work together. let's modernize our army and marines, our navy and air force, our coast guard, we need to respond to e vovling threats. from states like russia and china, iran, and north korea. from networks, criminal, and terrorist networks like isis. we need a military that is ready and agile so it can make the full range of threats and operate on short notice across every domain. not just land, sea, air, and space, but also cyber space. we'll invest in new technologies so new break throws can inform our military just is stealth, precision weapons and advanced communications did in the past. we'll make a renewed push to reduce the world's nuclear weapons. because that does make us all safer. and we'll step up our efforts to secure nuclear material around the world and stop terrorists from acquiring or using weapons

of mass destruction. one of the first things i will do as president is to call for a new nuclear posture review. we have to make sure that america's arsenal is prepared to meet future threats. we'll invest in the next frontier of military engagement. protecting u.s. interest in outer space and cyber space. you've seen reports, russia's hacked into a lot of things, china's hacked into a lot of things, russia even hacked into the democratic national convention, maybe ian some state election systems. so we've got to step up our game. make sure we are well-defended and take the fight to those who go after us. as president, i will make it clear that the united states will treat cyber attacks just like any other attack. we will be ready with syria's political, economic, and military responses.

and we're going to invest in protecting our governmental networks and our national infrastructure. i want us to lead the world in setting the rules of cyber space. if america doesn't, others will. so in short, we have to be ready to win today's fights and tomorrow's. but you know the most important thing is the size of our military or the sophistication of our weapons, the most important thing is our people, the men and women who put on the uniform and serve. [ applause ] we need to -- we need to take a hard look at our military's personnel policies, to make sure we are doing everything to attract and keep the best and the brightest who volunteer. we need to support not only them, but also their families.

and as president, i will never forget the debt we owe to our veterans and your families who also serve d. i will never, ever, disrespect gold star families who made the ultimate sacrifice for our nation. [ applause ] or prisoners of war who endured so much in our name. to insult them is just so wrong. and it says a lot about person doing the insulting. in the senate i worked with republicans to increase the benefit paid to gold star families. to expand access to military health insurance, to make sure all members of the guard and reserves and their families have access to health benefits, whether they're deployed or

training at home. i fought successfully to amend the 2007 defense appropriations act. to establish a training program for family care givers helping loved ones with traumatic brain injuries. senator john mccain and i joined forces to personally raise money for a state of the art rehab facility at brook army medical center in san antonio. to help seriously wounded service members coming home from iraq and afghanistan. like you, i was outranged by the scandals of the va hospitals. people waiting for months or years for wheelchairs and basic medications. some even dying while waiting for an appointment. i know that you heard from secretary mcdonald -- and i know how hard he and his team are working. we are going to build a 21st century department of veteran's

affairs that delivers world class care, and we are not going to let anyone privatize the va. we're going to reform and strengthen it, not privatize it. we will ensure access to timely, quality care for all of our veterans. improve care for women who are often underserved. identify and treat all wounds of war, visible and invisible. including age and orange and golf war syndrome and traumatic brain injury and ptsd, we will end the epidemic of veterans suicides by expanding access to mental health care and fighting the stigma that isolates too many of our veterans from getting the care that they need. i feel passionately about this

be because i have looked into the eyes of too many family members who have lost their loved one to suicide. that's why just two days ago when i released my plan to improve mental health services for all americans, i included a specific section about more help for veterans and their families because we know too many aren't getting the help they need right now. we've got to serve them just as they served us. we are also going to help more veterans looking for jobs with expanded tax credits for businesses that hire veterans, more support to veterans who to start their own businesses. and making it easier for veterans to get credit for the skills they learned while serving. [ applause ]

and we will crack down on for profit companies who discriminate against service members, veterans, or military families, they should be ashamed of themselves. and we're going to hold them accountable. we will also work closely with the american legion to clean up and expedite the appeals process, benefits should be delivered as quickly as possible and appeals should be decided as expeditiously as possible. i thank you for the work you are doing on that. now a lot of what i have mentioned has support from democrats and republicans. maintaining our military and caring for our veterans should never be a partisan issue. defending american exceptionalism should always be above politics. but this is not a normal election. the debates are not the normal

