then, later, the fiery donald trump that his supporters know and love. >> build a great wall along the southern border. and mexico will pay for the wall. they don't know it yet, but they're going to pay for the wall. >> and after not mentioning it himself for nearly a year, the deportation force appears to be back. >> i am going to create a new special deportation task force focused on identifying and quickly removing the most dangerous criminal illegal immigrants in america who have evaded justice. >> the best political team in the business has been working the phones, talking to sources all morning. we start with katy tur, traveling with trump in ohio. katie, there was a choice last night. use the speech to try and shore up the base, or use that speech to try and broaden the base in a

choice the campaign has decided to make is abun danltly clear. some of mr. trump's hispanic advisers none too happy this morning. let's start with that fresh new reporting you have. >> reporter: yeah. so basically, advisers have been trying to adjust trump's image, trying to make him more appealing to moderate voters, to minority voters, hispanics and african-americans. and that's why you've seen so much outreach, if you could call it outreach w messaging on the campaign trail directed towards those communities. also why you've started to see trump on a teleprompter. yesterday in mexico, sources telling hallie jackson they believe this was going to be a game-changer for donald trump, meeting with the mexican president. my sources said this was going to allow him to look more presidential. look like sob who could croacro the aisle or border he's been at odds with. that's what they believed would say going to make moderates like donald trump a little bit better. i feel more comfortable with him. but then last night when he had that immigration speech in arizona, he was back to his

hard-line rhetoric. you could almost see donald trump trying to have his cake and eat it too. trying to be the moderate, the more appealing candidate that we see at rallies lately we just saw here at the american legion, we saw in mexico. but then the one that still is truthful to his base, somebody who retains the red meat rhetoric he used during the primary on immigration, deportation forces, building an impenetrable wall, we heard him talk about that last night in a way that made the week before kind of an anomaly. the idea he might have been softening his image on immigration, trying to find a way to work with those that in this country who have not committed a crime outside of crossing the border in order to get them some sort of status. there is no legalization status, according to trump right now. there is no path to amnesty. so the idea that he was trying to change his ways is now falling on deaf ears. >> katy, we know that mass

deportations is something back on the table, based on the speech last night. what are some of the outstanding questions, if you will? >> reporter: well, one is how would he do that? he says he wants to triple the number of i.c.e. agents, he wants to create, as you said, a deportation force, how is he exactly going to be able to locate all 11 million undocumented immigrants in this country, or more, if there are more? and get them out of the country. and how is he going to do that in what he is calling a humane way. he has not actually given a concrete plan about how this would go. all he does say, craig, is that it will be done in a fair and humane way. also, when it comes to the wall, he says repeatedly that mexico is going to pay for it. it's unclear how he intends to get mexico to pay for it in the past. he said he would raise visa fees, he would stop all remittances to mexico. but it's not clear how that would fund an entire wall. also, building the wall. there is a lot of logistical

obstacles that go into that border. are property owners going to allow him to build a wall? there is ecological restrictions down there, environmental restrictions. how does he pass that for what could be a divided congress. there are a lot of issues on how he would make his big promises, how he would put them into action. so we saw a lot of big promises last night. we saw a lot of big promises again today, talking about how he would fix the v.a. and allow american veterans to see private doctors. but still very little information about how he would get his proposal put into action. and then when it comes to how he's going to be able to find a way to reach across the aisle to more moderate voters, reach across to hispanics, to african-american voters, we're still waiting to see how he is going to do that. we're waiting to find out details about his trip to detroit this weekend. what exactly that is going to look like. but we do know that so far that immigration speech last night is

not appealing to many hispanic voters, including some of those who were on donald trump's own hispanic advisory board. >> katy tur for us there in cincinnati, ohio. katy, thanks. we'll come back to you later. part of trump's ten-point plan last night includes an elaborate vetting process for people trying to enter this country. >> applicants will be asked for their views about honor killings. about respect for women and gyse and minorities. attitudes on radical islam, which our president refuses to say and many other topics as part of this vetting procedure. >> msnbc's chief legal correspondent, ari mediclbourne here. >> the precedence which we have looked at are actually rather ominous. germany tried this with regard to muslim celebrants a few years

