the 5:00 p.m. update just released. maximum sustained wind clocking in at 75 miles an hour. they are warning people to prepare for a life-threatening land surge. hermine should be back to the east coast over the weekend. that does it for this hour. i'm steve kornacki. i'll be back for the rachel maddow show. but first, "mtp daily" starts now. >> if it's thursday, donald trump crossed the border then crossed the line, for some inside his own campaign. tonight, the tale of two trumps. >> we didn't discuss that. we didn't discuss who pays for the wall. we didn't discuss. >> mexico will pay for the wall. >> this is just the beginning of the negotiation. >> and final straw for some trump insiders plus a kplat calculated risk. >> if hillary clinton is elected president -- >> and later digging into what

is behind clinton's shifting poll position. this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. >> and good evening. welcome to "mtp daily." it's been 36 hours of whiplash on the trump trail after a dizzying series of remarks on immigration. trump's base is fired up. they see a candidacy revived. but some of trump's advisors see a sham. the political world is still trying to sort it all out off signalling softening on immigration trump struck a cordial tone in mexico city when meeting with the president then add raw speech in arizona that has some of his own latino advisors jumping ship. it's been a tale of two trumps. >> first, second, third generation mexicans are just

beyond reproach. zero tolerance for criminal aliens. zero. zero. we all share a common interest in keeping our hemisphere safe, prosperous and free. >> extreme vetting. i want extreme. it is going to be so tough. >> the bond between our two country says deep and sincere. >> we will build a great wall along the southern border. >> we didn't discuss who pays for the wall. and mexico will pay for the wall. >> today trump doubled down on hard line rhetoric in ohio. take a listen. >> we will build a wall. mexico will pay for the wall. we will stop drugges from coming in. >> our yeouth is being poisoned. people are being poisoned. we will get it stopped quickly if i win. quickly.

>> trump's change of tone has been unsettling for advisors. some say a scam, otheres say they feel used. and last night saying trump's hard line policy was put together with one voting block in mind, white men. >> if you look at the polling data, he has about an 18-point lead with white males voting in this election. this speech is geared at those individuals to make sure that they are there. he locked them in for the election. >> i'm joined now by nbc's katy tur with the trump campaign in the big battle ground state of ohio. katy, how concerned is the trump campaign about this potential exodus of hispanic advisors internally and in terms of the optics of this? >> if they are concerned, they aren't showing it right now. it has it cause concern especially since there is an

acknowledgement from aides that donald trump needed to eye just his image, needed to change going forward in order to appeal to minority voters including hispanics and moderate voters even moderate republican women voters. so they had been on an effort to do that now for the past few weeks, putting donald trump on a teleprompter, trying to tailor his message more towards minority communities, towards women. but then last night as he came out with that very fiery immigration speech, one that very much appealed to his base of voters, white men as corey lewandowski admitted, earlier today, and they lost that message that the message that work that they were trying to do to appeal to voters other than the white voting block in this country and that's why you are seeing what you can call an exodus of hispanic advisors within the campaign or the very least disappointment among them that he wasn't able to find a way to compromise or soften his tone in any way. >> katy, where is the campaign

saying they go from here? what's next step? >> the campaign will continue. they are doing some african-american outreach. they believe they will find a way to reach across the aisle in order to appeal to them more. but so far there is no indication it'll change on deportation forces or as immigration policy any time soon. >> all right. katy tur as always, thank you for your reporting. fallout from inside the trump campaign has been intense. jacob monty resigned, calling trump's speech a cynical scheme to use us as props. i do not have the time or energy for a scam. and alphonso aguilla withdrawing saying, we feel misled. we thanks to both of you for

being here. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> pastor, i will start with you. you were in that meeting several days guy with donald trump. and now a number of the folks who were also in that meeting say they no longer support donald trump. i'm wondering where you stand after that you heard that speech in arizona last night. >> i am supporting donald trump and part of the national hispanic advisory board. and we are excited and looking forward to the rest of this campaign. >> pastor, are you not concerned, though, when you see the split screen donald trump in mexico versus donald trump in arizona. did that not feel like two different candidates to you? >> i don't think so. mr. trump when he met with us expressed his understanding of the concern of the hispanics in the united states and i believe

