returns that would probably clear up a lot of that. thank you so much. that's going to wrap up this hour. tamron hall joins me now. >> thank you very much. i'm coming to you live from msnbc news headquarters in new york. we'll get you updated on the rally for donald trump. the breaking news out of charlotte, north carolina. supporters and the family of keith lamont scott, an african-american shot and killed in an encounter with police yesterday, they are holding a news conference right now. one supporter saying, quote, we are fed up. another calling for a million man march this evening at 7:00 p.m. the shooting prompted angry protests overnight. demonstrators clashing with police wearing riot gear. police using tear gas to disperse those protesters. that's the scene from last night. all of this started around 4:00 p.m. yesterday.

that's when police say 40-year-old keith lamont scott, they claim he was armed and threatening at an apartment complex where they'd gone to serve a warrant on someone else. the family insists mr. scott was carrying nothing more than a book as he waited for a school bus to drop off his son. here's what the police chief told the press at a news conference just in the past hour. >> he exited the vehicle armed with a handgun. the officer observed him get back into the vehicle. at which time they approached the vehicle to engage the subject. officers gave loud clear verbal commands which were also heard byp of the witnesses. they were instructing the subject once he got out of the vehicle to drop the weapon. mr. scott exited his vehicle

armed with a handgun as the officers continue to yell at him to drop it. he stepped out posing a threat to the officers and officer brently vinson fired his weapon striking the subject. i can tell you a weapon was seized, a handgun. i can also tell you we did not find a book. >> a woman identified as a family member of keith lamont scott tells a different account of events. >> he didn't have no gun. help wasn't messing with nobody. they jump out they truck. they said hands up. he got a gun. he got a gun. pow pow pow pow. >> now live from charlotte north carolina with the very latest on this investigation. we've heard obviously this account from the family members. police clearly tell a different story. we should note in this, at least one of off thor ises is african-american police officer,

is that correct, charles? >> that is correct, the officer who killed mr. scott is also black. this happened just down the street here at 4:00 yesterday afternoon. a warrant task force had gone in looking for one man but somehow mr. scott got their attention. he was sitting in his car waiting on his son to be dropped off from school. but he got out of the car holding a handgun and that got police attention. they converged on him. one was a plain clothed officer with police on his chest. that was mr. vinson. they gave mr. scott commands to drop the weapon. help got back in his car and then for unknown reasons got back out, still holding the gun. now, this is all corroborated, according to police, by witnesses who saw the gun and heard the police loud and clear giving mr. scott orders to drop the weapon. but the police took that as a perceived threat and he was

shot. now, that -- you would think all this is on video, but the officer in plainclothes, mr. vinson, was not wearing a body cam. but the other officers were. the police chief says the other video is not -- does not show the entire scene. does not show the entire event as it took place. so that's where it stands right now. and police will not be reeb leasing that video because it is still evidence under north carolina law. >> so for clarification here, the officer who fired the fatal shot, was he in plainclothes or was he uniformed officer? >> he was in plainclothes but he had a vest on according to the chief that said police. and there were three other uniform officers with him. >> according to police, officers were there to serve a warrant on someone else. have they indicated why they ended up in this incident with mr. scott? what about him drew their attention when they were there for a completely nother issue?

>> that's what we don't know, tam ron. other than the police saw hip get out of the car with the gun and that's when they focused their attention on mr. scott. so that's what we don't know is what was going on just before that. what made lamont scott get out of the car with a gun. >> according to police. all right, charles, thank you very much. greatly appreciate it. now to politics. a controversial moment just last hour during a donald trump event at a predominantly african-american church in toledo, ohio, bsh a group of ministers, and some of the congregation of that church. boxing promoter don king, friend of donald trump, addressing the crowd within the church, repeatedly talking about black voters, describing them as negros, and then at some point, the language changed. here's a bit of what happened. >> i told michael jackson, i

said, if you poor, you a poor negro. i would use the "n" word. but if you rich, you are a rich negro. if you are intelligent, intellectual, you're an intellectual negro. if you're dancing and sliding and gliding [ bleep ] i mean negro, you're a dancing and sliding and gliding negro. so alienate because you cannot assimilate. so, you know, you going to be a negro till you die. >> nbc's jacob rascon joins us from toledo. in the audience, you hear some laughter, donald trump is sitting there with his arms folded. it all plays out awkward. i've been to that church to interview reverend scott. he's been on our show before. what are we to make of what happened here?

