this sunday, 65 days until election day and no longer, is he purposely not committing to a policy or does he not have one? >> we did discuss the wall and payment of the wall. they don't know it, but they'll pay for the wall. >> mike pence on what a trump presidency would do. >> i think donald trump has been completely consistent. >> and get his reaction to the latest news on hillary clinton's e-mails. >> hillary clinton is the most dishonest candidate for president since richard nixon. >> my sit down with mike pence.

also you say you want a revolution. >> we need a political revolution. >> but where is it? can bernie sanders convince his most passionate followers to get behind clinton? senator sanders joins me live. plus polls show the race is getting tighter. clinton is losing ground but trump isn't gaining much. so where is clinton's support going? joining me for insight and analysis this sunday morning are chris cillizza. welcome to sunday, it's "meet the press." >> from nbc in washington, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning and a happy labor day weekend. end of summer to everyone. it is hard to look at the events of this past week and not think it all seems oddly familiar. wash rinse repeat.

friday was hillary clinton and e-mails. the fbi revealed details about their interview and ended up raising new questions and giving republicans yet more ammunition about how she and her aides handled e-mails and classified information at the state department. on wednesday it was trump and the issue of deportation. in the afternoon he seemed accommodating. maybe even presidential in a meeting with mexico's president in mexico city. then just hours later before supporters in phoenix, trump gave a thundering anti-illegal immigration speech that seemed more suited for the primaries than the general election. and just yesterday trump made a rare attempt at winning over african american voters with an appearance at great faith ministries in detroit. >> i am here today to listen to your message. and i hope my presence here will also help your voice to reach new audiences in our country today. i just want to let you know that i am here to listen to you. and i've been doing that.

>> yesterday i caught up with mike pence just before the buckeyes opening game against bowling green. not much of a game, ohio state won big, 77-10. i asked pence to explain trump's position on deporting undocumented workers in this country. and then i had to ask again, and again and again. >> it begins with building a wall, border security. it begins with enforcing the laws of this country. removing criminal aliens and removing people who have overstayed their visa. ending catch and release. strengthening our border patrol. strengthening immigrations and customs enforcement. all the kind of things we talked about. the e verify for employers. all the things that will build all the ways that illegal immigration has been made possible this country, all of that will come to an end. and i think that is exactly what the american people want to hear today. with regard to anyone that

remains after all of that is done. i think what you heard donald trump say is that we'll give consideration working with the congress in a new and reformed immigration system to consider it at that time. but what -- what the american people want to see today is to establish the borders of this country, enforce the laws of this country. and donald trump has created a road map to do that, chuck. >> why can't you definitively say what's going to happen to these folks? it used to be he would say it. everybody has to leave. even quickly. everybody has to leave. and now there is -- there is some muddiness to this. i don't know how -- it is just unclear to me. can you clear this up? >> well, that may be the way you see it. looking at this some 10,000 in arizona last week. it wasn't the way they see it. as i campaign across the country for donald trump and donald trump, i think people hear him loud and clear and he's been completely consistent on this point. >> no he's not. but he's not been consistent on this issue of what do with the

11 to 15 million. >> well there are people in different circumstances in that category. there are people who are criminal aliens in this country. and i think everyone in this country understands that people who are here -- >> -- violent crimes. >> well people who are here their first act of this country was a violation of the law but have gone on to criminal activity in america, we want them out. we want them out quickly. donald trump has made it clear that a priority of our administration will be removing criminal aliens. it will also be finding people who have overstayed their visa. an enormous number of people come to this country legally and then simply overstay their visas because we make no effort to hold them accountable to that or uphold the law. the simple truth is that what the american people long to see is leadership at the national level that doesn't myopically focus on the group that you focus on. >> a whole bunch of the latino leaders a quite a few have backed away from supporting

your ticket because they didn't like what they heard on wednesday. they were told one thing and felt misled. one even said that. and one of the major issues has do with what about this issue of the deportations? and what are you going to do? and it is not just media. >> i was campaigning in idaho, a mexican american who came to this country legally with his family. came up wearing a the trump/pence shirt and shook my hand and said tell donald trump we support him a hundred percent. people who have come legally. who stood in line. who played by the rules the latino and hispanic community just like every other american long to have a president that says we are a nation of laws and we are going to uphold and enforce those laws. and what i thought was important about trump's speech the other night was different frankly with all due respect to the media's focus on 11 million or whatever that number is.

