporter: well, her campaign says she will visit at what they are calling an appropriate time. they point out that she last met with president pena nieto in 2014 and they say she is in contact with mexican government officials on a regular basis. they're using this moment to slam donald trump to remind voters of all the controversial comments he's made about mexicans. they say quote from the first days of his campaign donald trump has painted mexicans as rapists and criminals and has planned to deport 16 million people including children and u.s. citizens. now, they're also releasing a whole host of donald trump's tweets about mexico. let me read you one of the tweets they are sending out. one reads, the mexican legal

system is corrupt as is much of mexico. pay me the money that is owed me now and stop sending criminals over the border. that is their rebuttal to donald trump's visit today. they will be watching closely and undoubtedly seize on any wrinkle that occurs on that trip. >> she's been in the hamptons for a few days raising money, sort of hanging with te lehe el she gets criticized for hanging with. >> reporter: she's going to be talking about american exceptionalism. she's going to be talking about the importance of having a strong relationship with u.s. allies to defeat u.s. enknemiee. she's going to use this speech to draw a sharp contrast with donald trump who questions u.s. relations with nato. now, this comes as the clinton campaign also announcing an

endorsement today from james clad, the former secretary of defense under george w. bush. she's going to highlight some of the other endorsements she has gotten from republicans and national security leaders. this is a tough crowd. she's hoping to gain ground in this key battleground state. >> i know what she's not going to be talking about today, benghazi. what does she say about these potential new e-mails that are related to the attacks? >> reporter: the state department saying there are about 30 e-mails that relate to benghazi that are a part of thousands of e-mails that were previously undisclosed but were found during the fbi investigation into secretary clinton's e-mails. they are right now going through those 30 e-mails.

some of them may be duplicated. they're trying to determine what e-mails will be made public. the thing to know about these e-mails, the state department saying they likely won't be able to get them out until the end of september. that means this issue is not going anywhere and will undoubtedly stay with her likely through election day. we're now getting some breaking news about a state department warning over donald trump's visit to mexico. joining me now on the phone is our own andrea mitchell. what can you tell us? >> this kind of visit is very difficult to organize. the state department is not used to moving that quickly for a high profile visitor. donald trump is not popular in mexico. it was an advisory to donald trump's people to say don't do this so quickly. it was telling him this is not advisable. he's controversial here.

you know what the situation is politically in mexico. but according to sources in mexico, that was obviously something that the trump people did not want to hear. it was determined from all of the reporting by our colleagues who cover the trump campaign that this was something that the new team steve bannon in particular felt would be a really important strategic move, tactical move for donald trump. they're going against advice from the state department that the embassy would have a hard time staging this. joining me now roland martin. we've got to talk about donald trump, this visit he's headed to mexico. the state department has already put out a warning. but from hillary clinton's perspective, she's been quietly fund-raising for a couple of days and it's given way for donald trump to own the news cycle. that's what donald likes to do. this is what his campaign

manager said today. >> i think you'll see a very presidential donald trump meeting with the president of mexico. i'm sorry that secretary clinton is not going. i feel like she keeps following the leader. we're the leader here. >> it's a risk. donald trump's campaign knows this is a risk. they think this is a strategic move. is hillary clinton putting hi t herself in a position that this could work for donald trump? >> she doesn't need to prove herself on an international stage. he does. he needs this far more than her. when it comes to owning the news cycle, there are good times to be quiet. donald trump, every time he talks, he screws himself up. he goes there. what is he going to talk about? he's going to come back and say i told the mexican president i'm building that wall? no. if he comes off as saying we had

a cordial conversation, his supporters say, you're the tough guy, why didn't you confront the mexican president? >> you're talking about logic, though, and conventional wisdom. that's not what trump has based this campaign on. what if he wins over pena nieto? >> the mexican president's approval rating is below 30%. that ain't happening, okay? so the mexican president also depends upon mexicans sending billions of dollars back to the united states. not going to happen. but again if you're the clinton campaign, what you do is you chill. you're raising money. your focus is to focus on your ground came, take that money, open offices, get the vote out. you're not caught up in the media hype and the news cycle. let donald trump do all he needs to do. again, he manages to have one

