he said the party of lincoln, that is not the truth because their opposites since 1968, we've been the party of more strong dixie. so, to say one thing on the podium sand to do a different thing in public policy is tremendously hypocritical. >> thank you very much. we appreciate that response. i'm going to go quickly to mark thompson. your brief thoughts, mark. >> well, this is the definition of pandering. if no one has ever seen pandering, we've heard the word a lot. this is the definition of it. he offereded nothing concrete that he would do for the african-american community and in love lives within u why is he still associated with the likes of bannan and roger stone and alex jones. of these people in the alt right. why would he stand behind the african-american congregation and renounce the alt white.

why wouldn't he apologize for what he did. why wouldn't he apologize for discriminating against african-americans in housing. why wouldn't he apologize to some of the other ugly things that he has said to the african-american community, so, no, this is not acceptable under any circumstances. >> all right, mark thompson. thank you so much for your thoughts. that is it for me on a.m. joy. over to my colleague, alex whit. >> all right, joy, thank you very much. and i'll take it from here, everyone. we are going to stay with this breaking news story. just past noon in the east, 9:00 a.m. out west. we're going to go to donald trump's visit to the black church in detroit. just minutes ago, he wrapped up remarks after so much uncertainsy as to whether or not he would even address the congress gantts there. this is video that was shot just minutes ago. he sat there in the first few rows, he was clapping and swaying right along there with

the church. one of his key supporters was there with him. and here's what mr. trump told them just minutes ago from what appeared tor prepared comments. >> you do right every day by your community and your families. you raise children in the light of god. i will always support your church, always. and defend your right to worship. so important. i am here today to listen to your message. and i hope my presence will also help your voice to reach new audiences in our country and many of these audiences desperately need your spirit and your thought. >> that is donald trump, who's take i taking part in this church service. this is the scene outside of the church. dozen of people dpatherring to protest his visit. they marched right near that church. chanting dump trump. all holding up signs reading no

hate in the white house. a bit earlier this morning, detroit's mayor held a news conference to voice his skepticism over this visit. >> it just feels to me like a madison avenue image makeover. i feel like i'm watching the next season of the apprentice. i just think they are very cynically trying to create a new image and we'll find out today if i'm wrong and mr. trump comes out with very specific plans on how to improve schools and reduce poverty. all the the reaction surrounding it. >> outside, you're going to be able to see there are still protesters around. they've been around for a couple of hours. maybe we saw 50, 60 protesters, not happy. that he is in the neighborhood. now, inside, we had trump arrive

a couple of hours ago. pretaped an interview with the pastor as we already now, but we didn't know was whether he was going to address the crowd and of course as you saw, he did. he read from prepared raushs that he said he wrote a little bit ago. a few days ago i think is what he said. that you may understand better than i will. i think the words he used. and then proceeded to read those. he went off script several times. cited scripture. i wasn't able to gauge the reaction because i wasn't inside. we were able to see the pews were not full. 140 o a church rep told me today they could have had 1400 people in there. appears they didn't get that money. but this is very interesting visit by trump. his critics said when he started that direct appeal to african-american voters, why are you speaking the to largely white crowds over and over and over. so, here he is coming and bringing his message directly to

black audiences. a lot of people going inside said they were willing to listen to him. they were willing to see if he would change. but a lot of those even those who were going to go inside said they weren't going to vote for him. he had just said too much to them. it was a foensive. they were just willing to let him be and say what he wanted to say. >> nothing is more sad than when we sideline young black men. with unfulfilled potential. tremendous potential. i met some people this morning that were incredible people. young people. our whole country loses out. when we're unable to har necessaharness the brilliance of energy of these people.

when one hurts, we all hurt. so true. we're all brothers and sisters. and we're all created by the same god. we must love each other. and support each other. and we are in this all together. all together. i fully understand that the african-american community has suffered from discrimination. and that there are many wrogs that must be made right. they will be made right. i want to make america prosperous for everyone. >> of course, the only way for trump to go in terms of support from the african-american community is up and our most recent poll, he's at 1%. historic lows, there's that, but then the crowd who says this is part of his appeal to his was. those who are leaving white voters largely because they don't like the label that is put on trump supporters and trump being a racist.

