>> he didn't have no gun. he wasn't messing with nobody. they jumped out their truck. they said, hands up. he got a gun. he got a gun. pow, pow, pow, pow. that's it. >> i'm a black guy so when i see this i'm thinking any given moment i get pulled over, stopped, a cop comes, it's likely that i'm going to get shot, armed or not. it's been growing. people getting shot everywhere. >> joining me now is the president of the naacp branch in charlotte, north carolina, corrinne mack. good morning. i want to talk about this shooting, but last night you were specifically at these protests where there was a lot of frustration and outrage. what went on there? it was a very violent scene. >> well, initially it was not a violent scene. at the end of the day we have to remember one thing, african-americans have been killed consistently over the course of a year and a half. african-americans have been oppressed for hundreds of years. african-americans are sick and tired of being sick and tired of

being killed. with no one being accountable for our deaths, with there being no person actually being tried and found guilty and it looks as if our lives don't matter. so initially we had a peaceful protest yesterday and eventually it did become a little bit more rowdy, but what do you expect from human beings when consistently we're being killed and there's no accountability for our deaths? that's the problem. my problem is that -- i'm sorry. go ahead. >> no. i'm sorry. there were 12 police officers injured. you had said earlier you don't want your city to turn into a baltimore. we know how tense things have been in that city, so what is it that you're looking for? what do you want the environment to be? >> justice. equality. that's all we ask for. we want to have a good quality of life. we want to go home safely to our families as well. at the end of the day for me it's not about the cops versus black people, it's about black

people being killed and oppressed and hurt every single day, being treated as if we're not citizens, we're not equal, we're not human. that's the case for me. i am more concerned today about the scott family. we're talking about all this stuff, but has anybody reached out to the scott family to give them love, to give them support? that's my concern today. >> i can tell you i know that nbc has reached out to the scott family. while you were at the protests, were those police officers who were there acting inappropriately? >> it's not about inappropriately. when police officers come out in riot gear, that sends a signal to us that they're about to do us harm. we had a protest, which is our first amendment right. there was no need for riot gear at that point and i've had many conversations about the fact they should leave. >> people were throwing rocks. >> i'm listening to you. >> 12 officers were injured so it was -- it was a violent

scene. >> it did turn -- it did turn eventually, yes, it did. i'm not stating that it didn't, but i'm talking about the initial protest was a very peaceful protest. yes, folks were upset. people were actually venting. no question about it. but that's their first amendment right. at some point it became violent, yes, and i do not stand here and say that i support that in any way and i don't think that the family does either. i think the scott family is hurting and they do not want the legacy of their dad to be this legacy. absolutely not. >> corrinne, our deepest sympathy to all of you and the scott family. the mayor will be speaking. we'll take that press conference live. thank you for your work. thank you for your thoughts this morning. >> thank you. i appreciate you. have a good day. >> thanks. in oklahoma there was peaceful protests after that fatal shooting. a police shooting again of an african-american man there. terrance crutcher was shot and killed by a police officer.

it was captured on video and crutcher was not armed. the lead investigator says a vile of pcp was found in the car but the family says police are simply trying to distract from the real issue at hand. following several fastly moving developments involving the man accused in the new york city and new jersey bombings. ahmad rahami is facing new charges. we're live outside the rahami home. >> reporter: in addition to what he was already facing in new jersey which is five counts of attempted murder, there are new charges in both new york and new jersey in the complaint that was submitted, it is alleged that ahmed rahami used weapons of mass destruction with the intent of killing by force, if you will. those are two charges he's facing in new jersey. in addition to that, some of the specifics of the complaint

describe the 235k9 that he entered manhattan at about 6:30 p.m. through the lincoln tunnel. it talked about some of the notebook elements that he had, that he expressed anti-american sentiments. these complaints have been filed in addition to what we have in new jersey. >> tell me more about that notebook. this is a journal? >> reporter: yeah, this was a journal that they found on him when they captured him in linden, new jersey. it was actually his random scramblings or writings, if you will, that mention things about his support for anwar al awlaki, osama bin laden. he wanted to cause damage to the united states. so they're using that as well to draw a link between his actions and his ideology and support of radical terrorism. >> so there's a lot of questions. did rahami fall through the cracks. in 2014 there was an fbi investigation supposedly a neighbor heard his father call rahami a terrorist.

