>> just fantastic. meantime, watch the interview with vladimir putin on bloomberg politics.com. we say to you sayonara. >> coming up, "hardball with chris matthews." lady and gentleman, state your engines. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in new york. after a week with kathleen, michael, sarah, thomas, caroline, julie and brendan i'm back to "hardball." we have an exciting show tonight starting with the brutal challenge now facing republican candidate donald trump. also tonight, the negative stories about now breaking on former president bill clinton and on trump. plus the fear that russia meaning vladimir putin is playing mischief with our presidential campaign. also, i talk with tom hanks about his new role playing the

courageous airline pilot, you know the guy who landed that plane in the hudson river saving all 155 passengers aboard. let's get started. here's how this presidential campaign looks right now. even though polls show the race getting tighter a bit, the facts staring at us and certainly the two major candidates is that hillary clinton has a solid lead over donald trump where it matters most, where it will decide the election. in fact, it shows her winning the election even if trump wins every one of the states viewed right now as tossups. he wins all the tossups, she still wins according to current numbers which is damning for the situation he now faces. a brand new nbc news battleground map gives clinton 272 electoral votes to trump's 174 meaning if the election were held today, again, she would win the necessary 270 votes in the electoral college right now. states accounting for 200 electoral votes are now categorized as likely democratic. another 72 electoral votes are counted as lean democratic. that compares to 133 electoral

votes that are likely for trump. another 41 that lean toward trump. anyway, 92 votes right now are seen as tossups. what all this means is that trump's at the bottom of a very steep mountain tonight. one route for him to climb that mountain is an historic victory in the upcoming debates, perhaps trump's great daunting hope to turn this race around. obviously, hillary clinton and her team were going to try to crush that hope, to paint trump as a dangerous commander in chief. that's what she did today in tampa with a message geared to veterans. >> his companies, trump companies, have fired veterans because they had to take time off to fulfill their military commitments. and when asked why he would insult a gold star family, he suggested that his sacrifices are somehow comparable to theirs. he's talked about letting syria become a free zone for isis. look at the map, donald.

he's talked about sending in american ground troops. not on my watch. that is not what we are going to do. he says he has a secret plan to defeat isis. but the secret is he has no plan. >> the trump campaign of course came back at that. in a statement, jason miller, senior communications adviser for trump said quote, hillary clinton's remarks today in tampa are exactly what you would expect to hear from a candidate who took off the month of august and woke up in september losing the election. well, who exactly is losing this election right now? michael steele, former chairman of the republican national committee, msnbc political analyst, can, howard fineman, global editorial director for huffington post, heidi pryzbla. this numbers game, it is daunting if you look at the battleground states. hillary already past the 270 number, at 272. trump, if he wins every one of the tossup states across the

country starting in nevada all the way to florida, if you look at it west to down east, in florida, he has to win all of them and even if he does, hillary still wins. bad situation right now. >> this is coming at a time when arguably, he's had a big lift over the past couple of weeks from hillary clinton getting knocked down a bit. we are seeing that in the polling averages. it's not only just in terms of these key swing states but also when you look further into the polling data, you look at the demographic groups and i can't see evidence of him really expanding his base in any of these other key demographic groups other than white males where he continues to be dominant. so in terms of the polling averages, it's in terms of the demographic groups and it's in all of the key battleground states. essentially his rust belt state strategy that he sold from the beginning or that he said he would rely on from the beginning isn't working if you have michigan, states like michigan and pennsylvania going blue and then you're not making it up in some of the newer swing states

like colorado and virginia. >> brand new nbc news online poll shows clinton holding a four point lead over trump nationwide, 41% to 37%. that's not much. libertarian gary johnson and green party candidate jill stein are still a distant third and fourth. meanwhile, a new kcnn poll is also out today which shows trumping pulling ahead, 45% to 43%. in this poll, johnson has less votes, 7% and stein is down to 2%. they both do much better in our own poll. let me go to michael steele. it seems to me trump has a mountain to climb right now because if he wins all the tossup states, all the jump balls, he still loses. he's got to win all them and then he's got to go on and win pennsylvania, wisconsin and michigan, then to win the election. it's really tough for him. does he throw the long ball? does he go for a hail mary? what does he do? >> he has to do all of it. he has to throw the long ball, got to do the short game on the ground with turnout, he's got to find new constituencies which you have seen him try to do with

