good day, everyone! i'm alex witt here at msnbc world headquarters in new york. it is high noon in the east, 9:00 a.m. out west, and here's what's happening. the stretch run in the race for the white house. new questions today on hillary clinton's campaign strategy and donald trump's outreach to black voters. >> if everybody apologized for all the things they said in politics, all we'd be doing on television shows is apologizing. >> rudy giuliani facing

questions about his candidate's church visit. >> i have sat with her while she has answered questions, while she's answered questions about what she did and why, and then she said, look, by using one device, i made a mistake. i apologize for it. >> and democratic vice presidential nominee tim kaine on his running mate's e-mail server and when we can expect a news conference. it's all new today. stalled off the coast. once hurricane hermine remains a threat to the mid-atlantic and the northeast. the latest forecast in a moment. face-off on the tarmac. new details after a chinese official confronts a member of the u.s. delegation as president obama arrives for the g-20 summit. but first, politics. new reaction from former new york city mayor rudy giuliani on whether donald trump should apologize for raising questions about president obama's national origin. >> should he just apologize for this to let, if he really wants

to reach out to minority voters? >> you know, if everybody apologized for all the things they said in politics, all we'd be doing on television shows is apologizing. maybe a lot of the democrats should apologize for calling donald trump's a racist and calling him all kinds of terrible names. it gets a little silly. let's get down to the basic issue here. for years, people say republicans don't reach out to the african-american community. well, he reached out to the african-american community. >> his comments come a day after trump's visit to detroit, which was meant to attract african-american voters. here's what bishop jackson told my colleague, reverend al sharpton on "politics nation" this morning on what's next for trump in this endeavor. >> i'm asking that people talk to marc morial, urban league, asked if i would talk to you. i said, these are men that you need to sit down and talk to them. i said, would you talk to cornell brooks, naacp, and also

dr. chavis of the national newspaper publishers association. he said, i would do that. i really believe that he's trying to come in and do what's right. >> renewed concerns from some republicans over trump's down-ballot effect. here's arizona congressman jeff flake this morning. >> if the election were held today, for whom would you vote? >> i would not vote for hillary clinton. and as of now, i would still not vote for donald trump. >> meanwhile, vice presidential nominee mike pence is hitting back at hillary clinton over the latest revelations in those papers from the fbi detailing its interview with the democratic nominee about her e-mail. here's what he told my colleague, chuck todd, this morning. >> it's just more evidence that hillary clinton is the most dishonest candidate for president of the united states since richard nixon. >> it's a tough charge. >> it is a tough charge, chuck, but come on. it all truly does disqualify her from serving as president of the united states.

>> and here's tim kaine's reaction to the fbi's notes. >> she did make a mistake, and she made it by deciding she wanted to use one device, rather than multiple devices. she's apologized for that. she said it was a mistake. and she's learned from it. but these notes, which hillary urged be made public, demonstrate clearly why the fbi saw no need for additional criminal proceedings. >> and in the swing state of virginia, the "richmond times-dispatch" is not endorsing hillary clinton or donald trump, instead urging voters to pick libertarian nominee gary johnson. nbc's hallie jackson is in new york. she is covering donald trump. hallie with a good day to you, trump's surrogates made the morning show rounds today, all asked about immigration. have we learned anything new on where exactly trump stands, whether or not he's going to deport 11 million undocumented immigrants or not? >> short answer, no. the long answer is the evidence from the surrogates has been, at least since today, yesterday,

the day before, that we've got to secure the border first in donald trump's view and then deal with these estimated 11 million, with many of the surrogates saying, hey, listen, why are we focusing so much on the noncriminal undocumented immigrants? that's something the campaign will talk about privately, too, the emphasis on the undocumented immigrants who haven't committed other crimes when trump wants to focus, as he's said, on prioritizing violent criminals and others here. mike pence, trump's running mate, was asked by our colleague, chuck todd, about this again and again and again and again on "meet the press," and each time, pence sort of dmered on this. and i want to tell you, too, what chris christie, the new jersey governor, had to say, making his rounds, by the way, as a surrogate. christie hasn't been as visible in that role lately. listen. >> donald trump is going to get rid of very early on the 2 million to 3 million criminals that are here illegally in this country. that will be priority number one. and once we remove those 2 million to 3 million from the country, return them to their countries of origin because of their criminal conduct, then i think what donald trump wants to do is take a deep breath and