but one thing is for sure. that in the last couple of week, trump had hit this message. in every rally, in his prepared remarks, he has made a direct appeal to african-american voters and here he is in detroit a couple of protest rs said i give him an a for showing up, but i won't vote for him. interesting to see how others feel about that. >> well, he clearly has some work to do with that community, so thanks so much. we'll let you know that our jermaine lee has been inside the church service. as soon as he makes his way out of the crowd and to a microphone and the camera, we'll talk with him as well. but right now, i'm delighted to bring in crystal ball, direct strategist, senior fellow at the leaders council and joy reed. a family reunion here. let's get to your reaction. >> it was interesting a couple of things and you and i looked at each other when we heard jacob say despite being a 1400 seat capacity, the pews weren't

full. it's interesting is that we heard earlier that they were turning people away. that you had to have a ticket to get into the church and the people were being turned away without tickets, so they could have added more people inside, but perhaps that means they were carefully screening to make sure the crowd inside would be friendly. it will take more information on that. i've been trying to get some information on who wrote the prepared remarks that donald trump read from the podium still waiting on that. but these were clearly remarks that were reprepared for him. i had heard earlier before, at least last night, that he was going to greet the church for maybe five to ten minutes. he did more than that. he gave a speech, so clearly, he had a prepared speech. he touched on some traditional conservative themes. school choice. defending your right to worship. the religious liberty theme and those lead me to believe that jacob is correct, that this was a speech a lot about white conservative voters who want to feel more comfortable to see that picture of him standing

next to ben carson, standing in a black church. he thinks will help him in the white house. >> crystal and i were watchinging it in the makeup room and when donald trump was talking about defending the right for people to worship, is it me or was this country founded on those principles? >> it was. >> interesting point to bring up. >> if anyone has put that principle at risk, it is donald trump with his religious tests that he has proposed in banning muslims. good the to hear he has a newfound commit m to religious liberty. the speech was carefully scripted, which i any is interesting. donald trump's whole thing is he's the tell is like it is guy and clearly based op the carefully prepared nature of this speech he gave and the reporting about how carefully conceived this sper view was and the responses laid out p business hi aides, the it's clear that at least his aides,

if not him himself, very uncomfortable in the setting an very nervous about what he might say or do. i'm not trying to be smart or sassy here, but if you wanted to reach out to the african-american community, i think you would start by firing the white nationalist you just hired to run your campaign. i have a hard time seeing how you're going to get a significant amount of support while you have someone like steve bannan who ran the website as this platform for the racest alt right that hillary clinton laid out as long as you have him at the helm, i don't see how you get past the 1, 2, 3% he's at now. you've got a majority of americans who tell pollsters that donald trump is racist and you can't win the white house when the majority of american people think you're racist, so he needs to appeal to the white women in the suburbs and the college educated white men who have left him and make the case to them that he's doing this outreach and that he is not in fact -- >> these pictures will turn up on conservative media. you'll see them splashed across.

this will be the most positive toward black people headline we've had. one reason, good point, this was very scripted. the moments when he went off script, i think were interesting. there were two that i'll point out. one when he said i hope my presence here helps you reach new audiences. alluding to his ability to get ratings. then saying he thinks his wife could be a tv star, but the other, right, so weird when he said i didn't know what i was getting myself into. he praised the interview, which is counterintuitive given that the last 24 hours t news cycle has been about how scripted that interview was. his questions, the questions were provided to the campaign. his ap answers were scripted. he said he didn't know what he was getting into, but he did. >> tremayne, he's at the camera. am i right? and if so, great. let's go to you. first thing we were talking about was the fact that the

church wunts completely full. and joy was hypothesizing maybe that's because they were screening those who could get in because i was talking to you about 8:15 this morning and there were cars streaming in. i cannot imagine they weren't able to lod load it up to 1400 people, the maximum capacity. >> well, i'm not so u sure if they were turning, they didn't turn that many folks away. we were standing here all morning. i think they were selective on the front end, who they were giving these tickets to. i spoke to a woman sitting next to me who said her pastor had gotten about ten or 15 and he wanted to delegation from his church to come and show support and for bishop jackson, but also to pray over donald trump. to be in that sanctuary, to try to have a spirit of good will. now, inside the church, you had a front section and two side sections that were completely full. i was sitting maybe 200 people. but behind me, there were maybe another 150 seats left emp thety

