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serious, but all are expected to survive. police found a pressure cooker just four blocks north of the explosion site. investigators do not yet know if the explosion was caused by a similar device. officials shut down several blocks of manhattan between 14th and 32nd streets and 5th and 8th avenues. they have enhanced security across all five new york city boroughs. >> there is no evidence at this point of a terror connection to this incident. this is preliminary information. it's something we will be investigating very carefully, but there is no evidence at this point of a terror connection. but we do want to be very clear, the early indications, the initial indications is this was an intentional act. >> just 11 hours before the chelsea explosion, a device went off in a garbage can in seaside

park, new jersey. mayor de blasio says there is no indication that the incidents are related. richard engle joins us live from the scene. what more can you tell us about these incidents? >> reporter: the question is are these incidents related. you have two effective bombs that were left -- discarded at locations. the first one in new jersey yesterday morning, a pipe bomb left in a trash can apparently timed to go off as runners were taking part in that race in support of u.s. marines. the race however went -- was delayed so the bomb went off and no one was injured. and then last night around 8:30, where i am right now, a bomb exploded in a dumpster causing some damage. i wouldn't say it was a huge bomb. it didn't cause what you would say a military style explosion or a car bomb like i've seen in

many countries around the world. this one shattered a lot of windows, caused a lot of panic. people were running, but not a lot of smoke. you don't see any charred buildings or any fire. and then the third incident, a pressure cooker device found just a few blocks from here now apparently authorities are looking at that device trying to determine if it really was a bomb, what it may have been contained and trying to figure out are all three of these incidents linked. was it the same group, was it the same person. the mayor saying at this stage, no link to terrorism. but frankly, until you know who did this and what i know spiens to do it. >> there's usually somebody nearby, a restaurant, a population where there are

people nearby. were these bombs or where these explosions took place, were they near something iconic, were they near a restaurant, were they near someplace where there were lots of people? >> reporter: the one in new jersey, clearly. that's a much more obvious target. a running race in support of the u.s. marines. that sounds like the kind of target that has a political motivation. here on 23rd street, much less so. this is a busy street. it is a busy thoroughfare. but specifically. where the dumpster was i would say is one of the quieter parts of this very busy street. it was by a church that is closed. it was by a school and rehabilitation center for the blind. there was some -- there's been construction going on at that facility for a long time. so that's why the dumpster was there. it was for construction debris. but there's not a -- there's not

an outdoor cafe. there were two subway stops just a few hundred yards from where this bomb took place. so one would have thought if the intention was to have mass casualties, you could have put it near one of the subways. so, no, this was not a particularly obvious target. same thing on 27th street. not a particularly iconic location, not a particularly busy street in this area. yes, every street in manhattan is busy, but there are many more locations that one could have chosen if you wanted to find a crowd. >> yeah, absolutely. lastly, what about the security situation there now? how heavy is the police presence? give us a little bit of a color of what you're seeing behind you know. >> reporter: you can see some of it behind me. this whole area has been closed off. the -- the several square block

radius all around where the device on 23rd street exploded has been sealed off. people, even residents and business owners are not allowed at this point to go back to their apartments or at least as of a couple minutes ago that was the case. police officials and city officials say that security has been stepped up all across the five boroughs until they figure out more, is this going to be a knock off, will there be more attacks. it's important to understand, the u.n. general assembly has already -- it is ratcheting up with president obama expected here on tuesday to give what is considered one of his farewell addresses where he's going to try to wrap up his eight years in the office. already, there are international delegations here before a presidential visit. you can imagine there is more security in the city. so last night, i was in this area when the explosion

happened. i heard it myself. within minutes, there was just a sea of police, fbi, national guard, not just a fast response, but a massive response because the city i think -- one that already responds quickly to these kind of incidents, but especially now with the u.n. general assembly in process and gearing up for president obama's arrival on tuesday. >> absolutely. unfortunately in new york very familiar with having to deal with frightening incidents and very quick to do so. thank you so much richard engle. >> reporter: the city is going to be a tangle of traffic for the next several days i suspect. >> yes, indeed. thank you very much. let me bring in pete williams. pete, what can you tell us about the status of the investigations? >> what they're looking at is commonalities among these devices. there appear to be at least some surface similarities.

the bomb in new jersey was placed in a plastic trash can. the one in new york that went off was in a dumpster. so that seems to be something in common. secondly, broadly speaking, the two devices that they recovered largely intact, the one in new jersey and the second device on 27th street in new york. broadly speaking, they're very different. one was pipe bombs, the other made from a pressure cooker. instructions that were first printed in the al qaeda online magazine "inspire." on the one hand, similarities, on the other hand, this stuff is widely available. they're going to be looking at a much more granular level of how these things were made. was the explosive material in the pipe bombs and the pressure cooker the same or similar, how were the wires kekconnected. there are forensic profiles, if

you will, telltale construction finger prohibprints of how thes devices are made that are commonly known to bomb techs. they'll be looking very closely to see whether these are copy cats or just a coincidence or what. the one in new york, the one that did go off in the dumpster, we still don't know what that was, pipe bombs or pressure cookers are something else. that one appears to be fully consumed by the explosion. even so, there are bits and pieces left. they'll be working to reconstruct those to try to figure out what kind of device it was. so they got a lot to go on here. there's a considerable amount of luck here, joy, if you step back and think about this. the one in new jersey went off when apparently the bomb makers thought people were running by but were not because the race was delayed in its start. so it went off at 9:30 when no one was standing around and it

did not go off completely. so there's a lot leftover from that. the second device in new york on 27th is intact. that's a big boost. secondly, you've been talking about surveillance video with richard. new york city is a sea of cameras, surveillance cameras, people with their own cameras. that's an additional investigative source that the police will be exploiting fully. so they've got a lot to go on here, but they haven't reached any conclusions yet. either whether the new york and new jersey incidents are the work of a same person or group or whether the two devices in new york were planted by the same person. >> when you talk about surveillance cameras, you think about the boston marathon bombing where you were able to look at all of these different views of the area and try to locate common people or similar people. just before we let you go, pete, you know, we're talking about this and making a lot of pres

presumptions. they're really right now just trying to, what, just determine what types of devices, whether they had any relation, but they don't have threads to connect these together, is that correct? >> correct. >> pete williams, really appreciate it. joining me now, terror analyst malcolm nance. we have a lot here between richard engle and pete williams. you've got the fact that you had a bomb go -- a pipe bomb go off unsuccessfully from the point of view of the people who did it in new jersey, and that race actually did have some significance to the u.s. military. what does that tell you? >> first off, it appears to be a copy cat of the boston marathon bombing. i know that seaside park. it's a narrow spit of land that there's only really one way in

on a bridge. where that race would be run is on a lynniinear street. you're going to leave some kind of physical evidence. so that's one type of bombing. another thing is, it's down in central jersey. so you have to transit your way from your bomb factory, wherever that is, to that point. if it's going to be related to the devices that went off in new york city, we're going to see a match between those two lines of where the bombs came from originally. there's going to be evidence that shows they're going to have similarities. doesn't matter whether it's a pressure cooker, doesn't matter whether it's pipe bombs up in new york city, there's going to be some commonality with that. whether they used smokeless powder, homemade explosives, black electrical tape. we're going to know that very