that his approachment to the president showed that he is concerned. he respects the mexican president, the mexican people and talks in mexico and i believe we have a security problem and we do need to build a wall and also that the criminals that are here need to be deported. illegal criminals and after that's done we can then approach the issue which we believe that mr. trump will in having equitable and just policy for the undocumented good people that are here. >> pastor bramnick, let me press you on that more. other advisors see it differently. referring to it as a scam after hearing what he said in arizona. and others say i like what we heard. kkk david duke calling it an excellent speech by donald trump. richard spencer, another white nationalist laider saying trump

is back in a big way. when you hear that, doesn't that concern you? >> i don't give creedance to any of the comments by the kkk people or ex kkk people. i met with trump three times and each time we discussed the issue of the undocumented. i saw someone who understood, was compassionate with the ush u and very passionate on the security issues that we have here. and i think as we progress that we will see a strong security and for the illegal criminals that are here and that we will see positive policy regarding the undocumented. >> ambassador, your reaction to what we are hearing, could there be something potentially useful in their perspective about trump's plan he laid out last night in arizona. >> and i like to start with a visit to mexico and it was sort of the set-up for the day.

and the pastor is correct. there are very real concerns about security and immigration. and in mexico, if you look at the lead up to that visit, it was built as sort of a pivot that mr. trump was undertaking in terms of his views on trade that they perhaps would be more nuanced on immigration and that he would allow for a conversation. and i think this is something that was very important to his hispanic supporters that have decided to leave the campaign. that he would allow for a pivot and discussion about immigration that would move away from the harsh rhetoric of a wall, and deportation of 11 million people and ideological test to a more recent balanced sensible approach still focused on safety and security. i think what you saw yesterday and this morning in the wake of donald trump's visit was a real

disillusionment and that he was diplomatic and nuanced in the middle of the afternoon and that evening reverted to form. i think both in mexico and amongst those hispanics advisors, there was sort of a whiplash. the sense that we expected a pivot and we're getting whiplash. so i think that that's really more the concern that there was a lack of consistency leading up to this visit and lack of consistency in terms of what those hispanic advisors felt they were hearing. >> and i'm curious, ambassador, people scratching their heads because the people of mexico were not happy about this visit. what do you think president pena nieto helped to gain out of that visit given that he didn't really critique him in the moment. he certainly had critique today but he used fairly diplomatic words yesterday when he spoke in that conference.

>> well, i think you just asked the question that most of this country was asking themselves yesterday morning and yesterday morning, i think they both have the same objectives, both under trump and president pena nieto. and in president pena nieto's case that is of corruption and violence and in donald trump acase, one would assume the pivot towards a more sensible immigration and trade policy and that they both wanted to appeal presidential. and i think in a certain respect donald trump accomplished that during the press conference but by sunset, he had reverted to form. in the case of pena nieto, there was a sense that had this opportunity to lay down clear markets as to his and generally the country's faeelings to trump's connection and he failed to do so. he missed the opportunity to be presidential by asserting the country's interest very publicly.

>> seems like a lot of mexicans share that opinion as well. pastor bramnick, let me turn back to you. you heard trump talk about extreme vetting. what exactly do you think that means and is it realistic? >> well, obviously there's a concern with a lot of the issues we have on the border right now. i don't know what the process that mr. trump will be looking at. >> does it concern you that he didn't get into specifics about that? about what extreme vetting means that you don't have a clear understanding of that? >> well, i think that regarding the concern for security, which i believe most of us, including latinos have, you saw those people that lost their daughters, sons and for criminals that were here and not deported as a result of our failed immigration policy. there is a concern for security and i think most would agree we really want a strong vetting process that they are probably

evaluating what that will entail. >> ambassador, quickly to you, last question, what do you make of the fact that donald trump didn't bring up the wall during his meeting with the president of mexico yesterday? >> well, i don't know exactly what to make of that. as i understand it, president pena nieto raised the issue of the wall immediately before they even sat down, he reportedly said, we will not pay for the wall. at which point it was an issue that wouldn't be discussed. another theory is he said we won't pay for the wall and donald trump interpreted it as we will negotiate that later. that makes very clear why the issue is so important to so many people should be discussed. and that could have been diplomatically as well. they both could have made clear what their positions are and certainly pena nieto would have benefitted from doing that.