disagreements between republicans and democrats. so, i hope you will listen carefully to what my opponent and i propose. consider our plans and the values behind them, and after you've given us both a fair hearing, i hope you will join the growing number of americans, democrats, republicans, and independents, who are supporting our vision for the kind of future that we want for our country. this election shouldn't be about ideology. it's not just about differences over policy, it truly is about who has the experience and the temperment to serve as president and commander in chief. just three weeks ago, 50 republican national security experts, who served in prior

republican administrations, wrote a letter saying that they will not vote for donald trump. because he would be, in their words, the most reckless president in american history. by contrast, i am deeply honored to have so many retired military leaders backing me, along with these republican experts. i'm supported by people on both sides of the aisle. and both sides of the debates that have defined our foreign policy for the last 30 years. they know i believe in a bipartisan foreign policy. they know i believe we should be finding ways to bring our country together around national security, our role in the world, our values. they know they can count on me

to do that. and what matters to them is that we make the right choice in november. the stakes this fall are as high as any election in our lifetimes. so i'm going to keep raising these issues, keep telling people where i stand, laying out plans for what i do if ooichl elected. i have to tell you it is a little funny to me, i get hypocritized for having so many plans. oh, there she goes with another plan for mental health and veterans. well, i have this old fashion idea, if i'm asking for your vote for president, i should tell you what i want to do as your president. so yes, i have laid out plans and i'm going to work my heart out to implement those plans. if i with thin fall, no one will work harder for our troops, our veterans, and our military families. this is personal to me. starting with my dad, his name

was hugh rodham, he enlisted in the navy shortly after pearl harbor. he became a chief petty officer at great lakes, north of chicago. responsible for training thousands of young sailors before they shipped out to sea. mostly to the pacific theater. and after my dad died, i received letters from men who had served under him. i treasure them to this day. my father told me how emotional he got when he accompanied his trainees to the west coast and saw those young sailors get on board their young ships. he knew some of them wouldn't survive. but he believed in their cause, he believed in them, and they

went to serve to protect our country. they knew their country needed them. over the course of the last years, i have also had the privilege of working with, helping and supporting so many active duty and retired military, members. and families. first as first lady, then as senator, then as secretary of state. and be privileged to meet with the men and women who serve our country i'll sit down if we hear what's on their minds. will shake hands and take pictures, sometimes bring messages back to their loved one. and i too knew that some of

those young men and women wouldn't be coming home either. it's that kind of courage and honor that our men and women in uniform demonstrate every single day. [ applause ] i will never forget that, and i would expect the american legion to be my partner in the white house, to make sure i never do. you and all are veterans deserve nothingless. our respect, our thanks but you also deserve a country that honors your service. not just with words, but with deeds.

that's why the american legion is so critical. working every day to make sure america lives up to that standard. i will be doing that work right alongside you. if i am given the great honor to serve as your president and commander in chief. thank you all. god bless you, and god bless the united states of america. thank you. [ applause ] ♪ ♪ >> hillary clinton there wrapping up with a speech in cincinnati, ohio, at the american legion's annual convention. meanwhile, any moment now, donald trump's plane is expected to land in mexico city for that surprise visit with the country's president just moments ago. we heard hillary clinton there reacting to that visit. take a listen. >> you don't build a coalition by insulting our friends or acting like a loose cannon. you do it by putting in the

slow, hard work of building relationships, getting countries, working together was my job every day as your secretary of state. it's more than a photo op, it takes consistency and reliability. actually, it's just like building personal relationships. people have to get to know that they can count on you that you won't say one thing one day and something totally different the next. and it certainly takes more than trying to make up for a year of insults and insinuations by dropping in on our neighbors for a few hours. and then flying home again. that is not how it works. >> good day to you, i'm craig melvin. we have team coverage for you now. let's start with andrea mitchell there in cincinnati, where again, hillary clinton just wrapping up that speech and

andrea, we did not hear the democratic nominee mention her rival by name, but we did hear a number of not so vailed swipes at mr. trump. >> not vailed at all, craig, absolutely. as you point out, she didn't have to say donald trump, she did say, you know, my opponent is wrong when he says america and american military are no longer great. he's called the american military a disaster. she said that's just not true. it's an insult to all of you. it's an insult to all of the men and women now serving. she has pretty strong credentials, not only as secretary of state, but as a member of the armed services committee. she was well known representing new york ft. drum and the others. in the tenth mountain division. that said, she comes in here as a democrat to a largely republican conservative audience. she did not get wild applause. she said i know that many of you are republicans, many of you have never voted far democrat before, i ask you to listen to