soon. >> is there as much cctv cameras strewn around the place as there would be let's say in new york? >> certainly not as much as in new york city. but there's still shops and stores. there's going to be complete teams tasked between the new jersey state police, the batf, the fbi, joint terrorism task force for that entire region. there's going to be people combing through that to see are there individuals just walking up there. you have to deliver that device. it has to come in a transport bag. backpack, handbag, briefcase, whatever. it's going to be seen in one way or the other. is it a team of bombers? you don't know. same type of people seen in the same place, different people seen in the same place. the one on 23rd street, it had to been -- >> let me put a pin in real quick. i want to wrap up with the new jersey one before we move onto new york city. the kind of bomb, that is the one that did go off. is that something that an

amateur, just somebody sitting at home watching youtube trying to figure out how to make a pipe bomb with no real ties to terrorism, could an amateur create something like that? >> well, sure. if you read the study of explosive devices detonated in the united states every year, there's over 1,400 bombings a year in the united states. but only 10% of them use pipe bombs. they're a very specific signature. most of them that go off are pyrotechnics in jugs just being used for fun. but real weapons systems are manufactured by these people. it's amateur, but then amateurs can be aspirational. timot timothy mcveigh was an amateur. >> does that mean that it will be difficult to figure out if it's a similar type of bomb to

the one that was unexploded found in the dumpster? >> no, they're going to be able to reconstruct that bomb in its entirety. they're going to have teams walking up and down every inch of that street. if it was a pressure cooker bomb like the one found on 27th street, it has an effect. the top will blow and fly like a fris by, but the main container will shrapnel out inside that trash can. they are recreate it through physical recreation or 3d model. if it's pipe bombs, that's easy. they have end caps. end caps fly. experienced bomb techs are now coming to put their eyes on this and they've seen everything. >> what if in reconstructing the exploded bomb on 27th street, it

turns out it is a different type of explosive device from the unexploded device in the dumpster? >> you either have a bomb master who is -- that's what we call the person who builds the device. even if he's an amateur. may be using different techniques to make it appear there are different bomb makers or he may be experimenting in the types of weapons systems he wants to delivery. >> new york governor andrew cuomo is addressing reporters now on the scene in manhattan. let's listen. >> i have with me senior subway staff david knight and tony abdallah. mta teams have been on site since late last night inspecting the subway structure and relative station. we have just completed a walking tour of the 23rd street station with governor cuomo, reviewed

our inspection and structural inspection policies and procedures. it's important to note that the blast was not in proximity to the subway structure. we have teams that have inspected both the 23rd and 6th and 23rd and 7th and 23rd and 8th street subway stations. i'd like to introduce governor cuomo. >> thank you very much. first, let me begin by thanking frank and ronnie and the whole team at the mta, as well as all the first responders who have done an extraordinary job since this explosion happened yesterday evening. as everybody knows, there was an explosion on west 23rd street. there's significant property damage on both sides of the explosion. 29 people were injured. there were no fatalities, something to give thanks for today.

because when you see the amount of damage, we really were very lucky that there were no fatalities at that time. we just inspected the subway station, the path station in the immediate area to see if there was any damage done from the explosion to the subway station, the tunnels, et cetera. and we're happy to report that there was no damage. so the mta is ready to be up and running as early as tomorrow to return to full service for those stations. there may be certain entrances and exits that are closed depending on where the investigation is at that time. but we'll -- we will keep you up to date on that. there is -- i've been briefed by all the relevant agencies. at this time, there is no evidence of an international

terrorism connection with this incident. but -- but it is very, very early in the investigation and it's just starting. the fbi has brought the evidence that they've collected from the site of the explosion as well as the bomb that did not detonate. they brought that to quantico. they'll be studying that. there was also an incident in seaside park, new jersey. they're also taking that material to quantico to review that material also. i spoke with governor christie this morning. we're coordinating resources between new york and new jersey to see if there's anything we can learn. the main is the joint terrorism

task force. and that's up and operational. but the bombs that were in seaside, new jersey, appear to be different than the ones that were in manhattan. as i mentioned, the response by the first responders was extraordinary. you know, you drill all the time and you run exercises all the time, but it's still different when it happens. i've spoke to mayor de blasio. the nypd did a great job. the fbi has done a great job. homeland security, new york state police, fire department, everyone really worked together and is coordinating on the investigation. the -- we have no reason to believe at this time that there is any further immediate threat, but just to err on the side of caution, we will be deploying close to an additional 1,000 new

york state police and national guard people to police the bus terminals, airports, and subway stations. again, just to err on the side of caution. and i want new yorkers to be confident when they go back to work on monday that new york is up and running and we're doing everything we need to do. and i feel comfortable that this additional deployment will help do that and is prudent on this occasion. the bottom line on this is, number one, whoever placed these bombs, we will find and they will be brought to justice. period. you have the finest police agencies in the world when you come to new york. and we will find who planted these explosives and they will be punished.

number two, we will not allow these type of people and these type of threats to disrupt our life in new york. that's what they want to do. we're not going to let them do it. this is freedom, this is democracy, and we're not going to allow them to take that from us. so feel safe. everything that needs to be done is being done and more. and we're going to enjoy new york and we're going to go back to work tomorrow just like we do on any monday morning. >> can you clarify what devices were taken to quantico? there was the pressure cooker and the device in the dumpster. were they both sent to quantico? we were told they were sent to rodman's neck. >> the evidence that is now being gathered is going to quantico. i believe the seaside park bombs

are in route to quantico. the unexploded device from new york may not yet have made it to quantico, i'm not sure. >> -- we know that there was that -- [ inaudible question ] >> they were both similar in design. let's let the fbi do their investigation. again, this is very early. they're just getting the devices. they're just starting the investigation. so once we get the investigation, we'll have all the facts and then we can speak intelligently. >> mayor de blasio said last night there was no evidence this was connected to terror. what are you hearing? >> i believe the mayor was saying there was no connection with international terrorism. and that is correct. no one has taken credit. there have been no international groups that have put out any statements that are connecting them with this action.

now, it depends on your definition of terrorism. a bomb exploding in new york is obviously an act of terrorism, but it's not linked to international terrorism. in other words, we find no isis connection, et cetera. but a bomb going off is gener generically a terrorist activity. that's how we're going to consider it and that's how we will prosecute it also. but the mayor's correct, there was no link at this time at this preliminary stage to international terrorism. [ inaudible question ] could be. could be. could be because we just don't know. we know there's been no international terrorism organization that has taken credit. but we don't know. i've been in the federal

government, i've been through a number of these incidents. you know, you can guess, you can hypothesize, or you can just wait for the facts and go from there. so we know what we know at this point, and i'd be dubious about speculating on what we don't know. >> -- talk about -- [ inaudible question ] >> well, look, as -- as governor of new york, this is my worst nightmare, right? my worst nightmare is the phone rings late at night, and there's some terrorist attack, emergency flood, hurricane, act of mother nature that puts lives in peril.