don king, according to reports, was supposed to speak at the rnc per donald trump's request. reince priebus says this was a person convicted of murder, later pardoned, but nevertheless, they did not want him to speak at the rnc. >> right, that is what happened. right now, this is happening a couple hours away in cleveland. this is at what the pastor there has called a leadership conference with different pastors around the state. and he said what he said there, introducing him, appeared by accident, said that word. also notably, i would say, just now, just in the last few minutes, according to the pool reports from what's going on inside that church, trump actually spoke at length about what's happening in charlotte. and also in tulsa as well. and he mentioned, he said a couple of things. help said we have to be very careful. it appears, he said, as far as what happened in oklahoma, that the person was doing everything that the officer asked him to do, and that he was very troubled by it.

this is interesting that he would be talking about it in this way, that we haven't heard him talk about it. he did send a couple of tweets earlier today. that's what we know right now about what's happening inside of that church, tamara. >> which is interesting, jacob, and we'll talk more about it. also to your point, donald trump, and this may be the first public comments he's made on these recent shootings involving african-americans. he went on to say about this woman, this police officer, who fired the shots in tulsa, said that maybe she went into, quote, shock, and that people like that should not be police officers. the audience stood up and gave aplus for that. you could hear don king chanting in the background the next president. donald trump has always touted his support with police unions. i'm curious to see how this comment from donald trump plays out with him. we know the rnc was heavily stacked with police officers and those who made this line that

you could not support police and still be outraged by some of the things that have happened within minority communities. >> sure, it will be interesting to see the other side. for the last month or so, trump has been consistently reaching out to the african-american community and one wondered when he was going to address this issue. of course, at 1% in the polls at the time when he started, the only way for him to go was up. and many said he's trying to as well reach out to his base who don't want to be labeled as racist and be categorized with trump as far as from his critics. so we've been waiting to see how he would address this specifically, if he ever would. >> yes. >> and how it would seem to contradict or whether it would with his support and his words about police unions and such. so we'll see the response there. >> lastly, i've got to ask about this "washington post" report. we've been talking about it now for more than 24 hours. it alleged that donald trump used money from the charity,

from the foundation, to pay off legal fees. the trump campaign now saying that the article, the report has discrepancies or information that is not accurate but they've yet to correct it, they've yet to call for a correction of specific things. >> right, this is interesting, because the response from the trump campaign is very strongly worded. but it doesn't include any specific examples of misrepresented facts or omissions as the statement says. of course we're talking about this report that says his charitable foundation, the trump foundation, was settling legal suits with money, which is something that is against u.s. tax law. something that would be troubling. i've talked to many supporters out here. just asked, does that trouble you, that report, if true. and they said, look, he was giving to charities and if he -- even if the reports are true, they pale in comparison to what

clinton does, that's the response they're giving. >> all right, i should make a corruption, donald trump said the officer in tulsa may have choked and that is what happened. i used the word shocked, he said choked. thank you very much. let me bring in nbc's alex sites wall. he's been covering the clinton complain. hillary clinton is in florida today. she reacted yesterday very passionately about this shooting in tulsa as well. and this is obviously something she seemed quite emotional about to be honest with you yesterday. >> absolutely. hillary clinton was one of the first major politicians to use the words black lives matter. i remember seeing her just close to here in new york in december of 2014 using those words in the speech. she met with black lives matter activists in 2015. she kind of saw this coming, that it was going to be a major issue. of course for a democrat, you know, african-american vote is a major piece of her coalition. she's trying to lock that in now. as donald trump is making a kind