the rhetoric this year. this is not a normal election. saying basingically give me a chance and don't just listen to donald trump who's going to speak here tomorrow. that's what she was implying. but listen to what we do, not just what we say. this is a tough sell, this conservative audience, but she really speaking beyond this immediate crowd here in cincinnati, trying to speak to independent voters, to republicans, suburban voters, to swing voters that will potentially decide this election. craig. >> clearly this was also a speech that perhaps had been written maybe a few days ago, but when word spread of that last minute trip to mexico, it would seem as if hillary clinton and the speech writers decided to add that section that we just played there. andrea mitchell for us in cincinnati, ohio, where again hillary clinton just wrapping up that speech at the american legion national convention. we also just saw the democratic presidential nominee posing for

a number of selfies as well with america's veterans. let's go from cincinnati to mexico city now where any moment now we expect donald trump to land, jose diaz, miguel amaguire on the ground there in mexico city. jose, let's start with you, we've got this meeting that's supposed to be happening between trump and the president of mexico. president nieto, and of course hours after that, the highly anticipated speech in phoenix, arizona, where we are hearing that donald trump is going to once and for all clear up any confusion that might exist over his immigration plan. let's start with the meeting. what can we expect from this meeting and how did it come to be? >> reporter: well craig, i'm just looking at some of the records here. there is no record in the recent history of mexico of a president inviting candidates to the united states presidency to meet with them before a general election. of course, there's been no american president that has invited candidates from the

mexican presidency to go to washington, d.c. and meet with the president. so, this is unusual. nieto, the president of the mexico has been going through his probably most difficult political times during his presidency. he has about a 23% favorability rating right now. and so, what he did at the end of last week was invited both hillary clinton and donald trump to meet at their leisure. the question i imagine is that nieto thought maybe when one of them wins during that transition period, we could meet. but, donald trump, kwuns again, the one who creates the headlines, has decided to come here. it caught everybody off guard. it caught the mexican presidency off guard and they have really been, you know, doing everything they can to get this meeting going. it's a private meeting. but nothing that donald trump does is private. and it's expected that after that meeting, there will be some availability of donald trump in mexico before he heads to

arizona to unveil his immigration plan. but this is a candidate, who for over a year has been saying there needs to be a wall built between the united states and mexico and mexico will pay for it, it's probably one of his stump speech greatest hits, and he's at times, for example, the time he announced for the presidency over a year ago, said that those who cross illegally are rapists, murderers, and not good people. that's had an impact here in mexico. and craig, people are wondering what nieto is going to tell donald trump, right? >> absolutely. as we were driving in, one of the things that we heard about from so many people was the anger and resentment that donald trump would come here and especially under these circumstances, many people saying he's not -- he may have been invited, but he's not welcomed here. and that's the sentiment we're getting from so many people on the streets. >> let's look ahead here to the speech tonight, jose, again, there have been myriad questions over precisely what donald

trump's immigration policy looks like. what are some of the outstanding questions that you think trump has to answer with the speech tonight in phoenix? >> i don't know that he has to answer it because he decides what to answer, but i'll tell you one of the questions that a lot of people have, and i probably dare say on all sides of the immigration issue is what specifally do you have in mind for the 11 or 12 million undocumented who live in the united states, many who have been in this country for generations, and who tribute to the economy and who have children and grandchildren, many of them born in the united states of america, what happens with those people? and that has been unclear. he talked about early on, deportation force, now that's possibly the border patrol or i.c.e. what do you do about the people that have not committed any crimes since crossing the border? should they be deported?

yes or no. that is something that people are looking to see if he can once and for all clear his vision of that. >> and jose, we expect some type of briefing after the meet pg. it's unclear what will be said and transmitted over to us. >> quickly craig, here in mexico, as you know, elvis presley plus in the united states here in mexico, he is one of the idols of mexico, died just a couple of days ago, this country is in mourning. today, this morning, i was speaking to someone right, just outside our offices and told me, for the past two or three days, we've been looking towards heaven thinking of juan and today, we're looking right over there at hell, political hell. it's an interesting way of seeing what donald trump is going to try to achieve here today. >> it certainly is. >> miguel on the ground there and jose diaz. thanks to you both. we'll come back to you later. what do we expect to hear from donald trump.