so this is the nightmare scenario, or one of the nightmare scenarios. and you -- your mind immediately goes to, was anyone hurt, was anyone killed. and luckily, depending on how you look at it, 29 injuries, but no fatalities. when you see the damage, i think we were fortunate that there were no fatalities. and when you see the site itself, it just confirms that. the -- this was a significant amount of damage. the property damage on both sides, but the force of the explosion, you can see it down the block, it was across the street. there's glass everywhere. shrapnel everywhere. so that we didn't lose anyone, we were fortunate. and then the second response is, we're not going to let them win. we're not going to let them win. what do they want? they want to instill terror.

that's what they want. they want to make you afraid. they want to make you worry about going into new york city or new york state. they want to make you worry about going across a bridge or a subway. we're not going to let them instill fear because then they would win. so we have the best response team on the globe. it's here, it's working. the best protection team on the globe. on the side of caution, we'll be adding close to an additional thousand national guard and state police just to make sure people know that we're on the scene and we're on the job. and we're going -- life will go on in new york just the way it did the moment before the bomb explod exploded. we're not going to let them win. >> governor -- >> -- similar in nature here at

27th -- >> not that i know of. >> are you saying that the one here was a pressure cooker, similar to 27th street? >> that is advice, that is my knowledge and what i've been informed. but obviously that bomb detonated so there's only pieces of it. and i would wait for the fbi to do a full analysis before i come to any conclusions. >> are you saying -- [ inaudible question ] >> the -- my information, again, at this preliminary stage, is the devices were different. they were basically pipe bombs that were used in new jersey. different bombs were used here. but the fbi will do the analysis. i spoke to governor christie this morning and we'll have our teams working together to see if there's anything they can learn one from the other. >> all right, guys -- [ inaudible question ] >> say that again, i'm sorry. >> -- search -- suspect or

suspects -- either one of these bombs? and then second of all, can you give a little bit more specifics on the -- tomorrow morning should new yorkers -- 23rd street entrances by rush hour or -- >> they are reviewing all the videotape from the area now to see if they can identify a person. obviously all agencies are coordinated in this investigation and in this man hunt. as i said, we will find whoever did this or whatever group did this. and they will be brought to justice. period. and we're going to dedicate all necessary resources to do that, and you're dealing with the best police agencies on the globe in doing that. as far as opening the 23rd street station tomorrow morning, as we mentioned before, it is structurally safe. it is structurally fine. some of the entrances are in the

crime scene right now. so we'll have to see how the investigation proceeds throughout the day and if the fbi reduces the crime scene and releases those entrances. but we'll make that information on the transit authority website exactly what entrances and exits will be open as we get information through the day. >> do you expect -- >> yes. >> what is going on with them, where are they, what were the injuries? >> i have only the information that you have. most were treated and released. there may be several who have not yet been released. several were serious injuries, but no fatalities. but i have no new information on that. >> -- flying metal, what was it -- [ inaudible question ] >> from people who were in that

area when the bomb exploded and got hit with glass or debris, et cetera. okay? >> have you heard any connection made to the central park -- >> no. >> also, nypd is holding a press conference with the mayor in less than two hours. why aren't you appearing there? >> well, we wanted to give you an update on what the state was doing and the mta and the subway stations, et cetera. i spoke to the mayor this morning, and he'll give you an update on what the city is doing. and that's the way we normally handle these situations. just so you don't think i -- i'm very responsive to your question. all 29 victims are confirmed released from the hospital. so that is really good news. thank you very much. thank you. >> governor andrew cuomo holding an impromptu press conference, announcing all 29 victims

injured in this blast in the 23rd street chelsea area of manhattan have been released from the hospital. good news there. and saying that new yorkers will not give into fear, that life will go on in new york. that they will not allow whoever set these devices to instill fear because that way they will win. i'm rejoined by terrorism analyst and executive director of the terror asymmetric project, malcolm. what did you hear in that press conference that was significant to you? >> well, he confirmed something that had been a suspicion. what were the types of devices in seaside park, which we know were pipe bombs. he said they were significantly different from the ones that blew up in new york. and that the two devices that were found in new york were identical. he said that the components of one of thoese bombs had been set

to quantico and the other one was going to be rendered safe and analyzed out in brooklyn. now it tells me i have two different bomb assembly structures. i may have two different bombers or bomb teams and that there may be -- like i said, someone who either spent 11 hours driving around and came up into manhattan from a very remote section of new jersey or two teams that are coordinated or coinciden coincidence. but, you know, coincidence is very hard to have. takes a lot of planning. >> let's talk about the time that elapsed between these two incidents. what we've seen in europe when you see these multiple location bombings -- and again, we're not jumping to conclusions about what this is. it is not known at this point who did this, whether it has any links to terrorism. >> right. >> we're just talking about when we've seen similar incidents in the past. if they are related, they happen close in time to one another. >> yes. >> in this case, how close in time were the new jersey and new

york incident? >> 11 hours apart, which is very significant. the first bombing happened at 9:30 in the morning. >> that's the new jersey. >> right. and it had a timer on it. so that person delivered that device, dropped it into the trash can and departed the area. that tells me a lot about the bomber, attack signature and where that person would have went. had to go off island. then you have this bomb up in new york city. this tells me -- >> 8:30 at night. >> was it a separate independent team or did the bomb master go back to his factory, pick up two completely different devices, take them into new york city at his le le sure and wanted to test these devices. should have happened at the flat iron building or madison square garden. >> how heavy would something placed into a pressure cooker

be? is it something somebody could carry? >> you could carry it, but two of those things is going to be relatively heavy. they would have to be in really sturdy backpacks. i mean military style -- >> and you can trace -- >> yes, but they could detonate. you want to bring them in a vehicle, you want to offload, drop near the site. move to the secondary attack site and offload right there nearby. that's what they're looking for, that human movement pattern. >> and looking at all of that video, people don't necessarily like all that surveillance camera stuff. but in times like these, glad they're there. all right. up next, we one-on-one interview with interim dnc chair donna brazile. isaac hou has mastered gravity defying moves to amaze his audience. great show. here you go.