look at where we are in the country then and find a humane way to deal with those who remain. so, i think what he's talking about is a pause. >> so, there's chris christie sticking with that line that we have heard over these last three to four days, even after donald trump in his big immigration speech in phoenix last week came down very tough, arguing again as he has in the past that anyone in this country illegally should not be allowed to stay. i have to note that what trump is doing, what his surrogates are doing, what his team is doing is coming more in line, frankly with what we've seen from mainstream, more moderate republicans who want to see this, who are against this idea of mass deportation, including people who want to see tougher immigration policies overall. i've spoken with a number of them in the last week or so, some of trump's own hispanic surrogates who are upset with his tone on wednesday night. so it appears as though donald trump is moving more towards, listen, i hate to say softening, but it's a word trump himself

used. so moving more towards a softening of his stance, but still a question mark on what exactly he would do. alex? >> sounds like he wants to take a bold step and then take a pause, at least according to chris christie. we will see, hallie jackson, if that changes. joining me, michel alsandor and mark caputo. hey, good to see you guys. yamish, i know you were in the church during the trump service yesterday in detroit. you have written about it today. so, how would you characterize all the reaction to his presence and his message? >> based on the people that i've talked to, people are really actually pretty receptive to his message. people thought he didn't go in and said what have you got to lose? he said, african-americans have been discriminated against. we need a new civil rights agenda for this generation. he's talked about the fact that the african-american church has really been a big part of the civil rights movement and he understands the importance of that. so really, even the people that i've talked to afterwards, people who were still in some ways going to vote for hillary clinton, they said you know

what, what donald trump did today, he showed that he could at least make some sense, that he could really talk about the issues that are important to our country and important to black people in america. so the reception has been pretty positive. the campaign, i talked to an official who said "i loved it." he said he thought it couldn't have gone any better for donald trump. >> okay. but yamiche, what about all of the controversy about the birther movement and the, you know, very, very strong rhetoric? donald trump really kept that as a focal point. is that something that he should apologize for, to try to make further inroads in the african-american community? and by the way, rudy giuliani earlier, he said no, he doesn't necessarily have to apologize for that. do you agree? >> i think that for the masses, the majority of the people that i've talked to, he's going to need to really apologize for that and also apologize for having discriminatory housing policies. he's going to have to apologize for some people bringing up the fact that there's this perception that he didn't want african-american people counting his money because he knows that

he owns, in the hotels that he owns. so i think he will have to make a lot of apologies and also i think he would have to have more time if he really wants to make the inroads in the african-american community, that he really needs to make to make a substantial difference. i think african-americans, even though they were receptive of his visit yesterday in that moment, in that singular way, people do not -- have not for t forgotten kind of donald trump's really, the controversies that he's been in with african-americans across this country. so in that regard, i think that -- i don't know if this is going to really move the bar much for him. i should just say it was just that one moment that i was talking about. and people also felt that the whole controversy of it being scripted and whether or not the question-and-answer period was really going to be genuine, all that also went into this as being kind of a conspiracy theory that people thought that he was just, you know, coming in and not really -- just wanting to have this message that was not going to be something that was really going to be genuine. but i should say that people were still receptive of his message when they heard his ten-minute speech. they said, donald trump, whoever wrote that or if he wrote it

himself, he's making sense today. >> okay. mark, i want your read on this. and also, does a moment like this in a campaign reach people in a swing state, like say florida? >> i think yamiche is right, it's essentially too little, too late. mason and association in florida shows donald trump is losing the black vote there by 91%-5%. that's an astounding amount of hemorrhaging he's doing in the black community. hillary clinton's doing as well as the first black president on his re-election against donald trump. so that gives you an idea of just how disliked donald trump is in the black community. my wife, by the way, is a title 1 schoolteacher. some of her kids, who are predominantly african-american, they learn from their parents how much they hate donald trump. some of them actually thought donald trump wants to deport black people back to africa. these are kids and they're not necessarily well informed, but it gives you the idea of the kind of word on the street among black people and black voters.