he stabbed his brother in the leg. what do you know? >> reporter: yeah, it didn't seem to reach the level of a full investigation by the fbi, but it was certainly at least at the level of an inquiry or interest and that is based on what you were saying. a neighbor heard a domestic dispute in which ahmad rahami was accused of stabbing his brother in the leg. his father was yelling at him. that was overheard by a neighbor who called officials and came in and talked to the father. the father said, yes, he used those statements. it was then retrabted saying he didn't mean it like that, not in the context of a terrorist that we're thinking of in the context of a modern terrorist. yesterday i spoke to the father. did you speak to the fbi? he said in one of his appearances in speaking to the media. he said they didn't do their job. he was taking a little bit of a dig at the fbi for not knowing what was wrong with his son back in 2014 when they came out and spoke to family members. ironically enough they never spoke to ahmad rahami about any

of those allegations. we're going to turn you to politics. lots to cover this morning. donald trump's campaign firing back against washington post report questioning whether the trump family foundation violated laws specifically did it use, get your head around this, more than 250 grand to settle legal disputes from trump's businesses? nbc's jacob rascon is live in toled toledo, ohio. first, mr. trump is meeting now with pastors in cleveland as part of this african-american outreach. what's he doing specifically? >> reporter: so what we know is that one of his high profile supporters, a pastor, somebody that spoke at the convention is hosting a leadership conference from various pastors from around the state happening now from 9:00 to 10:00. after that we're told he's supposed to have a sitdown with a fox news anchor to discuss african-american concerns. it will be noteworthy, particularly today, if he

addresses charlotte or oklahoma, which he has so far not done. >> all right. now we've got to move to this story of questionable donations. this is extraordinary to me. specifically, what are the donations and what is the problem? >> reporter: so the donations come from trump foundation, a charitable organization, or so it's supposed to be. they're questionable because they were used, according to the washington post reporting, to settle legal dispute. as you said, more than a quarter million dollars we're talking about. i'll mention a couple of examples. we have this $100,000 check. in 2007 the trump maralago club settled a dispute over the height of a flag pole. they were $100,000 in fines and did so with this check. the problem, of course, is that it didn't come from trump himself according to the reporting, it came from his charitable foundation. in another example, we're

talking about his golf courses based in new york, and there was a -- there was a lawsuit and the plaintiff agreed to settle the lawsuit if a donation was made to the charity of the plaintiff's choice. a donation was made for $158,000, again, the questionable practice is that it came from instead of trump himself from the foundation. the trump campaign has responded saying there are inaccuracies and omissions and facts wrong all over the story but did not point out any of those specifically. >> jacob, we don't have time to talk about that trump painting. i'm dying to because you know i love to have that thing hanging over my fireplace. all right. jacob rascon joining us from w tole toledo, ohio. we have a lot more to cover. when we return we'll talk about the violent protests that erupted in charlotte, north carolina. the mayor will be speaking at 9:30. we'll bring that to you live. weapons of mass destruction,

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you are watching msnbc. i'm stephanie rule. we are covering breaking news this morning. violent protests erupting in charlotte after police fatally shot an african-american man. details still coming in, but the man killed is identified as 43-year-old keith lamont scott. the police department says demonstrators following the shooting damaged police cars and about a dozen officers were injured. the mayor is speaking shortly and we'll bring that to you live. now i'd like to bring in democratic congressman jim hines of connecticut. good morning, congressman.