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last night, donald trump was quick to come out and talk about a bombing in new york. hillary clinton was very critical of him on that score. in your view, do incidents like this bolster her more because of her measured sponsor does it, quite frankly, help donald trump because it bolsters people's fear? >> first of all, i want to say i completely agree with governor cuomo in terms of where we were in the investigation. i'm glad that the 29 victims of this bombing, they've been released from the hospital. i wish them a speedy recovery. but this is no time to exploit what is a very terrible situation that could have killed many people yesterday. i think secretary clinton's remarks last night were very measured. again, emphasizes the fact that we are trying to make sure the situation's under control. working with the first responders, law enforcement officials. we're not going to exploit these incidents for partisan gain.

instead, like the president, we're going to make sure this country is safe and secure, hillary has the right leadership and skill set to ensure the american people are safe and secure. >> robert gates had some scathing things to say about donald trump, at least on national security, i believe mr. trump is beyond repair. temperature ra mentally unsuited to lead our men and women in uniform. if you look at the polling, the recent "new york times"/cbs poll, hillary clinton is ahead, but not by much, 49% to 45%. he's still within four points of hillary clinton on questions of national security. >> he exploits fear. he has this sort of demeanor

that he's tough and that he can take on isis with his bare hands. in order to defeat the kind of terrorism that we've seen recently, we need a coalition, a coalition of allies, strategic partners in the middle east. at home, we have to remain vigilant, but also resilient. >> at the same time, hillary clinton gets high marks as somebody who has the right temperament, there is a concern. i want to talk a little bit about some of the fishers on the democratic side that you in part are leading the dnc to try to close. one of them is that she's too hawkish. it's so easy for the national security establishment, to get on board with her not just because trump scares them, but that they're comfortable with her. is hillary clinton too hawkish for a liberal voter? >> as a progressive american, as somebody who understands the complexity of our foreign policy

and defense positive chture, i she's in the right strength. we cannot abandon nato as donald trump seems to want to abandon. we cannot of course become -- you know, get involved in a bromance with putin. russia is very dangerous. i have personal knowledge of that now. we were victims of a cyber intrusion according to those that have looked into our system by russian intelligence forces. i think hillary clinton has the right trench emperament and leap skills. >> is it a mistake to reference henry kissenger? >> i'm actually the first black woman to lead a presidential campaign.

there have been others. when you are secretary of state and you're coming into office, of course you want to meet with your predecessors. you want to meet with rice and kissenger. colin powell for example. the fact is when you think about hillary clinton and her leadership posture, she's listened to everybody. there's nothing wrong with listening to people. the problem with american politics, i can't talk to somebody on the other side because they're the enemy. they're partisans, but they're not my enemies. i'm glad that she's able to get advice from everybody. that's hillary clinton. she's her own leader and she knows how to take this country in a forward direction. >> thank you for that correction, too. first african-american woman, yes, to lead a presidential campaign. very important note for history as well. you mention bernie sanders.

you came in to lead the dnc at a time when, because again of this hacking by the russian fsb, we think, or russian security forces, it was exposed that there is a dramatic rift between the bernie sanders supporters and hillary clinton supporters within the dnc, there was a sense that the dnc had its thumb on the scale against bernie sanders. you now see sanders on the trail for hillary clinton. has that rift healed? >> i talk to senator sanders often. i've hired some of his key advisors, listened to his campaign manager. this is the democratic national committee. it belongs from all democrats from the courthouse to the white house. i'm very excited that senator sanders is out there, but also helping us win back the united states senate house seats. senator sanders is very interested in down ballot races.

a week from today, early voting begins in vermont, michigan, california. they have agreed to help us put together a very robust campaign. we're moving past some of those problems because we have to, but we're moving past them knowing that we're going to build a very democratic party for the future. >> bernie sanders obviously had passionate supporters, particularly very young voters. >> i love them. >> the "new york times" wrote a piece, young african-american voters. it was a real red flag on african-american millennials. it says, their skepticism of hillary clinton is rooted in a deep discomfort with the political establishment that they believe the 68-year-old former first lady and secretary of state represents. they share a lingering mistrust of mrs. clinton and her husband and are demanding more from politicians as part of a new

confrontational wave of black activism. this isn't really about bernie sanders specifically. a lot of it is about the clinton, the bill clinton record in the 1990s as reinterpreted by young african-americans. is that a problem for hillary clinton? >> this is -- they are not at all easy with the establishment whether it's the old black establishment or the old civil rights establishment. they want to see a future in which they're a part of it, that they can address these issues that impact them personally. i met a young man over the course of the last couple days at the congressional black congress. from los angeles, englewood. he was stabbed multiple times. he said he had his stomach in his hand. he lost his kidney, his spleen. i said why are you here. he said i have faith, i have faith in myself, i don't know my purpose yet, but i want to get back involved. he came to us.

they're telling me, and i've been meeting with them, they want to lead. they don't want to just follow the old school. they want to lead. you know what i told him? i said i have so many chairs around this room. come, sit at the table, take my seat, because i want them to lead. i want them to trust their own leadership for the future. i believe they will have a path forward, but we have to help them lead. we have to give them the tools to make the change that they wish to see. >> when it comes to specifically black millennials. what will it take for the clintons to get past these issues of the crime bill of the 1990s, of the things that bug younger black voters about the clinton sort of history? >> bring it up, expose it. look, it's out there. i know the history. i was there. i saw the history. i understand what the clintons or say the congressional black caucus. i understand what they were responding to.

many of these young people, they were not around in 1994, 1995, but they're around today. they want to talk about these issues. they want to talk about their fears. and they want to talk about how they can work with the police. we're there to help them. they're my nieces and my nephews. i want to give them a seat at the table. let me just tell you something, they keep me up late at night, yet we're here. they're excited about the future. joy, they speak in a language that many of us never heard before. and i am -- i am so proud of them because they're the future. 10, 20 years from now, they will be leading the way forward. and i'll be pushing them forward. >> expanding beyond this issue with african-american millennials, the bernie sanders cohort, can he convince them now after having run a race in which they were really truly convinced that hillary clinton was the establishment, she was untru

untrustworthy. can he turn that around? and change their minds. >> you know what bernie said to me, who i've known since the jackson campaign. bernie said, donna, they want to hear the issues, they want to hear about climate change. they care about what's happening in north dakota. they want to hear about the environment. they want to hear about criminal justice reform, inequality, education. if you don't talk about their issues, you will not build the trust. that's what we're focused on. >> 50 days to go as of monday in this race. can hillary clinton make a new first impression on voters who are still skeptical of her? >> i've known her for 33 years. i heard her last night. i'm always inspired by her. she's someone who will lead us. i'm inspired by her fortitude and resilience. no matter how tired she was, she was hurting. and she went out there last sunday, joy, because she loved

her constituents and wants to stand up for them. she got up and she kept fighting. that's the hillary clinton that i hope people get to know. >> i have to ask you a question. i have been asked this by people who are young democrats who are interested in the process, very skeptical of the dnc. will you remain as the head of the dnc? >> i'm going to keep that interim. this is the second time. i'm embarrassed every time there's an opening at the dnc, i'm available. 40 years i've been involved in the democratic party. this party has done so much for me, so much for my community and my country that i want to give back and pay it forward. >> a lot of concerns about disenfranchisement, these voter id laws and the great palace report that 7 million voters are being actively removed from the rolls. >> we are calling every single person that we can find that's been purged. it is so personal. we're calling -- we're knocking

on their doors. while this is not what i call the beautiful work in politics, we're actually telling them you got to go back and register, you got to check your registration status. go to iwillvote.com and check your registration status. this is a day to check your status at iwillvote.com. >> look, joy, you got to stop cutting the rug late at night. shaking the tail feather. >> you saw me because you were there. you told on yourself too because you were telling on me. thank you so much. up next, we will bring you the very latest on that explosion in new york city. ♪

