think about healthcare at all. surround yourself with healthy advantages at aarpadvantages.com/health. from nbc news in washington, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. good sunday morning, on what is a solemn day of remembrance on this 15th anniversary of the.9/11 attacks good sunday morning on this 15th anniversary of 9/11. a moment of silence marked the moment when the very first plane, flight 11, flew into the north tower of the world trade center. immediately afterwards, relatives began reading the nalts of the victims at the trade center. >> lee adler. >> edward l. --

>> all told there are six moments of silence this morning. including one for the crash of flight 93 in shanksville, pancreas. president obama made remarks earlier today and already o observed another moment of silence at the white house. a slew of new polls national and in t in the battle ground states. there was some breaking news with hillary clinton and for that and her health and for that we are going to go to my colleague kristen welker in new york city. what we know is that she left the 9/11 ceremony in new york city early. apparently had some sort of episode. tell me more details. >> left just after 9:30. you are absolutely right chuck. a little earl. the campaign saying she wasn't feeling well.

let me read the statement. says secretary clinton attended the ceremony for just an hour and thirty minutes to pay respects and get -- greet some of the families of the fallen. during the ceremony felt over heated to departed to go to her daughter's apartment and is feeling much better. she left chelsea clinton's apartment. i also asked her what happened. we asked her multiple times. she didn't respond. she said instead it is a beautiful day in new york. she did pause to talk to a child who is walking by. and then she got into her van and drove off. chuck, a little bit of broader political context here. as have been reported there's been republican conspiracy theories about her health. the clinton campaign has pushed back strongly against that.

and so has secretary clinton's physician. saying she is in fine health nor to serve ads president of the united states. she's had a few coughing fits from time to time. she says that is seasonal allergies. but there is no doubt that the timing of this unwelcomed from the perspective of the campaign. the polls are getting tighter as we've been reporting on all week long. so this is not something they want to be dealing with right now as they head into this final fall fight. but again secretary clinton just leaving chelsea's apartment and says she's feeling much better, chuck. >> kristen, thanks very much. before we go to remembering other parts of 9/11, tom, you were there. you are for many people the person that was explaining what happened. that morning. i know it is seared in the memories of anybody particularly in washington and new york that morning. and here we are in the midst of a presidential election that

feels nothing like the mood of the country post 9/11. >> no. that was the longest day of my life. certainly one of the worst days in america. really launched us into a war on the wrong country and a terrible loss in terms of lives. and 15 years later that war is still going on. the consequences are felt every day in families that by the way represent less than one percent of the american population that are fighting that war. i still find that an outrage frankly. the people at the lower end of the scale are the ones going into harm's way. we didn't know immediately what happened but of course terrorism rose to the occasion because of what had been going on with the taliban and.

>> a lot more on this and the show. tom thanks very much. earlier today i spoke with homeland security secretary jay johnson. he was standing a few blocks north of the world trade center. >> a majority of americans say we're less safe today than we were before 9/11. why do you think americans feel this way? >> that's a good question, chuck. americans have seen the attack in orlando. they have seen the attack in san bernardino. they see what's happening overseas. they see what's happening in western europe. in france and belgium elsewhere. and they are rightly concerned about our current security environment. we're safer now when it comes to another 9/11 style attack but we're challenged when it comes to the prospect of the lone wolf actor. the home grown violent extremist

and that requires a new whole of government response and public participation and vigilance as well. >> you said in a recent interview that we have to be concerned about all ranges of attacks. i never categorize anything as low priority, but we have to look at what's high risk and what's less high risk and spend our time accordingly. so what does that mean? are there just some holes that are always going to be there in our security system? >> no. i wouldn't put it that way at all. 've got people devoted to all manner of threats out there. invariably, the high probability, higher probability type of threat, another san bernardino, another orlando, is uppermost on our minds, is the thing that keeps me up at night the most. but we've got threats from -- you know, in siesh security. we've got acyber security.

