involved in key decisions in a regular role? we ask kellyann conway and the trump campaign about this, if they're not asking for corrections, then that must mean those reports are true. we haven't heard back from them. the moment we do, i'll let you know. that does it for us tonight, we'll see you again next week. now it's time for "hardball." have an excellent weekend. game time for clinton and trump, let's play "hardball." the labor day weekend is upon us, and well that means americans are going to have a three-day weekend to celebrating the waning days of summer.

it also marks the traditional kick off of the general election campaign, the home stretch, now that means less than 10 weeks to go until election day and all indications are that the candidates are entering this home stretch on an uneven playing field, politico reporting today that the clinton campaign is "displaying unchecked confidence noting that advisers to hillary clinton's campaign have identified so many paths to an election day victory. they are now focusing not only on the one or two battlegrounds that will ensure a win, but opening up the possibility of an electoral college landslide" meanwhile the trump campaign is yet to answer some fundamental questions about how they can pull this thing off "the plan to get to 270 electoral votes remarr remains unclear. it's a work in progress. money from big donors is slowing. and aids are confused about who is calling the shots.

donald trump's campaign is teetering threatening to collapse under the winks of candidate whose personality out weighs his political skill" with that in mind, let's take a look about where things stand in this race as we hit the late labor day home stretch. what you're looking at right here, this is not where the race stands right now, this is where republicans wanted the race to stand right now, when this general election campaign began a few months ago, when he knocked down a republican nomination, if you had said where do you hope this presidential race stands, they will hope it looks something like this, a very close race in terms of electoral votes and a battleground that will look something like this, a 50/50 chance for donald trump to get to 270. we'll show you now piece by piece what it actually looks like and there has been some developments over the last few months, we'll start with two states everybody at the start of this campaign said we're swing states that no longer look like

swing states. i'm talking first about virginia, latest poll there, hillary clinton up 12 points. this is a state republicans won clear through 2004, 2008 nearly, 2012 he won it narrowly. but hillary clinton's is exploded into double digits in that state right now. not looking like a swing state neither for that matter is colorado, most recent poll has hillary clinton running 14 points ahead. what does that do to the map. two states we thought were swing states are looking a lot more like hillary clinton states. here is something that's changed in the last few months, some of these red states, some we all pencilled in and said they're going to be trump states because they're always republican states, they're not looking like red states right now, north carolina state won by two points in 2012, most recent poll, hillary clinton up by two in north carolina. how about georgia state mitt romney won by seven, last voted for democrat for president back in '92.

recent poll has got trump up four, not a comfortable lead. it is a lead, you can't call that a safe red state with a margin like that. how about missouri, mitt romney won this by ten points, donald trump is up a single point in the most recent poll. how about arizona, again, donald trump for romney four years ago, three for trump right now. what does that do to the map? it takes these four red states we're talking about here, you can't call a red state, you can't say carolina is in the bag for trump, you can't say georgia, missouri, you can't say arizona is. look how that starts to change the electoral map. now some of the other battleground states let's give you a quick view of what it looks like on the ground in those states. you can start with new hampshire, remember donald trump won this in the primary, four years ago, hillary clinton new poll out, just in the last few hours in 11-point lead. there have been a couple of polls like that for new hampshire. pennsylvania how much talk have we heard from republicans about trump competing in pennsylvania,

it was five points in 2012, most recent poll this week, seven points, some putting her double digits ahead in pennsylvania, go right through them, hillary clinton leading small, but leading in florida. state obama won by a point. hillary clinton leading again, it's a small margin, it's bigger, a four point lead from hillary clinton hillary clinton in ohio. wisconsin down to three, democrats would like that to be more, that's actually good news for donald trump, but still bottom line, that is a hillary clinton lead in wisconsin. iowa, best news for donald trump in any swing state, the best news right now is right here, a tie, he's not ahead, he's in a tie in the most recent poll. nevada, also hillary clinton, a smaller lead than president obama had, but still a lead, keep that in mind, all those battleground states you can't point to a single one right now where donald trump is ahead. these are states he's got to be flipping. you look at it and say, she's up double digits in new hampshire,

