tomorrow morning when talk about colin powell's e-mails and the possibility of bush 41 voting for hillary clinton. tomorrow morning at 9:00 eastern. stay tuned for that and first, mtp daily starts right now. if it's tuesday we are awaiting donald trump to speak in north carolina in a day of tough talk on the trail. tonight, how profiling, the refugee crisis and skittles are taking center stage over national security. >> what's insensitive is to turn a blind eye to policies that are very likely compromising safety and security of the american people. >> how the rise of donald trump is playing on the world stage. >> today a nation ringed by walls would only imprison itself. >> the investigation into ahmed khan rahami. this is mtvda trkmtp daily and

right now. good evening, i'm kristen welker in washington for chuck todd. the presidential race took a hard turn following terror attacks and they are at the epicenter of the political debate for a return of profiling treating terror suspects as enemy combatants and comparing refugees to you guessed it, skittles. trump is about to take the stage in north carolina. we will keep a close eye on that event. for better or worse, he is at the center of this conversation right now. case and point, earlier today he delivered his last address in new york. in the global spotlight, his address was a take down of trumpism. >> alternative visions of the world have pressed forward. aggressive nationalism.

a crude populism who seeks to restore what they saw was a simpler age free of outside contamination. i do believe that these visions fail to recognize at a basic level our common humanity. a nation ringed by walls would only imprison itself. >> they are facing controversy after donald trump jr. admitted risks of admitting refugees to skittles that could kill you. kelly o'donnell spoke to mike pence about the comments. >> i understand in a political season people seize on the smallest of things. >> did it strike you as being insensitive when there are men and children and women who have suffered who are just looking for a way out. >> what is insensitive is to turn a blind eye to policies that are very likely compromising the safety and security of the american people. >> trump himself amps up his rhetoric on the issue of

national security, slams his opponent at a rally as providing comfort to our enemies. >> she calls the patriotic americans who support our campaign, many of them cops and soldiers, deplorable and irredeemable. has she ever talked that way about radical islam? >> after grabbing the momentum, the trump campaign ran into trouble. there is the comments from trump about firing up the gas chambers and compared refugees to skittles as we discussed. a reversal on birtherism that continues to dog the campaign. new poll numbers show clinton gaining ground. they have clinton up points and to top it off, a bombshell report in the post that trump used more than a quarter million dollars from his charity to settle legal problems with his business. kelly o'donnell joins me after the exclusive interview with

mike pence. fantastic job. so many headlines to get to. i want to start with one of them. we talk about the fact that donald trump seemed to suggest that the terror suspects should be an enemy combatant and treated that way. you asked mike pence about that. what was your answer and take away? >> of course the suspect is afghan-born and i asked if the privileges of american citizenship should be full low a part of his prosecution and it was interesting that governor pence responded acknowledging that he is a naturalized citizen, therefore has access to the american courts. he did not go as far as donald trump has and expressed a lot of dismay about the fact that rahami had been identified to law enforcement a couple of years ago and his father expressed concerns and pence was really at a loss to explain how that happened and suggested that law enforcement had been hamp

hampered by political correctness and talking about the issue of the status of rahami as he is prosecuted. >> he is a naturalized american citizen and has access to the courts. however it is prosecuted, we really need to think long and hard about the challenges that our law enforcement community face and we have to move past the era of political correctness. and we have a bit of an announcement happening at the location that hosted us today. disregard that. you see the difference there between pence and trump. trump changing ahead to suggest that rahami should be treated differently than his american status should allow and pence being more retrospect in terms of how things should go forward. not closing the door, but not embracing it as fully. >> we will ask a supporter and surrogates about that in a

moment. i want to ask you about the subject of birtherism. this is something that remains in the headlines. the clinton campaign continues to hit donald trump for how he handled the entire topic. i want to play your exchange with mike pence and get your reaction on the other side. >> last week he put an end to that issue. >> did he really? >> sure he did. >> he allowed so many americans to think the president was not born in the united states. he didn't really correct that until he had to because the debate is next week. >> but kelly, you know over the course of this campaign over the last year and a half, donald trump has been focused america great again. >> kelly, obviously a lot of controversy around that issue. as you pointed out, they were trying to put it to rest before the debate. what is the strategy heading into the debate to make it go away or do they have one? >> i think what you find is they are trying to close a door and