african-americans, for example. not so much to win that constituency but to pull those numbers down a little bit as opposed to losing 80 to 20, you're losing a little bit less than that. a lot less than that. but that's the reality for him. look, going to what heidi just said, this is no surprise. this blue wall so to speak has been here for quite some time. four out of the last six presidential elections have landed for democrats because of the way the demographics are set up nationally. republicans have focused on congressional races. redistricting doesn't fix this problem. this goes to a broader view of the party, a broader view of the presidential messaging by a candidate, et cetera. this is going to be a long hail mary pass for the trump campaign starting right now. >> so the bunching of liberal voting not just minorities but liberal voting generally in the big cities hurts the democrats in terms of redistricting but it certainly helps them win the big states. >> that's right. >> howard, let's take a look at this.

a new abc interview aired this morning, trump explained why he doesn't think hillary clinton, here's a personal knock, doesn't look presidential. let's catch this action by trump. >> let me ask you, you often talked about hillary clinton's stamina. >> right. >> you have even said she doesn't look presidential. >> i really do believe that. yes. >> what do you mean by that? >> i just don't think she has a presidential look. you need a presidential look. you have to get the job done. i think if she went to mexico she would have had a total failure. we had a big success. nch >> when you talk about her not looking presidential, are you talking about aesthetics here? >> hey, by the way, she says things about me that are horrible. as an example, the single greatest asset i have according to those who know me are my temperament. but she came up with this madison avenue line let's talk about his temperament. the single greatest asset i have is my temperament. >> the clinton campaign responded, this is not the first time donald trump has had a problem looking at someone different from himself and actually seeing thm.

this cycle voters know all too well what is not presidential. donald trump in his narrow views and divisive rhetoric. sometimes you and i are used to staff writing back and forth. it is so dull and boring, this back and forth, these lines. trump, his problem seems to be he will never take back anything even when david muir feeds him a line, he has to go along with it, that she doesn't look presidential. he goes yeah, yeah, i can't take back something i might have said once even if he never said it, doesn't remember saying it. >> he's all too happy to do it. any time you think donald trump has been schooled by someone like kellyanne conway, his pretty smart campaign manager, to cool it on this kind of thing, he does it again. that was muted by donald trump standards but still, it was vaguely sexist, it was every uncouth type of remark in the book. but here's the thing. donald trump's problem is two-fold right now. over the weekend, he was advertising heavily, we talk about football before, he was advertising heavily on college

football games. who's watching that? a constituency that should already be his. in terms of the republican party, right now, it's about three-quarters of the republican party is either enthusiastically or reluctantly supporting donald trump. that isn't nearly enough. he's going to detroit not in expectation of getting huge numbers of african-american voters. he's going to detroit to try to get some undecided suburban voters who think he's nothing but a flat out racist. >> beyond the eight mile line. donald trump did more than anyone to take the birther attack against obama mainstream. today one of trump's biggest supporters, you might expect, dr. ben carson, being reasonable here, was asked about trump's birther history. here he goes. >> you think it's time for donald trump to acknowledge that all that birther nonsense was a mistake and to apologize, so that african-american voters to whom he's reaching out might be more willing to listen to his message? >> i think that would be a good idea. absolutely. >> you know, he said that so

casually. he took away this guy's original sin and said confess, brother. confess. it's astounding how casual he was. trump's not going to take back birtherism. that's his stock in trade. >> but he should. he should. you cannot go and sit down in a room of african-americans, i don't care what their political stripe is, and not know that that hangs over that conversation. look, whether you're republican, conservative, democrat, liberal, if you are african-american, there was pride in the election of barack obama. all right? so to put him through and question his lineage and the nation in which he was born, yeah, that matters to a lot of folks. it's not going to be dispositive of general election support per se, but it taints the conversation. that's what ben carson was getting to. yes, he should, because it makes the conversation easier if you do. >> let's go into crazy land, heidi. the crazy theory of birtherism.