we've got a a mission devoted to potential for a bio threat. a dirty bomb. we keep our eye on all of it but there are things that are higher probability, and also lower probability but higher impact. we got keep an eye on all of it. >> would you say syria today is as unstable and as much a safe haven for terrorist as afghanistan was in the late nineties and should that concern us considering what happened inside afghanistan that led to 9/11. should we be concerned that ha what's happening in syria could lead to new 9/11? >> i said in 2014 that syria had become a matter of homeland security. our u.s. military along with international partners have done a good job of taking back territory, taking out the leaders of isil. taking out those focused on external attacks. but yes, we have to be concerned

that syria could become another afghanistan. any time a terrorist organization can establish territory, take territory, have a place to head quarter, to train, recruit. that is a big concern and a big homeland security concern. yes, sir. >> this perceived threat to our election system. russia apparently is trying to infiltrate in some ways. but are they trying to create actual havoc or are they trying to create the illusion of havoc? >> well the investigation into the various intrusions we've seen, including the dnc hack is still under investigation. i will say this. it would be very hard to alter a ballot count in a national election and change the vote tally just because our election system is so decentralized. there are some 9,000 jurisdictions involved. i've been sending the message to state and local officials that

we augment to do our utmost to protect their online presence, their internet presence, and the department of homeland security is there if you ask. but they have to ask first. >> how do you handle your birthday? >> well i always take occasion to remember what happened 15 years ago. i'm here in new york this year. i was in shanksville last year. i spent 9/11 at the pentagon. i don't celebrate on my birthday anymore. either the day before or the day after. and i'm not sure i'll ever be in a position to celebrate my birthday again on 9/11 given the huge impression of this day. >> jay johnson, i know it's been very personal for you. and thanks for spending a few

minutes with me. >> thanks for having me on, chuck. >> you got it. turning now to the 2016 campaign. we have a new washington post poll out with hillary clinton leading over donald trump five points. we have some new nbc news wall street journal polls. and we turbine with what perhaps is turning into a rough weekend for hillary clinton. sometimes it is a weekly issue for trump. but this weekend it is the clinton campaign that is scrambling for words to explain just what she meant when she took a shot at trump voters. a criticism that immediately drew sharp reaction. >> you could put half of trump supporters into what i call the basket of deplorables. the racists, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic,islamophobic.

you name it. >> and clinton made the mark republicans hope vetters will never forget. >> hillary, they are not a basket of anything. they are americans and they deserve your respect. >> the trump campaign quickly demanded an apology and tried to capitalize. trump tweeted wow, hillary clinton was so insulting to my supporters. millions of amazing, hard working people. i think it will cost her at the polls. there is a history of presidential candidates becoming too comfortable in friendly crowds. >> there are 47% of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. 47% who are with him, who depend upon government who believe they are victims. >> in 2008, barack obama also at

a fundraiser. talking about how job less -- >> -- >> so how will clinton's opponents attack her? just ask hillary clinton. this is what she said about obama's remarks in 2008. >> i was taken aback by the demeaning remarks senator obama made about people in small town america. senator obama's remarks are elitist and they are out of touch. >> running mate tim kaine said clinton shouldn't have to apologize. clinton rushed to explain releasing this statement. "last night i was grossly generalistic and that is never a good idea. i regret saying half. and that was wrong. but let's be clear. it's deplorable that trump has built his campaign on prejudice and paraphernal paranoia and given a national platform to hateful rhetoric.

>> the deplorable t racists and the haters. >> takes democrats and republicans -- >> the comments just as equilibrate clinton is trying to show voters her warmer side. >> i communicated about classified material on a wholly separate system. >> and it changes the subject from trump world health organization floundered at the event on substance. trump's effusive praise of russian president vladimir putin. >> he's been a leader far more than ours has. >> and state sponsored russian television where he trashed american institutions. it left republicans scrambling. >> vladimir putin is not a republican. he's a dictator. >> are you still convinced that he is the best choice for national security issues? thank you.