one thing that stood out to me, not that he wouldn't have been welcomed as a guest, but they were eating it up. he was hitting those keywords. soul. bring souls to the polls. these keywords they use to manipulate the audience, but when donald trump on script and off talked about so you feel, the upliftment of the soul, at the end, he talked about 1 john chapter 4. kind of came into the audience. you could feel the energy, but at the end, when bishop jackson also presented donald trump with this jewish shaw and draped it over his shoulders and there they are smiling, that woman right next to me kind of grimaced a little bit wondering if this is about theatrics, optics. they wanted to hear about a plan. you heard donald trump talk about school choice and protecting religious liberties and the idea that when he drove around this morning and saw people sitting on the curbs

without jobs, that somehow, he would have some sort of plan to you know, energize and build it back up. but again, he was warmly welcomed and i think the images we'll be left with, donald trump with his arm around bishop jackson, this smiling black pastor with the shaw and bible in his hand. it may have been a win donald trump. >> if he saw people sitting around the curb, it is saturday. so it might be -- >> having a day off. >> it's a beautiful day. >> and it's is summer, so i think the it's interesting if he drove around and saw people sitting around outside, that it was presumed they were jobless. maybe just having their day off. >> do you know is donald trump now going to be going on any sort of a walking tour because that was a possibility. i know that there was some speculation as to whether or not they were going follow through with that. is that happening? >> i'm not sure if it's a walking tour.

he will be making other stops in detroit. about 10, 15 minutes ago, he was ushered out along with the press pool, so ipg the plan is that they will embark on some sort of tour. not sure in the vehicles or walking or where it will be. the pastor said there are other stops. >> this is dr. carson accompanying him, who is a detroit native. he can be a tour guide. >> he's with ohm rosa, darryl scott and ben carson. so this has the fingerprints of an -- she is an evangelist, ordained minister, so it's an interesting trio of people that visiting that surge. >> despite the one woman who you suggested was grimacing ali l bit at the theatrics of this, how would you describe people as they were going in? what they expected, wanted to hear from trump. were most people skeptical or were they with the sincere open

heart, see what this guy brings? >> i think they were sincere in the spirit in which they came. i think when you think about the polling numbers for michigan, 8% african-americans in the state say they'll vote for donald trump. across the nation, it's 1%. these aren't trump supporters. these are good church folks who wanted to come and they wanted to hear what he had to say. they wanted to come with you know, an emotional spirit. these are good christian folks. so, but you overhear conversations about folks saying i didn't want to come. the woman i was telling you about, she said her husband parade on it for three days and decided this wasn't the event for him. she said she wanted to come to show support for the church community. though he was warmly welcomed, i think he was welcomed because he was a guest in this church and that's how church folks are going to welcome guests, they are. politi politics politicians. i think most weren't converted, but i think they appreciate it. at least from the energy and feel from the crowd.

they did appreciate his words. he put those sheets of paper down and spoke on message, on script. clearly given his track record had help with that. hit on a lot of good points. the folks you have to imagine knew would resognate with this group. but i don't think there were many converts. they wanted to come and offer their spirit. >> you know, one thing that i would point out in response to what you say u there is even for someone who speaks as loudly as donald trump does, i think actions still speak louder than words and given his background as the person who really led the birther movement against the start, in the real estate business instructing his managers to mark see on applications for colored and denying housing to people based on the color of their skin. ipg that long list of his 70 years this planet is a hard thing to do. when i say it's too little too late. not just talking about this campaign. showing concern for this community.

lost on these voters. the department of justice. lawsuits into the housing practices. more recently. the folks i've talked to say they feel disrespected, what else do you have to lose. >> a bit of reporting, the attempt to sort of pull professionalize the trump campaign, which is a little high level circuits. it hasn't been an operation -- tlfrs rnc output. our reporting on this, early on, it was an event put together by

the campaign. it was not organized. rnc staffing did come into play. free wheeling on its own. you can see that it does appear that rnc staff stepped in, revud or i don't know if they prepared this statement, but it's a statement that was vetted through the channels. i think what you're seeing here is an attempt by the republican national committee and minority staff on the committee to pull this campaign back on to a normal track. what we've seen the that when that happens, it doesn't take long before trump goes freelance. and so that's off script. >> yes. all right. gosh, such a welcome to have all three of you. tremayne, you out in the field, joy, crystal, you guys are welcome on my show 24/7. thank you guys so much. also coming up in my next hour,