he was focused on the more than 300 million people who are citizens of this country and who are here legally in this country. and driving policies in immigration that will work for them, work for the future of our nation and -- but make no mistake about it. i hope -- i hope your viewers have a chance to read or to see that speech in arizona. he also talked about establishing a commission to reform our broken immigration laws whole cloth. to really re -- you know, to re-form and change the way that people -- that people have the ability to come into this country. and do it all in a way that is in the interest of the american people and in the interest of the long-term future of our country. >> is it fair to say that you are not going to answer this question about the 11 to 15 million -- when i say just you, but the campaign, you are going to leave it as an open question throughout the campaign? >> i think -- >> but he hasn't when it comes to -- on one hand he said deportation force. everybody has to leave.

everybody has to leave. we've got to have borders. now he's saying, he's open to doing something different with whoever remains which would be about half. >> well i think we -- i think we -- we really don't know what number is or who that is until we do all of the things in the ten-point plan. >> out of the shadows if you don't tell them what the penalty will be? >> i think look, donald trump's made it very very clear in his 10 point plan we're going to build a wall. enforce the laws of this country. end catch and release. and do all the things that politicians in both political parties have been talking about for a generation. he also said there is going to be no amnesty and and path to legalization. if people want to get legalized and right under the color of the law and they need to leave the country. >> -- without leaving the country. >> chuck he also said it is not going to be under the existing caps and the existing program but it is rather going to be under a new and reformed immigration program.

i mean, what you heard donald trump call for was border security. building a wall, which actually hillary clinton actually said that she was for a physical barrier i'm told a few short years ago. >> what do you do with so called dreamers. kids brought here, when they came over here, their parents brought them here. illegally. they were kids. they have gone to public school. what are you going do with them? he said he's going to rescind the executive order the president signed. do they live in the shadows. >> he's going to rescind all of the unconstitutional executive orders he's said. we have in president obama and now in hillary clinton. the promise of success of administration to legislate from the oval office. the supreme court turned that back with this administration. and donald trump of course will rescind that. and he won't as hillary clinton promises to do executive amnesty. >> how are you going to force an ally to pay for the wall? i understand the remittance idea

that you redo the patriot act. that feels like a shake down. >> well look, we have an enormous economic relationship with mexico. and this week you saw donald trump travel to mexico city and meet with president pena nieto and start a constructive dialogue, first on issues they agree on. but i'm very confident when donald trump becomes negotiator in chief we're going sit down with our ally in mexico -- >> what is their incentive to pay for this wall? other than we're going to withhold money? that is the incentive. >> the united states of america is a most powerful economy on the face of the earth. access to our economy is enormously valuable to mexico and every other country in the world. as we go into, whether it is reforming nafta as both of these leaders talked about in their meeting this last week, or a broad range of yashs in this relationship. the one thing donald trump knows

is how to do a deal. >> let me ask you about being in utah. first you had a campaign in utah. there are a lot of mormons in particular don't like the muslim ban. don't like even the revised version of it. which is not supposedly targeting religion but regions. they come home from missions and trying to talk about syrian refugees. i'm sure you heard complaints about this. what did you tell concerned utah residents about the miz lm ban? >> i was concerned by what i heard in idaho. i have to tell you people are listening to donald trump's agenda to make america great again. and they are responding. and i'll tell you, particularly in utah, there is great concern about the supreme court of the united states. >> let's go back to this muslim ban. when -- you basically said it was unconstitutional. you have defended the new version of this. why do you think the new version