insisting everyone else close it too. when questions come up, they refuse to engage. mike pence said it's over and as you saw, i pressed him on whether it would be appropriate to if not apologize to the president who is not seeking such an apology, apologize to the supporters and those who believed trump because he was a lead or this birther issue and it was wrong from the beginning and he would not go there. he said it's over and done with and they are looking towards the future. they don't want it to get new oxygen and that won't stop others who still think it hasn't been fully litigated and trump has not said all that needs to be said. i asked governor pence who has a different personal style than trump and the trump we have come to see. i said you are a polite guy. wouldn't you have apologized? he didn't pick up on that. while he can be a vigorous campaigner, he tends to be a softer tone not looking for a controversial fight, but on this

issue he is trying to say just like trump, it is over, finished in the words of trump and he wouldn't go there. kristen? >> kelly o'donnell, fantastic interview. thank you very much. i am joined by trump campaign's senior adviser. appreciate it and it's great to talk to you. >> great to be on. thirchgs for having me. >> i want to talk about the broader picture that the campaign finds itself in right now. donald trump had momentum and what we have seen in the past several days is he lost a little bit that was and he had his son with the comment about gas chambers and the birther press conference and now the skittles tweet and the post charity story questioning donald trump's handling of the charity. do you get the sense that the campaign veered off course? >> not at all. donald trump has been consistent. if you pay attention to what he

is talking about and not what the media is talking about. we are focused and disciplined and charging ahead and talking about the issues that most americans are focused on and not what most of the media is focused on. we want to know who built it up and make our country safer, particularly a lot of what happened over the weekend. donald trump is the number one person talking about that and who most americans trust on the economy and national security and that's why we have seen a rise in moment um and we will continue to see that and think that america will get a great chance to see the contrast of that and where donald trump is on those big issues versus hillary clinton. >> if you look at the polls, he has lost ground according survey monkey with likely voters and shows clinton with a-point national lead. does that concern you as a top adviser when you see the comments that take the conversation off course like the

skittles issue. does that not concern thaw the campaign is getting back into its old ways again? >> not at all because again i don't think the campaign is getting back into their old ways, but the media is looking for ways to provide distractions. there are quite a few polls ha show that donald trump is in a dead heat with clinton, particularly the most key battle ground states and a major shift of almost 15 points among african-americans that are getting behind donald trump. that is a big deal that no one is talking about. this race is tied. particularly in the states that matter because we are focused on the issues that americans care about and he is resonating with a lot more people than hillary clinton. if we talk about people getting off track, it's hillary clinton. the biggest and most disqualifying moment of her campaign is when she called trump supporters deplorable and

showed the level of contempt she has for americans across this country who are supporting donald trump. >> she did walk the comments back. i want to get your reaction. >> of course she did. >> let me get your reaction to what we heard from kelly o'donnell and the split between donald trump who is indicating that the new york terror suspect should not get hospital treatment and should be treated as an enemy combatant and pence saying this is not the case. there is a divide between donald trump and the vp pick. >> they are looking for every option to prosecute the person under the full extent of the law. what we have to do is stop focusing on political correctness. >> they seemed to be at odds with their answers. their answers did not lineup. >> i tend to disagree because i think they are looking for how do we stop this and make america

safe again? donald trump and mike pence are different personalities and approach things differently and use different language to explain it. the main priority here is what can we do to keep america safe and what can we do to prosecute this person to the full extent of the law and get back to where we have the allies and enemy spirits. under obama and clinton, we have lost that high ground and we are in a much more dangerous world. we have to get back to a place where we have that stability. >> i know that donald trump called for this stricter vetting. when you look 59 the terror suspect though, he was a legal citizen. he had been here since he was years old and his family had a small business here. isn't donald trump missing the point in terms of how to prevent this? it seems like homegrown extremism. >> his own father and family

reported him that they thought he might be a terrorist. that was two years ago. that's something we should have aggressively been following up. we are allowing political correctness to outweigh common sense. >> his father said that was made in the heat of the moment and donald trump called for extreme vetting and limit the number of refugees that would be allowed in. isn't that missing the point of what actually caused this terror attack which was a case of homegrown extremism. >> i don't think it is missing the point that we have to make america safe again and focus on vetting at home and need to look and know who is coming in and why they are coming here. this is a great example of someone who uses common sense and not focusing so much on political correctness. they have a wall and they vet and they have a pretty good