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firks out to kerry staanders. he is in virginia beach where he has been struggle tog stay upright. >> you can see what it's like as i try to walk in the winds here. kind of gusting, so now i'm walking and now, i can't walk, wait a second here. got to get my footing, so, the winds are gusting in excess of 55 miles an hour. and then for some reason in this particular area here, it seems to have created some sort of tunnel because it's hard er to walk here than in just about everywhere else we've been along the beach. really a lot of people here are watching this closely. i'm out here and lots of other people are enjoy thg walk through. see, now, i can walk normal. about 31,000 have lost power. because of these winds. some trees are down as you can imagine with these sort of winds and then, you have the problem of people who should probably not be out driving. the authorities recommending

that people limit their time outside and you can see as i walk up heerk going to take you doeover and show you what peopl are looking at. that is the water here. we have the thorts here beeping their horn. telling people they want them to get off the beach. there's a reason for that. as you see the people on the beach getting perhaps a little too close, this is sort of the highest tide that we've seen all day and the waves come in, but every once in a while, there could be a rogue wave that comes in and a rogue wave could be the greatest danger. we want to come over here, see if we can get the police officer to roll down his window and ask him a question as we're here. with nbc news, on the air now. what are you telling people to do. >> get out of the water. >> danger is? >> rip currents. >> great. have you had any b problems today, with r people mostly following your rules? >> yeah, everybody's being good. the police are out here doing their job, trying to make sure

people curiously looking down at the waters edge there are not putting themselves in danger. it's one thing to be up here on the board walk, another to be too close down there to the waters edge. that's sort of setting the scene for what is going to be a continuing situation lake this. day at least because we know out there, hermine is actually picking up strength. >> clearly. you're barely anyone to stand up and those three guys, they're now just coming off the water, but while they were in it, i was quite worried they were going get pulled in. nobody ought to be b near the beach there. just for everybody who may have seen the earlier broadcast, john harwood was talking about there was a big bruce springsteen concert, that has been canceled. >> there's a lot of disappointed people here. they bought their hotel rooms.

they're this town. planned to go to the concert and there was also an american heritage music festival also canceled. for good reason. you don't need people out in their cars driving. these gusts can move a car over. sxwl appreciate the camera man trying to wipe away the water. >> wiper blade there. >> thaupg, kerry. and your camera man. now to msnbc moeteorologist bonnie schneider. >> in fact, the storm search threat for parts of nnlz ands virginia has increased. as well as the strength of hermine, so now, a post tropical storm meaning it doesn't have the same characteristics of a warm core, but don't let the name fool you. it's quite dangerous. 65 mile per hour maximumwinds. the movement to the east, northeast at 15, but then it's going to slow down. this is the latest track from the national hurricane center just in and i want to draw your attention to this. by sunday nikt, we could have

hurricane hermine once again. that's right. the water out here in the atlantic going over the gulf streak might sit long enough to intensify to a hurricane and not just for a brief period. from the hurricane center, that by supd night, possibly hurricane strength and that sticks around through tuesday. and even into early wednesday, a very strorng tropical storm, so that wha this means is a raised threat and concern for coastal flooding. right here across new jersey into virginia and certainly along long island and coastal sections. with hermine sitting here and stalling cut off from the jet stream, the storm has nowhere to go but rotate and loop around. as it does, we have an increaseded threat for storm surge, so this is new from the advisory we just got in. now, 3 to 5 feet from virginia all the way to new jersey. this is the flooding at the time of high tide. so, coastal residents particularly for atlantic city,

cape may, ocean city, maryland. this is where we're looking at some of the biggest storm surges. seaside heights, high storm surge. lots of people like to look at the ocean during these systems, but you never want to go in. the waves look angry and are going to stay that way for days until hermine eventually moves out, but that's not going to be closer to thursday. we have the warning in effect to montauk. so a long lasting storm period period. >> we were just showing you seaside heights. we're going to take you back there for a live report and see b about the effects. we'll be back there live in just a moment.

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started along the new jersey coast as hermine makes its way up the eastern sea board. the storm has left quite a path of destruction in there has, as well as the carolinas. also slammed southeast georgia where more than 36,000 remain without power. tammy lightener is in seaside heights. as you know, so what's it like out there right now? >> the winds just keep picking up out here. it's getting really gusty and if you look out at the water, you can see the waves, they've increased all morning. createded very dangerous rip tides. there are a few people on the beach. but not a whole lot. they're going up and down the beach, patrolling, telling people to stay out of the water. it's a little chilly, so not sure who would dpo in water, but they want to keep emp out. it's dangerous out there. just a short while ago, we spoke

with the mayor. he said they have preps going on all morning. they are preparing for this hoping that it doesn't get too bad. alex? >> okay, thank you so much. we'll be watching closely with your help what's going on there. new scrutiny, the questions being raised after fbi notes released from an interview with hillary clinton over her e-mail server and what those notes reveal. plus, the breaking news on hermine, the state of emergency as well as the demand to new jersey residents. introducing new olay eyes.