of last-minute push for, you know, to make inroads in this community. but this is, you know, she's put up policies on. she has not talked about it a lot. we haven't had as many of these police shootings in the news so i think she's interested in trying to reclaim her leadership on this issue. >> that's the tweet, she said this should be intolerable. we have month work to do. it will be interesting to see if this is brought up at the debate right around the corner. i want to talk about the strategy in florida. she's five points ahead, according to at least the latest poll we're looking at there. what's the focus of her campaign today? >> she's laying out this speech, they're calling the stronger together speeches. she spent so much time talking about donald trump and why she thinks donald trump is not fit to be president. in the series of speeches, she's talking about more of her own policy. her own vision. which has been a little bit lost i think throughout the fray. that's something i hear from aides she'll talk about in the debate. for people just tuning into to

election for the first time who have not been paying attention. and we're going to see more of her own policy ideas. >> interesting they're some who noted she's not gone after even on social media, not gone after donald trump and these "washington post" investigations on his foundation. one theory was that it would bring attention back to the clinton foundation. the other simply could be she is tired of pointing out everything about him and wants to talk about, again, what she has to offer in these last 48 days. >> yes, this has been one of the interesting debates happening outside the hillary clinton campaign among the democratic party. was she too negative? was she too focused on going negative? maybe his negative numbers reached a maximum peak. i think the clinton campaign, they feel his foundation story has turned around and they now think the trump foundation is a bigger liability for him than the clinton foundation is for her. we're seeing the clinton foundation kind of winding down. just this week, they held the final clinton global initiative, that's this big glitzy con fab

they have every year. they're spinning off various parts of the program. >> the staff layoffs, that's something new. >> right, politico reported that dozens of staffers from cgi which just happened were told they're going to be laid off. they'll have jobs until the end the year but it's unclear beyond that. this is just one piece of that foundation. it's always been the most controversial piece because it brings together big corporate leaders, foreign leaders. but there's also this huge health care issue which we learned bill clinton will be stepping down from. chelsea clinton is staying on the board of the main foundation so there's still questions to be answered there. >> joining me now, new york congressman joe crowley. thank you for your type. let's talk about the debates a few days away. is this as make or break as people have made it? >> well, i think these debates are the highly watched. a lot of focus on them. as they rightfully should be. i think it's an opportunity for both candidates to talk to the american people, tell them about

their vision for the country. i think it's going to be a really great opportunity for secretary clinton to really demonstrate why she is the most qualified person to be the next president of the united states and why donald trump isn't. >> you are a new yorker. you know the new york style that donald trump has used in other debates and even in his press be tation. alex made the point that the clinton campaign is focused on not trying to bring up his negatives, that maybe they're at the peak of where it will be and focus more on her. does she do that on the debate stage if donald trump tried to slam the clinton foundation? does she, you know, go low or keep trying to go high? >> i think she should continue to strich fve for high. i think the american people are positive people. they want to see the vision of hillary clinton, where she wants to take the country. we know donald trump is going to be low blow. that's his game. he's a labeler. calling marco rubio little marco

or calling lying ted. that's what he does. he's a master labeler. i think she should stay away from that. >> if he accuses her of starting the birther lies about president obama, does she flat-out call him a liar? >> i think she calls him what it is, a con man, con man don. i think that's something he's very sensitive to. he doesn't want anyone attacking his persona. i think the american people are smart. they know he is responsible for starting the birther movement or at least continuing it and not believing the truth. and to try and label it is simply going absolutely nowhere. >> congressman, we greatly appreciate it. coming up, we'll have the latest on the deadly police shooting in tulsa, oklahoma. i'll speak with the victim's twin sister. we'll be right back. my man. making simple, sma cash back choices... with quicksilver from capital one. you're earning unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase, everywhere.