good day and three bad days. >> but as you said again logically, hillary clinton understands foreign affairs. she was secretary of state. but we've got to look at her approval rates today. she's at the highest disapproval she's ever done in her career. she was raising money all weekend, but she was racie i ra in the hamptons among billionaires, the people that she keeps getting criticized for rolling with. >> if you pull that graphic up of her high unfavorables, his are higher than hers. there's not much she can do to change those numbers. those numbers are irrelevant. what she has to do is simply get out the vote. her focus has to be less than 70 days. early voting starts in mid

october. you want to get your people to the polls because you want to build up a substantial lead in early voting. democrats have done very well in 2008 and 2012 with early voting. again you also have the three debates going on. if you're hillary clinton, you're not freaking out. you don't follow donald trump. again you're a former si eer se of state. you don't have to follow donald trump to mexico. she can say here are the photos when i met with the mexican president. good luck. been there, done that, donald. you try it. >> donald loves to talk about i'm the most talented, i'm the most valuable. trump supporters forgive him for every tweet he puts out there. in terms of men and women on the ground, knocking on doors and making phone calls, what does hillary clinton have in place? >> the democrats have had a large infrastructure in the last

three sicklecycles. >> president obama crushed it. >> that was infrastructure. that meant offices. that meant data. that meant understanding all of that. they put the money in place. in some places he hasshe has 60 offices. he has one, two, maybe even zero. the committees depend upon the dpi campaign to run their operations. when it comes to elections, donald trump is thinking i can just go on television and people are going to come out. remember, he only got 30-35% of the vote in the republican primary. now you're talking about a general election. it's a different type of campaign. you need a ground game. he doesn't have it. she does. >> i do want to go back to likability and accountability. why is it that hillary clinton can't seem to escape her past? and donald is never held accountable for his? just yesterday i was talking to a donald trump supporter about

the city of chicago. he was saying donald trump is going to wipe out crime, this, that and the other thing. donald trump has had a tower in chicago for seven years and hasn't met with community leaders and doesn't get called out on it. >> people say that's just donald. he gets the benefit of the doubt. she has been branded for 25 years now by the right as well. that's been cemented. her job is first of all stop playing around with the e-mails. answer forthright. the clinton campaign should flat out say no more foreign funds for the clinton foundation. they should do that, be proactive, go on the offensive. we've got to take a break. coming up, while donald trump has involved on immigration, one thing has remained constant, the wall. ♪ [engine revs] ♪

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the question is, how much will the current plan of building a wall and putting together massive deportation forces actually cost? our chief legal correspondent has been looking into this for us. donald trump has been saying he's going to knock down debt. but this wall looks expensive. >> that's exactly right. from a policy and legal point of view he is rolling out things that would involve more federal government. a wall that would be contiguous across the entire border has been estimated at upwards of $25 billion. now, to be fair to donald trump, he says he will bill another country for it. the question, what happens if they don't pay that bill? that may be a big point of discussion at today's meetings with mexican leaders. if they don't pay it, somebody has to. that would be the american taxpayer. i mean, absent an agreement, what we see when you have a treaty that gets pass and

ratified by the senate, there are plenty of ways that countries come to mutual agreement for costs but it's not usually done unilaterally. >> you want to talk about his newest claim. he put out a quote, we're going to build a great wall on the border and we're going to institute nation-wide e-verify. >> congress passed a program for e-verify which is just jurargon for the idea that there is an online portal where employers can find out if people are eligible to work in the u.s. people that are for cracking down on illegal working like the idea. but it's complicated when you think of all the paperwork and questions. some states, about 20, make it mandatory for some classes of employers. based on donald trump is saying, he has referred to the idea of national e-verify. does that mean required? that could for some businesses add a lot of costs.

it could according to border ski security experts be another way to have some punishment or some mechanisms that don't go all the way towards deportation, which is very expensive. >> it could cost money for small businesses which donald trump says he's here to support. coming up, donald trump is going to be landing despite warnings from the state department in mexico city in a little over two hours. we're going to go there live for what we can expect. we'll bring donald trump's immigration speech tonight live starting at 9:00 p.m. eastern.