>> good morning, stephanie. >> first, your reaction to the situation unfolding in charlotte? >> well, it's just so discouraging. just week after week after week there are these episodes where usually an unarmed black man is killed, and it's a little like the mass shootings that affected us in connecticut many years ago. if it didn't happen this morning, you know tomorrow or the next day you're waking up and there it will be in the newspaper again another situation where another fellow american is dead who shouldn't be. it's enormously discouraging. needles to say, so is the reaction. by the reaction, i mean people breaking into teams. you either support the police or you support black lives matter. you get this team and you shout at each other. we've got a huge problem in this country that needs to be solved by training those relatively small number of police who have a real problem here. we need to listen to the african-american community or naacp representative who spoke so passionately a little while ago. we need to listen and we need to fix this, but we also need to remember that the vast majority

of police are good people. >> then, congressman, do you think we're not listening? because as you said, these incidents keep on happening. just this week in tulsa, oklahoma, an unarmed man walking away with his hands in the air, why does it keep happening? are we not listening? >> right. well, no, i don't think we are listening. we're certainly not listening adequately. in the military they have a problem, in the navy they have a standdown meaning they stop operations, they do a soup to nuts search of what is going wrong. when americans are being killed the way they're being killed with all of the racial overtones that these particular deaths are involved, police departments, bearing in mind we're talking about a very, very small percentage of police officers who are operating and doing these things, you know, there should be standdowns and there should be immediate training. this is not something that should extend into the next five-year period. this is something that needs to be fixed now. the other area in which we're not listening, maybe i spent too much time in the political

realm, all too often people of my skin color, you can just sort of see the rage developing and we need to support the police and -- of course we do. of course we do, but this is not an issue that lends itself to being on separate teams. this is an issue where we should stand down, get the training out there. think about the systemic racism quite frankly that african-americans feel in the whole judicial system in this country. undenieb bring and statistically. have a conversation with each other about fixing those problems. >> congressman, another soup to nuts search going on needs to be around this new york/new jersey bomber, the suspected bomber, ahmad rahami. you're on the house intelligence committee. based ond what you know, is there any more information around did this man act alone or was he part of a terror cell? >> well, we don't know definitively. i will tell you standing here now i have not seen any evidence that this guy had accomplices or worked with anybody.

again, this looks like it may be just what we call a lone wolf. could it turn out as it did in boston at the boston marathon bombings that there was a brother or friend involved? that may well turn out to be the case. but what's in a way more interesting is as scary as all that was, of course i live very close to new york city and in the suburbs up there, this was really a very badly executed event. as scary as it was, thank god no one was killed. this wasn't a major situation where hundreds of americans were killed. it wasn't even an orlando where sadly we lost so many people. it's evidence of the fact that whether or not he was working with somebody, our intelligence community, our defense people are extraordinarily good at identifying those plots that are out there that require a lot of planning, you know, e-mails to pakistan, telephone calls. you haven't seen a lot of these 9/11 type events. in fact, you haven't really seen any in the united states. >> congressman, they department get him. back in 2014 there was an fbi investigation. his father was questioned.

he stabbed his brother and a neighbor overheard the father saying that ahmad rahami was a terrorist. now the father later said, well, he was just angry. we know rahami also went to pakistan, went to afghanistan. did he fall through the cracks? >> he might have. you ask all the right questions there. we're as members of the intelligence committee going to ask those questions as well. you know, you'll remember that with the tsarnaev brothers in boston, they, too, there had been warnings about those guys. whenever that's the situation you sort of say with humility what i was saying before, which is that our intelligence community and law enforcement people do a really good job. yeah, there were indications here. now, remember, there's tens of thousands of so-called indications out there and our law enforcement people have limited resources. the questions you ask are exactly the right one. in this case should this guy have been identified, tagged and watched. >> congressman, thanks so much for joining me this morning. appreciate it. >> thank you, stephanie. coming up, did donald trump use his charible foundation to