now, does trump deny that his mother is his mother? does he deny that obama's mother is his mother? i think he would probably accept that fact. in which case, he is an american citizen by most standards. he just isn't native born american, right? you get to this crazy world where he's illegally here. if you go that far, he's somehow, he should be deported, not recognized as president. the whole birtherism thing is a road to crazy land. how do you drive back on that road from crazy land? it's hard to come back from that. >> the people who are listening to this, though, and the core audience that actually still believes in some of the birtherism line is his base and they don't care for those type of details. >> who's your mother? those details. >> chris, the problem is, though, to be competitive in those big states he needs like pennsylvania, to take an

example, in the collar counties around philadelphia, those cross-pressured especially women professional moderate republicans and others like that, that one-fourth of the republican party that is saying i'm not getting anywhere close to donald trump, the trump campaign's objective, kellyanne conway's objective has to be to remove things somehow that are preventing those people. but i don't think it's possible. what the poll is showing right now on the state by state basis is that it's not possible. >> i don't think's the possible, though, i don't think you need to take back the birtherism angle. there's so much more you would have to take back in addition to that to appeal, it would be a good place to start. if you are appealing to white suburban women, stop saying these things like today, like he said about hillary clinton not looking presidential. just stop. >> speaking of hillary clinton, i have been saving this sugar plum for michael. the pro-clinton super pac priorities usa is out with a new ad attacking trump for his past statements on the issue of war

and on his statements about nuclear weapons which this ad puts together. let's watch. >> i'm really good at war. i love war in a certain way. >> including with nukes, yes, including with nukes. >> i know more about isis than the generals do, believe me. >> i like war in a certain way, including nuclear, typed together, married together, those two different thoughts to make it sound like this guy is dr. strangelove. >> i know. >> your thoughts? >> it's just, we are in the land of never-neverland on crazy commercials. >> should she take that one back? should the pac say this is outrageous, calling trump a lover of nuclear war? >> they are no more going to take that back than donald trump will take back his birtherism comments. here we are. this is why turnout this election is going to be hard for a lot of voters. because of the way these campaigns are pushing the voters right now into this dark corner

that they're just going to you know what, i don't want to play. no mas. >> here's the problem for the clinton campaign on this type of advertising. this is only the day after labor day and they are already exploding nuclear weapons. >> this is the daisy ad already. >> where do you go from here? >> the day after labor day. where do you go from here? that's the one danger i think that hillary faces here. to go from here to november with primarily, if not almost exclusively an attack program on donald trump. i don't know, maybe that's the way to win the election. they certainly seem to think so at this point. >> i have to go to heidi. why is hillary when we show her in pretty damn strong position tonight, in fact, if things hang the way they are, she wins, why is she going to the nuclear button here? why is she going to accuse the guy of liking nuclear war? >> because it's part of a broader shift, trying to shift the narrative back to her credentials, her background, her experience on national security.

you will have your forum tomorrow night and she wants to keep driving up his negatives. she has all these national security advisers, gop advisers coming over to her. she wants to keep the focus on that and on donald trump in a negative way. this does it. >> they are not that nutty, these neo-cons. i don't think they're for nuclear war. >> she's accusing trump of fomenting war and of course, he will say a lot of people now advising hillary are the people who got us into iraq. >> as the hawks join hillary she accuses him of -- >> exactly. >> another level. another level. >> it's a problem on her left flank, by the way, because those hawks that are joining hillary are causing real concerns for bernie's progressives. >> as they should. we can agree on that. thank you so much, michael, howard and of course, heidi. coming up, hillary clinton continues to face questions about why her husband should have received $7 million from a for-profit college group for five years of well, we don't know what. meanwhile, donald trump is now being grilled about a

campaign donation his charity made to the attorney general of florida's political action committee when her office was considering whether to investigate trump university. interesting combination there. plus the fbi's investigating what it's calling a broad covert russian operation to undermine our presidential election. what is moscow up to? what are we doing to stop them? and the academy award winning actor t great tom hanks is coming here tonight. he stars in "sully" about that courageous airline pilot who heroically landed his plane there in the hudson river, saving all the lives of all those aboard. finally, something new on this show. my election diary. a nightly look at where the presidential race stands as of tonight. tonight, it's dire for donald trump. ♪ ♪

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welcome back to "hardball." with two months before the election, both sides are facing negative headlines today. this morning, "the washington post" published a detailed report on how bill clinton, the former president, was paid nearly $18 million as something called honorary chancellor of a for-profit college group. quote, the baltimore-based company, the post reported, quote, had much to gain from an association with the globally connected ex-president. indirectly, the united states chief diplomat. at the same time, donald trump is also dismissing al giglegati of impropriety.