of this which would target countries or regions rather than religion, why do you think that is constitutional? >> first off the foreign policy of barack obama and hillary clinton has resulted in the wider middle east literally spinning out of control. we've seen syria imploding into civil war. libya imploding into the civil war. we have entire countries in that region and territories that have been compromised by terrorism. and i think what terrorism -- what donald trump has said is we have to suspend immigration. >> how do you identify? what is a -- give me the definition of a country compromised by terrorism? france? germany? united states? >> chuck, let's start with syria. hillary clinton wants to increase syrian refugees to this country by 550%. >> the united nations is asking to increase its -- right now we

accepted 10,000 and they want us to accept 65,000. >> hillary clinton wants to increase syrian refugees. >> what the u.n. requested. >> donald trump and i believe we should suspend the syrian. >> completely. >> work with arab countries to create safe zones for people to escape the war-torn areas. but to continue to allow people into this country when our own homeland security and our own fbi says we can't know for certain who these people are is putting the safety and security of the american people second to the agenda of the u.n. or liberals in this country and donald trump is just simply not going to do that. >> quick question of the leadership of the campaign. there's been some troubling allegations against steve bannon and some things he may have said about jewish people and some things that happened between him and his wife.

troubling allegations with roger ailes. both of home who advisors to this campaign. >> i can promise you the person leading donald trump's campaign is donald trump. we talk several times a day. he's a hands on leader and hands on ceo. >> appropriate for -- >> i trust donald trump's judgment to assemble around this team, a group that is going to help us move forward and be successful and win. and come on. steve bannon has denied all of those allegations. >> some of them are in court records. look, and i know -- but -- divorces are divorces i'm not -- but it's troubling allegations. people are going to look at that and say, steve bannon. roger ailes. it just feels as if -- does he ignore troubling allegations against people that work for him? >> i trust donald trump to assemble a team around him in this campaign as he has and you

will continue to. you will continue to see people added to this campaign. what's remarkable for me, having just joined this campaign just six weeks ago. is the fact that this campaign has always been propelled by a movement of the american people. i mean, where in hillary clinton there's a thousand employees and experts and pollsters and frankly people in the republican primary who had significant apparatus as well. the other big news story this week besides trump immigration muddle in a friday news dump the fbi took the rare step of releasing notes from its three and a half interview in july with hillary clinton about a private server. no recording. just notes. we'll explain that in a little bit. the top takeaway, clinton claims she did not explain basic classification procedures. she didn't recall any training on how to handle classified information. in fact clinton told the fbi she could not recall or could not remember key details more than three dozen times.

even told the fbi she thought the c referred to the order of paragraphs instead of the word "confidential." which is the lowest level of classification. former secretary of state colin powell advised her to be very careful in how she used private e-mail. and and fbi notes show that a computer specialist whose name was redacted deleted an archive of clinton e-mails after the existence of clinton's private server became public in march of 2015. the fbi says it requested 13 mobile devices which were use by the system but clinton's law firm could not produce any of them. one staffer told investigator he destroyed two mobile devices by breaking them in half or hitting them with a hammer. after we talked about clinton's e-mails. here's an excerpt. >> just more evidence that hillary clinton is the most dishonest candidate for president of the united states since richard nixon. >> that is a tough charge. >> it is a tough charge, chuck,

but come on. >> if she were at dishonest as you claim, then why isn't the fbi prosecuting? >> hillary clinton, what's evident from the notes and what's evident from all the revelations over the last several weeks is that hillary clinton operated in such a way to keep her e-mails and particularly her interactions while secretary of state with the clinton foundation out of the public reach. out of public accountability. >> -- higher ground on this issue. this whole idea of transparency and her accountability. if you guys were as transparent, releasing his tax returns. it is -- whatever you want to say about the clintons we know this because the information has either been dragged out of them or it's been disclosed. we don't have any disclosures. we don't have your tax returns yet. >> donald trump and i are both going to release our tax returns.

