that's how we could get to 269-269. that will do it for this hour and this week for us. mtp daily will start right now. if it's friday, donald trump, the most prominent birther says never mind? tonight, donald trump tries to dismiss years of birtherism with one sentence. >> president barack obama was born in the united states, president. >> president obama doesn't buy it and neither does hillary clinton. >> donald trump owes him and the american people an apology. >> when i hear folks saying they don't feel inspired in this election, let me tell you, i

disagree. i am inspired. >> why is this the most election of our time. just like every other. this is mtp daily when it starts right now. good evening. i'm chuck todd here in washington. welcome to mtp daily. what a bizarre and remarkable is a word to describe it. extraordinary day and week in this campaign. trump built a towering political brand on three things. biggererism is one and two he is not a traditional politician and an image of certainty. now with election day in sight, his political identity is risked. trump publicly questioned the president's birth place. it was a launching place into a dark part of the party and he

grew it to becoming the nominee. even after the president released his long form birth certificate, trump kept at it. check out these tweets. a credible source told me barack obama's birth certificate is a fraught. how amazing the state director who verified copies of his birth certificate died in a plane crash today and all others lived. he tweeted this. attention all hackers, you are hacking everything else, so hack obama's college records and place of birth. here's trump talking about this multiple times in 2015, including as a presidential candidate. >> he gave a birth certificate. whether or not that was a real certificate because a lot of people question it, i certainly question it. >> do you accept that president obama was born in the united

states? >> i don't know. >> hoary released his birth certificate. >> for you believe that, that's fine. whether he did or not, a lot of people don't agree with you on that by the way. >> as late as this morning, trump would not go back on those comments. that's when make this is statement today arguably so risky for him. >> president barack obama was born in the united states, period. now we all want to get back to making america strong and great again. >> was that a hostage take? you can't tell. such a dramatic change of heart days before the first debate and weeks before the election. isn't that the calculation trump mocks? he said he is the anti-paul, but this move is pure paul and raised serious questions with the trump faithful.

does he believe in anything? there is one possible side effect that the campaign may be betting on. he claims that clinton started the biggerer movement in 2008 which is not true. it reminds voters of the primary where race did play a role. the clinton campaign did throw the kitchen sink at obama and there was a rogue supporter who was trying to pass around rumors. the trump campaign might be hoping to use that to their advantage. they may never vote for him, but maybe it's about is you pressing turn out. in a rally in washington, clinton went full bore at trump. >> his campaign was founded on this outrageous lie. there is no erasing it in history. barack obama was born in america, plain and simple and donald trump owes him and the american people an apology. donald trump is unfit to be

president of the united states. >> president obama and michelle obama dismissed the birther event as a side show. >> we have other business to attend to. i was pretty confident about where i was born. i think most people were as well. my hope would be that the presidential election reflects more serious issues than that. >> who questioned and continue to question for the past eight years up through this very day whether my husband was even born in this country. i think barack has answered those questions with the example he set by going high when they go low. >> rick tyler, the former drkt director for the cruz campaign

with trump faced its own birther attacks from the purnt nominee. welcome. >> glad to be here. >> give me your sense of what you make of today. >> one of the most bizarre incidents in political history. the spectacle of it all, he wouldn't say how he was going to talk about the birther incident and had all of media and many of the networks carry it live for a half hour and he had seven seconds of dismissing the birther incident. i never have seen anything like this. why they are doing it is the debate is am category up and you will probably get 20 or 30 or more million viewer who is will watch the debate and cannot afford to have this topic be in front of that many viewers. >> i guess i get that, but why the weird statement? why not some form of admitting

you are wrong or repudiation or apology. kelly ann conaway said i am not getting on the plane until you make the statement. >> trump's senior communications adviser and kelly ann conaway and rudy giuliani all said he now believes barack obama was born in the united states and none of us heard that. he does say it and he found in a trump-like way to say the statement he was born in the united states and blamed it on hillary clinton which is remarkable. something i predicted right before it happened. >> i want to play an interesting statement from sam who said this to chris hayes and implied this was always a political calculation from trump from the beginning going back to 2011. take a listen. >> i do understand why people found this insulting. i could see why people thought it was racist, but i think it

was a smart move for trump to use initially when he introduced himself into the cycle. we are talking about for the republican primary. >> he was implying that it was strategic. in fact i had somebody else make a similar case that donald trump, the famous businessman was not going to find a natural constituency and grabbed on to something that would give him credibility with one part as he perceived as the republican base. >> that may be true, but more than that if you look back to the press conference that donald trump held in a new hampshire airport in the hanger, he shared a split screen with the president of the united states. when does that happen and when does the president of the united states share a split screen and it happened again today. huh a split screen between donald trump's announcement or press conference between him and the president's reaction. it is remarkable. he is benefiting for the huge