high single in pennsylvania those are looking blue right now, bottom line heading into the home stretch, look how close she is to 270. look how far he is, the gray states left, he'll have to run the table to get to 270. he needs a shakeup to get back in this race and to have a path to the white house. msnbc, washington bureau chief. hue hewitt. msnbc, hlet's start with you, h has trailed consistently in the national polls all summer, what is the single most important thing he has to do to get back in this game? >> i think you said, there needs to be a shakeup. wisconsin, iowa and nevada are the three states where he's got the best news. i think it does come down to pennsylvania in the end. but, luckily, today i know you're coming to this later in the program, steve, so i don't want to spend too much time on

it. on october 20, 1973, on september 2nd, 2016, friday night massacre narrative and reputation on hillary clinton and disaster and it will change the race beginning monday and i don't think the old labor day take us news. i think we'll be studying this report over the weekend. she had a terrible week. he had a very good week, that shakeup is beginning. >> okay. well, you're right, we'll be getting to that a little bit later in more detail. a version of the same question i asked you, i'll ask you, from hillary clinton's standpoint, she's ahead wharks is tt is the threat? is it the e-mail, doj? what is the biggest threat? >> i read the report, other people read the report, it doesn't go any further than what we've already heard that she was careless or reckless. she's apologized for it. it's a real problem and issue, but not -- she didn't know

something about classified material. he didn't know what the nuclear triad was. i. >> what is the threat? >> i think the -- i think the thing she needs to worry about the most is that donald trump becomes sane. he had a chance this week. he went to mexico. he got kudos because he didn't drool while standing next to foreign leader. he came back that gave a speech that was suppose to be part of a pivot, he lost half of his advisory board latino. he is not doing anything to reach those voters in the swing states. i think now she's like muhammad ali, let him flail, if he stays where he is, she's in a good position. make no mistakes, do well in the debates, if they happen in this campaign. but, really, let him go around and around like a taz mainian devil which can't keep his own latino advisers aboard. >> after campaign meeting at

trump tower, top aids were confident. tough talk on immigration combined with the whirlwind trip to mexico on wednesday, had in the words of one adviser, "won him the election kwt." several associates that trump is in real danger of losing. rnc strategists indicated to the younger mr. trump, his father's narrow path to the veets he needs to win could vanish going through the swing states one by one. he said he was drastically under performing other republicans in the poll. that's a version of what we just walked through there in terms of what the state by state map looks right now. they mentioned the immigration speech, trump's campaign, they feel they took a big step forward with the immigration speech this week. given the polling realities, the swing state realities all that he's up against, do you think he helped his cause by what he said this week on immigration?

>> i think he helped his cause by the trip to mexico and david, donald trump looking presidential is a big threat, howard and former communications director for hillary clinton said that donald trump's trip to mexico was a home run. now, the media is analyzing donald trump's speech in phoenix in very different ways. i watched it and i heard a tough tone, but, in fact, in terms of substance, i thought that he was actually kind of, you know, straying the middle of the road and the middle line there. many of the things that he outlined are in fact, u.s. policy and administration policy. i understand the speech was firy, but i think a lot of voters listening, they like that message from donald trump that he's going to be putting america first. i wouldn't be surprised if hillary clinton disagrees with that? >> let's stay here for a second, we talk about the tone of the speech and the emphasis donald trump had there on crime. he had the parents of victims of crimes that had been committed

by illegal immigrants. i'm looking -- when i slice and dice the demographics trying to figure out why clinton is winning and trump is losing, i'm not the only one to look at this, it comes down to people who are a little bit more conservative, pocketbook issues they worry about their taxes but they don't like the idea of being associated with somebody who says the inflammatory things that donald trump has. i'm looking at the tone of that speech this week and i'm having a hard time seeing how those voters warm up to him because of it. >> well, it defends if they listen to it or to the coverage, i was on with you wednesday night, steve. i agree that i thought it was a very energetic speech, but comprehensibly in the middle of immigration, in going back to, you know, very completely accurate assessment of the map, wisconsin, iowa, nevada are where donald trump has to shake the map up. how does this speech play in those three states and in pennsylvania? i think it plays very very well. it's not going to get you back