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abraham lincoln, the great abraham lincoln, was a republican. has been the great es on of my life. it was on his legacy that i hope to build the future of the party but more important, the future of the country and the community. i believe we need a civil rights agenda for our time. one that ensure it is rights to a great education, so important and the right to liver in safe and in peace. >> now, gary johnson, libertarian nominee for president. good to see you. thank you so much for joining me. >> thank you. >> all right, i would like to first get to your campaign. your candidacy. i want to ask you about your thoughts about trump's appearance in detroit today. what do you think is the point of what he's doing and how effective is it going to be? >> i don't know. i mean, him going to mexico, i'd rather you know, focus a little bit on that.

because i know something about that. the fact he wants to still deport 11 million workers. in new mexico, that's not going to work well. 50% of the population in new mexico is hispanic. that's going to involve checking papers. every other house, we're going to check papers and undocumented wok workers that go back 20, 30 years ago, a lot of those workers have bought homes. they've had kids who have had kids and they're going to be sent back to mexico. this is not a good thing at all. the it's a horrible, horrible scenario. that apparently, will get played out in new mexico. >> okay, though relative gary to what's going on there in detroit today, trump polling 2% in the african-american community. we know about uphill climbs. what kind of climb does he have

to siphon off some other votes? >> i think it is an uphill climb. what i'm saying regarding all lives matter. all lives matter, but black lives matter. black lives matter because black rs being shot at the rate of six types that if you're white. if you're arrested on drug related crime and you are of color, there's a four times more likelihood that you're going to go to prison than if not. the things strump trump says are really trying to ignore that issue, trying to take away from the awareness that needs to be, that all of us need to focus on. i think we've had our heads in the sand on this issue and i put myself out there as first and foremost. i've add my head in the sand on this issue not recognizes this

discrimination that takes place. i think he has an uphill battle and what he says belays what the reality is. >> all right, let's get to uphill battles. getting you to a debate stage. you're polling at 10%. you know you're supposed to get to 15 before you can get there, but you are well aware that polling shows a majority of voters think you should get to deba debate. so what needs to change to bripg the procedures in line with public sentiment? how should the commission hand third party candidates and do you think quour going to get fo one of these three debate sns. >> alex, an investor business dale by poll came out yesterday that had me at 12%. if you do the math on that, that's 15 million voters. the issue is just appear ng top line of the polls. my name in 50% of the polls is appeari ining as the third or fh

question on the list, then 99% of the media just reports on the top line. trump and clinton. so 70% of america doesn't know i'm running in the race. ipg this bodes well for more support because myself and -- we've been there. done that. fiscally skeptical when it comes to military intervention. supporting free trade. that's a combination that neither hillary clinton or donald trump has. >> his first debate is three weeks from monday night, so if you don't qualify, what's your plan then? >> you keep plugging away. it's not an end of f the clock ticking meaning that the polls still will continue and i think

that 15%, look, we're ratcheting up the polls. if it's not 15 in the first debate, it will be there after, but very quickly, 12% investor business daily poll, that's 15 million voters. i don't know how the presidential debate commission ignores that and how about an edict that for those final polls that my name son the top line and not the third or fourth line. if it's on the top line, hey, i'm maintaining. i'm in. >> how do you convince voters though that a vote for you while may adhere to their moral guidance, moral conscious and how they feel about this election, is not necessarily going to result in a win in seeing you in the white house. much as i know you want to be there and there are plenty of people who would love to see you there, but for the majority of vote rs that cast their vote for you, it may not happen. >> a wasted vote is voting for

somebody you don't believe in. keep in mind that 50% of all people that are going to register to vote right now are registering as independents. where is that representation? i happen the to think it's a big six lane highway down the middle that's being occupied by two former republican governors that severed in heavily democrat states that got re-elected. look, you don't have to guess as to whether or not we would be effective. we've been there, done that. i don't think anyone can argue we didn't make a positive difference in both states. new mexico, massachusetts. >> you make a good point. ipg a lot of people will applaud both of you for your ability to leave in a very bipartisan fashion in both states. thanks so much. best of luck. look forward to talking with you again. >> thank you very much. all right, we're going to take you back to detroit right now. donald trump and ben carson. they are speaking with people