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all right. let's get you the latest on the breaking news out of new york city where 29 people were injured in an explosion saturday night in the manhattan neighborhood of chelsea. all of the injured have now been released from the hospital.

the investigation into what caused the blast is ongoing. police also found a suspicious device believed to be a pressure cooker near the site. they were able to remove it safely. they're now trying to determine whether that was also an explosive device. andrew cuomo updated reporters this morning. there were no ties to international terrorism so far and he vowed to catch the perpetrators. officials say there's no indication at this point that the manhattan blast was at all connected to an explosive device that went off earlier saturday in the town of seaside, new jersey. stay with msnbc for the latest on this developing story. more at the top of the hour. stay with us as "am joy" continues. e it. i'm on the move all day long... and sometimes, i just don't eat the way i should. so i drink boost® to get the nutrition that i'm missing. boost complete nutritional drink has 26 essential vitamins and minerals, including calcium and vitamin d to support strong bones and 10 grams of protein to help maintain muscle.

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stations. whoever placed these bombs, we will find and they will be brought to justice. period. >> welcome back to "am joy." we're continuing to covering the ongoing investigation into saturday night's explosion in new york's chelsea neighborhood. all the victims have now been released from the hospital as officials continue to monitor the area between 23rd street, where the explosion happened, and 27th street where police found a second -- found and secured a pressure cooker device. they're also searching for a suspect. police are testing the pressure cooker device that they secured to determine whether it was a real explosive. they're not yet sure if a similar device caused the 23rd street explosion. mayor de blasio said the explosion was intentionally, but not terrorism related. it happened 11 hours after a pipe bomb went off in seaside

park, new jersey. officials do not have evidence the events are related and investigations are ongoing in new jersey as well. richard engle joins us from downtown. do we know anything more about the investigation there in manhattan? >> reporter: we've learned a little bit more. the governor was just here. you played a clip from when he spoke to reporters. in addition to that deployment of 1,000 new york state police and national guard to protect mostly the transportation infrastructure -- subways, airports, buses -- he said there's no evidence that there was an ongoing threat. that's quite significant. you're seeing people back on the streets. there's not a real sense of concern here. but always when you find two devices, you will wonder, are there three, are there four, are there more. the governor saying no reason to believe there is an ongoing

threat. the word "terrorism" is always a tricky one because when you plant a bomb in a crowded urban area and you don't know who could be hurt or killed, that is effectively an act of terrorism. but not one that they are saying is linked to any political group like isis or al qaeda or any of the other militant groups that we've heard so much about. the two devices, part of some of the debris that was gathered here and the device that did not explode on 27th street, the governor said they showed some similarities and apparently have been sent to quantico which is the fbi's bomb laboratory. so quite a bit of information. the mayor of new york is expected to give a press conference in about half an hour. so we'll see if we hear more

details coming from that. >> i didn't get a chance to ask you this before when we spoke a little bit earlier. how close were either of these two, the unexploded device and the exploded device, to the subways and are the subways open, are the subway entrances crawling with security? give us a little bit of information on that, if you could. >> reporter: the subway entrances here are not open. because this entire block and the couple blocks around it have been closed. they were very close to the entrances to the sixth avenue subway which is a very busy line. there's several intersections there. you can get pretty much anywhere in manhattan from those subway entrances. what was interesting, i thought at least, having covered a few terrorist attacks in the past, is that the bomb wasn't placed right at the subway entrance. it wasn't placed by an outdoor cafe. and there are outdoor cafes on this street.

it was blplaced in a dumpster b scaffolding where a building has been under renovations for quite some time. so it could have been even a few hundred yards would have made a very significant difference. governor cuomo said it was very lucky that there were no fatalities. yes, there are subway stops here here and thankfully it wasn't placed in one of those subway stations. >> indeed. thank you very much. very interesting. richard engle, really appreciate it. let's bring in pete williams. how can investigators go about determining whether these instances are in fact related? >> well, they've got a lot to go on here. and that's one of the things that's luck involved here. the first piece of luck was yesterday morning when the device in jersey went off at 9:30. apparently the timer on it had been set to go off then but the

rac race hadn't started because it was delayed. second piece goes from the new jersey scene because that bomb didn't go off completely. those components have been sent to the fbi lab in quantico along with what was found in new york. that will allow the bomb techs to directly compare how how these devices were made. the broad way that these things are constructed, although that will only take them so far. the more interesting details will be the precise little ones. how were the holes drilled, how were the wires put together. what kinds of phones were used. that's going to be a much more telling thing. there's unfortunately been a great deal of experience gained. now, this is the picture of the device that was found on 27th street in new york. it didn't go off. you see a hole drilled in the top of the pressure cooker and then some tape to hold the whole thing together. that unfortunately is not a

remarkably different way to build a pressure cooker bomb. unfortunately, the instructions on how to do this have been out there for the past six years or so, first appearing in an internet publication by al qaeda, the article was "how to build a bomb in the kitchen of your mother." so broadly these things are similar, we're told. but the real question is the precise way that they were made, and that's going to be an important piece of forensic information. secondly, so you have a lot of the physical evidence that remains from both new york and new jersey. and then in new york, of course, you have just a whole web, a whole network of cameras that are aimed at the street. so the police have a lot to go on there. unfortunately not so much in new jersey because of where the bomb was placed out there on a street on the seaside. so they don't have as many cameras to look at there.

but they're interested in getting cameras from people on the scene in new jersey in the morning. >> absolutely. pete williams, thank you very much. >> you bet. >> joining me now, nbc terror analyst malcolm nance. let's go through a few of these things that richard and pete brought out. let's start with this question of timing. you have in new jersey a device that's on a timer. in new york these two devices which are different construction, they seem to be pressure cooker. you saw the picture of them, does that look like something that is on a timer? >> it could be. it could also be on a command detonator. or the cell phone could have been a dummy or it could have inside had a timer. >> does it tell you anything about the perpetrators, whether it's a timing device or something that you throw and goes off?

>> what it tells us about the bomber, their level of sophistication and they're level of ambition. if they can use a cell phone type command detonator, that takes a lot more electrical knowledge and explosive knowledge than just somebody who can light a fuse. most ides exploded in the united states are light a fuse, though it and run. >> you made the point, there's like 1,400 of these things a year. >> more. there are hundreds and hundreds of bombings by amateurs who are playing with these things and a few people trying to kill ex-wives or ex-husbands. that is what they're going to be looking at. >> the second thing i want to ask, i asked richard engle about the subway situation because in an area like that that is so dense and that has subway entranc entrances, what does it tell you these devices were placed in a dumpster, no cafes, nothing really around that was iconic and also that it was not

targeted at a subway? >> it tells me a lot about the bomber himself, not so much about the device. the bomber either wanted to use this as a demonstration attack, proves he has the capability of doing this, throws it into the dumpster, uses that building and scaffolding as secondary effect and hopefully make a collapse and contain the device so that there's better blast overpressure. maybe the 23rd street subway entrance was his escape route. that is what the investigators are going to rip apart. was he runningast e on 23rd street, from a car on 23rd street. all of it has a point of origin right in the middle of that street. >> but the important thing, it is highly likely this person will be caught. >> they're going to get caught. >> malcolm nance, thank you as always. we turn to presidential politics next. a super pac is now looking for dirt on donald trump and they're willing to pay for it. we'll have that story when we come back.