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attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction in connection with the bombings in new york and new jersey over the weekend. the obama administration blaming russia for an airstrike on an aid convoy that killed 12 workers. russia denies it's responsible but admits it was tracking the convoy. gentleman. and after more than a decade together, angelina jolie has filed for divorce from brad pitt. the couple has six kids. brangelexit is what it's being called. we are awaiting two live events. the mayor of charlotte, north carolina, is expected to hold a press conference on last night's violent protests and donald trump is in cleveland where he will speak to a group of pastors. donald trump has been pushing a law and order agenda in an effort to win over african-american voters, but as the new protests in charlotte demonstrate, it is a very complicated issue. joining me now chief strategist and communications director for

the rnc shawn spicer. good morning, shawn. >> good morning, steph. >> you're down in d.c., i'm in new york. >> we're having a switcharoo. donald trump put out a tweet. i want be to share it with you. the situations in tulsa and charlotte are tragic. we must come together to make america safe again. donald trump surely showing compassion because this is a terrible time. this is a little bit tricky for mr. trump. he is the law and order pro police candidate. at the same time he's reaching out to black voters. how difficult is it for you, for him to walk this line when there is so much mistrust for the police from the black community? >> well, i don't think it's that difficult at all. number one, i think we can all show respect for police. they put their lives on the line for us every day, go out there and sacrifice, never know what's going to happen at a simple traffic stop. they do it because they care about their communities and our country. we can have the respect that we

should for our law enforcement and first responders. at the same time -- >> you know what, sean. i'm interrupting. it's because the mayor of charlotte is actually stepping up to the podium right now. we have to cut into that. >> information still to be sorted out. i am asking our community and people here to please wait until all information is available. in charlotte we have a long history of working together to solve problems thoughtfully and peacefully, and you have the commitment of your elected officials, you have the commitment of charlotte, our neighborhood, business leaders, and our faith communities that this tradition will continue. we have a long history of transparency and accountability

which, again, we remain committed to. we understand with these events everyone has different viewpoints and it makes it even more important to treat each other with dignity and respect and to wait until we have all of the information. i ask that as you express your viewpoint or perspective, please keep in mind that our top priority is for charlotte to remain a safe community for everyone who lives and visits here. please be patient as our charlotte police department and other city leaders as this is an ongoing investigation and we are still gathering information. at this time, i'd like to turn it over to the chief of police, chief kerr putney who will share more details about this investigation as it stands right now. chief. >> thank you, mayor.

good morning. first of all, this is a difficult time so i'm trying to be respectful of all parties involved. i'm not going to jeopardize the integrity of the investigation, but i will tell you the facts as we know them today. those facts are based on witnesses' statements and evidence that we found at the scene. yesterday, september 20th at 4:00 we had officers from our metro division crime reduction unit searching for a suspect who was wanted for outstanding warrants. this occurred at the village at college downs apartments. our officers observed a subject, mr. keith lamont scott, inside a vehicle at the apartment complex. he exited the vehicle armed with a handgun. the officers observed him get back into that vehicle at which time they approached the vehicle

to engage the subject. the officers gave loud, clear verbal commands which were also heard by many of the witnesses. they were instructing the subject to get out of the vehicle, to drop the weapon. in spite of their verbal commands mr. scott, as i said, exited his vehicle armed with a handgun as the officers continued to yell at him to drop it. he stepped out posing a threat to the officers and officer brently benson subsequently fired his weapon striking the subject. the officers immediately requested medic and began performing cpr. medic responded and transported the subject to the scene -- to cmc where he later was succumb by his injuries. our detectives through their investigation recovered the

firearm that the subject was holding in his hand when he got out of the vehicle. it was in very close proximity to the subject. as for our departmental protocol, officer vincent is being placed on administrative leave as we investigate this. as you know, there's a criminal track and a parallel investigative internal track to make sure none of our policies were violated along with none of our laws in the state of north carolina being violated as per the criminal investigation. yesterday evening about 7:00 p.m. the officers encountered protestors who were coming to protest the officer-involved shooting. about an hour later they saw -- we saw the crowd transition from protestors, demonstrators, which is legal, to more aggressive