ago. if you go back further in time, you've had times where you've had quotas based on religion or views, generally highly disfavored. the larger point is one we have been discussing now for several days. we now have the speech, we have the ten-point plan, we have a little more detail than before. this is very expensive, and there's no budgeting for it. so i sort of feel like donald trump is hitting the ditty test. he famously said, don't worry if i write rhymes, i write checks. the point being he was very wealthy and could back up what he was doing with his funds. the question here beyond just the ideology, can the united states, the taxpayers, write the checks for these plans. so on the vetting which you asked about, there were 189 million total entries into the united states last year, according to customs as reported to us by nbc news, okay? $189 million. the type of vetting that he's talking about, craig, individual questioning by line agents, would cost untold, tens if not

hundreds of billions of dollars. even if it is in theory a possibility people like, the question has to be, just like universal college, which bernie sanders was criticized for is expensive, the question has to be, can you write the checks for it. >> we're going at that buck that with the trump campaign surrogate. we need to get to breaking news from the campaign trail. regarding donald trump. nbc's kelly o'donnell has it for us. what can you tell us? >> reporter: well, craig, some new developments today. we have just seen donald trump on the world stage meeting with foreign leader, talking about his plan and nbc news can report that donald trump will receive a second intelligence briefing tomorrow in new york. this kind of insight about some of the affairs of the world, the trouble spots, the intelligence that a national candidate would need to know will happen again tomorrow. now, this is a privilege given to both candidates. hillary clinton also had a briefing, of course, with her background as secretary of state. many of those topics are more familiar ground to her, perhaps.

but for donald trump, this will be a chance to again sit across the table, presumably from a team of professionals in the intelligence community. who can brief him on topics about hot spots and issues all around the globe. this is something that is provided as a part of the transfer of power. it's in the law, and it's also part of tradition. the white house has been able to arrange this. i've learned from government sources that this is something that is being afforded to trump as it would be any other candidate, and he is taking advantage of the opportunity to have a second briefing. historically, i've done some reporting on the numbers of briefings that past nominees have had, and it has varied from one to about four or five, depending on their desire to learn about issues and some of the conditions in the world as it stands. he is granted a level of top secret clearance because he is the nominee of his party and, of course, there is a very high priority that nothing discussed

inside a briefing like this could ever be talked about publicly. at the same time, intelligence professionals will say that what is briefed in a session like this is not sources and methods and the deepest secrets of the u.s. government. but it is sort of a policy view in terms of what the intelligence community in different departments understands about hot spots in the world. so this is new. we're bringing it to you now here on msnbc, that donald trump will receive a second intelligence briefing at a secure facility in new york city tomorrow. >> quick follow up. we know that chris christie was one of the folks in the room with mr. trump for the briefing. do we know who might be in the room with him for this briefing? and to do we know whether this briefing is -- go ahead. >> reporter: no, go ahead, finish your question. >> i was going to say, do we know whether or how this briefing is going to be different from the first one? >> reporter: we don't know how it will be different. what we can tell you is, based

on our reporting, candidates are able to have a number of briefings that can be worked out between their interest and what the office of the director of national intelligence can provide. the director himself doesn't participate. these are topic experts on different hot spots around the globe, the different geopolitical issues that matter to u.s. relations. so each candidate is permitted to have top aides who also have security clearance attend these briefings, general flynn has been a military expert, and a national security analyst for donald trump. he, of course, had served in defense intelligence. he would likely be there, as well. hillary clinton chose not to have any staff when she had her intelligence briefing. this is an opportunity to learn more, but because of the secret nature of it, what exactly will be talked about or how it might be different from his first briefing is just not known. craig? >> kelly o'donnell, breaking news this morning from

scottsdale, arizona, it telling us that donald trump will be receiving his second intelligence briefing tomorrow here in new york city. at an undisclosed but secure site. kelly, o., thanks as always for that. let's get to californhallie jac arizona for that speech last night. she is there again for us this morning. let's talk about trump's up and down day wednesday. if you're a fly on the wall of a meeting between donald trump and his closest advisers this morning, what are they talking about? >> reporter: i never wanted to be a bug before, craig. but i tell you, if i were a flay flow, this is exactly where i would want to be. listen, trump's allies are pleased with how yesterday went, i believe. you can talk about his fiery tone on immigration that. is something that, for example, steve bannon, his policy adviser, steven miller, you heard tones of jeff sessions in there, too. i've been told kellyanne conway was in the mix draft crafting this speech.