>> thanks. -- [ laughter ] >> bring in the panel this morning. tom brokaw is back with us. and -- here is the headline this morning. clinton's deplorables remark m sums up a deplorable election season. wa what was your tioninitial re >> it was a terrible week for politics. we've had a race to the bottom before. it was like usain bolt speed. i was struck by another sentence in that quote about the deplorables that they are irredeemable. there is a reason no religion believes that. if you believe they are irredeemable, they lack soul, they are a lesser category of human beings and that is a dark, dark world view. and that's always been the risk with clintonich as president she

could be very hard working and very efficient but there is a dark world view lurking in there. >> it's tough to defend the remark, is it? or no. do you think it is tough to defend the remark deplorables to do the --? >> -- not. i think her only mistake that she said half of supporters were deplorable. does anyone around this table? have they not seen trump's rallies and own remarks? he is attracting a certain type of voter. she gave a whole speech on describing them. they are called the alt-right. and they tweet racist things. he retweets them. he says it from the stump. and in research from this election we know his own words calling mexicans rapists and criticizing a gold star family, these are the post potent things against him with independent voters. her only mistake was she described half of his sporters that way. >> i won't to put a tweet up

here. >> political incorrect perhaps. >> >>. if i'm a hardware deal ner a small town in ohio and i'm trying to make up my mind you got to wake up the next morning and think she talking about me? i'm kind of -- but is that her thought about me? she also did this at a very glitsy manhattan high stakes fundraiser. i don't think that's what she needs at this point in her life. out there, there are still a lot of people saying i don't quite trust hillary. give me a reason. >> why is it that donald trump gets credit for being

politically correct, telling it like it is. and hillary clinton, some of her supporters are just saying she's just doing what trump does. telling it like it is. >> i think we can put aside for a second there is a segment of trump supporters which surveys have shown do have believes people can talk about as being islamophobic or xenophobic. and putting that aside for a second. what it does is confirms what his supporters already believe, which is that essentially he's this bullwork against pc culture. he's the one leading the charge against that. and they are upset their concerns are routinely dismissed out of hand as being racist or retrograde. and she basically confirmed something they believe. which is democrats don't just think that they are wrong but like look down on them. >> candidates should not be sociologists. they should not be pundits. they should not be at sip rany

in new york where the fundraiser was held and making gross generalizations about people. >> let he do a pause here. we're going to come right back and have this conversation. i also have some new battleground state polls in four states. two from the traditional battle ground. and two from expanded. prominen member of president george w. bush's administration, paul wolfowitz. >> >> mandy change. >> rosa maria chapa. >> 73% of americans try...

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15 in new hampshire. next is nevada. clinton by just two points. when you have a likely voter sample it turns into a trump lead. >> democrats have won new hampshire in five of the last six elections and they have taken nevada in four of the last six. let's look at two red states. arizona, clinton and trump are tied at 37. among likely voters trump gets the slight advantage here. 30-48. double digits for gary johnson. he governed a neighboring state of arizona in new mexico. and in georgia, clinton has a one point lead among registered voters. 42- 42 42-41. it is significant that hillary clinton has managed to put them in play. david, i want to start with a column about this idea of realignment is coming based on a

soernl divide. you write poll dix is catching one the social reality. today between those who feel the core friends of the global information age as tail winds and those who feel them as head winds in their face. and i can point you do this. among college educated voters she's up 20. among non college educated he's up 20. there is your realignment. >> for the last 20 years, if you look at how people behave you do huge predictions based on how often they completed college. how down they vote, give blood, what is their marriage like? and this is the first time we're seeing those chasms reflected in the political polling. suppose one party becomes the party of less college who feel the head winds and that would be the republican party i think. and suppose another becomes the party of the tail winds because they have college degrees is and that will be the democratic