i'll release in the next week. donald trump will be releasing it at an audit. >> that won't be before the election. >> the issue here -- well we'll see. the issue here is not one of the incomprehensible decision she made as secretary of state to have a private server in her home. 11 different blackberry and mobile devices. really goes to the question of why did she do that? and the other e-mails a that have come out in the last several weeks really give evidence to the fact that it was all an effort to paper over and conceal a pay to play process that was under way while she was secretary of state. >> let me ask you this, in the spirit of transparency you have sealed your congressional records. where they are not going to be opened up at university until after your death essentially. are you going to rescind that order and release all of that information now before the election. >> certainly look at it.

it's the first i've been asked to do that. but i truly do believe in the public's right to know. and frankly now -- >> you would air on the side of transparancy when in doubt. >> you know me, chuck. that's always been my policy. you have i believe in a free independent press and accountability. and i give a lot of credit to efforts in the media and independent organizations that to your point have brought this information to the light by clinton foundation. the revelations in this fbi interview. i truly do believe give evidence to the fact that hillary clinton is the most dishonest candidate for president of the united states since richard nixon. >> coming up. bernie sanders joins me live one day before hitting the trail for hillary clinton. and later, whatever happened to clinton's big lead in the polls? she's slipping but where is the support going because it doesn't appear that donald trump is getting a bump .

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workers. what pence signed on to he knew what he was going to get into. no question i wonder what it would be like to run with donald trump. i think what he made peace with i am going to go as far as i comfortably can as a much more main line position in defending donald trump. what i'm not going to do and you heard it on taxes, as well. what i'm not going to do is put my own personal credibility on the line. i'm going to say that donald trump has been consistent. these are donald trump's views. >> same thing on the roger ailes question. trump owns ailes, not him. >> he is not going to say anything about the undocumented workers. trump candidly, he'll give you an answer. >> alex, a long-time political strategist. we saw sometimes it was clumsy but over an eight-day period, they were plowing the field.

the trump folks of basically waiting for trump to change his position. and on wednesday, the mexico city day, they thought well okay. and the meeting -- something afoot. and then the wednesday night speech. missed opportunity? >> it was a bit of a missed opportunity. in the sense that we all lock our doors at night. not because we hate the people outside, but because we love the people inside. and i think the tone of the speech was not matching the words of the speech. at the same time there is a little bit of softening and evolution in the position. the tone of it is very hard line. i like donald trump -- what donald trump is doing on immigration. it is much more honest than we usually get from politicians. barack obama's plan was to close guantanamo. that's what he he is going to do if he is elected. it is much more honest to say

look, we're going to do a few big things. build a wall. get the bad guys out here. and we're going to work on -- iterate. we're going to work on this as we go. i think that is a much more honest approach. >> donald trump is so disingenuous. it is not an honest approach when you say you are going to deport over a million people almost overnight. and the fact that he went into the belly of the beast, the arizona law. the show me your papers law. the law that condones rals profiling that the supreme court said you have to get. the principle problem i believe that the latino voter had with immigration law is it is all code word of we don't like the browning of america. when you start talking we're going to go ahead and repeal the amendment of the birth right citizenship. and when you tell an american -- we know that you are talking about us. and when you start talking about the complexity of immigration reform, these are not individuals that live in silos. you are talk -- imagine being in

the living room and the person sitting next to you, your grandmother or your aunt is undocumented. we're talking about 6.5 million mixed status households. and he wants it both ways but he's been very clear that he considers two different types of americans and one unfortunately is not the browning of it. >> what was interesting here is the rnc reaction and they said basically don't tweet about the speech. don't do anything. sort of the mike pence approach. we're not going to say anything. >> and a republican official tells me there was an immediate realization within the rnc and the trump campaign to some extent that the tone was off, as you say, but also the optics were off. the fact that he was delivering this speech, throwing out red meat to the base in arizona after that trip to mexico. there was a sense, why didn't he deliver this speech at the brookings institution. for example, this was supposed to be a serious policy speech. >> why let him get fed. >> to me, that day is donald