donald trump putting the final touches on it. they seemed pleased. i was told they were also pleased with this trip to mexico. bannan had hoped it would be a game-changer for trump. the most striking thing about the last 24 hours, craig, has been these two types of trump that we have seen. tough guy in phoenix, softer tone with president pena nieto in mexico city. he is kind of pushing a more moderate tone. interestingly, he was on laura ingram's radio show and she asked him about a softening. and he said oh, there has been a softening. we didn't hear the softening at his major immigration speech. the one where he would dive into these policy details and reveal his plan for how to deal with the illegal immigration and legal immigration in this country. so as we look forward to the day, let's see how it unfolds. >> hallie jackson, thank you. janet mer geea, president and ceo of the national council

of loraza, thank you so much for joining me this morning. earlier this week, you wrote in "the hill" and i'm going to quote a piece of what you wrote here. quote, it is evident that something is happening with the trump campaign on the issue of immigration, but we, like everyone else, have no idea what that is. we heard from trump twice yesterday, once in mexico, once in arizona. do you have a clearer idea of where he stands, at least? >> yes, i think we do now have a clearer idea. and i think while the trip to mexico, the visit meeting with mexican president pena nieto was an effort, perhaps to soften his image, what we heard last night in his speech was loud and clear. and there was no pivot, no softening. what we heard was a doubling down on the extreme nativism that he has used and his campaign has used to launch his

campaign, the extreme nativism rhetoric we heard throughout the primaries, and even through the republican convention. >> let's talk about some of the proposals outlined in this ten-point plan. among them, building the wall, deporting undocumented immigrants, ending catch and release, as well. the -- we should note, deporting undocumented immigrants who are criminals, especially more deportation officers, screening tests for those want to go come into the country. something we just talked about. on this catch and release, the proposed policy of requiring immigrants caught committing crimes, requiring they be held until deportation instead of being released to await hearings. what's wrong with that? >> look, there is nothing wrong with that. in fact, i would say that his speech last night did have a lot of distortions, falsehoods and dog whistles. and, in fact, catch and release is no longer the policy of the u.s. we all agree. and there is broad consensus

across this country that serious criminals and anyone with an unauthorized status that would pose a serious threat or any threat to our public safety or national security should be the top priority for expulsion and deportation. no question. there's not really anybody who would defend that. and so for us, the real question becomes, what do you do with those 11 million, those who are not in any way, shape or form a threat to our national security or public safety. and his answer on that was loud and clear. >> but if they came -- >> no one will be immune from deportation. >> but if they came into the country illegally, if they came into this country illegally, why should they not be deported, especially if they're not dreamers -- if you broke the law, why should you not be deported? >> no -- we're saying that -- and you mentioned dreamers.

but he last night said, he would deport dreamers, by removing the president's executive action that currently gives them protected status. trump has said very clearly, no one is immune from enforcement or deportation. and i'm telling you that there is a policy right now that president obama has embraced as of november of 2014, it's called prosecutorial discretion. and it allows our enforcement authorities to prioritize those individuals who are criminals and who pose a threat to our safety and our security to be deported. that is the policy. but you wouldn't know that from hearing trump last night, because there was a lot of distortion and falsehoods and rhetoric in there that i think he was using purposely. but obfuscating the fact that we are in a net zero migration mode

right now from mexico to the u.s. we have not seen the dramatic increase influx of migrants from mexico, and we know that our national criminal statistics show there has been a decline in -- and there is no correlation between immigrants and unauthorized immigrants and the crime rates ticking up in communities. it's exactly the opposite. so there was a lot of distortion last night by donald trump, but more importantly, i think the division between the latino community and what we heard from trump last night is beyond policy or proposals and substance that he put out there, is division there. but it's the way that he's talked about it. the infusion of his proposals with bigotry and intolerance. that has dug him in a hole with the latino community that's going to be very difficult for him to dig out of.