amount of media that he got out of the issue and now it has come full circle and it is backfiring. >> i hear you, but did this do it? did this hand the clinton campaign who is struggling to get the coalition and the obamas are more animated than ever. >> hillary clinton was having a terrible two and three weeks between the basket of deplorables and her health. now he is giving her a lifeline to move the momentum back. now she has something to talk about. from their point of view that is worth doing, no, i don't think it will work. >> how much damage did the birther issue do to ted cruz? >> hard to tell. we didn't hear a lot about it

and get asked a lot about it from the cress. he had two former solicitor generals who said one democrat and one republican, the whole thing that is funny about the obama issue, his mother was an american so even if he was born in kenya, which he wasn't, he is still an american citizen. it's much a do about nothing. >> you have a weirdly named podcast. >> greatly named. >> political analyst. the birther movement. why are we here? >> what i'm trying to figure out is --

>> you can just erase your entire current political identity that was built on this issue. shamelessly many people believe it. now it's gone in one second. >> in tv, you can. we go from one season to the next. >> it was all a dream like in dallas. >> who shot j.r. >> i am puzzled as to why we are having this conversation? i take your point and it's a good that they figured the question may come up in the debate. we will plan for that in the debate. now you created a window where you gave them something else to talk about. don't what the upside is. maybe they think people will move on. >> he didn't seem like his heart

was into it. he didn't seem believable. it is harder to not view this as a political calculation given that he spent eight hours and bob asked him directly, was president obama born in the united states. his standard answer is i don't talk about it because it distracts people. sometime between then and 11:00 this morning, he was given information that fundamentally altered the five years of skepticism? that is not believable. he needed a way to establish himself within the party, particularly because he was a democrat. he needed a few days and this was a way in. he throws it out the window. >> i have been hearing from

trump supporter who is said he was brilliant and he created this spectacle and you were stuck and sitting there lording over. i don't know if it bought him anything. i don't buy that it somehow -- yeah, he suckered us for 25 minutes of air time, but for what? >> he did sucker everybody because i was watching all of it, but he bought himself a world of trouble in the days to come. it's similar to me to think about hillary clinton's handling of the e-mail controversy. she comes out and has a conference that raises more questions than it answers. he gives the proof of life hostage statement that can't possibly be the end of it. i would clear it up and clean it up before the debates and he now enraged two groups of people. the birthers who were with him

and that he is lying about hillary clinton. >> why did he do it? we know why he did it. the people who believe that barack obama was not born this this country are going to be for him anyway. i believe no matter what he said, he is just saying that. we know what he believes. he can't win with that number of people. we know that. that's not enough people. he has to convince -- pennsylvania. people who live -- white suburban women in chester county. he must convince them he is not a racist. >> this is the muslim thing and trying to walk back. >> he will convince all the white suburban women by lying? that doesn't seem like the best tactic. >> but you are assuming that they don't believe that already.

and again, think the way he went about this. i can't imagine this is what they thought. >> you scripted this moment. if you don't script anything in your exam pain. >> this was scripted by trump. >> for them, they have to script this moment because exactly what you said. afterwar afterwards, you don't want to go on "meet the press" this sunday and have chuck say now that you said this and opened doo this door again, have the conversation. >> you have to -- in my opinion, if you are a debate moderator, you must say your position changed on this. why? there has to be something. this is something you spent years talking about it. six years. something that lots of people rally behind and he brought the conversation. you don't get to say remember

how i ran you down for years? chuck is a good guy. >> that has worked. >> someone needs to call him on that. >> he is living in a different world than how this works than the rest of us. he may argue that it worked for him so far. look where i am. i don't see it here. >> he can argue i changed my position because he produced the birth record. >> that happened. already. i have a time cap here and a lot of good stuff to get to. it's not just hearing the three of your voices. coming up, michelle obama had ideas on how to solve the millennial problem. we will see if they listen. keep it here. ♪

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finances. right now i'm going to do the tax returns when obama does his birth certificate. >> years and a nomination later, we haven't seen donald trump's tax returns. all of us will keep asking until we see them, but as we wonder what is in the returns, we will look back at the candidates that they did find themselves in when they made their forms public. he believes mitt romney lost because of what was reveal and showed millions of dollars in his ira and money in a swiss bank account. obama got heat when his return showed donations to jeremiah write. in the early 90s, the clinton his to reimburse the government that they had improperly claimed deductions for interest that was pate by the whitewater development company.