trump's presidential campaign in microcosm. people say as the low bar. he's reading off a teleprompter. he tonally sounds like -- he looks statesman like. and then a tweet from the mexican president saying -- pay for the wall. >> sets him up. >> now all of a sudden does this things, he's going to pay for it. he just doesn't know it yet. >> i mean the opposite of diplomacy. >> what if his day ended at 5:00 p.m. on wednesday. >> i'm 62 years old. i shouldn't do any public events after 5:00. >> you don't want a 70-year-old man doing it either. >> i don't think you should. but chris was right. the first half of the day was beautiful. and by the way trump is moving up in the poll, just a tiny bit even despite this. the first half of the day he's standing on the stage, he looks

presidential. the mexican president doesn't have the strength that he has. can't stand up to trump. overall a good impression. >> little criticism from some latino leaders thinking the clinton campaign has been a little slow with the pitch. no spanish advertising so far. are they slow? behind? >> the fact that trump, the republican candidate has actually given the campaign tons of media in spanish media. >> right. >> the free media. >> to really crystallize it. there is a latino all grown up with listening to in spanish. he's gone anti-trump. the fact he has so much media in the spanish language is good. fantastic but her challenge is actually going to get the latino millennials. the ones that are english dominate that may not be turning it on. >> guess what, i'm going to have an interesting millennial conversation with somebody with who's not an millennial. but who has a lot of appeal to millennials. we'll back in a moment with none

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in china. let's go in and listen tahim. >> we agreed to advance our cooperation across a range of issues, including climate change, global health and development, peacekeeping, counter narcotics and nuclear security. we also addressed our differences on issues like religious freedom, maretime security and we did so in a direct way. that has helped us to manage problems and consistently helped us to improve relations between the united states and china. it has also been my tenth and final g-20 meeting. it goes by fast. before i take your questions, let me put into context what we've done over the course of all these g-20 meetings. and i think back to april 2009 when hundreds of thousands of

americans were losing their jobs and their homes and their savings each month and unemployment was on its way to 10%. around the world for the first time in a generation, the global economy was contracting and trade was shrinking and the international financial system was nearly frozen. by several key measures, the global economy was on a worse trajectory than it was at the outset of the great depression. but the size and the scope of the crisis was not what made that london g-20 historic. what made it historic was the speed and magnitude of our collective response. one nation couldn't solve the problem alone, so, together, developed and developing nations alike took a comprehensive and unprecedented set of actions to prevent another depression and set the stage for recovery. most importantly was to create jobs and growth by stimulating demand across our economies. and america led the way. by then, in just my first ten or so weeks as president, we had

already passed the recovery act and set in motion plans to rescue our auto industry and stabilize our banks and jump start loans to small businesses and launch programs to help homeowners with finance and stay in their homes. our g-20 partners would follow with similar actions. to stabilize the global economy, we protected to deepen the crisis. cooperated to keep markets open and bolster the international financial system's lending capacity to respond to countries that were hurting the most. and to prevent future crises, we took steps to reform our financial regulatory system, including the historic wall street reforms that we passed more than six years ago. now, these were the actions we took in 2009. they were actions that prevented another depression and created conditions for the global economy to grow by more than 25% over the past seven years.

what we also did, though, was to elevate the g-20 to become the world's premier form for economic cooperation. to take further actions to strengthen the global economy and that's what we came to do. we had long debates over the years about the best ways to promote sustained growth but america's voice in the g-20 has always been one of bold action. that stance has been backed up by our economic performance. since job growth turned positive in early 2010, america's businesses have created more than 15 million more jobs. we cut the unemployment rate in half and so far this year wages have risen by almost 3% which is faster than the pace of inflation. but, one of the things that we learned through the g-20 process is that more than ever our economies are interconnected and we got more work to do together to keep the global economy growing.