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we have been hearing that number for years. it's always 11 million. our government has no idea.

it could be 3 million, it could be 30 million. they have no idea what the number is. >> no idea. donald trump last night in his high-profile immigration speech there in arizona, questioning the widely accepted estimates on undocumented immigrants living in this country. here to separate fact from fiction, the nonpartisan unbiased politifact editor, angie hoi it t. thank you so much for coming in. did you rate that statement from donald trump, fact, fiction, pants on fire? >> we have rated this statement. it's rated pants on fire. it seems to be 30 million number -- we don't know where he gets it, it seems to be made up, he talked about the federal government not knowing. well, the census, the u.s. census comes up with estimates for undocumented immigrants. and demographers at independent think tanks, research institutions, also look at those numbers very carefully. nobody supports that 30 million number. that's wildly inflated.

so on that he's wrong on the facts. >> he took aim at what he calls open borders on our next clip. here it is. >> president obama and hillary clinton -- [ booing ] -- have engaged in gross dereliction of duty by surrendering the safety of the american people to open borders. >> how did politifact rate that statement? >> we have rated this one false. open borders implies people can come and go relatively freely. obama and clinton, neither of them support open borders. we saw a rampup of border patrol agents during the george w. bush administration. that continued under the obama administration. and both obama and clinton have supported different measures that would increase funding for border security. so that statement is inaccurate. >> i think we have time for one more here. donald trump talking about temporary visas here.

>> approximately half of new illegal immigrants came on temporary visas and then never, ever left. why should they? nobody is telling them to leave. stay as long as you want. we'll take care of you. >> how did your fact-checkers rate that one? >> this one is mostly true. now we have rated it mostly true, because the data we have is somewhat old. it's from the 1990s. but we don't see any reason why it would have changed. people come on student visas, tourist visas, they fly in, and then they just stay. so on that one, he's on firmer ground. >> all right. angie, politifact, pulitzer-prize winning politifact. we always like to note that. thank you so much for coming on again. we hope to see you soon after a major speech. sara huckabee, sanders' senior adviser to the trump campaign. thank you so much for being with me this morning. let's start with where we just left off there. i want to get your reaction to politifact giving donald trump a

pants on fire for claiming that there could be some 30 million undocumented immigrants in this country. why does he keep using that figure? if we know that it's not true? >> look, i think his point was that it's not an exact science. we don't know exactly. he said there could be 3, there could be 30. >> that's triple the number! he said 30! it's 11! it's not like he's saying close to 15. he's saying nearly three times. and he continues to do it. so why? >> i think the big issue is that we have illegal immigrants here at all. that's his point, that we have to deal with this problem. it's continued to grow, because the past administration hasn't done anything to fix it. and so we've got to make big changes, big advancements in securing our border. and that has to be the big focus. i think that's his point, is just drawing attention to the millions that are here, whether it's 3, whether it's 11, whether it's 30, it's a problem we have to deal with it and he's the

only one that's got to deal with that. >> i don't know why we can't draw the contrast, using accurate figures. i don't know why we have to, you know, exaggerate and use hyperbole. let's move. donald trump accusing hillary clinton, open borders. politifact rating that as false and saying, quote, in fact, the number of border agents has more than tripled in the past 20 years. spending on border security has also tripled since 2001. why is there never an acknowledgment of those figures in these speeches at the rallies? >> because it hasn't been enough to make the changes that we need. we still have a growing problem, the number of crime incidents has raised, and they have support for sanctuary cities that are magnets for drawing in illegal immigrants. they haven't done anything to secure the po border, which is e number one problem for ljs. that's why he's pointing out that obama and clinton and their policies have been total failures. maybe they have increased border

agents, but that hasn't stopped the problem, that hasn't made things better. donald trump has a plan to do that, and that's his point and what he's saying there. >> tripling the number of officers. tripling the number of immigration offices, building this gigantic wall, maintaining the wall. how is president trump going to pay for that 10-point plan he outlined last night? we haven't heard any details about that. >> well, i think he's going to talk about that more in the coming days. one start would be starting to tax some of the billions and billions and billions of dollars that illegal immigrants are sending back to mexico every day. you're going to hear more from donald trump on how we'll fund this. the biggest point is, it has to be done. and we have to secure the border. we cannot allow this to continue, and to just go completely unaddressed as the past administration has done over the last eight years. and as hillary clinton would continue to do if she were elected. >> sarah, you have been around politics a long time. that speech we heard in arizona

last night, that was not a build-your-base speech. that was a ton of throwing a bunch of red meat to folks who are going to vote for him anyway. are we at all concerned that donald trump is not going to be able to win over enough of the latino vote? enough of the minority vote in general to become president of the united states with speeches like that? >> i don't think so at all. i think that the american people are sick and tired of the status quo, even in the minority community, things haven't gotten better under president obama. and if people want to continue with the status quo, and they want to keep what's been happening, crime rates going up in inner cities, unemployment rates going up, then i think i think they can stick with hillary clinton. >> i know we're out of time and i want to take issue with two things you just said there, because they're factually inaccurate. number one, the african-american community employment is lower under president obama. and number two, the minority