colorado, that's gone, you know, i think it's a completely blue state right now. nevada is a funny state because of trump's presence there. how does it play in iowa, pennsylvania, wisconsin, he promises security to a country worried about security? he elevates for the media to understand the victims of crime of those not in the country legally. he does so with a little bit more humor and grace than we're use to, especially, the visit to mexico. it was his very best day of the campaign in the middle of a week where hillary clinton began with gilbert on the front page of the los angeles time, ended one this terrible report today, so i think by this time next week, we'll see a much tighter race. >> all right. so some senators this week, meanwhile, sounded like they believe hillary clinton win is in the cards for november. senator john mccain who won his p primary is using new prospect. >> if hillary clinton is elected

president, arizona will need a senator who will act as a check, not a rubber stamp for the white house. >> and louisiana bill cassidy said on c span it's not the republican message that's at fault, but the messenger at the top of the ticket. >> the message that we have is pretty good. it may turn out that mr. trump is not the messenger, but maybe he is. it seems to boil down to his personality being not what people like as opposed to some of the issues i think where the issues are, republicans are where many of the american people are. >> well, amy, that mccain ad, it takes me back 1996 when the republicans concluded bob doyle was toast. they started campaigning saying, hey, give us a check against the second term of president clinton. >> i think that ad has a lot more to do with john mccain being in a tough re-election battle and he's trying to appeal to his moderates in arizona.

you also have to ask the question in politics compared to what, we're talking about donald trump and his tone or does dismdi dismean minor, hillary clinton is at her highest negativities in unfavorability in her career. and the bad news that has come out over last week and this week, including the clinton foundation and the revelations by the ap that half of the people that she met with who are outside of government came -- were donors to the clinton foundation, this has not been good for her. i will say that that very firy speech that she gave attacking donald trump and donald trump voters, i thought that was a sign of weakness. typically the top of the ticket, they're the good cop and the vice presidential candidate they're the bad cop who slings the mud. hillary clinton was slinging that mud, i think she's afraid of donald trump and she's trying to frame him as unacceptable and afraid his message is getting free. >> david corn, very quickly, this is a story we've been talking about, '96, those high negative numbers, high

unfavorable, are we at a point that we have to say whatever happens in this election, she may still win, that problem for her is just unfixable. >> it may be, but her negative numbers as high as they are are still lower than donald trump's. i still can't get over how anybody can look at his speech, which drove his own latino advisers out of the campaign, kicking and screaming and running at something that would play well the general electorate and put him in a better position. it's ludicrous to think that he gained when he lost his own supporters. so i think there's a long way to go before donald trump shows any of those voters that you talked about, steve, suburban republicans and moderates that he's a guy with a temperament, the knowledge or the ability to talk in a way that doesn't cause them to pull their hair out of their head. >> david corn, amy, hew hewitt, appreciate it. >> thank you. >>. we talked about a little bit. we're doing to get a full report

on those fbi notes in just a minute. also coming up on the eve of trump's trip to black church in donald trump. dwyane wade said he used his cousin's death for political gain, that's ahead. the first presidential debate now just three weeks away, we're learning more about the two big things hillary clinton is planning to do when she takes the stage of donald trump. and inside story of how he changed to try to stick it to the mexican presidential after learning he wouldn't be paying for trump's border wall. the hardball round table is going to be here to tell me and you three things about this presidential race you might not know. this is hard ball. the place for politics. you're not taking these. hey, hey, hey! you're not taking those. woah, woah! you're not taking that. come with me. you're not taking that. you're not taking that. you're not taking that. mom, i'm taking the subaru. don't be late.