that major immigration speech in phoenix tonight? trump's running mate offered a preview a short time ago, mike pence, telling radio host laura ingram, expect a hard line. this is part of what she said -- what he said. >> what you're going to hear from donald trump tonight is the same principles and the same policies that he used when he put illegal immigration in. and ending illegal immigration at the center of the national debate in the republican primaries. we're going to build a wall. we're going to have secure borders, we're going have the e verify system, we're going to get people out of this country in short order who represent a threat to our families and our communities. >> kelly o'donnell is in phoenix where again trump expected to reveal some details tonight. 9:00 eastern, that speech expected to happen. kelly o., we are hearing that the attendees among them at least sheriff joe arpaio, we

just heard from mike pence on laura ingram's radio show, it seems as if this is going to be more of a red meat kind of speech for his supporters, no? >> reporter: that is the sense i'm getting from talking to sources that have some knowledge of how the policy has been shaping up inside trump world. there's a sense that donald trump recognizes that when he talked about kind of a slower approach and there was blowback from some of the strong conservative voices, rush limbaugh, mark levin, some concerns about was he softening? that this speech is a way for him to reclaim the tough talk that got him through the primaries. so, i am told not to expect a lot of new policy here, but just sort of a reestablishing the principles that donald trump is about. and it may be in more details than we've heard with just the catch phrase of build the wall and make mexico pay for it. the wall will be prom not, of course, border security,

critical, but he may be going into more detail about some of those other topics that relate to immigration that don't always get the bumper sticker treatment. and that when mike pence talks about e verify and some of the interior parts of the country and issues that relate to immigration. i'm also toldle to expect a full throated attack on the hillary clinton immigration policy. as we watch secretary clinton more kind of deafly, quietly challenge donald trump as a candidate, before a more conservative audience, here in arizona, expect that donald trump will go right at hillary clinton on her policy when it comes to deportation, immigration, policy, the dreamers, students, all of those different aspects and trying to set that contrast about what a trump administration immigration plan would look like versus a clinton plan. so red meat you say, craig, i would say order it up now. >> kelly o'donnell for us there in phoenix with the preview of what we expect to hear tonight from donald trump there in

arizona. kelly o., thank you as always. we again are awaiting donald trump. that plane expected to touch down any moment there in mexico city. we're told he is meeting with the president of mexico at the top of the hour. up next, someone directly impacted by a president trump's immigration plan. and don't forget, you can watch trump unveil that immigration plan tonight, 9:00 eastern. right here on msnbc, but first though, today's microsoft pulse question, here it is, former mexican president vicente fox saying donald trump is quote, not welcome here. should he be making that trip? go to pulse.msnbc.com to cast your vote. (vo) stank face.

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former u.s. ambassador to mexico under president george w. bush. mr. ambassador, first of all, thank you so much for your time this afternoon. i want to remind our listeners and viewers of just a few of the things that donald trump has said about the country that he is visiting this afternoon. take a listen. having some audio issues there, but i would venture to guess that most of our viewers and listeners are familiar with some of the things that trump has said about mexico. we do have it now, let's play it. >> when mexico sends it's people, they're not sending their best. they're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists. when do we beat mexico at the border? they're laughing at us, at our stupidity. and now they're beating us

economically. they are not our friend, believe me. the mexican government is much smarter, much sharper, much more cunning, and they send the bad ones over because they don't want to pay for them. are you ready? who's going to pay for the wall? >> mexico. >> who? >> mexico. [ applause ] >> 100%. 100%. >> in so many ways, the country where you sit right now has become an applause line for mr. trump at these rallies. why would the president of mexico invite donald trump to meet, mr. ambassador? >> well, i think that's a question that many mexicans were asking themselves this morning and when they woke up to the news. apparently the invitation was extended late last week to both the secretary clinton and trump campaigns. a bit unusual to extend it to the nominee's of both parties in the united states, my guess is