communities ten years ago is patently false. it's just not true, so why do you guys keep saying it? >> well, it hasn't gotten any better. it's continued to be a major problem. i mean, the number of murders that took place in chicago just this year already is staggering, and if people don't think that's a problem that we should be addressing and that we shouldn't have a greater demand for law and order in this country, then that is a real problem. things have certainly not improved under obama. and we can't expect with the same continued failed policies under hillary clinton that anything would change. so i can't imagine why we would want to continue on this course and not make a major course change under a president trump that would help all americans to have greater opportunity, whether it's in education, jobs, and frankly, just keep our country safe, which this president has failed to do and hillary clinton would continue those same failed policies, so we cannot expect anything different under her. >> sarah huckabee-sanders, i

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former rnc press secretary. republican leaders have appeared to be muted on the trip to mexico yesterday on the speech in arizona. why the silence? >> well, i actually think the trip to mexico yesterday was a high point for trump's campaign. i think he looked very good on that stage. looked like a president. i think it was probably the best moment of his campaign so far. and, of course, he followed that with the trip to arizona, which was very different, where he was speaking to his base, trying to get republicans fired up about his candidacy. he realizes, i think, he does not have enough republican support now to win the white house. only about 80 or 85% of republicans supporting him. he really needs to get that number north of 90% if he's going to be competitive this fall. i think that's a lot of what he was trying to do last night. >> again, we haven't heard from the senate majority leader, we haven't heard from the house speaker. why is that? i mean, the silences have been deafening. we had the republican nominee for president take his first

trip to meet with head of state and that major policy speech last night, and this morning crickets. >> look, i know that speaker ryan is very much focused on keeping the house. >> oh, it's a -- it takes two or three minutes. >> i can't speak for them. all i can say is that trump is a different kind of republican, running a different kind of campaign and ultimately he will be successful or not successful on his own merits. this isn't about, you know, the other people in the party or leaders in congress. this is about trump. and the case he is making to the american people and the case he is making to republicans. he still needs to earn a lot of republican support, as i said, only about 80, 85% of republican voters are currently supporting him. that's not going to do it for him this fall. why he's losing in states like virginia, north carolina, and even georgia are competitive because he's underperforming with republicans. i think last night's speech was probably helpful in that regard. >> some of trump's more extreme

supporters did voice their support for that speech in arizona last night. david duke, former high-ranking member of the ku klux clan calling trump's speech, quote, slept. in a tweet. as we get closer closer to election day, how does the party work to separate the extreme supporters from the party itself? >> every republican later in the country has been clear that there is no place in our party for people like david duke. and there should be no question about that. i think it's sort of a disservice for msnbc to put that up as though this is what republicans are saying, because he's not a republican. >> i didn't say this is what republicans are saying. i have had david duke, former high-ranking member of the kkk. i didn't say he was a republican. >> fair enough. but i think it's important to -- that republicans as a whole disassociate themselves from people like him and him. because he's not representative of what the republican party is all about. he's not representative, frankly, of what trump is all about. i think trump and his campaign

has been clear to disavow david duke in the past. >> alex, when is your former boss going to endorse? >> well, he has. marco is supporting donald trump, and donald trump is supporting marco in florida. you know, during the campaign when marco was running for president, he said he was going to support the republican nominee and once trump won the nomination, he said he would stand by his pledge and support the nominee. >> alex conen, thank you for your time, sir. >> thank you. did donald trump reinforce a rhetorical wall he has been building for months? we are live in mexico city, next. ♪ [engine revs] ♪ [cheering] ♪