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that she did not remember anyone raising illegal concerns about it. the details go to chris citizen at the white house. what are the headlines coming out of this? >> there are a lot of headlines, let me give you a few of the big ones, one secretary clinton saying she didn't remember all of the briefings that she received on how to handle sensitive information because of that concussion that she suffered back in 2012 that's one of the revelations from these documents that's raising some eyebrows. another one, she told fbi investigators that she didn't know what the letter c meant, it stands for confidential she said she wasn't clear about that. i smoke with federal official who said that's hard to believe given that she was secretary of state, giving all the briefings she had. and, finally, the fbi saying that they had no evidence that her server was ever hacked. but at the same time, that's

inconclusive she had so many different devices that she used, as many as 13 over a period of time. they say it's not conclusive that her server was never hacked but they just don't have any evidence to suggest that it was. this is, of course, all providing foder for donald trump, he called her a liar, of course, you guys just had that conversation in which hewitt seized upon this controversy, and the bottom line here, it keeps the e-mail issue in the headlines heading into labor day and it continues to fuel those high unfavorable ratings and voters' lack of trust of her. this is going to be something she needs to address after labor day and particularly in the debates. >> the story started well over a year ago. thanks for the time, i appreciate it. be right back. ♪

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you have had tremendous numbers of african-americans

that have had a hard time. i read the numbers when you have so many in poverty, the crime is horrible and the education is terrible. i say what do you have to lose. i say to them, what do you have to lose, give it to me, i'm going to fix it? and a lot of the people are agreeing with me, what do you have to lose? the democrats and the hillary clinton's of the world have done a terrible job. she stood there for 35 years she's done a terrible job. >> welcome back to "hardball" after a week of trying to shore up the hispanic vote, today he sat down with a round table of business civic and religious leaders in philadelphia. tomorrow he heads to detroit to visit with great faith ministries. yesterday, the "new york times" reported that the normally unscripted trump would leave nothing to chance in detroit, mr. trump had planned to be interviewed by its pastor in a session that would be closed to the public and the news media with questions submitted in advance and instead of letting mr. trump be his free wheeling

self, they prepared lengthy answers for the submitted questions consulting black republicans to make sure he says the right things. this morning that pastor, wayne jackson, say he would have new questions, take a listen. >> these are not going to be solid. i have questions that they don't know about. i changed them after that came out. it was no coercing with the trump campaign and myself to try to give him the upper hand on these questions. >> and late tonight there is now growing confusion about tomorrow's meeting. the campaign is saying trump will address the congregation, pastor jackson is saying he will not. for more on trump's visit i'm joined by press secretary of ben carson and the rebirth of hillary clinton. dee n dina let's start with you. out reach to the black

communities he hasn't spoken in front of a predominantly black audience. he's delivered this message in front of white audiences. we played a clip of what he's been saying, at least, until now where he stresses negative aspects as he says black life in america talking about crime, talking about poverty, things like this. if he goes to a black church in detroit, tomorrow, with that message, how do you think that would go over? >> you know, i think first of all of it's important to recognize we've been complaining about the fact that he's not gone to the black community, now they're complaining that he's going. it's a great thing that he's going there. when he get there is i hope that he will talk about these issues that he's raised before, but i think he should also talk about jobs and the economy. these are areas where black americans are struggling and we do need more jobs and economic opportunities in places like detroit. but we also need, you know, economic opportunities in place

of educational opportunities, as well. so, i think, it's very important that donald trump is going there. i think that it will be helpful if he changes his language so it's not as negative. he's pointing out the facts that for 30 years hillary clinton has been talking to the african-american community and has earned the votes of african-americans but she's done very little to improve the plight of people in areas like chicago and detroit. i'm excited to see what happens after this meeting with bishop jackson's church. >> in terms of politics, there's a new national poll in suffolk universi university, and among black voters he's getting 2% of support. that puts him not well behind hillary clinton, but also behind gary johnson and jill stein, two points there. there's a poll in nbc news "wall street journal" poll that put him at 1%, hillary clinton 91.