we have to do more to grow wages faster, to shrink inequality faster and to give everybody a shot at opportunity and security in a changing economy. and that should be the way forward for the g-20. to make sure the benefits of trans-like globalization and technological progress are shared broadly by more workers and families who still feel like the global economy is not working for them. and that's what we did here at this g-20 summit. we committed to using all of our policy tools robust, inclusive growth that creates opportunity for young people and the middle class that they're working to join. we focused on making sure that businesses can compete fairly and all working families can take advantage of the new prospects the digital economy creates. and we reaffirmed our commitment to support emerging economies through an array of development initiatives. we also discussed ways to unlock the mutual benefits that trade

provides while keeping it fair for our workers and the playing field level for our businesses. that includes high-standard trade agreements that actually benefit the middle class, like the tpp. that includes working together to ubstain from unfair currency practices and address corruption in global tax evasion. and it includes our agreement to establish a new form to address some of the market distorting policies in the global steel sector that have hurt workers and businesses. we also added momentum to the fight to protect our planet for future generations. on saturday, the u.s. and china formally entered the paris agreement. and, today, the g-20 welcomed efforts to enter the paris agreement in the force by the end of this year. so, if there's anything that the past eight years have taught us, it's that the complicated challenges of the 21st century cannot be met without coordinated and collective action. agreement is not always easy and

results do not always come quickly. respecting different points of view, forging consensus instead of dictating terms, that can sometimes be frustrating, but it is how progress has been won and how it will be won in the future. it's how we come as far as we have in the eight years since the crisis affected us all and how the g-20 can make progress for all people in the years to come. so, with that, let me take some questions and i will start with roberta rampten of reuters. >> thank you, mr. president. i want to ask you about tomorrow, the next leg of your trip a little bit. and tomorrow you're going to be meeting for the first time with the president and he's a leader whose war on drugs has led to the death of about 2,400 people in just the last two months since he took office. and today he said in a very colorful way that you better not

bring this up. and i'm wondering, are you committed to raising this with him and are you concerned that meeting him legitimizes his approach on this issue? >> well, i just came out of a long day of meetings. i just heard about some of this. i have seen some of the colorful statements in the past. so, clearly, he's a colorful guy. what instructed my team to do is talk to their counterparts to find out, is this, in fact, a time where we can have some constructive, productive conversations. obviously, the filipino people are some of our closest friends and allies. and the philippines is a treaty ally of ours.

but i always want to make sure that if i'm have agameting that it's actually productive and we're getting something done. we recognize the significant burden that the drug trade play is not just in the philippines, but around the world. and fighting narco trafficking is tough. but, we will always assert the need to have due process and to engage in the fight against drugs that is consistent with basic international norms. and, so, undoubtedly, if and when we have a meeting, this is something that's going to be brought up. my expectation and my hope is that it could be dealt with constructively. but i'll have my team, you know, discuss this. i've got a whole bunch of folks

that i'm going to be meeting with over the course of the next several days. and, as i said, historically our relationship with the philippines is one of our most important and my relationship with the philippine people has been extraordinarily warm and productive. so, i expect that will continue. but i want to make sure that the setting is right and the timing is right for us to have the best conversation possible. >> i am going to say i'm going to make an assessment. what is certainly true is that, you know, the issues of how we approach fighting crime and drug trafficking is a serious one for all of us. and we've got to do it the right way.

michelle kaczynski. >> thank you. same subject of colorful guys. what can you tell us about the hour and a half long meeting you had with president putin. the tone of it, any progress made? and do you agree the relationship between our two countries is frozen? on the cyberfront, senator reed cited intelligence briefings when he is addressing his suspicions that russia is trying to meddle in the election and have ties to the campaign. do you think russia is trying to influence the u.s. election through hacking? >> well, president putin's less colorful. but, typically, the tone of our meetings are candid, blunt. business-like. and this one was no different. we had a range of issues that we