if this works, i'd be astounded, because the numbers are just terrible for donald trump. >> yeah. another question here about florida, mark, because it's so critical and i know you've written a lot about it in the past, how many offices does donald trump have there? can he win the state with that number? >> well, it looks like the number remains one. and it was one last month when we wrote about it and they kept promisetion to open up dozens more by september 1st. well, that came and went and he's apparently still at one. hillary clinton, meanwhile, has 51 field offices. we'll test whether an on-the-ground campaign matters because rision right now donald trump doesn't appear to have one and hillary clinton does. >> yamiche, let's switch topics to the hillary clinton campaign. your colleague at the "times" wrote "where has hillary clinton been? ask the ultrarich." and what is that all about and is that going to change? >> i think this article -- i don't think it's going to change in some ways. hillary clinton's campaign has

said she's going to be more accessible. this morning tim kaine was talking about the idea that she's going to have herself out more and will be answering, i guess more questions from reporters. but really, this is about my colleagues were writing about the idea that hillary clinton has really taken questions from the ultrarich. she spent a lot of time fund-raising, a lot of time in circles taking pictures with justin timberlake. so really, people feel as though, and the article shows, that she's really spent a lot of time in these circles kind of making sure that she could get the money she needed to go toward november, but in terms of reporters, people are still very deeply frustrated in the fact that she hasn't held a formal press conference in something like more than 200 days. so it really goes to kind of who is she really answering to and questioning to. and it goes to the idea of credibility. one of the issues that comes up over and over again is whether or not people trust hillary clinton and her polesters and inside the campaign will realize whether or not people can still trust her after stories like this come out or whether or not they need to change something. >> marc, speaking of change, assess that strategy for us. also a comment from one of your

colleagues at politico, an article suggesting hillary clinton's handlers are preparing for a landslide win. >> well, yeah, it's certainly a good way to lose is to expect you're going to win. but if you look at the polling, hillary clinton's winning florida, she's winning virginia, she's winning ohio, she's winning pennsylvania, she's winning nevada, and she's winning colorado. at what point should the hillary clinton campaign not think they're going to win? yeah, i agree that she's spending a lot of time with the rich and powerful and not the common man of the press, but right now her play it safe strategy has worked. will it continue to work? we'll see. >> look, it's september 4th. it would be another thing if these were the numbers in november, four days before the election, right? i mean -- >> right. but what you're not seeing is donald trump really change his stripes, is that he continually is being portrayed in much of the press as being someone who's about to pivot and instead his pivots are pier rouettes and he spins around 360 degrees. so he doesn't appear to have done the things needed to change the poll numbers significantly.

yes, there is national tightening. hillary clinton's poll numbers are kind of coming down. there is this closing of the race. but right now if you had to bet and you looked at the polling, hillary clinton looks like a much safer bet than donald trump. >> okay. mark caputo and yamiche alcindor, thank you so much for your time. what was once hurricane hermine is regaining strength and slowly moving up the eastern seaboard, making quite a mess of this holiday weekend. two people were killed and hundreds of thousands of residents lost power as the storm packing high winds and heavy rains barreled from florida to virginia. officials are calling this storm life-threatening. and governors all along the east coast are announcing emergency preparations. hermine, in fact, is expected to regain hurricane strength as it creeps northward. we have several reports for you. meteorologist bonnie schneider's tracking the storm. nbc's gabe gutierrez is in ocean city, maryland. but let's begin with nbc's tammy leitner in seaside heights, new jersey, for us. tammy, with a good day to you.

earlier this morning, the pretty strong winds were driving higher tides. what's it look like now? >> reporter: alex, the wind is still whipping, not as bad as it was this morning. the surf is about 6 to 8 feet. the tide came in earlier. you can see up here it got all the way up almost to the boardwalk there. and the one thing that you'll notice is there's not a soul on this beach, and that's because they are doing a very good job of keeping everybody off of it. the beach patrol has been patrolling all morning. we got a chance to go on one of those patrols earlier, and they told me one of the biggest concerns was the rip current. they want to make sure that nobody is out here, because it can hit very, very quickly. let's go ahead and listen to what the chief had to say when we were on that patrol. is the tide normally this high? >> no, it's not. at this point, because it's from the northeast, we'll start having beach erosion and the water will probably come up, not so much today, but tonight's high tide will more likely hit the boardwalk. >> reporter: he talked about beach erosion. now, i'm not sure if you can see