donald trump called this an intrusion of privacy and reporters found reagan paid no state income tax at all in california in 1970. that is the trouble. some do get trouble when they release them. but until we see the returns, folks can only speculate when they think will be in them. you would think he would want to get rid of the innuendo and show what he has. we will be back after this. like our passive aggressive environment. we're not passive aggressive. hey, hey, hey, there are no bad suggestions here... no matter how lame they are. well said, ann. i've always admired how you just say what's in your head, without thinking. very brave. good point ted. you're living proof that looks aren't everything. thank you. welcome. so, fedex helped simplify our e-commerce business and this is not a passive aggressive environment. i just wanted to say, you guys are doing a great job. what's that supposed to mean? fedex. helping small business simplify e-commerce. customer service!d. ma'am. this isn't a computer... wait. you're real?

with discover card, you can talk to a real person in the u.s., like me, anytime. wow. this is a recording. really? no, i'm kidding. 100% u.s.-based customer service. here to help, not to sell. when i hear folks say they don't feel inspired in this election. i disagree. i am inspired. i am inspired by her persistence and consistency and her heart and her guts. >> that was michelle obama making the case for hillary clinton today in fairfax, virginia. virginia was supposedly off the board and they were getting

nervous about virginia again. elizabeth warren and bernie sanders to target the 18 to 34-year-olds that hillary struggles with. president obama sits at 54%. only 26% of those hold a positive view of clinton. they seem to be flirting with a third party. clinton had a two-point edge over gary johnson among voters over 35. johnson was ahead of trump and they will have an opportunity. they battled access in 45. as clinton tries to reboot after recovering for pneumonia, can she show young voter what is she stands for rather than being the candidate who is never trump.

>> how did a 74-year-old democratic socialist become the candidate of millennials and hillary clinton wants to be the first woman president not been able to? . >> the free college tuition and dealing with a lot of issues that the voters care a lot about or into the future. i think if i give advice here, i think clinton has a platform to run on that is aspirational. they were heading in that direction. if they give millennials something to vote for, they will get immediate success. >> this has been a problem for her. they were not millennials then. i don't know what we were talking about then, but she lost that group then and lost them in the primaries to you guys.

it was always they will be there at the end. was it the trump thing they miscalculated? >> coming out of the convention, there was a sense that the campaign was moving in the right direction, but i have ever confidence that they will recover. it is not going to focus you on the country, but they get a chance to see both candidates head to head. hillary clinton can make a case for why she will be better for the future of this country. >> does it matter what bernie sanders or elizabeth warren tells them? is it transferrable? >> look, i'm obviously a bernie sanders partisan so i think he

can transfer some of that. because he can talk about the issues that resonated in his campaign and hillary shares the values and the issues. right going into the convention, ki hillary adopted that and she has been there on the climate issue. those are vital with the issues. >> gary johnson is getting a lion's share, not jill stein. is it the libertarian thing? is it the marijuana? >> there is some of the that, but two issues that you have to listen to. one is margin. barack obama got 6% of vote under 30. 2012 he got 60%. a lot of people don't remember this, but in four battle ground states in 2012 in ohio, pennsylvania, virginia and florida, obama lost the vote

over 30. he won voters over 30. what you saw today was a good example that the obamas can be critical in terms of bringing out the enthusiasm and the quality to her candidacy. >> what's the best way for her to talk to the voters? i'm not talking about issues, but it's a tv advertising. what is the best way to have the conversation? >> among younger voters, college campuses are a great way to go. bernie sanders went to the campuses and made the case. >> a bunch of voters 22 to 35. where do you talk to them? >> i think that is a platform that said hey, i'm here to talk to you about the future of our country and the issues that are

really critical. social media is critical and i think you have to be able to communicate and i think the clinton campaign has done a good job, but you have to be there in the digital world to be able to communicate with the younger voters. >> you doing me an observer. >> i would love to see hillary be the nominee, but having a few weeks off has been nice. >> let me know how it works. we will talk to dave ferry about why his favorite battle ground state is florida, florida, florida. it may again decide this election.