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this is a scandal that threatens national security and that involves a multi-million-dollar pay for play scheme between the the secretary of state and her foundation. whether it's her e-mails, her disasters in iraq, libya and syria, or her failures on the economy, hillary clinton lacks the judgment, temperament and moral character to lead this country. >> this election has certainly added is new chapter to the quarter century long anti clinton play book with republicans digging up dirt, controversies, even conspiracy theories. but what about the trump scandals? thanks to the reporters committed to exposing trump's skeletons, we know that he

bankrupted his atlantic city casinos, tacked on the hundreds of banks, contractors and small businesses who allege trump didn't pay them, and then there's the fraud suits against trump university. more recently, the alleged impropriety at the trump foundation. now, a well funded super pac is determined to dig up more, offering to pay anonymous tips for scoops on trump. it's focused on uncovering video or audio of donald trump that has been legally obtained. joining me now, david brock, founder of correct the record and the man behind this trump leaks venture. david, great to talk to you. >> thanks for having me on. >> we just played a litany of donald trump things that he said which are easily picked apart as factually inaccurate. he said there's pay for play in the clinton foundation which seems to be a bit of projection.

is what i know spienspire knons that donald trump has been able to throw out things about hillary clinton, but that these things don't seem to stick to him? >> i think that is part of it. there's a lot of misinformation coming from trump and his campaign against hillary clinton. yet, there is an extraordinary situation where the republican nominee is stone walling. stonewalling on his taxes who won't tell us who his foreign investors are. he was not vetted by his republican opponents. and the press, while there have been some great reporting done, at best, the press performance i think is uneven. so we're taking this extraordinary step as part of our due diligence to find out what more can be known about donald trump before the election. we don't want to find these things out afterwards. >> do you have a concern that paying for such information will turn up bad information by people who just want to get your

money? >> sure. we recognize the perils of paying for information. our pledge is that we will put out only factual material that will be fully and thoroughly vetted by our staff and by lawyers, if necessary. and so we'll put out truthful information, not the kind of misinformation coming from trump. and it will be information that is relevant to donald trump's fitness for office. so we recognize those perils. but at the same time -- and we also recognize the skittishness of the press to pay for information. but we're not the press and we believe we have to go this extra step. >> david, your own history of course, having started out as a man of the right whose expertise was doing opposition research on democrats, on the clintons, and sort of doing this from the other side, what did that teach you about what the media is willing to consume about a subject of opposition research, and what did it teach you about what might be accomplished going back the other direction against

donald trump? >> sure. well, absolutely. i was involved in -- this is 25 years ago now, something called the arkansas project which was a paid effort to dig up dirt on the clintons back in arkansas that came up with nothing, but a lot of canards. some very familiar with how the right wing operates, they were willing to pay for information to put things out that were false. that gives me special insight on this. i'll tell you, we're trying to level the playing field with donald trump here. he uses his money to shut down critics, to shut down creditors. as you said in your setup, he's said things about women, he's called them bimbos. what else has he said about women? trump university, people were defrauded. 4,000 lawsuits? i believe we're at the tip of the iceberg here and we need to know more, we want to know more. and if people want to come forward to correcttherecord.org.

we have had over 400,000 responses to our web form in five days. a lot of that is profanity coming from trump supporters, but we are going through it and looking for that true needle in that hay stack. >> you've been in this game for a long time and you know that there is a different kind of response, both from the public and from the press, to things about hillary clinton as there are to things about donald trump. you know, he's obviously been a public figure as long as she has, but there does seem to be a built-in skepticism of hillary clinton. they asked, who do you think is more transparent. look at those numbers. donald trump 54%, hillary clinton 37%. nothing that you say about donald trump really matters because people think that whatever else he is he's honest about his feelings, about

whatever is inside of him? >> no, i don't think so. look, if you look at some of these poll numbers. you look at how people view the question of temperament, you look at how scores higher on national security issues, you look at the fact that a 79% of latinos believe donald trump is a racist. some of this is sticking. there's no question. the problem here is some of the misinformation coming from the right is also sticking on hillary clinton. but look, hillary clinton is a nominee who has been vetted for 25 years and still nothing has been found that would be in any way disqualifying for office. so she's been through it. what we're trying to do in just 50-something days is put donald trump through the same kind of vetting. and there's -- you know, there's a realti timeliness factor here. >> is there a lane you would not go down?

we know with the clintons, sexual scandal was on the table. with donald trump is there a zone you would not go? >> yes, we're not going down that lane. we're looking, as i said, for information that is relevant to donald trump's fitness for office. >> all right. david brock, thank you very much. hopefully you can come back and give us an update. up next, a closer look at the clintons with a reporter who's been covering them for 20 years. red lobster. that means you get to try as much as you want... ...of whatever flavors are calling your name. seriously. like new garlic sriracha-grilled shrimp. it's a little spice... ...a little sizzle... ...and a lot just right. and try new parmesan ppcorn shrimp. helloooo crispy goodness. and the classic... ...handcrafted shrimp scampi... ...you can't get enough of? still gonna floor you. it may be called endless... ...but that doesn't mean it'll last. i'm not a customer, but i'm calling about that credit scorecard. (to dog)give it.

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new book. joe, always great to talk to you. but congratulations on the book. especially happy to see you today. so you just heard -- i don't know if you were able to hear a bit of my interview with david brock who back in the day was a hatchet man for the right. why do you suppose that almost anything you throw at the clintons sticks, at least for a certain amount of time, and gets pursued by the media? >> you'd have to ask journalists why they accept arguments from the right which should have been discredited a long time ago. a lot of people in this city, washington, disagreed with me. now, i think they'd acknowledge that what i wrote about this about whitewater and the associated scandals and the hunting of the president was correct. but it's of course too late. now that's -- hovers over them.

whitewater. and people don't know that there was nothing to that. >> yeah. >> so, you know, right now, we have examples where judicial watch, the anti-clinton group that's funded secretly to $30 million a year puts out a press release that claims that the clinton foundation got $32 million from the crown prince of bahrain. it's not true at all. it occurred four years before hillary clinton was secretary of state and had nothing to do with her decision on whether to see him on a particular day or not. >> yeah. >> but -- but, you see politico and other publications publish that, then they have to go back and correct it. >> jonathan allen wrote that piece about the clinton rules, which means you hear something negative, you go ahead and accept it. you pursue it. when there's nothing to it, you take it back, but it's then out there.