this, but about 20 feet beyond where i am, towards the surf, it actually drops off. there is a cliff. and it's about 4 to 5 feet, and that's from beach erosion, mainly over the last 24 hours. so quite dangerous for anybody out here. alex? >> okay, something that those folks there in new jersey along the coast have become very familiar with, beach erosion. thank you so much for that, tammy. joining me now, msnbc meteorologist bonnie schneider, who's tracking this storm. so, you heard it, coastal flooding. that's a big danger. what areas on the east coast do you see as being most vulnera e vulnerable? >> i would say south jersey all the way to delaware. that's where we're looking for the potential for major flooding. the rest will be minor to moderate. here's our storm. and when you're talking about a posttropical cyclone, not surprising that a lot of the convection is spread apart and elongated as you see here. that's actually quite typical for these systems. you don't get the symmetrical look you see in a hurricane, for example, and it's more tropical. right now the storms is almost 300 miles south-southeast of

montauk, long island. winds are now at 70 miles per hour. so as predicted, hermine has gotten stronger. now, luckily, the models are taking it further out to the east but not quite yet. it's still going to make that turn to the north and then to the north-northwest for tomorrow. and that's when we look at the biggest danger for flooding as we get closer to labor day itself. the low's still hundreds of miles offshore, but there's a pretty wide wind field for this storm, and it's just not pushing off to sea as soon as we'd like. so, because of that, we're going to see the rough surf right along the coastline, across maryland and into delaware, virginia as well, and then northward as we head to long island, we'll look for moderate coastal flooding along the south shore. so some of the heaviest flooding will be to the south in south jersey, as i mentioned, possibly up to 5 feet at the time of high tide, a little bit lighter for new england. but keep in mind, the winds will be strong right along the coast for tonight and for tomorrow. so while we're looking at hermine pushing further away from us in the days to come, we still have to get through tonight and tomorrow, alex,

before we could really see the bulk, at least of the danger of the storm, subside. >> bonnie, thanks so much. we'll check in shortly again with you. losing support. is donald trump's rhetoric toward the latino community damaging his election hopes? i'll ask a trump supporter and immigration lawyer about that and more. hmmmmmm..... hmmmmm... [ "dreams" by beck ] hmmmmm... the turbocharged dream machine. thvolkswagen golf gti. named one of car and driver's 10best, 10 years in a ro 80% try to eat healthy, yet up to 90% fall short in getting key nutrients from food alone. let's do more. add one a day men's gummies. complete with key nutrients plus b vitamins to help convert food into fuel. one a day.

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new reaction from donald trump's campaign manager on whether the candidate and mexico's president had a conversation about who will pay for the border wall during their meeting this past week. >> mexico's president, pena nieto, says he told trump mexico will not pay for the wall. is president pena nieto lying? >> well, they disagree on that conversation, but i think mr. trump clarified very clearly when he got to arizona later in that day that he will build that wall, and he has been consistent

on that since day one of his candidacy, and he will have mexico pay for it. so his position has not changed. >> halicia mcqueen is a trump supporter. welcome to you. as you know, he lost several of his hispanic advisory board members since his speech in arizona, given just hours after that visit with president pena nieto. do you understand why many people have abandoned him? >> well, i think, alex -- first of all, thank you for having me here. i really appreciate it, having this opportunity to talk about trump, because i think there are a lot of misconceptions about what trump is really trying to accomplish. and first of all, the people that decided to walk away, they had their own personal reasons for doing that. i can't speak to whether or not i agree with those personal reasons or not, but i will say, as far as i'm concerned, i think donald trump has been very consistent. and i say that because, one, i'm an immigration attorney, and i know the immigration law in and

out. i also negotiate a lot for my clients on a daily basis. and what i see is what trump has done is that he knows about negotiation. he stood up there with the mexican president, and he looked very presidential, he was very, very in negotiation mode, which is what i would call it because i've done that several times. you have to know that when you go into a negotiation, you do not go in with what you disagree on, and you do not discuss what you disagree with in the first meeting. that is a no-no. anybody who knows negotiations knows that. and so, when he did that, i really -- it seoactually solidid my commitment to trump because i know he knows what he's doing. another thing is that he really knows immigration. he knows immigration law. with his ten-point plan, he really went into detail and he knows the law. and that is something that clinton has not done, and frankly, no other politician i have seen that has gone into such detail about what he plans