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florida, florida, florida. it's something we say a lot about that around here. it's near it and dear to our hearts and my next guest knows florida, lives in florida, and does love florida, i swear. but said it has become the joke state. in the new book, the best state ever, a florida man defends the homeland and said it's because of the election that the nation formed a negative image as being a subtropical festival of

stupid. and today florida, once a quiet back water is a modern and dynamic state that entered the 21st century in 437 bc. joining me now is the winner and author, dave barrett. hello, sir. the only people allowed to trash florida are floridians. >> how do you define a floridian. i moved there in 1986 from the united states. 30 years. most people. i bet i lived in florida longer than you. >> that is correct. it's presidential policy. you say the 2000 election cemented it. it's a butt of jokes. why isn't florida california? why isn't it texas and why didn't it become one of the two states and why is it the

sediment? >> the truth is although my book is basically in defense of the state, people do an amazing number of weird and stupid things in the state of florida and do them publicly. my statistic is we have 6% of the nation's population and we produce 57% of the nation's weirdness. you know that florida man and it's true, there is an endless stream of people if you read a story that number was snaked in wal-mart, you know that happened in florida. >> if it didn't, why didn't it? >> right. but the argument i make is that as a rule, those people like me didn't start out. nobody is from florida. >> i made an argument that in odd ways it is. you can make a political argument, but even with the trump and the clinton supporters

and the sanders supporters. i don't know if you can get with the statistics, but it's the most diverse state with sections that have nothing to do with the others. nobody in north florida has anything to do with anybody in miami. nobody in naples has anything to do with anybody in tallahassee. they are enclaves and nobody said when florida gets attacked, we will stand up for the state. they said yeah. >> the one thing florida has is nobody says i'm from florida. they will say they are from miami. they take pride in the specific location they are from. what do you make of that? >> because we are -- everybody is from somewhere else. in miami where i live, this is

not a novel observation, but it's a latin community. much more than anywhere else in the country, i'm sure. a lot of folks tend to identify with the foreign policy. i can't remember your question, but that's my answer. >> if it's about florida, you don't want to know the question. you have been at the conventions and is it that or no? >> no. for two reasons, you cannot exaggerate. like today, i don't know when this is going to air, but the dig news is a major presidential candidate declaring that his hotel was open and the president of the united states is from the united states. >> this is a real story. >> it's like the news and

everyone is covering it as if it was the news. it's baffling. it's the news today. you can't mock the campaign the way you could when it was traditional candidates. >> miss gore-bush. >> they were not that funny themselves, but this year the candidates are funny. i know hillary doesn't get credit the way trump does for being funny. mrs. clinton. she is not openly funny the way trump is openly funny. in the end, i think the controversy surrounding her is bizarre. >> how should the country feel if on election night we are waiting fwait g waiting for for florida? they were deciding clinton or

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medical records and tax returns. we have dr. oz involved in this story somehow and then the trump foundation that found it broke rules and used funds to buy a portrait of trump. by the way, the new york attorney general i think opened up an investigation wednesday and all about the dueling medical reports. clinton released more detailed information from her doctor and we had another hack. by the way, the colin powell e-mails. proof that no one in washington is above the fray. america's one-man focus group. and then birtherism is back. >> this was a good week. >> what are the hell is this campaign about anymore? i don't know what it's about. i am confused. >> as a critic, this mini series has too many plot twists and totally not credible. that would never happen in real

world politics. this went off the rails a long time ago, but good grief. it's worse. >> they talked to him about a chaos candidate from before. the more it feels like a thousand things, even if it doesn't in the microlook like it's good for him, i think the birther thing is clearly done strategically, but the more it feels like -- what you read felt like a month to me. development, development, development. the more people feel overwhelmed. if he can boil it down to change versus more of the same, if we can, that choice is a good one. she will never be the change candidate and we are in a change election. i just don't know if he can do

that. that's what he has done from the moment he came down the escalators and made it a change politics. this is not anything we've ever seen before or known. you laid out a litany of stuff that happened in seven days. and, trust me, the birther stuff, watch the numbers. just watch where they go. donald trump has his finger on a pulse in this country that is absolutely amazing in politics. >> but you know what i didn't tread in there was -- nothing about tpp, nothing about an economic tax plan, which, by the way, trump did roll out his tax plan. >> and i was going to say, two things that were left out of the week were, actually had these weird glimmerings of something that we forgot was part of a presidential campaign, which is substance. so we had a conversation about child care and maternity leave and that was an interesting moment. and he laid out an economic plan. but there is no way in the world

of trump that substance can break through the craziness. >> michael, i want to go back to -- and chris, you said it, i'll be honest, when jeb bush first used that term, chaos candidate, i thought, oh, good grief. i was thinking of captain chaos of like -- come on, dude. how about a better thing? man, i am sorry, governor bush, you are right. the chaos and i'm with chris here. i think this is a strategy. >> i agree with chris. >> he wants a tornado around him, and he's the stable guy in the middle. >> because that's what people are used to seeing and experiencing in their everyday lives when they turn on those little box and watch a program. because this so much mirrors and mimics that. and what he's done is he's brought it to them live. they get every night in their living room or at 11:00 in the morning. >> there is a sense, briefly, there is a sense, you talk to anyone who is not us watching this campaign, people who are paid to watch it, every person i