party. suppose the partisan looimt overlaps with the class alignme alignment. >> we've all grown one republicans at the high end of the income scale and are the elitists so this is being turned upside down. i think big, big issue in this country in this election cutting away everything else is just what david talked about. how do we pull the country back together again. it is separating and going a different directions and there's not been either would have been these candidates who have been able to give a city shining on a hill speech like ronald reagan or i have a dream like dr. king because they are so determined to separate the country. and that is i think a terrible precipitation for the future. >> it is going to be like that as long as there is identity-based partisanship. the different groups they rind with these parties but if you think about even your social media networks like the idea

that you are seeing only the news about the stuff you care about delivered the your phone every day. i think silos of where we live and the silos of the information we're taking in is actually exacerbating the problem. >> there are so many different reasons that we've ended up at this plasmts some we can control. some we can't control. but i think -- in addition to the political realignment that's happening, i think that the most pressing issue is whoever wins, the white house in november, there's going to be a huge chunk of americans who are going to feel unrepresented and not heard. and how do you govern? >> angry about it. >> and angry about it. >> look at the -- >> -- so so the mandate to govern will be very difficult and that is something hopefully democrats and republicans will look at each other and okay, this is it. we've got to do something. >> winner at 42% if you look at those poll numbers.

that's almost a minority government. -- so a kid from martha's vind yard. a kid from mobile alabama and just three months it would make a difference. >> i thought national service was going to be a given. we've been talk about it my whole adult life and i can't believe we're not there. >> involved with a academy of the public service in -- state. and when hillary clinton borrows the line from bernie sanders we're going to give free college education to families with --. s she ought to say and if you get that you got to give a year of public service after you graduate. otherwise it just looks like a government give away program of some kind. the other thing is i think we cannot overstate the importance and the effect of social media in this campaign. and it is going on even as we speak here.

and the kind of vitriol on both sides that is out there and people have a hard time deciding what is real and what's not. >> and back to deplorables. it is one of those where i'm wondering. against any other candidate, in any other year, this is a really fatal mistake for her. but have we been conditioned to this harsh rhetoric is this. >> i don't think that people have been conditioned to rhetoric. if they were, then ult have a whole segment of the republican party that aren't for trumpyou have a whole segment of the republican party that aren't for tru trump. republican voters very uncomfortable with trump because of the racist xenophobic, words coming out of his mouth. >> if this is the risk all aloge and make a referendum on trump you have to walk this line of saying a vote for trump is a bad decision or a vote for trump is a bad person. it's hard to unring that bell.

>> also a tie goes trump. if they both have bad weeks, he benefits. >> there was a part of this which he did and i said marco rubio tried this. jeb bush tried this. ted cruz tried this. when you try to hit him. when you go name calling for name calling and you go down to his level, he wins. >> because the supporters already know what they are going to get. and i think a lot of people have already made up their minds on this. i saw bumper sticker yesterday. said i don't know, not trump, 2016. and people know what's going on here. what clinton needs do is make it so that sticker says clinton/kahne and not someone

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who's basically shrugging at the world . why do you not accept that title. >> i was not in charge. and more importantly and i thought at the time there was a lot of things that should have been done differently. if you think about it if we had had a counter insurgence strategy like we did from the surnl if we had had that from a beginning i think iraq would look very different today. instead of waiting to 2007, 8 to defeat al qaeda in iraq they could have been defeated two or

three years earlier. >> you have an advisor to jeb bush. he struggled with the knowing what we know now question would we have invaded iraq? what is your answer? >> we know some things now we didn't know then. we know about saddam ordering his iraqi intelligence service to cooperate with egyptian islamic jihad. it merged with al qaeda and in fact its leader is now the leader of al qaeda. a man named za what hery. and we don't know. we'll never know what the world still be like with saddam hussein in iraq. >> a big assumption. -- for instance, there were no weapons of mass destruction. >> he was a liar. he was deceiving the world on that point, correct. >> that's a big point to deceive