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turning now to the other big story we're following. the developments in the deadly police shooting of an up armed black man in tulsa, oklahoma. outrage spreading across the country. protesters, celebrities, people on social media, all speaking out, after the shooting of terrence crutcher who had his hands up before he was shot by police. and now for the first time we are hearing the officer's version of what happened. nbc's janet shamlian has more of that. >> reporter: protests in tulsa as a wave of outrage grows this morning over the death of tearance crutcher. >> why is he being treated like a criminal when he's done nothing wrong? >> reporter: video stirring anger. from the campaign trail, where hillary clinton tweeted this should be intolerable. and basketball player dwyane wade posting, we must show our strength as a black community

more. >> shots fired. >> reporter: crutcher was tasered by one officer, then shot by another. for more than two minutes, no one goes to check on him. he died later at the hospital. >> just pure devastation. >> reporter: his twin sister, tiffany. >> the excessive force and all of that, it's just uncalled for when someone's hands are up and that's what happened. >> reporter: this morning, officer betty shelby's side of the story from her attorney. >> and she became concerned about him reaching for his left pocket, despite being commanded not to. >> reporter: according to a report in the tulsa world, citing the lead investigator on the case, a vial of has louis genic pcp found in the vehicle. >> this was an unjustified killing. the position of the family is resolute on this matter. >> reporter: nbc news, tulsa.

>> and joining me now is terrence crutcher's twin sister dr. tiffany crutcher and her attorneys benjamin crump and mr. simmons. thank you for joining us. dr. crutcher, let me start with -- i want to play in part -- i know it is -- first of all, my thoughts and prayers are with you. >> thank you so much. >> i do want to play a little bit of the actual video from when your brother was shot. i know it's difficult for you to watch. there's part of this that's drawing great concern. let me play that. the police helicopter over him. >> that looks like a bad dude, too. to be honest with you. >> that looks like a bad dude, too. your brother was unarmed. his hands were high. what do you hear when you hear that comment? >> you know, i'm angry, you know. i've dealt with a whirlwind of emotions over the last few days.

pain, hurt, confusion. but when i hear that comment, i get angry because an officer of the law who's paid to protect and serve prejudged my brother, prejudged him, he didn't have a chance to live. and it's just not right. and i have friends,p friends, who where the blue, who wear the badge, who reached out and said that's not a representation of us at all. and we stand with you. but i'm just angry. >> the officer's attorney says she was concerned about him reaching for his left pocket. your response to that based on what we've seen in that video, which did not show that? >> you know, the video is so clear cut. his hands was in the air. the window -- >> the window was up. he was unarmed. he was moving slow.

he was not a threat. he was not a fleeing felon. they had helicopters. multiple cops. they treated him like he was the new york bomber. and the new york bomber is alive right now. he's alive but my brother is dead. who didn't commit a crime. that bad dude was in school. that bad dude is a father. now, my heartaches for my nieces and nephew. my nephew, just two days ago, was looking for his daddy. where's daddy. >> you make the comparison with the new york bomber. many people have made this, saying the bomber who was arrested yesterday had a weapon, he was firing on police, and yet deadly force was not used in that incident. but with your brother who was unarmed that is what you're pointing out here. >> absolutely. absolutely. and not only that, after he was tazed, after he was shot, he laid there. no one -- i'm talking about officers who are supposed to

protect and serve, no one went to check on my brother. he laid there. for at least two minutes. bleeding. they didn't check to see if they could preserve his life. they didn't check for a pulse. then i just heard that he later died at the hospital. that's not true. he died there on the scene, left for dead. and you can't tell me that people with hearts, they can't feel our pain. >> attorney trump obviously authorities have said there's a vial of pcp. the toxicology has not come back. the first time i heard that, i thought of a case that you became part of our household conversation on this, trayvon. became about did he have marijuana in his system. it seems that all of these -- there's a deeper background check into whether mr. crutcher had a criminal past or whether he had drugs as opposed to this officer whose concern was enough to result in deadly force.