>> thank you so much. pressure being here. >> thank you. and i want to bring in my panel now. former adviser to president bush and molly ball is a staff writer and steve mcman, thanks for being here. i want to start with you. what did you hear in terms of arizona and did you see any steps of expanding the base of support which is what he needs to do right now. >> no. flying down to mexico and actually seeing that press conference, i thought donald trump did a very good job in terms of the stage craft and in terms of messaging. >> i thought this was a tlap quite frankly and that the president of mexico would chastise donald trump about the wall and about you know literally offending so many millions of mexicans. we didn't see that happening.

what we saw was a complete 18 will 0 when he landed in arizona. him yelling into the mick phone. doubling down on that rhetoric. what we saw a few hours ago was a lot of his hispanic advisors scratching their heads, saying what is going on, what is the message here. for every two steps donald trump took yesterday there t was five steps back. >> molly, put this into a broader perspective. if you're inside the trump campaign, how disconcerting is the fact that you have latino leaders who are now leaving the campaign? saying they won't be a part of it and no longer support trump? >> a huge problem. what he needs to be doing is not keeping his base in but getting new people to decide to support him. and a lot of those new people are nonwhite people. people that he would need to potentially win this election and what he is doing is actively repelling those people. actively making those people not

want to vote for him. even the ones who had been willing over more than a year of tough immigration rhetoric, to still be in that tent. now they are saying, this is the last straw. they can't support him. i think that it got by for more than a year saying tough things but winking and nodding to some people in the hispanic community and conservatives when he finally decided to come out and say for sure where he stood and how he felt about immigrants that they are dangerous scary people. that was enough for a sizeable number i think of hispanic conservatives. >> no doubt last night's speech was red meat to the base. but if you're the clinton campaign, and if you're democrats he add good day from an optics perspective as robert was saying. >> good few hours. and i don't want it dyings in a medical condition here but like the prozac wore off on the plane to phoenix. he was a calm, reasonable, almost presidential looking candidate in mexico. and then he gets on the plane and get off an angry white man

screaming at people, raising the specter of willie horton. what he did was he started his speech by saying these brown people are coming into the country and the people who are supposed to be cut putting them in jail and cutting them restrained are not. they are getting out and killing white people. that effectively what he was saying. it is deplorable. >> go ahead. did he's erase what he achieved in mexico? >> yes. this is arizona, a border state. ground zero. in many way webs remember jane brewer, former governor of arizona, stoked this zena phobia, with lack of a better word. i think donald trump confused everybody including himself in terms of his policy. you listen to rush limbaugh, which i occasionally do. not always. but occasionally. people say be you softening your

immigrati immigration? so it is very confusing. he is sending mixed messages. and i'm not sure what his base believes now. >> i actually don't think it is confusing. this was a decision by donald trump and the donald trump campaign. yes he said a lot of contradictory things and sent contradictory signals. this is the cross road of do you decide to take a different attack toward the electorate or double down with which you began the campaign and decision is made, words on a teleprompter that is the way he decided to -- >> do you double down the primary? >> right. >> primary is over, donald, over. >> right. >> we have a lot more to chew on. stick around. fantastic panel. we will be right back. hillary clinton's poll numbers are slipping but where is her support going? we will look at the polling trend and whether it should have the clinton campaign worried. we're right back after a quick break. finding a different angle.

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. just after winning primary in arizona, senator john mccain is already putting distance between himself and donald trump. mccaine is signaling that presidential race is a lost cause for his own party and asking voters to re-elect a republican congress to keep hillary clinton in line. republicans tried this argument in 1996 when it was clear bob dole was losing to bill clinton. if trump's numbers don't improve expect to see more republican incumbents try the runner stbbee defense. seriously..."vo: clear thinking... donald trump: "i know more about isis than the generals do, believe me." vo: and calm judgment. donald trump: "and you can tell them to

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the battle ground states but we acknowledge that it is close. >> clinton camp is spinning results of recent polls that suggest hillary clinton is shedding some support. this graph shows an average of national poll numberis between clinton and trump over the last two weeks. since sun dia steady if small clinton decline. clinton mostly off the campaign trail in recent days except for an address to american legion yesterday but national poll out this week from monmouth university showing clinton lost four point since their poll from early august. and in a four-way match-up we can see where some of her support might be going. trump is gaining two point nationally and third party candidates gary johnson and jill stein have held steady. that trend holds in this state poll from wisconsin. losing 5 point this month but those points didn't go to trump. he lost one as well. jill stein giain 3eed 3.