that president pena nieto did not anticipate such a quick response from the trump campaign, a bit flat footed, and here we are. minutes from the trump plane touching down in mexico, there are people gathering in the streets in protest. the twitter is lit up. there is a collective angst and i think anger, and a very high stakes gamut but both president pena nieto and mr. trump. >> you know that country very well. you know the people there very well. what have they been saying? what have they been writing about donald trump over the past year? >> well, i think your set-up should give listeners, or viewers some sense of the reaction to being characterized as rapist and criminal. this is a great country with

millions of wonderful people and you can imagine, being a punch line for a political candidate, certainly a neighbor and a long-time trading partner and friend of the united states, doesn't feel good. so the reaction has been harsh. you saw president fox's reaction, and i think in some respects, he summed it up. what i was struck by this morning and thinking about this is that both individuals share an objective. and that's to change the discussion of the last few weeks. president pena nieto has very poor approval ratings. security corruption and violence are the prevailing narrative for mr. trump, the discussion about his, you know, movement or flip-flopping on imbracing. they both like to be talking about something else and secondly he'd like to look presidential. and for pena nieto, the low

approval ratings he has. he'd like to look presidential as well. >> what do they both have to lose? >> well, you know, in a sense i think right now you have to give slight advantage to trump because of the element of surprise and controlling a bit in terms of the agenda coming into this. for president pena nieto, i think the risk is much higher given his low approval ratings and the inability to control the messaging coming out of the trump campaign. for president pena nieto to be victorious, if you will, to ce out the winner today, donald trump would have to completely move away from his position on the wall which is unlikely and completely away from his position on the deportation of 11, 12 million undocumented people in the united states which is very unlikely. so i think -- i think the risks were greater on president pena nieto, but to his credit, once he extended the invitation to both candidates, he honored it. >> you do have to scratch your

head at the meeting because again, you've got the president of mexico who back in march referred to donald trump's rise or said it was akin to the rise of musa leeny, akin to the rise of hitler, and we've just played some of what trump has said about the people of mexico. go ahead, mr. ambassador -- >> go ahead, your question please. >> what do we suspect that the president of mexico is going to say to donald trump? >> well, i think the only way they can both be relatively -- look relatively good coming out of this is if they manage tone, if they diplomatically lay down their markers, if they -- they sort of grin and go on and get this behind them. i think from president pena nieto's position that would be the best as a sitting president.

frpt perspective of a candidate trump, i think you can anticipate a bit more bombast than that. so listen, ultimately, this is presidential theater. whether it's ultimately farce, comedy, or something that should be taken seriously, that's still to be determined. >> or perhaps a mix of all of the above to a certain extent. >> certainly that. >> mr. ambassador, thank you so much for your time. antonio garza, ambassador to mexico for a number of years. thanks so much, sir. we'd like to check in with you tomorrow if you have some time. >> you bet, look forward to it. i'm joined now bethis woman. she's a dreamer. she's also the latino outreach director for the clinton campaign. we should note that for the purposes of this conversation.

what did you think when you heard that donald trump decided to visit our neighbors to the south today? >> i think for one second i thought why? why is this happening? it's interesting that it's happening. and then i immediately remembered, well, donald trump is used to doing this throughout his campaign. he's used to looking for opportunities to try to distract from what's really happening and what's really weighing down on his campaign. and the truth is he spent the last 14 months talking about how to round up and deport 16 million people from the united states. 11 million undocumented immigrants, five million u.s.-born children to parents of undocumented immigrants. he's talked about putting dreamers on a path to deportation. and hillary clinton has talked about putting dreamers on a path to citizenship. and so i think this is a moment for his campaign where he's a lit scattered, but we know who he is, we know who donald trump is. we're not afraid to take him on head on and this is not going to be a moment where he can get to distract us from really what's been at the center of his campaign from day one.