to do. >> okay, but in terms of, say foreign policy relations, you heard martha raddatz asking kellyanne conway, was the mexican president then lying when he said that he told donald trump at the beginning of the conversation mexico's not paying for this wall? >> he may have done that. the mexican president may have done that. but it also shows me that he does not know how to negotiate. i mean, this is not -- you know, this is not a situation where you want to go in and you want to start -- you want to blow up a relationship before it even starts. you want to go in and you want to negotiate and you want to set a good precedent for being able to meet again and to discuss the issues that are important. when you go in, you talk about things you agree on, and that's exactly what they did. >> okay. you talk about these ten points here of donald trump's plan. i want to play for you what arizona congressman jeff flake said this morning about trump's immigration policy. here it is. >> there really isn't any, you know, any clear indication of

whether or not, for example, kids who are brought across the border when they were 2 years old, the so-called dreamers, whether they would be forced to go back to mexico. just saying that you're going to build a wall and make mexico pay for it is not a serious policy proposal. >> so, you're an immigration lawyer. how would you advise donald trump, particularly on this plan, on the dreamers, as he heads into the debates? >> so, let's talk about really what the president's role is. as part of the executive branch, anybody who knows anything about the constitution knows that article 2 of the constitution grants power to the executive branch in order for them to enforce the laws. that's their main job. and so, his policies should reflect that. there shouldn't be a presidential candidate that's coming out and saying they're going to violate the laws. so, i think it's very consistent. and also, even when he said there was a softening of his position, truly what he was saying was, hey, if congress decides they want to come in and do something about this because the laws do not address this right now -- and right now they

are supposed to be deported. that is the law. and so, if congress comes in and they have something that makes sense and puts americans first, then i am sure donald trump would consider it and approve it. >> how about the sound bite i want to play for you, something that our viewers know got a lot of attention this week. it's from my colleague, joy reid's interview with the founder of latinos for trump. here's that. >> we need to understand that this is a different time and we're having problems here. we need -- >> what problems? what problems are you talking about? >> my culture is a very dominant culture. it's imposing and it's causing problems. if you don't do something about it, you're going to have taco trucks every corner. >> how do you defend this rhetoric from a trump supporter when he's struggling with latino voters? >> well, again, i cannot answer for what he was thinking when he was talking about -- and i don't know the context of it, frankly. but i will say this, you know, trump knows negotiation.

trump knows immigration more than any other candidate knows, and he has a solid plan for enforcing the laws, and that is what his job is. his job is not to create laws. and as you can see, president obama's executive order -- you know, the supreme court just recently struck that down, saying that it was unconstitutional. he went outside of his power. so, do we want to continue that, or do we want to have a president that understands that and understands that that's his job, to enforce the laws. and that's exactly what he's putting out. >> immigration attorney jalesia mcqueen. thank you so much. >> thank you. tracki ining hermine. it is leaving plenty of danger behind and waters off the northeast this holiday weekend. nutritional needs... all in one. purina one. healthy energy, all in one. strong muscles, all in one. highly digestible, and a taste he loves, all in one. purina one smartblend is expertly blended...

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hermine has regained strength after being downgraded from a category 1 hurricane when it first hit florida on friday. this is drone video of a flooded downtown area there. hundreds of thousands of people lost power in that state. and then check out some new drone footage. an alligator point in florida hit hard by the hurricane. the onrushing surf washing out a 5,000-foot stretch of road along that peninsula. nbc's gabe gutierrez is in ocean city, maryland, where there's a bit more sunshine today than there was yesterday. gabe, with a good day, weather took a different turn where you are, didn't it? >> reporter: yeah, that's right, alex. it has been much nicer day today than it was yesterday. some of the tourists we've spoken with say they're pleasantly surprised when they woke up this morning and saw that sunrise. but big concern here today is rip currents. the beach patrol has been on patrol, really trying to keep people out of the water. but as you can see, it is busier today, much busier than yesterday, but not as busy as