-- the donald trump charity paid $25 million to the ir after it was revealed he paid $25 million to florida attorney general pam bondi's political action committee at the same time the a.g.'s office was considering a fraud allegation against trump university. a spokeswoman said this is a minor issue that is brought to the attention of the foundation and addressed immediately. the donation violates the law governing political activities by foundations. trump reportedly reimbursed the foundation. we will see where that one goes. hillary clinton has said this about the story. >> he has been accused repeatedly of fraudulent behavior. we have recently learned that his trump foundation has been fined for illegal activity when it made a political contribution to the attorney general of florida at the time she was

being asked by her constituents to investigate trump university. >> let's balance this out. we have two dirty stories on both sides. i'm joined by eli stokles and rose helderman. rose, let me go to you. bill clinton has been paid according to the records almost $18 million over the pace of five years for services rendered. in life, even the most expensive lawyer or consultant charges by the quarter hour. how many quarter hours did he give to the laureate group to earn $17.6 million? how many quarter hours did he work? is there a time sheet on this? how do you get this, or is this some sort of international kissing booth he's running here? just to be seen as intimately involved with a company, somebody pays you $17 million. which is it, work or simply selling his name? which is it? >> the for-profit company says he definitely did work. they say he visited 19 campuses over five years, all around the

world. this is a company that's mostly based in other countries and positive, gave speeches, did q & as, that sort of thing. certainly i think it would work out to a very high hourly rate. you know, they said this was about student engagement. this was a company in a very controversial industry that was under scrutiny both here in the united states and around the world, that certainly was happy to market their tie to bill clinton. it gave them legitimacy, gave them credibility. >> how did you find out about this? give me the facts. was it the tax returns, was it the e-mail? what was your tradecraft here? >> yeah. all of that. there has been some reporting about this previously. the clintons reported this both in hillary clinton's financial disclosure forms and then the exact figures for the salary were in their tax returns and it's important to note that she has released them. donald trump has not. then a variety of additional reporting techniques looking at e-mails, looking at documents that have been released out of

the state department. >> eli, your thoughts on that and then i want you to go to this other question about trump. which is this trump thing of giving -- they had to pay a fine to the irs for giving foundation money to a mipolitical action committee. they said they accidentally sent it to the florida attorney general's political action committee when the case was dropped on trump u. but we really wanted to send it to this group for women who were pregnant seeking alternatives to abortion in kansas city because it's a similar sounding name and we messed up. it doesn't pass the smell test that trump would be involved in a religious organization in kansas city with a similar name but that's their alibi. how do you read had? >> no, it doesn't pass it at all. you have to view it in the context of a campaign and candidate who from the beginning was bragging to his supporters throughout the primary that i know just how rigged the system is because i used to be the one doing the rigging. i used to write checks and people would did things for me.

>> is this a case? >> well, three years ago before he was a presidential candidate, he makes a donation to the attorney general who is investigating a trump university claims of fraud in florida at trump university and what happens? she drops the suit. is there a direct connection? very hard to say. there's no smoking gun as there's no smoking gun in the allegations about the clinton e maims but there's at least as much smoke here. >> she said they talked about a donation to her pac. he said we never talked about a donation to the pac. let me go to rosalyn. we get in the cases with these excuses. is that what campaigns are about, hit the other side where they're vulnerable and make up excuses on your side when it hits you? >> yeah. it's up to -- mpl >> these alibis are absurd. the kind of stuff you hear in local court when some desperate kid is in trouble and the public

defender comes up with an absurd case to make it seem she or he believes the guy. it's terrible. >> it's up to voters to be savvy consumers of media, to be reading about these things, learning about them and deciding what they think. that's why we have elections. >> the smell doesn't improve. the aroma of this campaign is not improving. thank you both. great reporting. thank you. up next, the fbi's investigating whether russia is trying to interfere with our presidential election through a covert campaign of hacking. looks like it. the question is what are they up to if they're not trying to swing this in one or the other direction. maybe they're just trying to stink it up more. what if a company that didn't make cars made plastics that make them lighter? the lubricants that improved fuel economy. even technology to make engines more efficient. what company does all this? exxonmobil, that's who. we're working on all these things to make cars better