>> when you look at that video, you don't have to go any further. anybody who tries to bring anything else besides what we see in that video with our own eyes are trying to blame the victim and say terrence crutcher was the cause for his own death when there's no threat there to allow her to use excessive lethal force. they had three other officers there that did not shoot. so we know with our own eyes this was an unjustified killing. >> when you hear though the attorney say she was concerned, he didn't say she was afraid for her life or she felt her life was in danger. and when you're a police officer, i imagine every day you walk out concerned. that is a part of the job. but does lethal force -- is that a response to concern? >> you hit the point there because that is part of a bigger pattern in all of america.

jonathan ferrell in charlotte who broke down needed help, the police shot and killed him. corey jones, on the side of the street in palm beach, florida, broke down, they shot him. what he needed was a helping hand and they gave him a bullet in the lungings. and that's not what anybody says a police officer's supposed to do when you're in distress. what is it about these men of color who needed help as any other american citizen get treated like a criminal and a suspect. >> what then happened next with this investigation and the legal process? >> well, first of all, we want to make sure terrence is not vilified as the police told me the first time i met with the police chief, that nothing -- terrence did not cause this. >> that is what the police chief said to you. >> to me and the mayor that terrence did not cause this. the police -- terrence was not a suspect of any crime. the police had no idea who terrence was. and anything that terrence did did not cause him to be shot.

as we see the video, it's very, very clear. the video clearly shows he had no weapon. his hands is in the air. he's not moving quickly. he's not causing any danger to officers. what we want to see next is obviously appropriate charges. and a vigorous prosecution of this case. we want to make sure this family, particularly these four kids, are not part of a prolonged litigation. >> the officer involved in this, officer shelby's attorney said she is upset over the incident, she knows somebody that has been lost, you've lost a family member. she feelings badly for the situation. but she did it in this interview she said she was afraid for her life, later, is what her attorney is saying. with that said, what's been taken from your family? >> my twin brother. we were born three minutes apart. we just celebrated our 40th birthday a month ago, august

16th. and one of our last extensive conversations was talking about our next 40 years and our goals and our dreams and our aspirations. and he told me that, hey, i'm getting ready to start school this fall, music appreciation. he loved to sing. he loved gospel music. he was excited. he told me and i have the text message that i'll keep forever that god is going to get the glory out of my life and i'm going to make you all proud. and now we'll never get that chance. we'll never get that chance. but i do believe that good will come out of this. good will come out of this. and i believe that eyes are being opened. i have so much support coming in from all around the world. people with different backgrounds. different cultures. different ethnic groups. different races. saying how much they support us. they stand with us. it was senseless.

and so i hope that his life won't be in vein and that the chain breaks here with this case. and that this will never happen again. and then you have charlotte that just took place the next day. but something has to happen. i'm just calling on the leadership. the leadership of tulsa, oklahoma, to do what's right. and the national leadership. to revamp systems. protocol. whatever we have to do. trainings. we need those systems in place. because obviously there's an issue that needs to be resolved. and that's what i'm praying for it and right now my number one concern is that officer shelby be prosecuted at the highest extent of the law. they should be held to the same standards as you or i. if, you know, a crime is committed and that's all we want. we want justice.

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nemecklenburg mecklenburg. thank you for joining us. at this point, how are you judging or measuring this investigation? the amount of information that's being released to you and the public? >> very little information being released to us. which is a concern for me clearly. we bleach in transparency. i think it's important that the police aloup us to know what's going on. what you may not know is under the law there are some restrictions for the police department in terms of releasing information. we still would prefer for the citizens to know exactly what's going on. >> authorities say that mr. scott was armed. his family members say that he had a book. police say they did not recover a book. that they recovered a gun.

what we know to be a fact i guess if you will that the officer who shot mr. scott was not wearing a body camera. the uniformed officer there, they were wearing body cameras. clear clearly this could help in the investigation. it could provide more detail. >> this is true. i want to be very clear about something. whether or not mr. scott had a book is not the issue. the issue is mr. scott is dead. there have been quite a few incidents where our white correspondent parts had guns. the police officers escalated the problem. allowed to go home safely with their families. his family is suffering. they are in pain. they are in mourning. so when i hear as the first line

of defense, oh, he had a gun? that's disturbing for me. it's demonizing the victim. i'm asking for not only the city, not only the police department. but all of media to really look at that. how african-americans are treated when we are the victims and many times we are deceased. >> let me ask you, last night, we had protests, tear gas dispersed. are you concerned if police don't provide more information and try to -- transparency that you and others are calling for, that we could see another night like last night? >> that's possible. the fact remains that african-americans are still angry. and will continue to be angry until we get justice. we haven't received justice. we haven't had one police officer held accountable for the killing of an african-american in this country of late. we really are sick and tired of