track record on keeping these things from happening on their soil. america has not done as good of a job and that is in large part to the obama clinton open door policy and the failed foreign policy that they implemented in the last eight years. >> there is stiff vetting and a two-year vetting process right now. i want to turn to "the washington post" report and give you a chance to respond to that and analyze the tax filings of trump charity and found that he used the money to prop up private interest including he paid $100,000 to settle a legal dispute between the palm beach golf club and the city of florida and found that the charity paid 158,000 $ to settle a dispute between the new york golf club and the private plaintiff. that would appear to violate tax laws with self dealings. we have yet to hear the response to this. what is your reaction and how

problematic is this? >> i don't think it's problematic that a major charity that gave millions to veterans organizations and done good all over this country and continues to do that versus what you have with hillary clinton who has -- >> if this money was used to settle legal disputes, that would be a violation of the laws that govern charities. would it not? >> i'm not a tax attorney so i'm not going to definitely into pretending to be one, not even on tv. in contrast, you have hillary clinton who created a slush fund through the clinton foundation and a pay to play scandal in the state department. that's a very big difference than i charity that has given money and donald trump who has given over $100 million to different charities. >> there is no proof that it is

a slush fund. you guys have been attacking the clinton foundation, but my question is don't the headlines under cut trump's moral high ground here in terms of his ability to attacking clinton foundation? >> not at all when you have a government official that is taking part in a pay to play scandal and to me, those things are not even close to comparable. again, you have hillary clinton who is secretary of state and admitting they gave access to donors to the state department for meetings. that is a major problem. that is very different than a charity giving money to veterans than a pla pay to play. this put the security at risk. those are not in the same ballpark. >> to be fair, there is no security that national security was put at risk. do you know if the new york attorney general contacted donald trump the campaign and

the trump foundation about these allegations? >> i don't. i have not heard that he has. >> do you know why they haven't responded? why won't the trump campaign put this story to rest? >> you can certainly count on the trump campaign responding. we haven't hidden from anything yet unlike hillary clinton who refused for almost an entire year to take questions from the press. that is not the case on our side. you can expect us to respond. >> sarah huckabee sanders, appreciate talking to you. >> you bet. thank you. >> more on how the bombings are changing the conversation on the trail. how president obama's message the united nations is drawing a stark contrast to the refugee rhetoric and how it plays out on the stage. we'll be right back after a quick break. improved fl economy. even technology to make engines more efficient.

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this is a testament to common humanity. whether we give in to suspicion and fear and whether we see ourselves in another. >> without saying the republican nominee's name, an emotional president obama spoke at the united nations at a summit he hosted on the national crisis. he defended his policies and screening practices and urged his fellow leaders to do more to help families. donald trump fired back moments ago at his remarks in north carolina. >> hillary clinton is the chief emissary for globalism. i'm not running for president of the world. i'm running to be president of the united states. i'm running to represent america and america first and america is going to come first from now on. >> let's bring in the panel. "washington post" deputy editorial page ruth marcus and

hugh hewitt, host on the salem network. appreciate it here. over the refugee crisis and coming into sharper focus given what happened over the weekend. saying i don't want to be the period of the world. that resonates with his supporters and doesn't help him expand. >> there is a ferry that they have the reaction to president bush if we recall and president obama went to berlin and explicitly made a claim to global leadership. i think you see in his leadership, aeversal that the america first rhetoric that rings with overtones that are dark for many people and with his base and the majority of americans is tightening. >> given the fact that some people, a lot of people get concerned and scared all over again when you have terror

attacks like the one over the weekend. does trump's message resonate and does hillary clinton have to hit back or no? >> there is a way in which trump's message does resonate. i thought it was amusing when president obama mentioned walls. i wonder who he was talking about. he mentioned berlin. look at the issues that angela merkel is having in her country after being accepting of refugees. one of the lessons of this refugee crisis and one of the lessons of the terrorism that we are all enduring is that you have to be attentive to folks at home and to the anxieties that this kind of thing creates. she is going to need to be responsive to that. >> it was striking how different the response were. and continued to be in the wake of this weekend's bombings. >> you had two speeches that were about donald trump.