i know there's a school of thought, while this is on the surface out reach, donald trump he's really using this as a way to reach a different section, white voters, do you think there's anything to that. >> let's take this in a couple of parts. when you're polling at 1% or 2% among african-americans, what that means you're within the margin of error of zero, steve. it's possible, i mean, it's not going to be zero. it's going to be very low. number two, i think he's absolutely trying to communicate with white moderate republicans that he's not a bigot, that he can go talk in african-american communities about issues amongst the african-americans and perhaps also to latinos later on. i think the idea is to make them more comfortable with the idea they're not voting for someone who is a bigot. this interesting thing he's doing at great faith ministries in detroit, it's somewhat surprising, the whole idea for him is to go in there and show

he's got comfort with and he's comfortable with the african-american community to be able to go there and speak about issues in a way that is reassuring about his intentions. and yet we find out that all of the questions and answers are scripted, which shows the exact opposite, he's so uncomfortable he's not willing to go in there and have a real discussion. >> i don't see it as an issue of being uncomfortable. what we have to understand, you know, john you've been there, we've seen this happen with other candidates, it is very common for campaigns to receive questions in advance and it is very common for staff to prepare remarks. but we know this of donald trump. he is not a scripted candidate. and so even if he, you know, takes these comments and reads over them and reviews them, we know that donald trump in most situations, he is going to speak from his heart and he's going to say what he wants to say. i think that kellyann conway has done a great job.

the bottom line, from the very beginning this has been donald trump's campaign and trump will be trump whether you give him a script or not. >> that's terrible for donald trump. >> we're still trying to figure out what's going to ap happen a the church tomorrow. the original reporting they've told us at times is wrong. we're going to find out when he gets there exactly what this is. since the beginning of out reach he's been making the last few weeks, he's stepped down his own message a few times last week after nba star dwyane wade's cousin was shot to death in shi. dwyane wade's cousin was shot and killed walking her baby in chicago. african-americans will vote trump. this morning, dwyane wade broke his silence and responded, take a listen. >> i was grateful that it started the conversation, but on the other hand, it's just a bad taste in my mouth because of, you know, what my family is dealing with and what our city of chicago is dealing with and

it looks like it's been used as a political gain. >> there's this particular example. republican party, in general, more than a half century, you go back to 1964, you kind find a republican who has broken 20%, in general republicans do not do well with the black vote. donald trump 2%, 1% in ours, he's doing worse. diagnose the problem, as you see it, why is he doing even worse than republicans who don't do well at all. >> you know, donald trump's rhetoric in the black community has not been helpful. i will completely admit that. i will not cosign on the language that he's used. what i cannot stand is this idea that this week i think we've had 90 deaths in chicago these are cities that have been led by democrats the only thing i can say to that, i don't understand why the message doesn't resinate that we continue to give our loyalty to democrats and we've

gotten very little in return. i think it's very important that candidates like donald trump raise awareness and speak in ways that may be a little controversi controversial, he's brought attention to this situation and i think that is very important. >> all right. dina bass, jonathan allen, thanks for the time. up next first presidential debate just over three weeks away now. we've got new details about the two things hillary clinton is planning to do when she finally meets donald trump on that stage. this is hardball, place for politics. as you'll see, when shoppers add an item to their jet carts, they automatically shrink the prices of millions of other products. very impressive. whew... it's got a little kick to it. i'm sorry, i can't hear you? nice shirt craig. at jet.com, we're always looking for unbelievable money saving innovations.

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historic global climate deal in china this week. back to "hardball." ♪ welcome back to hardball, the first presidential debate now over three weeks away we know who the moderators are going to be, these three blockbuster bouts between donald trump and hillary clinton, our own wester holt, the anchor of nbc nightly news is going to be on the night of september 26th. other moderators include martha, anderson cooper and chris wallace. clinton and her advisers are consumed by the challenge to debate a man they see as the ultimate wild card, while at the same time not doing further harm to her image, according to glen thrush. she's expressed frustration, a little trepidation about her first face off with donald trump

later this month recently telling one person that she's perplexed about which donald trump will show up. she's told friends since the spring at fund-raisers and private huddles she's especially worried about the new attacks on her family fed by trump -- fed through trump by allies like roger stones. rush writes over the past two or three weeks they've been peppering her with attacks including awkward wild card shots at her family. politico's glen who wrote that story who joins me, thanks for taking a few minutes. they want to know which donald trump will show up. we know there's the bombastic that says little marco rubio, we know that guy. what's the other trump that they think can be out there? >> the trump that we saw in mexico with the tranquilizer dart sticking out of his neck, steve. this do domesticated version. she told a crowd that she was concerned that he would attempt to project and frankly that is