has the response of the -- >> i think jonathan's done a great job, but he didn't come up with that term. that's what gene lions named them years ago. >> you had the chance to get unprecedented access to bill clinton to talk to him for this book "man of the world." has his response to that been, what, is it resentment of the press? the source of their secretive nature? have they -- >> wait, joy. first of all, the idea of their secretive nature i think is wrong. they've disclosed 30 years of taxes, 40 years of taxes. every donor ever to the clinton foundation with the exception of very small number who were precluded because of canadian tax laws. but really, hundreds of thousands of donors all named on their website. bernie sanders didn't disclose his taxes. >> good point. >> the clintons did and they always have. when people say in the media, they're not transparent, they're

secretive, i would say compared to who? >> what is their -- i don't know, what has been the reaction? you definitely feel like this is a couple that's under siege constantly. they're dogged by questions and clouds of things and vapors of things. >> well -- >> how do they -- >> i think it creates an aura of distrust. i think it makes it harder for them to cooperate with the press as much as they probably should. i think, you know, it's remarkable that they talked to press as much as they do given the history, especially with certain newspapers and journalists. but, you know, it's not a good situation for them. and i think it makes life difficult, especially when they're in campaign mode. you know, if you look at the polling numbers for both of them, they reach highs when they're sort of doing their work. you know, as secretary of state, she was the most admired woman every year and before that for

25 years. as soon as they start to run for office, one of them, either of them, the poll numbers start to go down. and so that's an issue that they've had to confronted over and over again. >> every past president has a foundation, a presidential library foundation or a charitable foundation. they've all had these foundations. the clinton foundation, the subtitle of your book is the further endeavors of bill clinton. >> that's correct. >> why did they create it? what does it do? >> how is it different than other post-presidential foundations? >> the clintons create the the bill clinton foundation when he was still president to start to raise money for his library, which is something that all the presidents had done before them. even when president bush, the second president bush was in the white house, his father was raising money or had raised money for his library. nobody asked about that.

so they created a foundation to raise money to build the library which ended up costing close to $200 million in little rock. huge was the revitalization of that city and state. so that was the initial purpose. then when he got out of the white house, he wanted to remain active. he was young and he wanted -- there was a lot of things he wanted to do, but he wasn't sure what exactly at the very beginning as i talk about in the book. eventually, he realized that the aids pandemic was threatening the future of the world, not just africa, although he cared a lot about that, but the future of the world and decided to take that on. because the public health authorities around the world had decided we weren't going to treat africans and other poor people with aids. it was too expensive. so they were going to be allowed to die. extremely immoral in my view. he decided he was going to do something about it.

that became the initial purpose. then it expanded into a lot of other stuff. >> and good, woul works. what will bill clinton be like if his wife was to win the white house, what would he be like as first gentleman? would he be climbing the walls, want to be involved? >> i think it would be very surprising if his wife didn't find ways to employ his talents, his knowledge, his experience if she becomes president. i could think of two areas. this is not based on anything he would say because he wouldn't talk about this until after the election. he would consider it bad luck and bad practice to start talking about what you're doing to do. it's what they call curtain hanging. there are two areas where he would be deeply interested. one would be in diplomacy in general and possibly the middle east in specific.

because he's one of the most talented diplomats, i think people across the spectrum agree. i think people don't know this as well, he's obsessed with climate change and particularly the economics of a transition to clean energy. he knows a lot about this. he has discussed it many times with president obama during the president's tenure. and i think that would be an area where she might give him some responsibility and he would be well equipped to carry it out. >> bill clinton came closer than any modern president to coming up with a settlement between the israelis and the palestinians. >> that is correct. it was frustrating for him that they didn't make it. it was really what was behind the mark rich pardon. >> and hopefully people will. it is "man of the world: the further endeavors of bill clinton." pick them up as a two book set. that is my recommendation to you. thank you, sir. >> thanks so much, joy.

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associates of the clinton campaign started this birtherism question in 2007. a famous memo questioning senator obama's american roots. in fact, they sent somebody to africa to check it out. donald trump is not running for president in president obama in 2008. that was hillary clinton. number two, donald trump said he put this to rest. hillary clinton couldn't close it, get the information, and he did. you heard him say that president obama was born in this country, period, and he's moving on. >> welcome back to "am joy." the trump campaign is sticking to its guns that hillary clinton and her 2008 campaign started the birther controversy, which of course is not true. david from of the atlantic. okay, guys. i know that was a little bit low in your ears. what was being said by kellyanne

conway there is that not only is she doubling down on the idea that it is hillary clinton's campaign that started the birtherism, she said, in fact, they sent someone to africa to check it out. trump was not running for potus against barack obama in a very bruising primary in 2008. that was clinton. trump said he put this to rest, clinton couldn't close it. he said obama was born in the u.s. your thoughts? they sent someone to africa to check it out. >> because donald trump and his campaign -- donald trump is a pathological liar. his campaign is filled with pathological liars. i want proof of that statement that the clinton campaign sent -- >> isn't that who went to -- >> what they're trying to do, they're actually trying to basically shift the attention from donald trump saying it was hillary. no, let's keep them honest. for the last five years, you've been saying the president of the

united states is -- is not legitimate because he comes -- because he, quote, comes from africa and may be a muslim. we can't let him get away with this. let's actually keep them honest. you started the birther movement. own it. >> you've had a former member of the donald trump campaign, who i'm going to ask my producers to kindly remind me of his name. he owned the fact that this was a campaign strategy, "new york times" piece that quotes him saying, we decided to latch onto this birther idea as a strategy to launch him as a national figure. why are they suddenly attempting to lie about it when they've owned it in the past? >> donald trump is a very american character. the person who plays on the weaknesses and insecurities of others to sell them things they wouldn't otherwise buy. that's something very soviet about his campaign. the constantly changing lies and the need to say, for kellyanne

conway, a formerly respected figure in american politics, to say one thing one day and a completely different thing the next day. the hillary clinton campaign did get up to a lot of mischief on this front. but it was known, mark penn's famous memo was published on the atlantic website in 2008. it's still there if you want to read it. sydney bloomenthal, that was reported in 2009 and 2010. it is very hard to imagine that he could be shopping a story to dozens of reporters and it remain a secret for eight years later. if he shopped dozens of reporters as he shopped the whitey tape story, those reporters would know about it. even if they were sworn to secrecy during the campaign, it would be in their post-campaign books. >> absolutely. >> so the idea that eight years

later because one person had this recollection you necessarily believe it. one more thing about sending the person to africa. i think kellyanne conway there has mistaken something that did actually happen. it was true that the old newspaper -- they had a nairobi bureau. you get this story in 2008. it's not crazy you would call up your nairobi bureau chief and say look into this. a heavily pregnant woman got on a prop plane in hawaii and spent a year's income in order to fly from l.a. to new york and from rome to nairobi in order to give her child the advantages -- [ laughter ] >> for the purposes of making a person named barack hussein obama president of the united states. none of this makes any sense. >> that's incredible foresight right. what david was saying, we have