you would typically see on a labor day weekend. some of the businesses we've spoken with say there's already been a major economic impact. one ice cream shop opener said he took an 80% hit yesterday and is hoping to recoup some of that today. again, people here on the boardwalk. when we got here yesterday, there was heavy winds and pounding rain, and we spoke to some people that were really thinking about leaving here. and family after family that did either cancel their reservation and go back home. let's take a listen to what they had to say yesterday. >> it is horrendous. the wind picked up last night. we were playing miniature golf. it was taking our ball all over the place. and you know, we don't want to stay with this weather. we planned for this all summer. we're very disappointed. we come this week to ocean city all the time. this is first time this has happened to us. >> we saw on the news the damage it was doing in florida, and we talked to my mother-in-law this morning and the damage that it was doing in south carolina. we saw the storm path was going to go the whole way up the east coast, so we thought we'd better

get out now and go to safety. we're about two hours west of here, so we wanted to get out of the way of the storm. >> reporter: so, even the high tide yesterday did not bring much flooding to this particular area here in ocean city, but now the concern is as hermine churns offshore, it's going to head north. it's forecast to head north, and there is potential threat for new jersey and perhaps southern new england. so millions of people still watching this storm, alex, as it heads offshore in the atlantic. back to you. >> i think it may just be good for those folks who want to fly kites. i think i saw two girls running behind you during your live shot. that would be a good idea. thank you, gabe. questions about handling sensitive information. is hillary clinton and her supporters avoiding the big picture concerning her personal e-mail server? i'll ask congressman from california and democrat john here mindi about that and more. f diabetic nerve pain, these feet played shortstop in high school, learned the horn from my dad and played gigs from new york to miami. but i couldn't bear my diabetic nerve pain

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states, including pennsylvania, where she's ahead by eight points. in north carolina, clinton holds a four-point lead over donald trump. let's bring in california congressman john garamendi. and with a welcome to you, and always nice to see you, sir. >> sure, alex. >> let's get to labor secretary tom perez, certainly an ally of clinton's. he went to bat for the secretary on the e-mail issue this morning. here's a piece of that. >> listen, it was secretary clinton who wanted all these documents to be released because she wanted to make sure that everything was out there. she has said many times that she should not have had a personal server. she accepts responsibility for that. and the reason she wanted these reports released is because they show that the justice department conducted a very, very thorough review and concluded that there was no reason to move forward. >> congressman, as you know, we have heard this argument about the personal server from a number of clinton surrogates as well as from the candidate herself, but isn't that perhaps missing the main point, or maybe intentionally avoiding it? isn't the real issue about the

handling of sensitive information? >> i don't think that's the issue at all. there's no indication that sensitive information was compromised in any way. it's been thoroughly reviewed. but what we do know is that the state department's e-mail systems were hacked, and they were not secure. but there is no evidence whatsoever that there was any hacking of the clinton e-mail systems. but that's really beside the point. what we're looking at here is what has to be done in the future, and that is the united states government's programs, whether it's the military, state department or any other system, has to be made secure. and that's an enormous challenge that, frankly, has not yet been met in any of the governmental departments. so we need to really move forward on that score. but there's also another issue here, and that is, what about donald trump? if we want to talk about openness and honesty and full disclosure, where are his tax returns?

don't give me this audit business. he's never even bothered to say which of his annual returns are being audited. are all of them? if they're not, then show us the ones that are not being audited. and by the way, auditing is not an excuse at all for not disclosing. >> i should point out that his vp nominee, mike pence, has said that he will release his tax returns. he did not say when. and he said after the audit process has been completed. >> right, audit, audit, audit. >> i do want to talk about, though, fbi notes, back to clinton here. >> sure. >> because she says she did not recall or didn't know about 39 times in her interview. look, you're a clinton supporter, but do you understand why even this interview has not answered all of her critics' questions about the e-mails? and can you suggest what might finally put this story to bed? >> yeah, her successful election. this is an issue that the republicans, and particularly trump, has latched on to, because there are, frankly, very few other issues, made a big deal out of it. but listen, recalling some of those questions, if you go

through the 39 of them, they have to do, do you recall being this or that. you know, after you come into an office, you're faced with an enormous challenge around the world as secretary of state, and many of those specific details about the administration of the office, that's somebody else's responsibility. yes, she did take responsibility for all of it. but let's take a very close look at what we're going to be faced with after the election. donald trump? are you serious? donald trump as president of the united states, with his hand on the trigger? i don't think so. policies that rip from one stid the other with no consistency whatsoever, seeming to just want to placate an audience, and then giving a speech in arizona that, frankly, i think most people have missed. it was a them causing us problems. it was really about demonizing a whole category of people that are critical to the united states past as well as its