he made several references to walls and talks about how globalized trade makes us better and a rebuttal of globalization and hillary is on every issue on the obama side of a globalized world and better for the economy and supports bringing in more refugees as well. this is a silly campaign in a lot of ways, but there is a difference in a globalized world. >> absolutely. and of course leading up to the first debate, it puts a stark contrast on the issue of foreign policy. you do see donald trump and he had a lot of momentum and there have been misstepped. >> i have a different take. this morning survey monkey has clinton up and i had shawn trendy who is a great bias and

people are giving answers they believe people want to hear and for which they will not be judged. there is no blinking way to know where this race is. i don't believe that anybody has a clue and momentum shifts. the debate on monday night is a big deal and maybe the biggest deal of this election. >> we are in a state of suspended animation right now. just waiting for the debate. while we are in that state of suspended animation, i wasn't sure you were allowed to say blinking. >> blinking is okay. >> we are seeing some events creep in and shape the debate. for example the terrific reporting by my colleague about the trump foundation which you asked sarah huckabee sanders about. as well as the implications of the terrorists. it's a very comforting thing when donald trump said i am

going to be tough and we will hit them hard. i think other voters look at that and say what does that mean? we have been hitting them and might be a little bit more tuned to let's call it the more nuanced approach to secretary clinton. >> there is no doubt there will be more pressure for him to get specific about his policies. i want to ask you about the skittles controversy. something we may or may not hear in the first debate. it's not the candidate himself, but it's again raises questions about is there a tone deafness we are seeing coming from the trump campaign? >> you saw in polls and i would argue that hillary had the pneumonia and the deplorables that caused her poll numbers to dip. whoever the voters do not like or whoever the attention is on tends to look worse in the polls.

now i think trump's message could work, but the other scandals with the charity and the skittles and the negative attention on him is not helpful. if you are president. will you control your twitter. that's where we are headed. i think donald trump jr. is not donald trump, but trump might have a good message about refugees and it is distracting with the unforced errors. >> i would rather rather than focusing on donald trump jr.'s tweets, we should focus on donald trump's words. i was offended when he talked about the suspect and he is going to get the best lawyer. isn't that what we want in america and what john adams did before the revolution? we give people lawyers and we want adversary system to work. >> i was talking to your colleague and try not to be

overwhelmed and a major story is the tulsa shooting. this is deeply disconcerting. skittles is absurd to me. >> i take your point, but is it not emblematic that it is such a serious crisis we are facing as a country and as a community and does it not make it seem as though -- i read in the syrian crisis. >> you could buy that to what you are saying. >> this is deeply heart breaking and a genocide into 160 children. it's a very terrible situation to somehow take a metaphor as opposed to an adjective. basket of deplorables. and make it a needle in a haystack situation. i just used a metaphor and skittles used a metaphor.

i think it's silly and dimini diminishes the importance of this. >> can we agree that skittles in the context of dead children is offensive? then we could maybe agree that it was offensive and agree that it's not donald trump's fault and there are bigger things to write about and then i will go to maybe there is a failure of empathy in the trump family at large. >> do you think that donald trump needs to say that his son -- i had to in my tweets. you have to do the same. >> not on skittles. >> what about m&ms? >> the use of metaphor is such a part of our language and the difficulty of discernment of threat. not for the refugees. where as clinton used deplorables as an adjective about his voters. that is a big business. we might have a difference of person, but the refugee crisis

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back now with the latest on the investigation into this weekend's explosions in new york and new jersey. federal investigators say there were explosive devices connected to the investigation, but they don't know where the bombs were assembled. we are learning about a handwritten note the suspect was carrying when he was captured and this was not the first time rahami had been subject to a police inquiry. the 2014 report revealed that

his father called him a terrorist in a family fight. we will get the new there is pete williams. start right there. tell us about the report from a neighbor that his own father called him a terrorist in the heat of the moment. >> that's what the father says. this goes back to a domestic violence incident and during the motion, a neighbor claims that she overheard rahami's father say you are a terrorist and get out of my house. the police told the fbi about it and rahami was charged with stabs his brother in the leg and the charges were dropped, but he was in jail for a time. the fbi did question the father who said according to officials that he didn't mean it and it was the heat of the argument and he had no reason to think his son was a terrorist, but it did open the investigation of sorts. it looked at federal databases and interviewed family members

and interviewed neighbors. he concluded that there was no terror connection and went back and interviewed the father again who according to officials said again, i didn't mean it. i have no reason to think my son was a terrorist and the case was closed. >> let me follow-up with you. we spoke with the father and apparently he said that the fbi didn't do its job. did the fbi follow protocol? >> the officials say the father himself told the fbi, the quick answer is yes, the fbi followed rules for doing these things and didn't find anything. the father according to officials said i didn't think my son was a terrorist. i didn't mean it. it was in the heat of the argument. that is different from what he is saying now that they didn't do their job. he said there was nothing to see here. >> you have been reporting on

