trump for 15 years, i demo how to hear him. he has never said he likes vladimir putin, he's never said he agrees with his policies, he's never said he agrees with his -- he's got strengthnd he's got good poll numbers. so he talks about the strength of putin and i think he says it as an admiring adversary, i know i'm going to have to deal strongly with this guy because he is strong. barack obama has thought he could charm vladimir putin, we have seen what's happened to the world because of that naivete. >> has it been comfortable for you on the inner circle. you went after and your locked up jared cushner's father, jared

cushner who is now trump's son-in-law, has that made things -- >> life takes us through lots of different roads. and if you had told me ten years ago that this is the road i would be on now, i wouldn't have believed it. >> ten months ago. >> maybe. but no, it's not been a problem, brian. >> how much of a factor do you believe the trouble with the bridges gate was a factor in you not getting picked for vice president. >> i'm sure it was a factor. >> how big? >> you would have to ask him. but i'm sure it was a factor. >> is there anything you fear with former aids of yours taking a stand in the trial that's going on? >> i have been investigated by everybody for the last three years including by this network, and nobody has ever been able to prove that i knew anything or had any role in this. this trial will confirm that. but there will be critics who will never want to believe that

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the cover of "newsweek" driving the news on the campaign trail tonight. the article is called "in the company of trump." it's a detailed look at the trump organization, where it operates and where the conflicts might arise if donald trump is elected president of the united states. and we welcome tonight the man who did the leg work and the reporting and wrote this investigation, kurt ikenwald of "newsweek," first full disclosure, number one this is the most traffic "newsweek" will have received in a long, long

time. the article is longer than godfather 1 and 2. but people should read it. it's received a lot of traffic today. i have seen you on television all day long, you just heard my attempt with governor christie to talk about what conflicts there might be. tell me what you found, how you define the trump organization, it's breadth and scope. >> the biggest problem with the trump organization is that virtually nobody in this country understands what it is. there is an entity that has about 500 different sub groups, partnerships, corporations, that are based here, that are based overseas and almost all of them have partners and what i started digging into is, well, who are the overseas partners, which of these entities have an overseas

partner. and the more of dug into them, the more i began to find partnerings emerging who ended up being tied to foreign governments who in turn had interests that conflicted with the national security interests of the united states. and so as you traced it back, it became very apparent that a donald trump presidency would mean you would have a first family where they would have to choose between do we make a million dollars or do we do the right thing for the united states of america. and the realty is, no one will know what's driving the answer because no one is being told all these connections. i only have 15. there are 500. >> and kurt, while we do urge folks to read the article in full, tell folks the problem with this very simply tossed off phrase of blind trust, why won't it work in this case?

>> a blind trust is something politicians use where they say they have a portfolio of even 100 investments. let's make it simple. and they take an independent person and today turn over those investments and that independent person makes decisions on buying and selling, that way if i'm the politician, i have no idea what is in that trust and the independent person who is independent from me isn't going to tell me anything. trump is saying, i'll throw the donald trump organization into a blind trust, that's already absurd. you can't have a blind trust when you know what's in it. and that's the only thing that will be in it. secondly the people managing this blind trust are his children. they're not an independent group, they're not people who have no relationship to him. so he knows what's there, he can see what business they're doing, and his children are the ones

who are taking the role. this is not a blind trust in any way, shaper form. on top of that, making it even worse, all of the partnerships that currently exist are contractual. they will still exist when donald trump is president. he knows that he has a partner in india who is currently under criminal investigation, he knows that he has a partner in turkey who is currently indicted and is fighting with the president of turkey. he knows that he has a partner whose father is a member of the government who american intelligence believes has been laundering money for the iranian government. he knows all of these things, and he knows that his decisions in each of those countries, relating to all of those issues can affect his children's wealth

and his own wealth. >> it's been now the end of a long day for kurt eichenwald, author of the article "in the company of trump." kurt, thank you very much for staying up late and talking about your work, which will i presume stay in the conversation surrounding the trump campaign. another break for us and when we come back, trudonald trump taki the lead in some swing state polls, what is behind this and what will be the affect eon the hillary clinton campaign as she gets ready to hit the road again? you can stay with me. thanks. i've already lost enough today.