future -- immigrants. forget about the ten details. look at the general tone of that conversation. that speech that he gave. fiery rhetoric designed to divide this nation. >> let's take a look at what's happening next week with secretary clinton. heading out to your turf in california to fund raise, which is something she's done a lot of lately. trump has been very critical of her for spending so much time off the campaign trail. do you think it is a mistake for her to keep a low profile at this stage, or do you think the campaign trail will take center stage going forward pretty soon? >> hey, tomorrow is labor day. the traditional start of the big rush towards the election. now, there's going to be plenty of notice about what's going on. there's going to be speech after speech, interview after interview by both candidates and every one of their surrogates, me included. it is going to be heavy duty going forward. august is always what they call the dog days of august. it's time to get your campaign organized and together, and on that account, let's take a look

at how donald trump runs an organization. two major changes in his organization in august. hillary clinton did exactly what she needs to do, and that is, get ready for the last two months. >> let's talk about what's happening on wednesday and getting ready for that, which as you know, both candidates will be sitting down with nbc's matt lauer for the commander in chief forum. as somebody who sits on the house armed services committee, and you're also a voter, what do you want to hear from both of them? >> well, i want to hear about how to deal with a very, very complex world in which we live. it doesn't do just to have a lot of highfalutin words. you've got to understand the details of this world, and it is complex. you've got china and the south china sea. you have north korea, kim jong-un. you've got all of the issues of the middle east. we need somebody that can really understand the complexity, and in that context, the role of the united states, not only with our

military and the essential role they play in our security, but also in our economy. how are we going to build our economy? what do we need to do for those people that have served over these men years in the national security arena as members of the department of defense, the veterans? we've seen enormous progress on the veterans side but still very, very much needs to be done going forward, particularly this issue of suicides. i really like this notion of 22. 22 push-ups, 22 days. good exercise, but much more important than that, it calls on us to understand that these men and women have been at war for at least 17 years and they suffer mightily from that in many ways, physical and mental. >> well, let's hope that issue is addressed, certainly. california congressman john garamendi on this labor day weekend. thank you for joining me, sir. >> thank you, alex. airport squabble. the exchange now hanging over the g-20 summit between chinese officials and white house staff. plus, reaction from president obama. and coming up at the top of the hour, a staunch critic of donald trump tells us the

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new reaction today to donald trump's trip to detroit and his first address there to a predominantly black audience. longtime trump friend and former new york city mayor rudy giuliani is defending the republican nominee and his struggling poll numbers among black voters. >> donald trump is the first republican since jack kemp and me to go into minority, poor communities, and say the democrats have failed you for 50 years, and you are reflexively giving them your vote and they're going from bad to worse.

food stamps have gone up 2 1/2 times under barack obama. he should be ashamed of himself! jobs should have gone up 2 1/2 times. >> let's bring in susan del percio, republican strategist and founder of susan del percio strategies, as well as howard dean, former vermont governor, former dnc chairman and an msnbc contributor. good to see you on a sunday. >> good to be with you. >> thanks. >> susan, as a republican yourself, what is your reaction to giuliani's comment there, and is that argument really going to fly with black voters? >> well, with what mayor giuliani said, the issue is you're supposed to have done that in the last year or two, like the autopsy from the republican national committee said after the mitt romney loss. that's when you build coalitions, in the off years. it's very hard to build a coalition 65 days before an election. but you know what, donald trump is right to go and meet with everybody, and it shows that he is. and it does two things. one we discussed the last time i was on is that it does appeal to

moderate republicans. the other is, is that it really speaks to some folks who feel that the clintons have taken their vote for granted, and maybe it suppresses turnout just a little bit in comparison to 2012. >> all right. what about talking with the media? because today marks 274 days since hillary clinton has held a press conference. that is the better part of a year, howard. why not talk to the press? what is her campaign afraid of or shying away from? >> let me talk briefly. i don't entirely agree with susan. i do agree that you've got to build coalitions before. rudy giuliani has almost no credibility whatsoever with the black community. he ran, for his two terms in new york, were a terrible two terms for race relations. and bloomberg, one of his great achievements was restoring a much better race relations than had been there previously. so he's probably the worst spokesman -- >> although he was able to build coalitions across all races because that's how he got