actually a much more difficult sort of debate for her. their whole game, and i think this is a weakness, and i think people on their team on clinton's team are trying to compensate for that weakness. they've been relying on trump acting like a wild man. if the guy comes out and tries to behave presidentpresidential seems to be getting and roger ailes. that in and of itself is a wild card that will be more difficult to deal with. >> so what's the thing in there. do they then try to rile them up. do they give her some lines, how do they handle that. >> yeah, absolutely, i think, you know, part of the point in my piece was, she has a two-tfo challenge, to deal with him if he's crazy, to make him crazy so they can deal with him because she's look better by comparison. the second component is to deal with the trust issues, we saw this 11-page discussion with the

fbi. we've seen a real erosion in her trust numbers, it's a 25 year high. she's got business of her own to do with the american people, for a long time, their strategy has just been to beat the hell out of donald trump and pray for the best. we've seen significant erosion in her numbers, interestingly enough, steven, you look at the polls just as well as i do, donald trump has not picked up the support that hillary clinton has lost, three or four points nationally. they're kind of laying out there. what she really needs to do is what she has always needed to do, make the case, the affirmative case with the american people, she's trustworthy and likable. >> i'm trying to remember a national debate with as much annotation is this one, the only one sarah palin in '08. good to have you on the show. appreciate it. up next, new details about how donald trump changed his immigration speech after a tweet from the mexico saying that mexico won't be paying for that

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the president's public vow not to pay for trump's proposed border wall which trump had previously said he had not discussed in their earlier meeting. mr. trump was that he had gone public and the mexican president had broken what he considered a deal to keep the question of paying for the wall off the table at their initial meeting. so mr. trump hurriedly inserted a new sentence into his immigration speech after noting his usual style of the u.s. will build a great wall along the southern border, trump then added this -- >> we will build a great wall along the southern border.

and mexico will pay for the wall. 100%. they don't know it yet, but they're going to pay for the wall. >> joining me tonight, opinion colu columnist with the washington post and politics editor here at msnbc. beth, into the week i'm trying to put into perspective a little bit what trump got and what he didn't get out of that wednesday in arizona. the speech itself, obviously the headlines from the hard looine rhetoric. he was trying to project a different image. which of those do you think has more revenues at the end of the week. >> i think that meeting is going to be wiped from history, basically, except for their twitter war, that was a tiny little moment compared to that speech that happened in prime time, that big speech in phoenix, prime time carried live by us, cnn and others, so much

material there that can chop up into ads and certainly will start seeing them next week. in my opinion that could spell the end of the trump campaign. it was a speech that pushed away everybody but his base. unless his base can somehow materialize and redouble and retriple into a winning coalition, i don't see where he goes from here. >> speaking of the point you just raised, the clinton campaign has a new web ad, take a look. >> who is going to pay for the wall? >> mexico. >> who? >> mexico. ♪ ♪ >> we didn't discuss the wall. we didn't discuss payment of the

wall. >> putting everything else and defend trump on narrow point, i don't think he ever claimed he was going to negotiate payment for the wall. >> he has no leverage because he's still a candidate. he doesn't actually occupy oval office. >> i will give him that without being commentary on anything else. to the point beth was raising. we were talking about this earlier in the show. in terms of the politics, when you look at the voters who have been defecting, you know, the traditional republican voters, the moderate. i tend to find myself watching every speech, are they hearing something new that might earn them back support. >> i think he's given up on them. >> does he drive it up. i mean, i guess, that best speech, as beth noted was very much a play to his base, i mean, even his former campaign manager, who may or may not

being paid by trump went on tv and said this was an attempt to get white male voters. i think he's given up on anybody on the fence at this point. >> i don't agree with that. i think he was very erratic, which didn't help him. he lied, which didn't help him, clearly the short term, but he lies every time his lips move, so i don't think that was particul particularly out of the ordinary. what he did rather interesting to me was appealing to to two constituencies. so he through red meat for the base. he secured that base, because he needs the sporadic white voter who doesn't usually come out and is not being counted by any of the polls except the la times polls which shows trump even. he needs them to be motivated to come out. that's what that speech was about. >> do you think that could work? it could work. the poll agri gaiter. >> the one said trump had no