agitators who began to break the law. we had our helicopter to give us eyes from the sky to help us see exactly what was transpiring there on the ground. at about 9:00 p.m. we had a lot of the agitators begin to damage police vehicles and throw rocks striking our officers. at about 10:54 p.m. i called for our civil emergency unit to come in to try to de-escalate the situation and disperse the rowdy crowd. later on in the evening, early this morning, actually, about quarter to 2 this morning an additional group of protesters and agitators gathered. they made their way down to interstate i-85 and they blocked both lanes, northbound and

southbound. they broke into the back of a tractor-trailer and started setting items on fire. we gave multiple warnings for dispersal to the crowd. when they were unheeded, we deployed gas to disperse the crowd. despite our constant direction to gain compliance and de-escalate, the demonstrators pushed through the police line. we did manage to arrest one person so far, but as i said, this investigation's ongoing. as of right now, we have 16 officers who have been injured. we have multiple police vehicles that have been damaged. and our officers acting heroically were just trying to de-escalate the situation and

resolve it as peacefully as possible. as always, our officers try to facilitate demonstrations and protests. they protect the rights of our citizens, but when that behavior becomes violent, aggressive, and destructive, we have to act as we did. and now we have a challenge here in charlotte. people are watching how we respond, how we react and i'm optimistic that the results of our action will be positive, will have positive outcomes, but it's time for the voiceless majority to stand up and be heard. it's time to change the narrative because i can tell you from the facts that the story's a little bit different as to how

it's been portrayed so far, especially through social media. so, charlotte, the challenge is ours. i think the future can be bright, but the work has to be done by all of us. thank you. >> good morning, and thanks to all of you for your presence here today, that's reporters as well as the folks who stand behind me. i think it shows that we care about charlotte and our community and that we're going to do all the necessary things to get this right. on behalf of the members of the charlotte-mecklenburg community, i offer condolences to the scott family and to the officer -- 16 officers who were injured last night. as a community, we in charlotte-mecklenburg have always worked tirelessly to address concerns around police and community relations. we have encouraged our citizens

to exchange stories and diverse perspectives to foster growth and healing during difficult times like we're going through just right now. as our community continues to respond to this most recent incident, we suggest bringing together houses of faith, community organizations and organizers, millennials, local police, many others to ensure that we are engaging in productive dialogue. we must all continue the work that we've started to make charlotte a community that honors us all with respect, dignity, and appreciation. in the past, as the mayor has indicated, we have always found ways to work peacefully through our differences and we believe that we will continue our legacy of solving our problems together. it is how we do things here in charlotte-mecklenburg. thank you. >> that was willie rashburn.

forgot to say his name with the community relations committee, the city's community relations committee. so we understand that there may be continuing protests this evening, and i want to emphasize that i have spoken with many community and faith leaders already and we are calling for peace, we are calling for calm, we are calling for dialogue. i've also been in touch with the white house. the governor and i spoke this morning. i've been in touch with some of our state leaders, our county leaders, our school board, other local leaders and i want to thank all of them for being part of the collaboration that will help our community move forward m a peaceful manner. i am confident in charlotte's strong police and community

relations. there are so many good folk in this community who have been working so hard to keep that dialogue productive and to keep that dialogue open. we will continue to support that process. i want to emphasize also we will continue to be thorough and transparent in releasing information -- accurate information as soon as it is available. we want to dispel any misinformation that may be circulating. again, we are a collaborative community. we are a community that knows that we rise or fall together. i am asking all of our charlotte community to stand together to help give us a time to get the right information and then to continue dialogue going forward at how we continue to be a peaceful community where

opportunity is open to everyone. and now i will ask the chief and our community relations, willie rashford to join me if there are any questions. >> body camera? any body camera, dash cam being released at any point? >> right now as you know, it's part of the criminal investigation and we're still going through all the footage from both body worn and dash, but until the investigation is complete, it's a part of the investigation and can't be released at this point. >> have you seen it? >> one at a time. please raise your hand. >> have you seen the video? >> i have not seen all of the video. i have seen some of the video. there are a lot of officers who have responded and we haven't had an opportunity to get through all of that video at this point. >> a couple of things. >> the next. jim. hang on. we're going to go to you next. jim. >> i've heard some people in the african-american community,