talk to, there is this sense of like, man, i can't imagine what's coming next. it is an episodic creation of -- >> the anecdotal -- >> no, we know it's not a reality show, but what's he going to do? literally, they leave it with a cliff-hanger, the next day, there's something new. >> in the olden days, you couldn't wait for the next republican debate, because what would he do next. i think the chaos is part of his theory, i'm not sure it's part of the campaign's theory. you keep hearing kellyanne conway talking about trump the substantiative candidate, and they had a plan for the week that i don't think involved a revived birtherism discussion. >> i think he personally, forget strategy, because ultimately, most of the time, he's his own strategist. i think he personally likes. look, what do we know about him from the business world? he didn't have a plan every day. he sat down and let it come to him. he likes that. he thinks he thrives on that. whether he does or not, he may not. >> can i just force the -- so

this is the environment he's created. you're hillary clinton, what do you do? >> you stay doing what you do. you can't do what -- we've seen, you can't. remember when marco rubio for 30 days tried to match him? disaster. you have to keep doing what you do. be the policy person, be the serious person. own the status quo. you're never going to hold chaos over him. >> no, you let chaos happen and then you quote chaos and take all the little sound bites of chaos and put them in your commercials. >> but that's not doing her any good. she's losing with that strategy, because it is not connecting to the people who are in the moment. >> let me throw another shot at you guys. is this the week that the country said, oh, my, he might win? >> yep. >> this is the first week i have genuinely felt this race is up for grabs. i no longer -- i no longer am of the, oh, no, no, no, there's just mathematic -- does that change how voters start reacting to trump? >> it may incentivize some of

those millennials who thought, you know, they're unhappy about bernie, and they could sit it out, or maybe they'd kind of cast their protestee vote for gary johnson or jill stein, may get them energized. it's keeping my poor mom up at night. and i'm having a harder time calming her down. sorry, mom. >> last word. >> i think it is a real thing now. i think the debate, it was going to be important anyway, because 80 or 100 million people are going to watch. i think it's even more important. but i think he will not, i don't think, try to be a statesmen. >> no, he won't. >> it's just not who he is. and he's not gotten to this point by doing that. >> ruth, chris, michael, what a week, what a day. thank you all. "in case you missed it" is next. s infinite scalability. the microsoft cloud helps our customers get up and running, anywhere in the planet. wherever there's a phone, you've got a bank, and we could never do that before. the cloud gave us a single platform to reach across our entire organization. it helps us communicate better.

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and finally, in case you missed it, this is the most important election of our lifetimes the. of our lifetime. just ask hillary clinton. >> there are just 54 the days until election day. just 54 days until the most consequential vote of our lifetime. >> or donald trump. >> this is going to be the last election we have a chance to make this country great again. >> how about michele bachmann, never to be outdone, said this in an interview with the christian broadcasting network. >> i don't want to be

melodramatic, but i do want to be truthful. >> sure. >> and i believe without a shadow of doubt, this is the last election. >> end of days, right? but this shouldn't be much of a surprise, because if you've been paying attention, every election is the most important election of our lifetime. 2008, senator obama said this, this is certainly the most important election in my lifetime, and not just because i'm running. 1984, president reagan said this. this is the most important election in this nation in 50 years. think this is all new? just consider what general james lane once said. we've had many important elections, but never one so important as that now approaching. i love the colloquialism. and who is general james lane, an important supporter of president abraham lincoln in 1864. so remember, 2016, this is the biggest one ever, ever! that is, until at least 2020 when president hillary clinton faces ted cruz or president donald trump is up against elizabeth warren and we're faced wi with, yes, the single most

important election of our lifetimes. that's all for tonight. we'll be back monday with more about the most important election of our lifetime, circa 2016, and of course, tune into sunday for "meet the press." this election will be really important on sunday as well. "with all due respect," an important one, starts right now. i'm john heilemann. >> and i'm mark halperin. with all due respect to president obama and secretary clinton, you weren't the only ones donald trump annoyed today. >> i don't really quite know what to make of that, except that we got played again by the trump campaign, which is what they do. >> the media got pimped and played by donald trump again. >> didn't he shrewdly use the media today -- >> and, and -- >> in a sense, you could say he was leveraging five years of birther controversy to promote his hotel. >> it's hard to imagine this as anything