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town, he went to speak at the bethel united methodist church after visiting the water plant. but something happened during his remarks, he did his usual thing, he went after hillary clinton until the pastor stopped him and said that wasn't the deal. here's what happened. >> china now, if you look at the deficit of $500 billion, hillary failed on the economy, just like she's failed on foreign policy. everything she touched didn't work out, something. now hillary clinton -- >> mr. trump, i invited you here to thank us, not to give a political speech. >> okay, okay, that's right. flint's pain is a result of so many different failures. i never would, never would.

and frankly "time" magazine, as you know, they reported this year that the federal government have got a long way to go to bring flint back and i look at the damage done and the damage can be taken care of. and the damage can be corrected and it can be corrected by people that know what they're doing. unfortunately, the people that caused this tremendous problem had no clue. >> it was to say the least, an unusual decision, an unusual event in flint, michigan and kind of the definition of a tough crowd. we want to bring in joy reid, who we welcome to the 11:00, about to be 12:00 shift. of all things the a.m. joy here

on msnbc. and nicole wallace, and with us from annapolis tonight. stewart stevens, strategist for the 2012 romney campaign. stewart, welcome to you as well. joy, flint, michigan has been near and dear at this network, flint, michigan has been an ongoing crisis, talk about trump's decision to go there today. >> yeah, absolutely and the mayor of flint who was on with rachel maddow earlier today, she made a very pointed statement about his visit, saying she's heard nothing from him throughout the course of his campaign, both hillary clinton and bernie sanders both visited flint. but what happened as donald trump is trying to do, you do

outreach without laying the ground work, he's trying to address an african-american audience that's not completely controlled. people want to know what he's going to do about his housing discrimination, he hasn't had to address that because he hasn't been put in front of the ncaa or the urban league, he's turned down those opportunities, as pastor timmons, i have a friend whose aunt lives around the corner from that church. and she summed it up that there was not exactly a welcome wagon for donald trump today. >> stu, this was the second stop on trump's day, the first, that almost popeilian appearance on dr. oz. i don't know any other voters who are saying i'm going to see both candidates' triglycerides

before i make this decision. what do you think the net effect of all this health discussion, either v either vis-a-vis trump. >> he's climbed the seven summits on the seven con continents, i think that hillary clinton's not campaigning, she can get over that and she'll be back campaigning, these races have a certain rhythm to them. i think we're going to be in the changing range until the first debate and that not surprisingly will be a very big moment. >> do you think that these battleground states, if you're in ohio, if you're a democrat, that's kind of what you want for the fuel of the clinton campaign for them to get their act in

gear and get motivated? >> presidential races are the super bowls, they're usually very tough. you know, nicole will remember well the long night that we had in 2004 over ohio, we couldn't declare a victory until the next day. the structure of these races almost determines they're going to be tight. i think you have to wait and see how these things are going to slug out. but it seems interesting that there seems to be astonishment being expressed that trump is even in this race. i think it's naive, he's nominee of a major party. it will be close. i think clinton has the definite advantage. >> i have to tell stewart steven's story. this is what we do. i called stewart thursday and i said what are you doing? he said i'm just leaving a wake, i said oh, my god, i'm so sorry, why did you pick up? he said, no, a wake for the republican party.

i think the fact that it's close is structural, it's about what's going on in this country. it's not -- you asked about competing health reports, there is really not a comparison, once again between what she released and what we think he's going to two tomorrow. i'm always nervous on the eve of them doing the same thing that we lump them together. >> another break for us, we'll be right back. people say, let's just get a sandwich or something.

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. our thanks to stewart and joy and nicole, even expanded to an hour, we still didn't have enough time for that conversation. we also wanted to show you this, you know about the donald trump appearance on the dr. oz show tomorrow. leading up to today's taping, there was some confusion as to whether donald trump would in fact release the results of his physical. our own kate snow caught up with dr. oz after today's taping.

>> i was surprised, i looked at them and tried to process it pretty quickly, and i got to tell you, as a doctor, if he was my patient, things looked pretty good. he had a calcium scan, he had chest x rays and ekgs plus the lab results he did last week. >> he's told you he doesn't really exercise, he doesn't eat right. >> you can't argue with the test results, as a doctor, all i can do is assess what i was given. and genes do play a role. >> do you think we need to see more from donald trump that we got today? >> the letter that i got is typically what i would get, if i was taking care of a patient and they're coming to see me for the first time. so it is the standard, for many

physicians at least as a starting point. >> what did you see there, what was your judgment? >> if he was my patient, i think the results were good for a man of his age. >> after the taping, we'll find out more tomorrow, another break for us right now. when my doctor told me i have age-related macular degeneration, amd we came up with a plan to help reduce my risk of progression. and everywhere i look... i'm reminded to stick to my plan. including preservision areds 2. my doctor said preservision areds 2 has the exact nutrient formula that the national eye institute recommends to help reduce the risk of progression

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stage in north carolina, that's when we learn more about hillary clinton's health. i guess she has the definition of what our moms called walking pneumonia. we'll see today was a weird day in the news. it was -- today was a weird one. i searched out weird, i like weirdness in the news, a lot of days seem weird to me, today was really weird. the article did come out in "newsweek," of donald trump's business interests abroad, business interest and financial linkages that could be a real mess in terms of conflicts of interests. whether or not he suffers formally from the business empire that is his name. if donald trump is elected is that they'll separate him from the company, but he'll just hand the whole thing over to his children.