people who simply don't take it as gospel that there was a gun, they're not trustful that there's the truth. is there something you can do? is there a picture or something you can provide today that might aleve that concern [ inaudible ] >> again, i wish there were -- there was an opportunity to show property receipts to show exactly what was seized. i can tell you a weapon was seized, a handgun. i can also tell you we did not find a book that has been made reference to. i can just tell you what i know based on what we gathered through the scientific process of going through the evidence, and we did find a weapon and the weapon was there and the witnesses corroborated, too, beyond just the officers. >> is there any potential that any body camera, dash camera [ inaudible ]. >> as i said, it's part of the

investigative process. right now it's evidence. you know the law as well as i do. right now we can't release it. it would have a negative impact on the integrity of the case and that's something that we're not going to do. >> i have a question here. >> chief, was officer vincent under cover? how long has he been on the force? does he have any disciplinary or any background? >> i can't speak to the discipline because of personnel laws, but how long he's been on the force. he came on in 2014. he was plain clothes with a vest carrier that we wear that has the big logo and police and cmpd on the front and back and we had at least three officers who were there in full uniform when we engaged the subject at the scene. >> chief, was there body -- chief, as we saw in tulsa, oklahoma, [ inaudible ]. police release video there, not

only dash cam but aerial video. can you explain is it a difference in state law? is it a difference in police chiefs? why would you not be transparent and want to release that today? >> the law is pretty specific, especially around criminal evidence for an investigation, and i cannot release that. and your other -- the other part of your question was? >> that was the question. >> okay. >> i'm just wondering about -- >> state law. >> when you see that story they released it almost immediately. >> the transparency comes in with our current legislation and the bereaved party, they believe they've been wronged, they can have access. in a criminal investigation, that supersedes everything else within that investigation. >> chief, was officer vin september himself wearing a body camera? >> no. officer vincent was not wearing

a body camera as i recall. >> so just the uniformed officers there? >> yes, just the uniformed officers who were there. >> one last follow-up? >> yes, sir. >> can you see from the uniformed officers' cameras what did happen? >> i -- what the -- the videos that i've reviewed, i cannot see in totality everything that occurred. >> question right here. >> [ inaudible ]. >> i do not know exactly the time frame, but it was pretty quick -- >> within seconds? >> yes, ma'am. matter of seconds. it was pretty quick secession that it all unfolded. >> one more question. >> chief, you talked about 16 officers injured, the damage that followed. one arrest. do you anticipate more? >> i absolutely do. we're following every lead we have.

there's a lot of footage that we're reviewing. our intent is to bring everybody to justice who violated the law. yes, sir. >> question. >> follow-up, tonight and as much as you're talking about what your plans are? >> my plans are to have our people ready. we are. my plans are to be staffed appropriately. we will be. hopefully we'll have peaceful protests and we'll do things the charlotte way. >> question here. >> two questions. did he have a gun in his hands the second time he came out of the car? did he say whether the gun was loaded? >> he did have a weapon when he exited the vehicle. i am not aware whether or not it was loaded, sir. again, this is very early in the investigation and i'll get -- i get briefed every day. i haven't had an in depth briefing yet. >> so he came out of the car twice? >> yes, sir. >> both times he had a gun? >> no, sir. they saw the weapon in his hand the second time he exited. >> the second time? >> yes. >> question. >> at any point did the individual raise his weapon?

>> that i do not nose definitively. that is a part of the statements that we still have yet to get, but at this point i don't know that he definitively pointed the weapon specifically towards the officer. >> this is the follow-up. >> yes, sir. >> in the event he did not raise the weapon [ inaudible ]. would an officer be justified to fire even if the individual was not pointing the weapon at the officer? >> very good question. the totality of the situation is what carries the day. so if one's making gestures, if i'm focusing in, if i'm turning my body in a certain way to look aggressive and to give you the understanding that an imminent threat is very, very likely, and i'm armed, all of those things in conjunction with one another can still give you that perceived threat under north carolina law. >> question right next to him.