johnson, 1. hillary clinton has been asked requests about the clinton foundation again. the drip, drip, drip of information. and another headline that former president bill clinton used tax dollars to subsidize the clinton foundation and private e-mail support. he responded quickly calling it egregiously false. joining me now former michigan governor and co-chair of hillary clinton's transition team, jennifer granholm. governor, thank you for joining me. appreciate it. >> yes, glad to be here, thanks. >> let's start off with the oppics of this week. secretary clinton largely off the trail. she did have, we should note, her strongest month of fund-raising yet. more than $140 million in august alone. but the broader question,

govern govern governor gran home, should we see more in. >> you guys are totally glomming on to everything this guy says because it is so interesting to watch the car wreck. >> to be fair though he is out on the campaign trail and she hasn't been. >> but she was out there talking to for example mental health plan policy but we got just almost nothing. she was talking about a small business strategy, almost nothing. i mean, it is very interesting. now you were talking about the poll numbers, and it is true as tim kaine suggested that everybody expected this to close a little bit. a couple of interesting numbers out of the suffolk university poll, out today, which showed one, that under 10% of people are undecided. sort of in line with what you are just saying. so the question about who people are vying for is a very narrow band. almost, you know, things are baking in the cake.

that couple of interesting numbers that came with the fox hole and right now more people trust her and terrorism and the economy which is flipped before and more people trusted him. underlying issues i think are still favoring her very strongly. >> i take your point against internals gets more complicated but reality is polls are closer and yesterday have you a day when donald trump is out there and standing next to the president of mexico a lot of people thought from an optics perspective it looked pretty good for him can she afford to see that type of air time to him given that the polls are getting closer? >> let's just say, i mean, i'm not sure she want the kind of air time that she getting in the sense that he dwez goes to mexico and says one thing and then people on his campaigning jumping ship because he is so extreme i'm not sure that's the

kind of air time she want to be having. but believe me she is going to be out there everyday fighting for the votes that she needs and i think that the poll numbers which all still show her ahead in the battle ground states those poll numbers are demonstrating that people trust her to be commander-in-chief and that's what this is all about. >> i want to go back to that "politico" story you just heard me talk about in that clintons paid for the server with taxpayer dollars. >> that's not true. >> and pushing back against that. >> pushing back because it's not true. >> fair enough. >> this is the frustration part. >> let me ask you the broader point. should they go a step further when it comes to the clinton foundation and say, hey, right now, we are going to stop accepting foreign donations. we are going to stop accepting donations from large corporations to kind of put one of these topics on the table, off of the table. >> okay. they have said that they, if she

wins they are absolutely going to do that. but as you know know, there are 11.5 million people relying upon the good work of the p foundation and nobody doubts that the foundation is doing life-saving work across the globe. they said they will not accept any foreign donations corporate donations, if she is elected. it would be presumptuous to assume that would happen before the election. but let me just say, you talk about the "politico" story this morning. this is what is so frustrating. donald trump is out there calling for deportation force for 11 million individuals ripping family parts. he's got so much baggage. so many stories everyday about him. and this story gets all of the headlines on her side, a political story that is false. they today retract it and they have pulled it down because it was false saying that taxpayer dollars paid for her server. that is not true. the frustrating part can i tell

you on the clinton side is that when you compare these stories which are false stories like the ap story last week which was egregio egregious. >> governor, to be fair, we have been very balanced in terms of our ---and i take your point. >> just one question, just on this. you talk about the conflicts in the foundation and you spend a huge amount of time talking about that, why hasn't there been equal time given to the $160 million of loans he has to the bank of china and askinging him how is he going to unwind that. he hasn't had to respond to that. >> we have spent plenty of time talking about trump and his immigration policy and business. let's go to kasie hunt and vice president biden from earlier today. >> has the clinton foundation become 100% ethical in your view? >> i think the clinton foundation like all foundations have found themselves in a position where things are changing and i think she is

going to change and adjust to the realities of of how complicated it has become. >> do you think she should stop taking foreign donations now? >> i think he will stop taking foreign donations. >> your reaction, governor? >> he said they will stop taking foreign donations. they will stop taking foreign donations, they have announced that. >> and just more broadly, are you concerned and again i take the point you're making earlier, but these stories seem to stay in the headlines and they are criticized for not taking more question frets press. would you like to see her do that in the final two months of the campaign? >> i'm guessing she will do that. i'm guessing. i don't have inside information on that. but i'm guessing she will continue. but here, i just want to say to the media, i there was a story two d days ago about donald tru

and his modeling agency encouraging modeling coming in illegally -- >> which we did cover. >> i'm saying this little tiny blip aftof a story and here his whole campaign atop an anti-immigration platfo platfor. isn't it huge hypocrisy. >> understand we brought you on here to talk about hillary clinton and her campaign. we did spend a good part of the portion of this show talking about donald trump and the criticism i has been getting. i wanted to give you opportunity to respond to -- >> i appreciate that. i don't want to be a jerk about it. it is just frustrating about what seems to be a nonfair false equivalency. >> final word, we are heading into the home stretch of this. the final two months. and what are you anticipate from secretary clinton in terms of how active she is going to be on the campaign trail and her surrogates like president obama