had to discuss, but the two most important were as has been reported, discussions that have been taking place between secretary kerry and russia's foreign minister about ways in which we can institute a meaningful, serious, verifiable of hostilities in syria. and our capacity to provide some humanitarian relief to families, children, women who are suffering enormously under the burdens of that war. as you recall, we had initiated hostilities a while back. initially it did lessen some of the violence and then slowly it unwound and we're back into a situation in which assad's

regime is bombingimpunity. that, in turn, we think it actually strengthening the ability to recruit people who might not have -- but now view anybody who is fighting against assad as legitimized. and that is a very dangerous dynamic. and, so, we have had some productive conversations about what a real cessation of what hostilities would look like that would allow us to focus on common enemies. but given the gaps of trust that exist, you know, that's a tough negotiation. and we haven't yet closed the gaps in a way where we think it would actually work the faster

we can provide some relief to folks on the ground, the better off we're going to be. and that is a predicate for us to be able to transition into a serious conversation about a political solution to this problem. that would involve all the parties that have either directly or indirectly involved themselves in the syrian conflict. we also spent time talking about ukraine. there is an agreement that rose out of the normandy out of russia, ukraine, france and germany. but it hasn't been implemented. and i made very clear that until it is implemented, the united states is not going to pull down

sanctions. that it is important for both sides to try to seize this opportunity in the coming weeks to finalize an agreement and to figure out a sequence in which that document is put into effect. and there was agreement not just between myself and mr. putin, but also with chancellor merkel that that effort should increase in urgency over the next several weeks. and, so, that was constructive, but not conclusive. we'll have to see whether we can get this done or whether, in fact, president putin, despite talking about wanting a negotiation and solution, in fact, is comfortable with this

constant low-grade conflict along the russia/ukraine border. and, finally, we did talk about cybersecurity generally. i'm not going to comment about specific investigations that are still live and active. but i will tell you that we've had problems with cyberintrusions from russia in the past, from other countries in the past. look, we're moving into a new era here where a number of countries have significant capacities. and, frankly, we got more capacity than anybody both offensively and defensively. but our goal is not to suddenly in the cyberarena duplicate a cycle of escalation we saw when it comes to, you know, other arms races in the past. but rather to start instituting

some norms so that everybody is acting responsibly. we're going to have enough problems in the cyberspace with nonstate actors who are engaging in theft and using the internet for all kinds of elicit practices. and protecting our critical infrastructure and making sure that our financial systems are sound. and what we cannot do is have a situation in which suddenly this becomes the wild, wild west where countries that have significant cybercapacity start engaging in competition, unhealthy competition or conflict through these means when, you know, i think wisely we put in place some norms when it comes to using other weapons. so, that's been a topic of

conversation with president putin as it has been with other countries. we've started to get some willingness on the part of a lot of countries around the world, including through our g-20 process. to adopt these norms. but we've got tamake sure we're observing them. all right. >> thank you, mr. president. what are the main things you can offer its leaders and what do you plan to push for in return? on the offering side, how do you view u.s. responsibility and on the asking side, what are you pushing for most? human rights and closer u.s. ties in the face of china? improving their problems with governance and corruption. what is the priority? >> well, look, symbolically it

is important. i'll be the first u.s. president to visit louse. when you think of the history of the united states and louse, i think it's useful to see what happened in the evolution of our relationship with vietnam, a country that i just visited recently. at the outset, as we're trying to build trust, a lot of work can be dup around war legacy issues. that involves dealing with unexploded ordinance which is still plaguing big chunks of the countryside. since it's a relatively poor country that is developing, you know, their capacity alone to clean that up is hampered by

lack of resources. we should help. and my expectation is that in our meetings over the course of several days that we'll be able able to provide some really concrete assistance that ensures innocent kids aren't running through a field or a farmer try to go clear a field or a business that's try to ing to g set up, that they aren't endangered by the possibility of an explosion. we have deep commitments to accounting for those who are lost during that war. as was true with vietnam, to the extent that we are able to find out more about our missing