>> yeah. chief, can you tell me what your conversations were with officer vincent? >> can i tell you? yes. that's personal between me and him. he's okay. it's a tragic event. heart goes out to the scott family for their loss. >> question right here. >> chief, do you know if the subject is lie acceptsed to carry a weapon? >> i do not know, sir. those are details we have yet to uncover. this is the very first day that we're really getting to delve into a lot of those issues and we couldn't have all the facts at this point. >> jim? >> mayor, [ inaudible ]. >> absolutely. and i also want to thank many members of the city council who

are here with me, including mayor pro tem. our city council members and the district and their areas are reaching out to their faith leaders. i spoke to several ministers this morning. i've spoken to the naacp leadership, and we absolutely want their assistance. we want their help as we continue to have dialogue. again, i think the local community, the charlotte community has mechanism in place for that constructive dialogue. we all see this as a tragedy. we all want to work toward peaceful peaceful community. we know that we have work to do. and our concern is that some of that agitation may come from folks who aren't living in charlotte and we want to again call on our local leaders to make sure our local community has that message that we want to resolve this peacefully, we want to work together, we see a

better outcome. and we have confidence in the good folks here in charlotte, the care about that positive outcome. those are all in process. groups planning something. haven't determined when where. again, our district folks, they're going to be in contact with their constituents and again try and help us get correct information out and continue the dialogue we know is absolutely needed. >> just a few more questions right here. >> chief, troopers on the ground, as far as retaliation, social media threats, things like that? what have you told officers today? >> i told them be vigilant, be

professional and do the job that they've been trained to do and that they're committed to doing. i told them uphold their oath. >> right here in front. >> do you have the numbers from last night, how many officers you had out there? and how much tear gas was deployed? >> the extent of injuries vary but they are all minor enough that they would be released. that's about as detailed as i can tell you. one was month more severe than the rest of them. >> do you have any of the other numbers? how many officers were out there? >> no, i do not have those numbers yet because we were pulling from a lot of different regions. we'll have to review and see if we can get that number nailed down for you -- i'm sorry? we have enhanced our staffing and that's about as detailed as i want to be around those

decisions we make. >> two more questions. right here. [ inaudible ] >> strategically, we're going to be prepared. conversations for every and other resource we might need to bring to bear. we're hoping for the best and preparing for the worst. >> one final question. >> question for the mayor. [ inaudible ] -- the attorney general loretta lynch a short time ago in washington said she's aware of and assessing what happened. i want to hear if you think the justice department should be more involved in some way in the investigation -- >> well, as i mentioned earlier, i have been in touch with the white house. there are people across the country watching what's going on and it is early in our information gathering.

we're not ruling anything out in terms of resources we may need. at this point, it's too early for me to give anything definitive about the department of justice, about involvement of other resources. we are absolutely, as we said, going to continue facts, be as transparent and as thorough as we are in charlotte, as we have been in the past and we will continue that conversation. >> thank you all very much, thank you for coming out. >> a tragic situation in charlotte. joining me is attorney and radio host mo ivory. you were here listening in with me. we know there was four officers, three in uniform, one without. they asked him to get out of the cart. he had a gun. he's allowed to have a gun in the state of north carolina. he didn't lower it. the police felt it was an imminent threat and they took the shot. >> sure, and i don't thing -- first i want to say prayers out to another family, the scott

family. you know, that press conference is the police side of what happened and it always -- we always get that press conference with the community leader, the mayor and the police chief. we really don't get any answers from it. i think what he said -- >> it was less than 24 hours ago. >> yes, i want to give them credit for come quickly and doing the press conference. there's a lot of stress that everybody feels because of these police shootings. i don't really think there were any real answers that came from that press conference. i would like to see the video. there are people on the street that said things went very differently. so there's always two sides to the story. we have to hear both sides before we can say that is what happened. one thing that struck me is when the police chief was asked the question was he pointing the gun at the police. and he said he couldn't -- he did not think so or he wasn't -- he had to go back and really answer that. that's a real problem for me. because, again, this whole idea of imminent threat, it's so subjective. what does it mean.