and vice president biden? >> oh sure. i think people will be out there full force. the stakes are so high. people are concerned about the closing of these polls. people are not going to take anything for granted and they want people to understand what she is doing and what she will do to fight for them, to create jobs in america. and to make sure that their health care is taken care of. they want people to know that she has a full suite of plans to be able to make america better and believe me, everyone will be out there full bore. >> governor, appreciate it. >> thank you. >> still ahead, donald trump said he would redraw the electoral map and it seems he may have. to hillary clinton's benefit. we will look at the states that may be in play for the first time in years this november. stay with us. a flu shot? when it helps give a lifesaving vaccine to a child in need. ♪ thanks to customers like you, walgreens "get a shot. give a shot." program

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and i want my energy to be put into states where it can go either way. and well play heavy as an example in california. now no other republican would, you know, they wouldn't even go to dinner in california. they wouldn't do it. we are going to focus on new york because i'm going to put states into play, like michigan.

>> donald trump said he would rewrite the electoral map during the cycle noting back in may even deep blue states were up for grabs. trump wasn't totally wrong. electoral map could get a big shake-up. state polls and some traditionally republican-leading states are showing an opening for hillary clinton. mitt romney carried north carolina in 2012. latest cnn poll showing clinton leading trump 44-43. in right-leading missouri, clinton trails by just one point in the latest monmouth poll. arizona hasn't been blue in two decade. now clinton is behind but in striking distance according to cnn's polls. even if clinton doesn't win the traditionally red states it could force republicans to divert resources from their typical strong holds and that could be the strategy behind clinton reaching out to deep red states like utah where she wrote an op ed and the campaign opened a field office. "politico" notes that even in south carolina, polls have shown another unexpectedly tight

contest. close races may force trump's hand to redouble efforts in states romney won by double digits in 2012 and leave his choices of skpabding the map very thin. pt panel is back. michael, polly and steve. steve, let me start with you. do you think trump is falling for a trick here or do you think he needs to be in the states? >> if you look at poll numbers, he needs to be in the states. if you're mitch mcconnell worried about the senate, and donald trump is so weak and nom is tied with his democratic opponent. in new hampshire a republican senator running scared. these states where donald trump is underperforming mitt romney create problems. not just for donald trump but for everybody else on the ballot. and there are a lot of them. >> molly, how much is is concern about that? >> oh, a lot. i would say they are in a state of panic and have been for some time. republicans note that in a lot of states you see candidates outperforming donald trump by a

large margin. ohio and florida especially come to mind where both marco rubio and rob portman appear to be surviving trump effect so far but the worry among republicans is that this is only going to get worse if trump is not doinging anything to turn his campaign around. if he is not doing anything to build up much of a campaign in states like ohio and florida. because you know, if the presidential swing states are south carolina, arizona and utah, this election is way over. >> you mentioned that hillary clinton raised $140 million this last month. that is going to go to states like florida and ohio and make a difference not just for her but for the democrats in those states and other states like them. >> it is a nice pad heading into the final two months. robert, your stake on this and given the red meat speech we heard last night in arizona. could that solve the problem to some extent in the traditionally red states? >> there's a reason donald trump is in arizona. because he is losing to hillary clinton. my understanding is that hillary clinton will make an ad buy,

seven figures, ads where kids are sitting in front of a television and you hear donald trump say what he is saying. this is one of the biggest head fake games we can see in a long, long time. but what is interesting is it is a real head fake game. what i mean is that hillary clinton is within striking distance. she could win arizona. she could win utah. looks like she will win virginia. republicans always say they will win pennsylvania. they always say they will win michigan. but remember, donald trump was in washington state just last week. i don't understand it. and the trump campaign will say, well listen, this is a good use of the candidate's time, up there for fund-raiser. we should did a rally there. but mathematically it doesn't make sense. >> i want to talk about the ground game and put numbers up that we have. this is from pbs news hour. hillary clinton has 291 offices in 15 key battle ground states. trump has 88. now the trump campaign says they are adding 132 more in coming days but robert, can they make