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-- professional said there was credible evidence for them to pursue an investigation into russia's efforts to interfere with our election. hacking the democratic national committee and when putin was asked about it, didn't deny it. in fact, he said it was probably a good thing it happened. and this is the person that donald trump praises. >> very strong statement by hillary clinton. welcome back to "hardball." that was clinton of course on the campaign trail just yesterday out in illinois reacting to the investigation of the potential hacking, political hacking by the russians. a report out from "the washington post" says u.s. intelligence and law enforcement officials are investigating whether russians are in fact trying to interfere with our upcoming presidential election through a covert cyberhacking effort. officials told "the washington post" quote, the kremlin's intent may not be to sway the election one way or the other

but to cause chaos. in fact, one intelligence official cautioned that the intelligence community is not saying it has definite proof of tempering but told the newspaper even a hint of something impacting the security of our election system would be a significant concern. megan murphy, washington bureau chief for bloomberg, christopher dickey from the daily beast and msnbc contributor. and yameche alcindor. megan, what would the russians want to be doing with us? >> vladimir putin was asked about this explicitly in an interview last week and he said look, we are not trying, we weren't involved, we didn't do the dnc hack. i think we have to separate actually trying to throw an election to get that electoral process and actually trying to destabilize it, to attack sort of the rise of democratic policies and to -- >> that's what i think. >> so it isn't so much an overt attempt to steal an election or

hack an election which would be incredibly difficult. it is certainly an attempt to further their efforts to disrupt and make us look bad. >> we are in the midst of this kind of unprecedented election cycle. the idea you can create chaos when you already have a candidate who is saying we need to go out to these election polls and watch who's voting, that donald trump, of course, talking about that. people are already on edge. even bernie sanders supporters just yesterday when i was hanging out with them, they are also feeling like this election was rigged. this idea -- >> you can't throw that one at me. they feel it's rigged. what does that mean, to feel it's rigged? >> they feel it's rigged. >> what do you mean? that's a verb. what does it mean, feel? >> it means they truly believe the election somehow -- >> somehow. >> was somehow -- >> their guy actually won? >> yes. that their guy would have won had the he election somehow bee different. >> if the results had been different he would have won. i'm being tough here. i think it's so third world, so

third world to blame election results on cheating. when 99.99% is you lost, buddy. you just lost. you got less votes than the other guy. he ran a great campaign but hillary reasonable a better one. >> if the idea is to sow chaos, the idea is to have bernie sanders supporters to say the election was stolen from them. the idoiidea is to take credibi away from the elections. >> is that because he does feel a little below us in terms we actually have elections? is he competing with a democracy? >> if we roll the clock back a little bit, the russians see themselves as victims of all kinds of manipulation. they have a fixation on the orange revolution in ukraine, all these color revolutions that have taken place. they see that as covert influence by the west on their political processes. >> is it? >> to some extent, it is. the russians have been hacked a number of times. medvedev, you know, his accounts were hacked. >> you know this game better

than i do. all i remember is when the soviets got their embassy, they had to put it up near the national cathedral, the highest direct line of sight with the white house. so they could do direct surveillance from that one point. we know when our embassy opened in russia, it had already been compromised, all the bugs all the way through it. >> i'm not justifying what putin's doing. i'm trying to see the world as they see it. this is push-back if it's them doing it. this is push-back to the americans. don't screw around with us. don't encourage democracy in ukraine. don't do all these things. >> i believe they want trump to win. vladimir sees a similar kind of guy with a similar cut of his jib, macho man, and he doesn't want hillary to win. what do you think? >> if you listen to hillary clinton i think she is hinting at the fact she also agrees with you. there's this idea they know hillary clinton, putin has worked with hillary clinton so he knows what he's getting out of this. i think there is this feeling that hillary clinton is feeling

like this guy doesn't want me to be president because he don't want to be in a room with me because he remembers what i did last time he was in the room with me. >> which was what? >> i was obviously not in that room but the idea she may be forceful, may have policies. >> here's how trump sees it. his little sexism here looking at it. earlier this afternoon at a campaign event in virginia, donald trump said putin laughs at hillary clinton. and smiles at the thought of her being president. this is trump, sorry, this is vladimir putin as per trump. >> russia, you know, hillary likes to play tough with russia. putin looks at her and he laughs. okay? he laughs. putin, putin looks at hillary clinton and he smiles. boy, would he like to see her that. would be easy. because just look at her decisions. look how bad her decisions have been virtually every decision she's made has been a loser. but, but wouldn't it be nice honestly, because russia, russia doesn't like isis any better than we do. wouldn't it be nice if we

actually got along with russia and you could knock them out together? wouldn't that be a good thing? >> this is nonsense. everybody knows hillary is as hawkish as a democrat can be. >> it's just not the way putin operates, either. he's not going to look at hillary clinton, someone who actively, who he's accused of having protesters try to overthrow him. he looks at her and sees a formidable opponent. no question about that. when he looks at trump, what he sees is someone who can probably likely be manipulated. >> chris, you are closer to paris than we are. >> the term for trump would be useful idiot. >> i couldn't agree more. >> i think hillary's tough. what do you think? i don't think she's any dove. >> i think she would be tough. i think that's why putin doesn't want to work with her. i think he already knows how she works. this is not something as if he has never done a deal with her, never sat in a room behind closed doors with her. >> we will see. the roundtable is sticking with us. up next, these people tell me something i don't know. which should be easy because i just got back from time with my family.