this note that police found. what is the latest? what was in that note? >> the notebook would be a better way to say it. found on him when he was shot and arrested in linden, new jersey. according to officials who are familiar with the contents, it is full of anti-american sentiments and he talks about the ft. hood massacre in 2009 where a soldier shot fellow soldiers and praises bin laden and the al qaeda propaganda who was killed by a drone strike who has been tied to a number of attempted and successful terror attacks in the u.s. >> pete, as you look forward, what are you tracking and when can we expect the federal charges to be filed? >> the federal prosecutor said yesterday that the government would take its time in working upcharges because he has been charged with attempting to murder five policemen in linden when he was shot and killed

yesterday. the bombs were found yesterday in elizabeth near the train station, but we think that the charges could come as late or as early as late today. the federal charges or tomorrow, i suppose. we don't know what the timing is. >> already. pete william, thank you as always. appreciate it. >> you bet. >> still ahead, could big dollar donors help trump close the ad money gap. with six days until the first debate, the candidates lay out their game plans. that's next. i would always answer hispanic. so when i got my ancestry dna results it was a shocker. i'm everything. i'm from all nations. i would lookt forms now and wonder what do i mark? because i'm everything. and i marked other. discover the story only your dna can tell. order your kit now at ancestrydna.com.

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million to boost republicans including $5 million to help trump and joe rickets who once spent millions backing anti-trump tax plans on giving at least a million dollars to the pro trump group. we will not see a lot, but it could go a long way to narrowing the deficit to hillary clinton. with less than a week to the first debate, what we know about the plans to attack each other. that's next. ♪ take on any road with intuitive all-wheel drive. the nissan rogue, mura and pathfinder. now get 0% apr for 72 months, plus $500 bonus cash. when you're close to the people you love,

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both candidates are making it clear they are ready to rumble. here's what hillary clinton said on the steve harvey radio show today. >> i understand it's a contact sport, but i'm not going to take what he says about everybody else. you know, his attacks on muslims and women and people with disabilities. it's just something we cannot tolerate. >> it's time now for the lid. the panel is back. perry bacon and hugh hewitt. set the stakes i have been talking to folks who said this could really make or break for either one of the candidates. if donald trump hits a home run, it could be tough for secretary clinton to come back. >> it will be the most watched debate ever. i have been on just the republican side, they are fun to do and more fun to be done if you are in lester holt's position, but it will be pivotal to the race.

governor romney won the first debate handly. it doesn't matter. it will matter in the next two. he won two races and it's big, but only if there is not another debate. >> what's your assessment and what are you expecting? i have been talking to sources and she is preparing to take on two different donald trumps. one, the donald trump who will be aggressive and the teleprompter donald trump. >> my guess is we will see both of those. she needs to be prepared to take on both. the first trump that we will see is teleprompter trump and he will try to come off as statesman-like. she will be doting him and perhaps the moderator. he will be doing something that he will be doting and he told us how he responds. he is a counter puncher and start to counter attack. hillary clinton will seize any opportunity that he gives her and perhaps more to say there

you go again. racist and whatever. insulting people. i think it really could be worth the number of people that are tuning in to it. >> out that night. perry, what are you going to be watching for. >> there's about 15% of the electorate that's either gary johnson, jill stein, or undecided. i would be interested to see how they try to appeal to those people who probably don't want to hear them slam each other and attack each other and call each other racist. hillary's numbers with millennials, not that great. so i'm curious how they try to appeal to those people, johnson is not likely to be president, be 7% of the vote that's out there to grab if you're smart about it. >> i was just beginning to say, the lemillennials. that's really who she's got to win over in order to bring out the obama coalition in full force. >> so far, she's been trying to do -- she's reversed this week. she's moved towards, here's what i'm going to do -- i'm sure the debate will have a lot of attacking trump, still. but there's a way to gain vote

here, not from the other guy, but from the undecided box. >> perry makes a really good point, it and really goes to the multiple tasks that women are supposed to be good multi-taskers. this is a multi-tasking the debate for her. she has to both put forward a positive vision, make yourself more attractive to the millennials, and counterpunch, and if necessary, fact check trump. >> she has a tremendous advantage, as well. she's been in a dozen one-on-one debates, whereas donald trump has not done a single one-on-one debate. >> a lot of folks have brought up that very to point. in the primaries, you were a part of this process, he didn't have to talk as much. >> and he had foils to play off of. he could pick a target, and there was a time constraint. >> how does he prepare for that? can he? i've read accounts of the preparation, which mystify me, as someone who studied presidential debates. i'm sure it mystifies perry and ruth. he does not appear to be prepared. >> in the sense that he's not doing mock debates yet? >> correct. >> it will be interesting to see