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that's reaction from two mexico's former presidents to donald trump, who's heading there just hours from now. miguel al maguer is there on th ground. what are people saying? >> reporter: it's certainly not a warm embrace. only 4% of mexicans have a favorable view of donald trump. there are political groups today calling this stunt in mexico and saying donald trump is not welcomed here. they're also beefing up security here. it's unclear if there will be any organized or planned protests as mr. donald trump makes his way from the mexico city airport to meet with the president. >> the state department put out a warning that it wasn't a good idea to go. what's it actually feel like there in terms of safety?

you are there in mexico city. >> reporter: it's a big city, a bustling city. there is traffic everywhere you go in the city. we have not seen signs of protest yet or any crowds gathering. it is still early. mr. trump is not expected here for quite some time. but we do know on local television and talk shows there are many people that are very, very angry, not only just from political groups but also ordinary citizens. we were listening to talk radio this morning as we were coming in. people were calling in giving their disgust that mr. trump was coming here. he's not become welcomed here at least from what we have seen since we arrived in mexico. >> do you get the sense there could be riots or protests in any way? >> reporter: it doesn't seem as though anything is planned yet. there's been no talk of any protest or gathering yet but of course that could change. it's still very early here in mexico city. coming up, the headline, of

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as donald trump spends the day focusing on immigration between his trip to mexico and speech on the topic tonight, trump critics are asking for clarity on his position and how he's going the make those immigration plans actually happen? nbc's senior political editor mark murray has the four points he needs to make tonight to move the needle. mark, you put this out in "first read." i'm a new employee at nbc. i happen to think this is the bible, the guide. you can subscribe from this. everyone can get "first read." firstread.nbcnews. for those who haven't next subscribed, what are these four

points? >> stephanie, thanks for those kind words. number one, what is donald trump's plan precisely with the 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the united states? donald trump earlier last week was talking about a softening. he mentioned a hardening. we have to get an answer to that question. the second is, if the undocumented immigrants in the country have to leave, how do you do it? trump has talked about a deportation force. his campaign manager, kellyanne conway has said, that's just something he mentioned in november. so we need clarity there. the third question is how do you end up paying for it and this is how much it's going to cost and how much we're going to pay for it is an essential question for tonight. finally, a little bit relatedly, it has to do with the issue of birth right citizenship for undocumented immigrants who are born and become an automatic citizen in this country. we ended up hearing from the rnc

on "meet the press" who said i actually agree with birth right citizenship and mike pence, the vice presidential running mate said this is an issue to discuss maybe in the future. we need on all four of these to know more about where donald trump is than where he was last week. >> i'll have my list of four tonight. tick, tick, tick. waiting to see if we can check them off. mark murray, thanks for joining us this morning. >> thanks, stephanie. donald trump promises he'll build a wall on the border to stop people from coming from mexico. jacob soboroff is there right now. what are you see? >> reporter: not much. the sog has rolled in. it has socked over this area. the border patrol say this is is one of the times of day you can expect people to try to cross the border illegally into the united states. in the next hour, i'll have an exclusive look at an area where there is no par troll.

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that wraps us up for this hour. i'm stephanie ruhle. i'll sea you tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. coming up, more news with craig melvin. >> a lot of news to get to on this wednesday morning. up first, donald trump on the world stage. in just a few hours trump meeting face-to-face with the president of merks co-enrique pena nato. trump was warned not to expect a red carpet rollout from the people. >> he is not welcome to mexico. by 130 million people, we don't like him, we don't want him, we reject his message. >> trump's meeting happening just hours before he's expected to clear up the confusion over his immigration policy. will he soften his stance on mass deportations? will there be a pathway to legal status or even citizenship for

undocumented immigrants? from the start of his campaign, donald trump has derided mexico and mexican immigrants as well from time to time. for their part, mexican liters including president knee eight toe himself. five months ago he compared trump's rise to hitler's and muse lean anies. what he has talked about on the campaign trail, open borders. what's really happening along the southern bofr der. we send jacob soap rof to check it out. he is there live for us this morning. our team is in place across mexico and the united states this morning. we start with nbc's miguel almaguer in mexico city. he joins me now on the phone. again at last check, we were told this meeting was expected to happen around 2:00 this afternoon eastern time. how did this thing come about? what do we realistically expect to come from this face-to-face? >> reporter: it sounds like this will be a very short meg,