up this kind of ground. the ground game is critical. >> yeah. ground game is critical. there are are certain states voting by mail but what is interesting is i have to say in fairness of donald trump, he is only three or four point behind in polls. only spending $5 million of his own money. which tells you how weak hillary clinton is and a lot of his battle ground states. donald trump is his own liability in many ways but hillary clinton is as well. hopefully we will talk about the jennifer granholm interview but a lot of hillary clinton issues are self-inflicted. she should be much higher in the polls given she has such a significant ground game. >> well you bring up the jennifer granholm, she does have vulnerabilitie vulnerabilities -- >> you mean hillary clinton. >> hillary clinton, on the e-mailes a and foundation. and there is this trust issue that makes it tough for her in battle ground state and winning states like utah. which is a big deal. >> the problem that hillary clinton continues to have is

that she has ahad a hard time making a positive case for candidacy and that's you why see that's what is happening in the polls is that donald trump is holding steady. he is in the high 30s. but hillary clinton's lead is decreasing because her numbers are coming down because even the voters, a lot of them i think are republicans or conservative leaning into dependent who are open to voting for hillary clinton. because they are so turned off by donald trump. it is hard for her to commit when they get the information like they've been getting like issues like e-mail answers like clinton foundation. >> and to pick up on the point, does senator clinton need to be more aspirational in the final months of the campaign? >> i think she fairly aspirational for many of the days she is out there. and jennifer granholm mentioned two speeches she gave recently where she laid out policies that are positive for the middle class. that is an aspirational message but doesn't get covered.

this campaign is covered a little bit like a demolition derby. the bigger crash gets covered. when the fbi says we will release information on the e-mail we e-mails, that gets covered. when donald trump does what i does yesterday, he gets covered. >> that's good point. does secretary clinton need to do more interviews and be more in front? >> well we just asked yesterday -- >> in order to get -- >> yesterday hillary clinton was on the trail, wasn't on television, donald trump was. i understand that the press and everybody around the table want to see hillary clinton out there doing news conference everyday. but as a strategist, you're running to win. everyday donald trump makes a fool of himself is a very good day for the hillary clinton campaign. >> true. but one caveat. you mentioned as piratioaspirats very good aspirationally.

but she needs to be transparent. the issue isn't about her message, it is about the self-inflicted wounds that secretary clinton is going through. to your point saying i don't want to vote for donald trump. i really don't. but secretary clinton is not making this easy for me -- >> they are not self-inflicted wound following -- whoa, whoa, whoa. we're cleaning up a mess from six, seven, eight years ago. these aren't things happening on a daily basis. she may not be answering all of the questions everyone wants but she has answered those questions before. >> final point pthen we have to go. >> we heard years ago my e-mails are about chelsea's wedding and yoga. now we know there is classified things. it is drip, drip, drip. >> and the state department is still reviewing them. some might be duplicates to be clear. but the debate continues. stay here. a little bit more time. robert, molly and steve. we're back soon. 's so hard to be a musician,

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hopefully you will all get some rest over the holiday, then we will have the final sprint. what should secretary clinton's strategy be after labor day or should she stay the course? >> i think she should stay the course. she's having more fun and you can see it. she is getting better as a candidate and growing. you almost never hear her raise her voice anymore. i think she's finding her footing and really getting in the groove. i would keep doing that. i would answer more questions from the press. i would be more transparent. just have fun. she's going to win. >> molly, what are you expecting to see from these two candidates? >> i think post labor day is when the campaign sort of engages people, pay more attention and so both candidates need to put forward a consistent message that's going to sort of solidify that image that people take with them when they go to the polls. debate prep obviously will also be a really big deal. the first debate on september 26th. we have gotten a lot of interesting information about the candidates' styles as they look forward to that debate. i think that's potentially pivotal, too, because no one has

ever seen those candidates on a stage together taking each other on and making that argument. >> pick up on that point, robert. the debate point in terms of what donald trump has to do and then more broadly on the trail, what he needs to do to expand his base. >> it appears kellyanne conway, his third campaign manager, really has an effect on him. he's listening to her. kellyanne conway is a consummate professional. i believe she will say to donald trump on the debate stage be substantive, do not raise your voice or come across as irrational. lastly, i think that secretary clinton to your point needs to be a little more transparent. not a full-blown press conference but some type of media scrum that shows she is answering the tough questions. >> i want to say kellyanne conway is a professional. he should have her by his side the entire time. he should listen to her. yesterday it looked like he took her to mexico and then left her on the tarmac and -- >> somebody needs to run the day-to-day operations and the ground game. >> let me pick up on the debate conversation. we know secretary clinton is

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