>> let's fast forward a few hours here after the meeting in mexico again. he is going to hop the plane and take it to phoenix for that speech tonight. my understanding is that you're from peru. you've lived here in this country without legal status until a few years ago. you now have a green card. he has called, as you noted there called for deporting millions of undocumented immigrants. what do you want to hear from donald trump in arizona tonight? >> frankly, i don't want to hear anything from donald trump. it would be good to understand how he plans to deport 16 million people from the united states. and i think a place like arizona, state like arizona is very familiar when people make these attempts and put forward dangerous proposals and so what we saw in arizona and sb 1070 was an attempt to racially profile latinos to go after people who looked different and to, you know, proposal that would have had -- would have requested people, made mandatory that you carry around your

papers to show whether or not you're a lawfully resident of the united states. i have not heard how donald trump pretends to do what he wants to do and what he set forward, but one thing we do know, at every moment, every time that he's had an opportunity to talk about immigration, which he's done for the last 14 months. it has been to demonize and criminalize the undocumented community and he's gone furts than that. he has talked about taking away citizenship from kids who are born in the united states. he's gone further than that and the judge, who is mexican, of mexican heritage but born in indiana. he's gone beyond that and said mexico's not sending their best, they're sending rapists and criminals. so i don't think he can come back from this. we know who he is. american voters know who he is. latinos are watching him. they've been watching him from day one. and there is there isn't anything he can do at this point to change that. and the last time he was in arizona, if i recall correctly, just in the same way that he did at the republican national convention, was using a

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in. you spent some time patrolling with federal agents. there's no wall or fence, what'd they have to say to you there? >> reporter: and that's exactly right, craig. so a along the border wall with mexico, along the border i should say, there is a great deal of coverage with a wall or with the border patrol calls a fence. there are spots along our southern board we are mexico where it doesn't exist and that has become a central focus of donald trump's campaign. he says we're going to build a great border wall on the southern board we are mexico and mexico is going to pay for it, but we wanted to get an idea of what was really going on here on the border. and whether or not the border patrol agreed with donald trump's assessment and here's what we found. >> it's a double fence. >> a double fence. primary fence main purpose is to stop the vehicle flow from entering into the united states. >> reporter: and so this is a secondary? >> yes, the second dare sfens used to defer illegal migrants

fromming into into the united states. >> reporter: there are nine sectors of the border patrol along mexico. and each has it's own topography, length, and challenges. of the 1,989 total miles of border we share with mexico, some type of fencing protects 702 miles. agents will tell you, where there's a border, wall or not, some people try to cross it. look, there are people sticking their heads over right there. >> that's it. these are what we call the scouters. smugglers. >> reporter: you're sure their scouting out. >> more than likely, they are, yes. >> reporter: so this point right here, is the end of the border fence. >> of the primary fence, yes. that's mexico on the other side. >> reporter: that's mexico. >> yes, correct. >> reporter: u.s., mexico. >> yes. >> reporter: you can do what you do without the need to extend the fence here. >> correct, correct. as you can see up on top of the mountain, we have two border patrol agents, patrol constantly day and night.

>> reporter: last year, agents caught 26,290 people trying to cross illegally in the sector. sounds high, but thanks to increased enforcement, including fencing, but also more technology and manpower, when you compare it to the all-time high of almost 630,000 in 1986, apprehensions here and across the country are near all-time lows. in 1986, the border patrol caught over 1.6 million people. the most ever. last year that number was just over 330,000. i can see people watching this at home and say jacob is standing where there's no border fence. that's why we need a donald trump border wall, that stretches across the country. >> we manage with what we have now. it works perfectly for us. >> reporter: these are your guys too, huh? >> yeah, that was beautiful. >> reporter: craig, one of the

things to think about is where illegal activity happens along the border. and that's what the border patrol encouraged know look at when i was down here. oftentimes when we talk about drug smuggling or illegal activity, it's not people crossing in areas necessarily where there isn't a wall or where there is a wall, a lot of the drug smuggling will happen under where there is a wall or through legal ports of entry like the port of entry just on the other side in the tijuana area. when it comes to building a border wall, it's not always about having that physical inpenetrable barrier on top of the service, it's about the technology, the infrastructure, and about the manpower all combined to stop illegal activity from going along our border. and i want to say quickly, craig, i know there's a complicated issue and we want to talk further about it. so after i hop off with you, i'm going to hop on to facebook live on msnbc on facebook and will be answering any questions that folks might have out there. >> jacob soboroff, along the u.s.-mexico border. i'll let you go so you can get

on the interwebs there. speaking of the interwebs, let's take a look at your responses to today's microsoft pulse question. there's the question, former mexican president fox saying donald trump not welcome here. should he be making the trip? that was the question, the response is, so far, a bit lopsided. 97% of you logging on to say no, you can continue voting, it's free, pulse.msnbc.com, we'll be right back. ♪ [engine revs] ♪ [cheering] ♪ the highly advanced audi a4. ♪