who felt threatened. why did they feel threatened. was it because he was a big black man. i mean, there's just so many unknowns. this is another incident, another death. but there's such a huger problem. we know we have a huge problem in this country with police violence. and the way it is targeted at the black community and more specifically at black men. i just got off the phone yesterday with sandra blan's mother and she said, you know, mo, i'm still grieving my daughter's death but i watch this every single week happen. people don't realize how this affects real families, real communities, and so we're dealing with tulsa and we're dealing with charlotte and we'll wake up tomorrow and we'll have another one. >> given these tensions, how does a city like charlotte prevent more protests until we get more information? as the police said, they seized the gun. open carry state, he could have a gun. but they didn't find a book. his family said he didn't have a gun, he had a book. until we know more information,

how do they keep this city calm and safe? >> it's very hard because people don't know what to do with their anger. they have rightful anger. their anger is justified. i'm not saying that -- it's never good to be violent. it's never good to have more encounters with the police. so absolutely everybody should calm. they should not -- they should protest peacefully. that's what everybody wants to happen. but i understand the anger. i understand the anger. where do you expect people to put this anger? >> are you worried that tulsa is going to get violent? violence gets attention. there were protests in tulsa last night but they were peaceful. we saw the shooting took place in tulsa. we got the video from police. he did have his hands in the air. his hands turned to the police officers. are you concerned the heat is going to get turned up in a town like that? >> the media follows the hot stories and hot story is not

peaceful, discussing things. the hot stories are the ones where things are being thrown and police are lined up so sure, i think when people want to gain attention to an issue in the community, they do things to gain the attention. i certainly hope nothing happened in tulsa. i feel stressed out. you know what, i feel stressed out. i can imagine how the victims families and people who live in the community feel. i understand it. >> how should they be responding to this? donald trump has been saying this is the worst time in america for the black community. it's a terrible time but there has been much worst times, let's look at history. >> let me clearly say, there's only been one presidential candidate who has at all addressed criminal justice refor. has addressed and gathered a

community together to talk about these problems. donald trump has done nothing to discuss police violence except have these, you know, opportunities where he sits with people who have absolutely no significance in the community for change. i hope that if hillary clinton becomes our president, i hope that she does, i hope the things she's been working towards with the mothers of the movement, with working inside the community, with church leaders, will turn to some criminal justice reform. it's got to. somebody has got to do something. >> mo, thank you so much for joining me this morning. we're going to be following this throughout the day and taking you to donald trump who's speaking in ohio. i will be back in ohio tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. where i'll share with you an msnbc exclusive. i sit down with donald rumsfeld. coming up right now, more news with my colleague craig melvin.

>> we start with that breaking news on more unrest in a major american city. >> -- stopping traffic, they've got the entire intersection blocked. we need units out here quick. >> overnight, protests, sometimes violent, in charlotte, north carolina. 16 officers hurt. tear gas, fires, looting. >> why do you have a gas mask? i don't have a gas mask. >> police searching for someone who had an outstanding warrant say they shot and killed another man, keith lamont scott, because he'd drawn a weapon. his family insists he was unarmed and had a book, not a gun. >> he didn't have no gun. he wasn't messing with nobody. they jumped out their truck. they said hands up. he got a gun, he got a gun. pow, pow, pow, pow. >> just a few moments ago, the police chief pushed back on claims about that.

>> a weapon was seized. a handgun. i can also tell you we did not find a book. >> just a few minutes, we are expecting to hear from scott's family in charlotte, north carolina. when that news conference happens, we will of course bring it to you live on msnbc. let's start with what's happening on the ground. we turn to a man