re-elected, and predominantly 6-1 democrat-to-republican city. that's the only way you do it. >> he barely got re-elected, and he got re-elected against a candidate who did not run as good a campaign. >> no, with record numbers, governor, with all due respect. in 1987, he got re-elected with record numbers. >> well, maybe record for a republican, but it was a pretty close race -- >> yes. >> anyway, we're not going to argue about 1996. but generally, rudy's record on race is not viewed terribly favorably in the black community. in terms of hillary's press conferences, i wouldn't hold a press conference either if i were hillary. it's just going to be a scrum about nonsense. you know, the more i look at this e-mail stuff and the foundation stuff, it is -- you know, there's not a single serious charge that any law has been broken, not one, except for the right-wing press. and i am just a little perplexed about why the sort of thoughtful people who think they're fair and reasonable and they're serious press is pursuing any of

this. so you know, hillary's going to do plenty of interviews and she's going to continue to do interviews. if the press conference is obsessed with things that don't matter and are basically made-up news, i'm not sure i'd have a news conference ever again. >> and you can understand that, but why not take the bull by the horns and why not school the press? >> because it doesn't work. the press just keeps at -- look, i've been in this position where they want to talk about stuff that makes headlines and gets their byline on the front page. hillary would probably like to talk about what we're going to do about education, how we're going to create jobs in this country and what we're going to do about the perceptions among americans that the system doesn't work fairly for them anymore. you think the press is going to ask any questions about that? i don't think so. >> no, they're going to ask questions about her e-mails and what revelations have come forward. and as many times as the governor says it's irrelevant, it is relevant to millions of americans, and it's one of the reasons why they don't trust her

and they find her, that she has not been handling national security issues with care. as a matter of fact, the fbi director, deemed her careless with that kind of information. so governor, i know that you are a firm hillary clinton supporter and you don't care about her e-mails, but the fact that she said i had one device and it turns out she had 13 blackberrys and 5 ipads and we don't even know what information was left on those -- those are relevant and real conversations to have with the american public. >> and howard:, can i just -- >> she had those devices sequentially, one at a time. and the reason she had those devices was because the state department wouldn't permit her to put two accounts on a single device. >> actually, they actually said they would not have permitted her to have an unsecure server in her basement is what they had said -- >> that's through the retrospective scope. >> yes. >> look, the fbi director said two things -- one, she was entirely truthful, and two, there were no laws broken. what else do we need here?

what more do we need? why can't we talk about the things that americans really worry about? that is what we need to be talking about. >> they worry about who's going to be the next president. >> if they need to have interviews to do that, that's what we'll do. >> i want to look at a political report with you, susan, that they're feeling good about a win for clinton in november. would you agree that the map is tilting in clinton's favor? and do you think there are any states she should be worried about? >> it comes down to math. so based on math, yes, it definitely favors a democrat running for president, just off the bat. secondly, donald trump is not being able to make inroads in other states to start changing, i.e., in pennsylvania. he had tried, but they're down there about eight points. so their strategy is not currently working. i mean, if you're fighting for georgia and north carolina as a republican, it's hard to turn other states, and it's gotten to the point where hillary clinton can still have a path, even if she loses ohio. you know, that being said, with such high unfavorable numbers, and we have the debates coming

up, i think anything can happen because we have seen the polls close. and the way they're closing is it's not that donald trump has gained any ground, that's hillary clinton is losing ground. so right now we're hearing from the american public, democrats, republicans and independents, that they are not happy with their choices. >> howard, how confident should hillary clinton be at this stage? >> she should never be confident. anybody who's overconfident that goes into a race like this before labor day is a fool, and hillary clinton, everybody i think can agree, is not a fool. so i agree with susan on this one. i think the odds are with hillary. she's got to nail the debates. she's got to -- i mean, i think her strategy of going after trump in arizona and georgia is fantastic, and i think that's what needs to be done, because i think a good offense is always better than a good defense. but nobody needs to take anything for granted right now. that's how you lose races. >> all right. >> and we agree! >> a tone of agreement. i'm wrapping this up right now! susan del percio, howard dean, good to see you guys. happy labor day to you both.

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