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i declare i'm not going to pay for that [ bleep ] wall. he should pay for it. >> mexican people, we are not going to pay any single cent for such a stupid wall. it's completely useless. >> the past two presidents of

mexico saying that they likely won't be paying for a wall as we wait for donald trump to arrive in that country. let's bring in the president and ceo of the u.s. hispanic chamber of kmerz commerce. he's become quite the quest. >> thank you for having me back. >> you represent 4 million hispanic-owned businesses. what are they saying to you about this meeting, about donald trump's relationship with mexico, what are you hearing? >> let's harken back to just last week when you and i last talked. we talked about donald trump's then desperate move to try to woo the hispanic community here. evidently, he has to go abroad to find any hispanics who will listen to him. it's not going change anything with regard to who we need to hear our presidential candidates. our firms want to hear about solid plans and policies that are going to grow the economy,

allow us to continue to hire more americans and grow our businesses. this is a publicity stunt. it doesn't do anybody any good. look at what hillary clinton is doing. he's in a swing state talking to american veterans. that's what we need presidential candidates earning the vote. >> trump is supposed to be there in cincinnati as well tomorrow to address the american legion group. we have been told by surrogates and the trump campaign he's been on a listening tour of sorts with hispanic voters. do you think that it's possible that perhaps he has had a change of heart. that maybe during the course of these meetings he's said in that fox town hall that some folks that said to him, mr. trump, we like your ideas, but that's too harsh. you don't think there's been a change of heart? >> i can only tell you what i know. a year ago tomorrow nifs this city. i met with donald trump permly. i cautioned him at that time a about the rhetoric he was using,

denouncing the hispanic community and mexico. he doubled down on that rhetoric for the last 12 months. the reality of it is i think it's just way too little and way too late. it's not going to change anything. you can't unring that bell. not only with the hispanic community, with the african-american community, women, muslim community. it really runs the gam et, but he began his political career denouncing mexico, denouncing immigrants and denigrating the hispanic community here in america. >> how surprised were you last night? >> i was very surprised. along with the rest of the world. the people in mexico city do not elect an american president. americans elected american president. he should be here talking to the hispanic people in the united states as well as concerned citizens all over this country. >> let's fast forward to the speech in phoenix, arizona. he's expected to clear up confusion regarding the immigration policies. what do you want to hear from

donald trump tonight? >> short of an apology, a full-throated apology to the american people. there's nothing else i think we need to hear from donald trump. with the rest of america will be watching. . it's another opportunity for him to clear it up a little bit. but frankly, as i have said all along and saying for a year, it's too little too late. a publicity stunt in mexico city, i don't believe it's going to make a significant change. for his potential to reach the white house. >> we should note here he did stop distoshort of an apology. he said he regretted some of the hurtful language or folks hurt by that that didn't suffice. >> not at all. he came close to apologizing. there's room for growth with donald trump. i would say that he's about 40 years too late. if you look at hillary clinton more than 40 years ago, she was

in south texas where i'm from registering hispanics to learn how to vote over her career she's worked with the african-american community, hispanic community, women. this is an individual that wants to engage hispanic voices in her campaign where donald trump has been divisive in it his character and his behavior. >> president and ceo of the hispanic chamber, thank you for coming on. the invitation it is always there. we'll be right back. still using tampons and pads?

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donald trump is expected in mexico to meet with the president. the last-minute trip is a political gamble for both men and could change the rhetoric about mexicans and immigration. hillary clinton certainly doesn't think so. >> it certainly takes more than try iing to make up for a year insults and insinuations by dropping in on our neighbors for a few hours and then fly iing he again. that's not how it works. >> so one thing is for sure that all this is only adding to the drama surrounding that big speech that trump will give tonight. a detailed immigration policy as promised. campaign officials say all will be revealed this evening. >> typical politicians will tell you the sound byte now specifics a the a time to be determined. it'sery presidential to go and lay out those policies ahead of time. >> there will be no path to legalization or citizenship. people will need to leave the