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back with the "hardball" roundtable. tell me something i don't know. >> what you do not know, if you haven't been watching the news, donald trump went to detroit church on saturday and made his spiel and pitch and most people were like oh, my god, no one would listen to him, no one would want to vote for him. i actually talked to several people who are clinton supporters who said i'm not really that sold on clinton and if i had seen this three months ago, six months ago i might have voted for donald trump which was remarkable to me. >> did he mix with the people or just the pastor? >> from my understanding he had a meet and greet for 30 minutes with the congregation. he also mixed with the people. >> okay. chris? >> well, vladimir, crazy ultra right wing politician in russia, he had a dna test done because he wanted to establish that he was related to donald trump. >> and? >> it came back negative. but he still says he loves donald trump and sees a lot of

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air traffic testified that you stated you were returning to laguardia but you did not. >> i realized i couldn't make it back and it would have eliminated all the other options. returning to laguardia would have been a mistake. >> let's get into how you calculated all those parameters. >> there was no time for calculating. i had to rely on my experience of managing the altitude and speed of thousands of flights over four decades. >> you're saying you didn't -- >> i eyeballed it. >> you eyeballed it. >> yes. >> that was a scene from "sully" starring tom hanks as captain chesley sullenburger who in 2009 successfully landed usair ways flight 1549 on the hudson river in new york, directed by clint eastwood. the movie is the untold story of the life or death split decision captain sully was forced to make minutes after takeoff from laguardia. here's more of the movie.

>> mayday, mayday. this is 1549. hit birds, lost thrust on both engines, we are turning back towards laguardia. >> which engine did you lose? >> both. both engines. >> ignition. >> ignition. >> thrust lefrs confirmed idle. >> if we can get a few, you want to land on runway 113? >> we are unable. we may end up in the hudson. >> it's going to be left traffic runway 31. >> unable. >> what do you need to land? >> no relay after 30 seconds. confirmed off. >> too low. terrain. too low, terrain. too low, terrain. too low, terrain. >> this is the captain. brace for impact. >> brace for impact.

we all fear that. all the passengers and crew walked away with their lives, everybody got off that plane. but as the film shows the story did not end on that frigid day in january. joined by the star of the film, legendary actor tom hanks. >> stop shouting at me, chris. stop shouting. i'm with you, baby. i'm right here. >> i got to sell. i think everybody when we heard about that event that we say well, things always go wrong, that went right. because of one guy. >> it was one guy and he had about -- the birds hit about minute 100 and he landed, excuse me. second 100 and he was in the water at second 208. i think he had about 35 seconds to decide what he was going to do and the remaining of that to actually do it safely. >> the choices would have been to try to fly over new york city, probably the most densely populated part of the country, risk the lives of all the people he could have crashed into and not made it. >> i think actually that would have been the standard operating

procedure. if an engine had thrust, if he had had power, he would have done that. but he did not know what the status of anything was at that point and so in talking to him, me that he just felt the physics of it. he felt his body go forward, he realized -- he processed all the information, all the years of experience and said, we have no engines, if we have no engines, i need a big flat space to put this plane down, because i can't make it to teterboro or laguardia. >> isn't that we hope for? any pilot can probably fly in nice weather and everything's fine. but when you're hit by sheering or anything like that, you want the guy who's been through it all. >> i think you do. you want to see a gray hair and a paunch on those guys that walk into the captain's cockpit. >> was it an easy ride once he saved all those people's lives? the thing that grabbed me is how -- when the plane was in the water, before it sank, he's