the world on -- >> he was not killing terrorists, let's be clear about that. he was killing his own people on a large scale. he did it in 1991. we saw what he did. don't think it takes a lot of imagination to imagine how he would respond to an uprising. there is a tendency to say it is all around the world. if the americans can put a man on the moon, then why can't they do x and x is some complicated social problem that's been here for centuries and americans often play into that by assuming we can solve everything, we're responsible for everything. hillary clinton was actually right when she said a few months ago the united states didn't create isis. >> whatever you want to think of the strong men, the fact of the matter, as soon as that saddam hussein was serving -- covering up a lot of bad guys. we lifted that rock and chaos

ensued. >> he wasn't covering a lot of bad guys. he was sheltering a lot of bad guys. he had the one perpetrator of the first world trade center bombing who is still at large. he had zarqawi in iraq. when i say assad helped to create isis he did it by driving the sunnis into the desperation where isis is the only choice for them. these dictators brutalize their societies. they divide their societies after they collapse and eventually they collapse, there is nothing left to stabilize the thing or take its place. not every dictator is like that. [ coughing ] i was ambassador in tunisia when -- was dictator.

when sutarto disappeared indonesians were able to run the country in a reasonable way. there was nothing reasonable left in iraq in syria, in libya. >> mostly saudi nationals that flew those planes into those towers. nobody from iraq. and there are a lot people that look and go, why was that our first action? yes we went into afghanistan but why didn't we ever sold saudi arabia accountable. you can make a case a lot more saudis were funding and fuelling these terrorist attacks. >> there is a big problem with the saudis propagating islam and i hope -- >> so they are harboring terrorists. >> cultivating idealogically. the point is you don't deal with that by going to war what. concerned us about iraq -- in

fact we knew he had previously had anthrax. he had previously had sarin. he was working on nuclear weapons previously and he made it clear after he was captured he intended to start all of those again once the sax sangszs were lifted. he was a real danger. and that is why there was a focus on weapons of mass destruction. and people said bush lied. he wasn't lying. he was saying what everyone believed. i heard a remarkable comment this morning by one of the orphans from 9/11. and the son said, 9/11 brought us together. we need to come together as a country -- >> some -- >> -- telling the truth is not bringing us together. >> some could say iraq split us a apart. the fallout. look at the -- more isolationist today. >> i'm not disagreeing with that. but i'm saying if you accuse

bush of lying when he was telling what everyone believed then you are dividing the country and -- >> let me ask you this. who looid? is itied? is it bad intelligence? somebody goz it into this. and somebody convinced the united states congress that weapons of mass destruction were imminent. which is why so many democrats and republicans voted for this war. >> -- discovered he had more. later it seems he was lying they that he ahead more than he really did have because he wanted to supposedly deceive the iranians. the fact is every intelligence service in the world. not just the americans. british, german, french. they all believed he had weapons of mass destruction. >> do you now believe essentially we were wrong and if you think about the public's lack of trust for government right now. that is one of the reasons, that is one of the things over the last 15 years. when you talked about wall street's inability to be

truthful to us. and that now has undermined trust in government. do you believe that? >> i think it's done a lot of harm but i think in fact stating falsehoods like saying that bush lied about it does a lot of harm as well. i believe that if we had had a better strategy in iraq from the beginning iraq would look different today. people would see the issue in a different light. >> how many troops do you think would still there? you said in the past this was more like a germany and korea situation. we probably would have needed troops for 40 or 50 years? >> the issue isn't how many troops you have. the issue is how many americans are getting killed. by the end of the surge very few americans were getting killed. the u.s. can be a stabilizing factor by keeping presence in those countries i think it's important to understand, i do agree that the urn in public opinion in the united states on

this issue is very unfortunate. we're in danger of learning all the wrong lessons from the past. the lesson that intervention is the only thing that is bad. i think we're seeing in syria the consequence of non intervention. i think in libya the consequence of the partial intervention over not following up. >> i'm is this the reason you are leaning against -- >> i'm leaning against boast both of them. i find it incredibly disappointing that we have two candidates who find so little confidence from the american people. >> thank you sir. appreciate your sharing you views. when we come back a reminder of how 9/11 changed us, at least for a while and how it will still drive much of our politics today. >> first you saw that large flag that was unfurled from the top of the pentagon there. and that was just awe inspiring.