out on the trail. as they're making their way around detroit. let's take a listen. >> we be about ready to go. it's up for sale. >> very nice. >> i'll send you a copy of art of the deal. the first book before i went on the show. >> thank you very much. >> excellent. are you guys going to interinterview. >> good luck. you have a nice time here. >> you, too, watch that bee. >> church tomorrow. >> so beautiful. >> have a wonderful time. very blessed. >> he's a great man. today. oh, okay. you guys have a great time. >> thank you. >> be safe. >> vote trump. don't forget when you go to the polls! seems like donald trump is doing what was on the schedule. which is something of a walking tour in parts there of detroit. we're going to bring you more of that as we get the information.

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more on donald trump's visit to detroit. after participating in the regularly scheduled service. >> when anyone hurt, we all hurt together and that's so true. so true. we're all brothers and sisters and we're all created by the same god. we just love each other and support each other and we are in this all together. >> joining me is contributor to nbc news.com and victoria, head of the mexican american studies

at university of texas. and welcome to you both. we are going to get to talk about trump's immigration in just a minute, but i want your takes on his speech in detroit. victoria? zpl he showed up and i've got to give him credit for that. so a couple of weeks ago, we saw him talking about black issues, but only to white audiences and now, he does this, but the key is does he keep doing this or is this the exception that confirms the rule. if he goes out and talk to white audience and smeeks to a minority audience, then he's given it the old college try. >> maybe ooum not as optimistic as vicki. you have to remember, from the beginning, he was wup of the leading proponent of the idea that president obama was not a legitimate president, so we know coming in this is a tough sell. to me, when i see trump giving that speech, notice in the clip

you played, he's reading his ipad, focused on what seemed to be pre paired remarks. that's not the donald trump we've known over the past 15 months, to me, that does not strike me in any way as authentic trump. maybe as panicking about his numbers and it's giving it a college try to try to do damage control. >> okay. now let's get to immigration. so, victoria, want too play for you what mr. trump told our affiliate in philadelphia. here it is. >> once the border is secure and we've stopped this horrible flow of illegal immigration, once that's all done oaf a period of time, we sit back, we see br wr is the country, what's happening and make a determination for the people that are here that weren't criminal, other than the

fact they came in illegally and we make that determination at a future date. hopefully, it will be positive. >> so, is this part of the softening that trump has been talking about at different points over the last week? >> the truth of the matter is i haven't seen much change in trump's rhetoric. and also his actual policy plan about immigration. i went back and looked at the plan he posted and he hasn't changed. what he just told the affiliate sounds like what the gang of eight a couple of years ago put forward in their immigration reform program. the bill says we need to secure the border, we have to have 90% security. the border. and then we can get to the issue of those persons living here without papers. trump has a different idea. he wants to send everyone back and have them reapply. but that idea, that focus on the border before getting to undocumented persons is a lot

like the plan that's been proposed. >> i want to play for you something and for our viewer, there's a sound bite that got a lot of o attention this week. it's from joy reed's interview with the founder of latinos for trump. >> we need to understand this is, this is a different time and we're having problems here. >> what problems? >> my culture is a very dominant culture and it's imposing and causing problems. if you don't do something abt, you're going to have taco trucks every corner. >> you have u to sort of follow the bouncing ball here because on the one hand, you have some trump advisers saying we're reconsidering our support lt what was your reaction? >> to be honest, i live on the upper west side of manhattan. there is a taco truck on my corner and i love it. so, any way, when i see this, why are these latino supporters of trump reconsidering because despite the rhetoric, there's really been no change and what

should be very concerning to republicans right now, we just had yesterday new polling out for latino decisions. donald trump has negative net 53 arooufl ratings, but more worrisome for the gop, 73% of latinos say' the gop does not care about latinos or is hostile to them. that's a big problem going forward. we have politicians who have a future looking ahead to 2020 who still support trump, so this is going to be a big problem for the party going forward. i feel like this gentlemen, maybe he's misguided. i think the best we could say ta this look, the la thety know electorate is very diverse. we have all kinds of views, but he's very much of a in the minority. and just to remind people, so much attention given to trump this week r in for his speech, his general idea is not the american mainstream. 84% of americans do favor a path to citizenship. >> okay.

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