walking down the aisle, as captain, he's pulled off his ear phones and everything. he's walking down the aisle, all the way to the end of the plane and then back up through the plane. i'm watching every moment of that, making sure there's nobody left on that plane. he wanted everybody alive. >> if anybody's crippled or dies of hypothermia, if anybody drowns, it's on him. his decision would have meant the death of that person or any number of people. so after it was in the water, he had to rely on being saved, quite frankly. because there's nothing he could do. he had landed the plane and he just wanted to hope that people were going to show up and pick everybody up out of the water. and they did. everything that happened to him after was waiting for the shoe to drop of the official investigation that was going to determine the cause of the forced water landing, and if he had anything to do with that cause, he was toast. >> well, watching the movie, if you don't get stunned and excited by the thrill of watching this near-death

experience, for all those people, you're just not alive. because i was overwhelmed by it. let's watch another scene from the movie. here's captain sully with ntsb investigators. >> the best chance those passengers had was on that river. and i'd bet my life on it. in fact i did. and i would do it again. >> engineers are theorizing you would have enough to make it back to a runway. >> engineers are not pilots. they're wrong. they weren't there. >> you stated a dual engine failure due to multiple bird strikes. that would be unprecedented. >> well, everything is unprecedented, until it happens for the first time. >> you remind me, in all the movies, i've seen all of yours, starting with "splash." >> yeah, water is frequent in my career. >> sleepless in seattle, charlie wilson's wars, bridge of spies,

saving private ryan. you come across as the guy like everybody else. not john wayne, but jimmy stewart, a regular, straight arrow stuck in a situation he's not use to. >> my countenance is what it is. i got this voice and this body, there's nothing particularly dynamic -- >> really? >> no one fears me, except my crack staff -- >> you must not be in the news business. >> but i think -- look, when i go to see movies, i always wonder, i could be in that position, except maybe james bond movies, i think, what would i do in the same circumstance? i'm a blank canvas. this is all you get. >> thanks to my parents, we were always movies fans, like "man who knew too much." >> he's a very accomplished guy, sully, but the question, what do i do now? how do i get out of this? >> he wasn't ready for

celebrity. >> oh, no. he wanted to do his job perfectly and get blamed for baggage claim. this was not an enjoyable process for him. he made his peace with it. >> this has been enjoyable. the movie is called "sully," an exciting movie about guts. and sort of the way society deals with a guy with guts. anyway, when we return, my election diary. where this race for president stands just nice weeks to go. you're watching "hardball," yes, i am shouting -- the place for politics! is it a caregiver determined to take care of her own? or is it a lifetime of work that blazes the path to your passions? your personal success takes a financial partner who values it as much as you do. learn more at tiaa.org

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as i said at the beginning of the show, it's great to be back. from now until election day, i want to do something special. i'm calling it "election diary." here it goes. tuesday, september 6th, nine weeks to go to the election day, and the situation for donald trump looms from dire to desperate. you can see the reason in the numbers. i'm using the nbc/"wall street journal" numbers here. looking at the states which are headed toward, leaning toward, likely to go to hillary clinton, she has already reached the 270 electoral votes needed to take the presidency. even if trump pulls a win in every one of the toss-up states -- nevada, nebraska, north carolina, eye, ohio, maine, georgia and florida, even if he gets every one of those, he is still short, still a

loser. torepeat, if trump runs a very good campaign for the next nine weeks, does most things right, few things wrong, wins on points, in other words, he's still out of the money. still has to stand there election night, saluting the next president of the united states, hillary clinton. no, to win this election, it's now clear today, tuesday, september 6th, that trump cannot count on doing well this month and next. what he needs is a man-made mirac miracle, a game-changer, the hail mary, the event that, to use the old language of superman, that changes the course of mighty rivers. well, to me, what comes to mind is the first debate, set for september 26th, when trump stands just a few feet away from the rival he calls crooked hillary. what will he do that night that changes our perception of the choice between these two candidates? what will he say that stuns the voters, who are still listening, that his central message is true. the voter faces one question,

are they happy with the country's direction? are they ready to sign their name to one more underwriting of the country's establishment, or are they ready, given the chance, to take a choice on shaking up the american political system to its roots, to its foundations, to make the politicians of this country, of both parties, shutter? to take a chance at putting a man like donald trump in lincoln's chair? that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> the scams, the frauds, the questionable relationships -- >> labor day sprint is on, and hillary clinton, unloads. >> he clearly has something to hide. >> tonight, renewed controversy over the trump foundation and alleged pay for play. as team clinton thinks they've found the campaign's first real scandal. >> of course i asked donald trump for a contribution, that's not what this is about. >> plus, inside trump's big national security push today.