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welcome back. it's almost become a cliche to say that 9/11 changed us. it sparked two wars. heightened security everywhere and made us all more aware of the threats around the world. but for a while at least 9/11 brought us together. and in fact made it so democrats and republicans just simply debated and didn't just try to destroy each other. we brought together everyone the tell us how they saw america change and in some cases change right back. >> september 11, 2001 resulted in us waking up on september 12, 2001 and w a phenomenal sense of what it means to be the united states of america. >> i had the sense that most of

us were reaching into an easily accessible well of resolve, will, strength, character, courage. >> first you saw that large flag that was unfurled from the top of the pentagon there. and that was just awe inspiring. >> when i got there at 8:00 we had people in line waiting to buy flags. >> we crawled before we walked. and walked before we ran. >> there were no divisions. there were no colors, no religion, no politics. >> the leaders in congress stood together. the governors of our state stood together. partisanship just seemed to disappear. 15 years later the moments of the country coming together have all but evaporated. >> i think very strong emotions and very strong activities like occurred after 9/11 are very hard to maintain. >> the country seems so significantly divided. i still think there is a lot of optimism and a lot of hopefulness that we can continue

on the great american traditions that we've had for so many years. >> america went from this great sense of being part of the same important fabric of clinging together in times of disaster to political fights and a political system that has encouraged division. >> and we did stand together. even though some of us had differences. we put those differences aside and said we stand together.

back now with our panel. tom i'm going to let you respond first. i have a feeling what you said at the start of the show inspired something paul wolfowitz pushed back on in the interview in the iraq war and about who's responsible for lying to get us into this war. >> lying is a very strong phrase i think it's overinterpreted what they wanted to see there. they came into office determined to get rid of saddam hussein in some fashion. no question. but 9/11 gave them the big opportunity do that. it was unclear about weapons of mass destruction. the u.n. was not certain about what weather they existed or not. i was in iraq twice before the war began. here is what really troubled me. i could be talking to shiite young people. he was a sunni, saddam. and we get together and join

jihad and fight the united states. and i say i'm the united states. there's no washo, boosh, you don't come and tell us what we're going do. i go into a -- run by the shia. these are the toughest guys in baghdad. we don't want you coming in here to tell us how to run our country. so there was not a great up arising that was going to occ r occur. >> it took the democratic party arguably 24 years, 25 years to recovery from vietnam. to be trusted again with national security in the election of bill clinton in 92. even though carter got in there. he baishl got in there and it only reinforced the perception that democrats can't handle national security. how can -- the republican party is still hasn't recoveried from the iraq war. >> democrat did well in '74. >> they did but we were water

gate elections. >> i think parties recovery quickly. what doesn't recovery maybe is the position. the position that america should be intervening abroad. there is a sweet spot between too much intervention and too little. we've swung from here to here and it's become the party of intervention to the donald trump party of non intervention so there is no interventionist party and the gap that the putins exploit and the we've got a bipartisan consensus on foreign policy not get involved. >> and i think hillary clinton is uncomfortable with the -- >> she is. i think she understands the realities of what it means to be president and the threats that you are facing. but i think you are right. how iraq was handled still has hangover on our policies and our politics today. there was a huge coming together after 9/11. there was sport and gathering and pieptsen support for the