inaction and p.o.w.'s it is consistent with our traditions. it also ends up being a show of good faith on the part of the country and a way for us to move into the next phase of the relationship. it will start there but it doesn't end there. we have than on issue helping all of the countries to find ways to harness development and deal with environmental issues. that's something we have been doing over the course of several years now establishing people to people changes, i think laos

seeing the progress that vietnam and others have made will be interested in finding ways in which they can advance into the global economy and help themselves grow. i think we can be a useful partner there. i think it will be a broad based agenda. if you think about the visit i made about driving through those streets and the enormous good will that you saw, that started with some of the same kinds of steps that we will be taking with laos but i think we can hopefully do it faster, make more progress faster than we did over the course of 10 to 15

years because we have learned some things. i think laos is eager to engage with us and we are eager to engage with them. i look forward to visiting what i hear is a beautiful country. christy parsons. >> reporter: thank you mr. president. how do you plan to sell this to the asian leaders who still have work to do in their own countries and with some political, you know, politics aren't easy and maybe they don't want to do that. so much of it seems like the future is rocky in the u.s. can you -- i mean the u.s. usually ratifies its trade deals. do you feel that for the lame duck session? do you feel like it's inevitable anyway? and if i may, i wonder what you think about the silent protest

of kaepernick and what you think about the public response to it which is really divided. some police don't want to secure 49ers games and many fans feel he is giving voice to something they feel strongly. so i wonder how you look at that. >> okay. with respect to t.p.p. i don't have to sell it to leaders that were part of the negotiations because they see this as the right thing to do for their own countries. and when you look at the architecture and the structure of tpp, what it does is open up new markets for us that are generally closed. our markets are more open than theirs for the most part. we benefit from those that are

already in place. for many of them, what they benefit from is this trade deal is the spur, the incentive for them to engage in a whole bunch of structural reforms that they know over the long term will reinvigorate their economy. he is look at a tcouple of and what he said is if we want to break out of this then we'll have to change how bedo business. it provides us of a road map of how to be more competitive. vietnam for the first time is debating in a very serious way how they can provide protections

to their workers and allow them to participate and have voice and bargain for wages. it is tough but on the other hand they recognize if they want to move up they have to start abiding by basic norms. the good news is they are ready to go. i'll be telling them that the united states has never had a path to ratifying trade deals. it's my intention to get this one done. it is smart for america to do it. i have yet to hear a persuasive argument from the left or the right as to why we wouldn't want to create a trade framework that

raises labor standards, raises environmental standards, levels the playing field for u.s. businesses, brings down terrorists. it is indisputable that it would create a better deal for us than the status quo. nobody the able to describe to me how it would be a significant improvement for u.s. businesses going forward compared to the status quo. and so i intend to be making that argument. i will have to be less persuasive here because most people already understand that.

back home, we'll have to cut through the noise once election season is over. it is always a little noisy there. in terms of mr. kaepernick, i with have confess, i haven't been thinking about football while i have been over here. i haven't been following this closely but i, my understanding is that he is exercising his constitutional right to make a statement. i think there's a long history of sports figures doing so. i think there are a lot of ways you can do it. as a general matter when it comes to the flag and national anthem and the meaning that that holds for our men and women in uniform and those who fought for us, you know, that is a tough

thing for them get past to then hear what his deeper concerns are. i don't doubt his sincerity, based on what i have heard. i think he cares about real, legitimate issues that have to be talked about and if nothing else, what he has done is he has generated more conversation around topics that need to be talked about. so again, i haven't been paying close attention to it, but you have heard me talk about in the past the need for us to have an active citizenry. some times it's messy and controversial. it gets people angry and frustra

frustrat frustrated i would rather have young people to think through how to be part of the democratic process than those sitting on the sideline not paying attention at all. i think over time he will refine how he is thinking about it and maybe some of his critics will start seeing that he has a point around certain concerns about justice and equality and that's how we move forward. you know, some times it's messy but, you know, it's the way democracy works. all right. last one, angela