to figure out how to continue holding them accountable. it's increasingly looking like a third world banana republic election where people are constantly trying to instigate and cause fear by lying. >> having written a book by the way on this -- not plugging my own book. >> called fracture. >> this is incident play into it. everybody who's written a book about hillary clinton in any shape or form could have found the information out had her campaign been responsible for birtherism. it would be in my book, every single book about that campaign. let's move onto the next thing. . you talked about the soviet nature of the trump campaign. this press conference that took place not far from here at donald trump's new washington, d.c. hotel. it was not a press conference. it was a commercial for his commercial enterprise that

turned into a 37-second statement and a 7-second retraction of birther ric ee ee. this is kellyanne conway on "meet the press". >> i can't believe some of you in the media were suppose set that they had to give 25 minutes of coverage to these incredible veterans and military heros who took the stage. don't they deserve 25 minutes of coverage? people get themselves up in this tizzy and project onto our campaign. >> jonathan, i'm going to ask you this because you work for the "washington post." if the trump campaign had said we'd like you to come to a press conference about military veterans, would the post have said absolutely not? is the only way to have gotten them there to trick them into saying he was going to respond on birtherism? >> no. donald trump is a republican nominee. if he's doing an event, the "washington post" would go, assuming he'd let us in.

remember, all that morning, the campaign was telegraphing major announcement from donald trump. everyone thought it was going to be on birtherism. at no point did i know or anyone know that there were going to be 20 veterans on that stage with him. instead, it looked like he was using those veterans as human shields. first, his infomercial about his hotel, then the veterans, runs offer the stage, takes no questions. has the press standing on chairs yelling and screaming at him, and then not allowing the reporters to go with him on the tour around the hotel. the press is angry because it got punked. it got played yet again. and i think right to this day that friday will be -- will be looked upon as a turning point moment in this campaign. the press is angry, his

statement angered african-americans. i don't know if anyone saw the impromptu press conference that members of the congressional black caucus did. it was carried live. the angry, fury, rage, and r righteous indignation. >> i'm wondering if the next step in this, people will also start to notice this diagram between donald trump's campaign and his commercial interests. this would in theory continue if he were president. >> it's unstoppable. one of the things -- she was asked the question, why did donald trump change his mind after all this time. he wasn't convinced when the president released his birth certificate. suddenly he's convinced. she answered, you'll have to ask the candidate. so -- so -- the they thiing abos

is, he has somehow gone above the sheer incompetence of his campaign. the first presidential debate -- and many journalists, okay, i guess that will -- >> and, you know -- >> why did you change your mind. >> that has to be done. i think that the media is now in a position where there has to be a new level of accountability for donald trump. >> it's about time. remember when he did his trump stakes, his water, his wine. it's been a minute. the thing about kellyanne conway is that she is incredibly savvy. her sound bites, donald trump is being -- all of a sudden, folks are being unfair to donald trump again. she's giving him the discipline that really makes the task of journalism that much more. we really have to make sure that she's being held accountable. she is within the belly of washington. she knows how to play both games

and she knows what the audience is looking for. the more that you can hold her accountable -- and this is advice for hillary for debate time. she's going to have to figure out how to throw donald trump off his game so he is all of a sudden not the kellyanne conway spokesperson, but the donald trump that we know. >> are we doing too little to hold accountable the people that don't care that he's a putinite, the people who like him despite the birtherism. we are holding voters unaccountable. >> something is going on in the republican world that may be also changing. if you're paul ryan, you're calculation until recently has been this, of course trump is going to lose. my job is to hold together my party sufficiently so he doesn't take down my entire caucus with them. i have loyaltities to them. if the question is suddenly, maybe he's not going to lose,

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we are standing by for a news conference by new york city officials on the explosion that rock aed a crowded downtown neighborhood last night. 29 people suffered mostly minor injuries. all of the victims have now been released from the hospital. bill de blasio says the blast was an intentional act but there is no known link to international terrorism. officials are investigatin a possible secondary device, a pressure cooker, with tape wires and a cell phone that was recovered a few blocks away from the explosion screen.

amy goodman joins us live from chelsea. tell us what you have seen. >> reporter: our newsroom is right in this area. i have been watching this over the last 12 hours. i think what's important to report is that street between 23rd and between 6th and 7th is not as people say a place that is highly populated at night. it's really almost a vast construction scene. you have the home of the blind being renovated, computer store that just went out of business because the rents are going up. same with a number of stores on the street. huge row of dumpsters about 15 of them. so this wasn't meant to maximize damage. if you were coming to drop a device, you could hide behind a dumpster. they're saying it might have been in some kind of toolbox. it blew one of the dumpsters along the north side of the street straight on to the south

side of the street. but this is not an area where you would inflict maximum damage. thank goodness it wasn't more than 29 minor injuries. that's so important. but this is not a street where people -- that is heavily populated at that time. it's really a street that's going through a lot of change and right now a lot of construction. so you've got empty buildings. you've got renovated buildings that are happening right now. and dumpsters and orange construction barriers everywhere. that's all the time. >> i understand the pictures that we're looking at are from democracy now. you have some pictures of the damage that we are sharing with you. as you see pictures to the audience there, those are pictures that amy goodman's democracy now has supplied to us. talk to us -- we spoke with richard engel about the proximity where the device did explode and the subway.

it does seem there are not iconic buildings on the street. it's not heavily trafficked. no outdoor caves or typical targets of the terrorism we see in europe. was that close enough to a subway entrance that that could have been a theoretical target? >> reporter: sure. you've got subways at 23rd and 7th and 23rd and 6th. this was right in between. you know, it's even somewhat dark. it's a street of express buses that were just put in. it's a street where there's not as many people walking or sitting at cafes. it's a street where you could hide something. the problem for people in the neighborhood already is that there's so much construction going on that businesses are going out of business because of gentagai higher rent. the issue of whether maximum damage was meant, it might have been a crime of opportunity. although, we don't know what has taken place. right now, the street is

completely closed off. governor cuomo walked through and the mayor were outside starbucks. they did a laser photograph of the entire area and they have closed it off. >> governor cuomo said new yorkers are not going to be cowed by this and going to go about their daily lives. when you are talking with people around the area, what are you hearing from them? >> well, i mean, of course, people were very afraid at the time of the explosion, 8:30 last night. they said, you know, the buildings shook, the buildings around it. people are not allowed really to go in and out very much right now. it's still a major crime scene. but i do think it's critical -- >> we are -- we are out of time. we are up against the clock. amy goodman, thank you for that report from democracy now. we appreciate you. thank you. we are just moments away from that news conference about last

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hello, everyone. we begin this hour with breaking news in this very city. any minute now we are expecting an update from new york police and mayor bill de blasio about last night's explosion in manhattan. the blast ripped through the busy chelsea neighborhood around 8:30 p.m., injuring 29 people, one of them seriously. cameras in a gym across the street, you are seeing what it caught on tape of the explosion. the force was enough to shatter the gym's glass doors. just a few blocks away, police then discovered a second suspicious device, a preure cooker outfitted with extra wires and a cell phone. that setup was removed from the scene. it was taken to a facility for analysis. in a news conference a short time ago, governor cuomo told new yorkers, don't be afraid.