shot at winning the republican nomination. >> my larger point is what he did for the white women suburban voter, he did what in the military is called covering your retreat with fire so that speech was like a military force is withdrawing that. i don't want to be seen as cowards in retreat they learned down a huge barrage of fire. what was he retreating from a commitment all yearlong to deport 11 million people immediately. that was not in the speech. when he and hillary are discussing this, he'll have a semirational policy on immigration. >> jonathan is saying it's about 5 million or so undocumented in the country right now not visa

over stays, no criminal record, anything like that. and trurch in this speech, if you listen very carefully, he's basically saying, nothing about legal status, he's saying i'm going to leave them alone. >> i didn't hear that. >> can he now -- can he be more moderate. >> honestly, i don't understand why the focus on how many people he will deport and when has become such a discussion. there was so much else in that speech to offend suburban women. characterizing so many immigrants as criminals, taking away jobs, murdering people, he has a whole group of people talking about the illegal immigrants who murdered their children. he could not have painted immigrants to this country in a more negative light. the disagreement who and when they'll be deported seems to be a tiny fraction about the point he was making. >> it's saying that a few years down line after we've done all

the priority deportation, they'll revisit. they'll sound more moderate is to change their tone. if that's all you're offering and it's couched, i don't see how you win any of those voters over. >> i feel like every time he does an interview, he changes his mind. >> he's changed it twice since wednesday night. >> exactly. >> he can now say, or people can ask him, rationally, isn't your policy of deporting criminals first the same, essentially, as barack obama's policy. when he says well in that respect, yes it is the same. that might sound appealing to moderate voters. >> let's -- i'm not sure that's going to happen. more to talk about. this is hardball, the place for politics. ning your perfect record. yeah. now you would think your insurance company would cut you some slack, right? no, your insurance rates go through the roof. your perfect record doesn't get you anything.

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>> i don't think sochlt i think where he feels comfortable, where he feels like he's in his element, he's sort after little more off the cuff. i think his campaign is probably going to want to keep him on script and prep him for those debates. all the reports that i have seen on this has indicated he has resisted, you know, reading policy briefs and doing the structured mock debate and things like that. i think his preference is probably going to be a little more off the cuff, which may or may not work. >> that's what the clinton campaign wants. they don't want him to show up and try to look presidential. they want donald trump to show up like he did in the republican primary debates. >> i want to give a little shout out for our commander in chief forum, next week on wednesday, that will be a dry run for donald trump, to be standing in front of an audience, getting questions, they won't be on the stage together. he'll get more questions that are much more policy focused, he will be pressed to go deeper than he's been pressed, on these

issues on matters of foreign policy. he'll get a little taste of that and maybe he'll decide, what's the best way to go, to go back to his natural state that he can't play in the policy arena and get to the point where he can stand and go toe to toe. >> we keep looking back to these republican primary debates and we forget sometimes, ten candidates on the stage, they had commercial breaks every 15, 20 minutes donald trump could stand there and disappear for 20 minutes at a time. the whole conversation could play out around him, totally different dynamic, one on one commercial free against hillary clinton. >> it's going to be harder for him. he doesn't know much of anything about the issues and detail he can make that reveal his ignorance. but, remember, for the last couple of weeks he's had this stump speech he's been reading from a teleprompter. he's had 25 days between now and the first debate three times a day e he'll read that speech which is full of one liners that are pretty effective. it's a pretty good speech,

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separating her and donald trump, she's going to have a tough autumn. >> thank you. chris matthews returns tuesday 7:00 p.m. eastern. he'll be right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> if you don't do something about it, you gonna have taco trucks every corner. >> the reaction to those comments by the founder of latinos for trump. how his view -- >> hispanics, we're taking over. >> -- speaks to trump's cultural fear mongering. >> not everyone who seeks to join our country will be able to successfully assimilate. then, the latest outreach. >> we met with numerous african american folks from the area. >> i'll speak with someone who was in that meeting as controversy swirls around trump's detroit trip tomorrow. plus, evidence of pay for play by a presidential candidate. we'll tell you why he was just