if he does one ahead of monday's debate. i want to ask you about some breaking news that we're getting. andrea mitchell reporting this report that kathleen kennedy townsend saying that former president george h.w. bush told her and others in kennebunkport that he plans to vote for hillary clinton. let me start with you, perry, on this point. there have been a lot of rumblings about this. a lot of buzz about this. it's not a surprise, but what's the significance, do you think? >> i was going to say to you that this is big news that a former president of one party is going to vote for the other party's nominee. at the same time, we've said so many, the colin powells, the brent scowcrofts, we had so many people of the traditional republican establishment, neither bush wins the convention. so i don't think it has a big impact, to be honest with you. i feel like donald trump supporters are not looking for bush's permission to vote for who they're going to vote for. >> could it help her expand her support? win over some of those independents. >> i'm not sure it has a big electoral impact, but it's pretty seismic within the party.

one thing we need to remember, and george w. bush made clear -- or jeb bush, i'm sorry, made clear he couldn't support trump. and so the thing that we have to remember about the bushes is family loyalty is everything to them. if there was ever going to be a republican nominee that george h.w. bush wasn't beginning to support, it was going to be donald trump. not just because of what donald trump represents, but because of what donald trump has said about his son. >> hugh, give us the broader view from the perspective of a republican. can you have imagined that former president george h.w. bush would not be supporting the party's -- >> i'm not going to credit the report to this extent. i think miss townsend ought to retire from the board. they are mad as hell, i'm told, that she did this. that having been said, is anyone surprised that the bushes are upset with mr. trump? mitt romney is on the record of not voting for him. bob dole on his side. bob schultz on the record. the republican elites are quite

fractured. i don't think it matters, at this election. >> let me shift gears here. i want to bring up a story you raised, hugh. this shooting in tulsa, where you have an african-american man, another african-american man being shot by police officers. it's caught on camera. we do not know how the case is going to turn out. hillary clinton's responded, though. responded quite forcefully and said we need to address this crisis. this problem. hugh, does donald trump need to respond? >> yes, i think this is a -- an overarching narrative. i traveled the country with sheriff david clark, with the super pac co-sponsor with my radio network next week. and sheriff clarke of milwaukee said, please, people, do what the police ask you to do. i've watched it a half dozen times, it's just terrible. >> it's tough. perry, what are the ripple effects, do you think? >> i'm happy to hear the candidates talk about this, but this is a deeper issue than national politics. this is about local police, this is about race, this is about, it

appears that officers feel like young black men are a threat to them at all times. and in some places, cases, this is a much deeper than politics and needs to -- i don't know what the solution is, but i can't watch anymore of these videos. it's really distressing to see. >> great last point. perry, ruth, and hugh, thank you for a tremendous conversation. appreciate it. we'll be right back with one more story you might have missed. stay with us.

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in case you missed it, it was deja vu all over again on

the hill today. minority leader harry reid took to the senate floor to call out donald trump as a quote, swindler, and slam the republican nominee for not releasing his tax returns. >> he was born with an inheritance, but lost his daddy's wealth. that is why donald trump won't release his tax returns. that's certainly one of the reasons, of course. he's not worth nearly as much as he claims to be. >> so here's the thing. reid has gone down this road before. in 2012, he stood on the senate floor and accused then republican presidential nominee mitt romney of not having paid taxes for the past decade. and it turned out not to be true. he got a pants-on-fire rating from politifact. let's be clear, there's absolutely bipartisan agreement that trump should release his tax returns. and frankly, something for the trump campaign to note, making his tax return public is how mitt romney proved reid wrong back in 2012. but maybe harry reid, who never apologized to romney for being

wrong would have better standing if a similar argument from the same location hadn't been proven wrong once before. that is all for tonight. chuck will be back tomorrow with more "mtp daily." "with all due respect" starts right now. i'm mark halperin. >> and i'm john heilemann. and with all due respect to donald trump jr., we think we know what candy he won't be giving out at halloween. >> taking my life into my own hands here according to donald trump jr. our show tonight, new details emerging about ahmad khan rahami, the man suspected of setting off homemade explosives in manhattan and new jersey this week, injuring 29 people. rahami's father reportedly warned police about his son two years ago, but an fbi