afghanistan war. and then they started to beat the war drum going to iraq. there was bipartisan support for iraq. that turned, i remember being with senator kennedy who was one of the only votes against the iraq war and he said mark my words this is going to change. and look how much the iraq war influenced the 2004 election. we're going to be dealing with this for a very long time. one of the major questions this week at the commander in chief forum was where was donald trump on the iraq war. so it is -- it's become a symbol of where you stand in this country and how you are going to defend -- >> it is interesting that that is basically the republic. democrats and republicans don't want to accept -- >> can weem challenge the premise. i grew up in the nineties and i don't remember it being a co kumbaya time politically. i feel like 9/12 was a pause in

civic hostilities just before we had a ruthless election. you had half of the electorate despondn't. >> but they didn't challenge -- the difference i think we're all concerned that if we have another 2000 election that you won't see whoever the supreme courts would say the losing side say okay we've got to respect the constitution. >> in fact because of that -- >> -- one other whiplash moment on foreign politician this week. is putin in russia by the way. we haven't brought that up which was until deplorables basically what was driving the election. >> -- statement on the part of donald trump. [indiscernible] and when he says he has 82% approval rating he's not saying the other 18% are on their way

to a -- somewhere. the fact is he can have any approval rating he wants. he just orders it up. one oi my long-term friends is a russian scholar. spent a lot of time there in the last year. he said things have never been worse between the two countries. that is a very ominous single. >> forearm world chess champion was here on friday. he lives in new york city because his life's in danger in russia. do you think the voters care as much as we in washington do? >> politics is in bad odor, around the world. it stinks. but around the world and in this country and certainly in donald trump's mind that form of suspect and authoritarianism is on the rise. >> back in a moment we'll have

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. back now with our end game segment. one other thing before we get to the nfl. and that was a remarkable comment about donald trump. that donald trump made about this is the last election. which sounded similar to a comment we height here last week from michelle bachman. >> i think will will be the last chance the republicans have of winning. you have immigrants coming in and legalized and they are going to be able to vote and once that all happens you can forget it. >> i've been calling him

election armageddonists. this idea that and i guess it is one way of trying to rally republicans to his side but it is a negative rally. >> sort of the upside down version of something people talk about when they talk about obama coalition, about minority groups becoming the majority. and i think the attempt to say this is the last gasp for white voters. it is not subtle. >> he didn't make it subtle at all. that was not a subtle comment. >> it's racial panic. how about like we're going to be overflooded by brown people. how about trying o appeal to them. >> and also underline and disenfranchise that voting group to say that your votes, they are not the real votes. >> not to out the age of some people around this table but i think some people are old enough to remember when it was the republican party was that of african americans. jackie robinson endorsed nixon over kennedy.

>> dr. king has no better friend than nelson rockefeller, for example. and when the kennedys started to approach the king family they said oh we don't know. and -- said even their maids are white. and irish. and that all changed, once the go goldwater movement takes over. whoever wins or loses is how these two parties if they are able to reconstitute themselves as the democrats did with bill clinton and i don't know if that's possible anymore in the era of social media and all the divisions that are in both parties at this point. i just don't know whether that is possible. >> today is first sunday of the nfl season. falling on 9/11. sports was a tremendous unifier in the country after 9/11 particularly. but this is an unusual day for the opening of football season. colin kaepernick.

and more and more sports figures have decided, i don't know what it is. maybe the ali effect. maybe educated a whole generation of new athletes to say maybe i should use my platform differently. >> i hope that is the case. and we saw this happen in the nba last year. and look, i think some good is coming out of this. he's forcing a discussion. his teammates across the league are supporting him. and his -- you know, real benefits are going to people who are trying to force change and ensure equal justice. >> can i salute the threat whose wi -- athlete whose will stand for the national anthem. they are expressing faith in the ideals of the country. we always have problems but we stand in honor of those for the faith. >> that's the last word. we'll be back next week. because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press."

♪ ♪ good day. i'm chris jansing at msnbc world headquarters in new york. hillary clinton now back home in chap koa after falling ill at the world trade center 9/11 ceremony. this new video shows clinton from the morning, clearly unstable helped by secret service into her motor cade. here she is a few hours later waving to onlookers before heading home to chappaqua and th