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yesterday. when we had that conversation yesterday, you said that both president nieto and president trump will using this as an opportunity to change, mr. trump to look more presidential. did he succeed? >> i think there was a moment yesterday afternoon where both had had the opportunity, and certainly mr. trump appeared to approach that and use it jointly and spoke about trade and immigration, suggesting a more nuanced, temper at view of the issues. by the end of the day, certainly reverted to form. so i think in mr. trump, you could use a head fake, not a pivot. pena nieto was met with why disdain in the country yesterday morning, why they realized it had been extended and quite frankly, real anger in the wake of that press conference, because it was a sense that he had not represented well the

mexican interests, that he had not clearly laid down his markers as it relates to mr. trump's position on trade, immigration and some of the harsh language he used throughout the primary. so i would say for about 45 minutes yesterday afternoon, they were accomplishing their objectives. their second was to appear presidential and i think mr. trump got close. by the end of the day, i think he had moved away from that, given the tone of last night's speech, and certainly pena nieto, i can't imagine his approval ratings are any better than the 23 percent he had at this time yesterday. >> one of the things confusing for a lot of folks, this wall. donald trump saying who would pay for his proposed wall was not discussed. president nieto saying he made it abundantly clear at the start of the meeting he would not be paying for the wall.

what's your take on these statements? >> that's a different one to tease out. my best take on it, president pena nieto said no, we're not going to pay for the wall and from trump saying we're going to moesht it. and in that sense, giving the most favorable rating to each. obviously, i can't imagine the president didn't raise it and donald trump may have misheard that. in the wake of the press conference, where they appeared to at least recognize there were a shared group of interests and immediately go into no, you're lying, no, the other one is lying, i don't think on the balance it served either one of their interests particularly well. >> all right. ambassador, thank you so much. i appreciate you coming back on with me. we hope that we can call on you from time to time down there in mexico. our new mexico city bureau chief, ambassador antonio garza,

thank you. jacob rascon in mexico city, what have you learned about the apparent contradiction and what was discussed there regarding the wall? >> reporter: in fact, we now know -- this is through another paper here, the mexican president spokesperson told "the wall street journal", what happened was that the president said, in fact, we will not pay for the wall right at the beginning. and that trump didn't respond, and so that technically, trump wasn't lying, because there was no discussion about it. that pena nieto simply stated it and they moved on to something else. i want to point out, too, in the mexican papers, a lot of them say about the same thing. this one says, "the wall will go up, says trump, but pena nieto says the policies are a threat." the exact quote is that after trump left that pena nieto had an interview with one of the local mexican tv networks and he said, some of trump's positions do represent a threat to the

future of mexico. you didn't hear that during the press conference, of course. but once he left, he, again, as we know, tweeted about not paying for the wall, and then he said some of trump's positions represent a threat. we talked to a lot of the people in members co city mexico city, asked what do you think of trump visiting here. and they all expressed either confusion, shock or anger. some say they were sad. really, the way they described it almost as if trump to them was a character far away that said ugly things about mexico. but for him to be here, a change for some people. made it more real. they were genuinely, a lot of them, either disturbed or shocked or confused and they expressed all of that to us, and i'll end with this. one of the opinions in the local papers said, "one way to explain the meeting between trump and the president here was a meeting between two desperate politicians." we know that both, their

unfavorables are dismal. craig? >> jacob rascon for us there, it sounds as if we saw and heard a different donald trump. and based on your reporting, a different president nieto. nieto, as well, there, in mexico. we are keeping a very close eye on warren, ohio, where vice president joe biden is on the ground, rallying auto workers there, expected to deliver remarks any moment now from that podium there. we'll keep a close eye and close ear on warren, ohio. will he respond to donald trump's attacks on hillary clinton last night, including his threat to lump her in with dangerous criminals that he plans to deport? this is msnbc, the place for politics. we've just been hearing so much about how you're a digital company, yet here you are building a jet engine. well, ge is digital and industrial. like peanut butter and jelly. yeah. ham and cheese.

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>> it just shows that you can't -- you can't talk out of both sides of your mouth. and if he gets in that room and he doesn't bring up the obvious issue, that shows, i think, kind of an embarrassing amateur hour quality to the trip. >> reporter: tim kaine, of course, talking about who exactly would pay for the wall. there's now, of course, a dispute with mexico's president saying that he insisted and told donald trump that mexico would not be paying for that wall. trump, of course, at his rally just hours later, last night, saying, of course, that mexico would pay for it. >> kasie hunt for us in ohio. covering the clinton campaign. kasie, thank you. coming up here, the first hurricane warning for the state of florida in four years. plus, the storm's wide-reaching cone of uncertainty and what it means for your labor day plans, whether you live in florida or not. h presents itself? our new cocktail bitters were doing well, but after one tradeshow, we took off. all i could think about was our deadlines racing towards us.

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