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technicality. same thing, doj. this is the fundamental problem. the reason you have communities that are unedge, because there's a belief that there is no justice. maryland mossby got criticized because she charged the officers. by her charging the officers, actually camped the community down. because the community -- across the country officers are getting away with murder and then it becomes well they didn't commit a criminal act, it was a violation of police procedures. but somebody's dead. >> and so here we are waking up again to images in charlotte people acting out that anger. protesting. and i go back to, again, alton sterling, those cases have not been resolved, and it goes back to the feeling of there's never a confusion. dallas happened. officers as a result of that.

>> if there's a conclusion 99% of the time it's no charges. i mean, not even a trial. at least in the case of jonathan ferrell in that particular case, the first grand jury came back, you know, no indictment and then the d.a. recused himself, went to the a.g., got indictment, went to trial, okay. then you of course have the case of last year in oklahoma. robert baits. reserve officer. he says i meant to pull out my taser. sounds very similar. he was convicted of manslaughter, sentenced to four years in prison, which is extremely rare. >> there are always people who try to make everything divided down racial lines. not since then in large numbers have i seen equal outrage in large numbers until we saw this video that happened in tulsa. even donald trump now is saying the officer may have choked. we know these cases happen and a large majority, and i will say

it, a large majority of white commentators will bring up the issue of compliance. if you just had put your hands up, this would not have happened. or this only happens when you don't listen. now, donald trump is saying, shock, how many will follow him and beinga and acknowledge this is not race. >> the way the law is stacked, it is stacked greatly in favor of law enforcement. remember sandra blan. officer tells her put the cigarette out. she says i don't have to, i can smoke in my car. ma'am, get out of the car. he knew the moment he gave a lawful command, the law was on his side, he could arrest her for saying no. that's why we saw the video, he was in the car and he was going over the statute. that's part of the problem here. you have to also change the laws to -- when the communities are all upset. >> we know flint did not come up in the republican debate. does this company up with monday

with both of those candidates vying for the black vote? >> has to. has to bring this up and ask him the question, what are you going to do to change this as opposed to say it's just sad, unfortunate? >> thank you very much, roland martin, greatly appreciate it. coming up, i'll talk with senator bob corker. donald trump is a phony, a fraud. he's not a serious adult. i can't vote for donald trump given the things that he said. trump should not be supported. i believe he's disqualified himself to be president. i just cannot support donald trump. let's just get a sandwich or somng.ay, "or mething"? you don't just graduate from medical school, "or something." and we don't just pull smoked chicken, bake fresh foccacia and hand-slice avocado. there's nothing "or something" about it.

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a media partner for the concert in central park. i will be hosting with willie geist. my next guest was part of the host committee last year. he's participating this year as well. senator bob corker of tennessee, chairman of the senate foreign relations committee. thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> you have received praise in the past. one article said you spoke eloquently about this global outreach to ensure that we provide food to starving children around the country and that's part of the initiative. >> you know we have limited dollars here, we know that. what we strive to do is reform our delivery program. so we are reaching more people. our food aid reform which chris kuhns and i worked on and were successful in getting that across the floor enables us to feed more people. we are still antiquated. the agriculture community and

just the maritime committee could be so much more efficient. we could serve and feed four to six million people more each year. we have helped with clean water. we passed something this year, electrify africa, to help 50 million people in sub sahara africa to have electricity that have never had it. these are the initiatives republicans and democrats ought to join together in. it enables us with the same amount of dollars to serve even more people. we have a lot of work to do. i appreciate what you are doing to support the initiative. >> absolutely. you talk about the global outreach. the u.s. is the leader when it comes to this. but you will always have people who say, including the republican candidate, the nominee who says, you know, we need to focus on america. sometimes other countries have to handle their own problems. how do you make the case to those who believe we can't look at both? >> well, we spend about 1% of

our budget on foreign aid. most americans don't realize that it's such a small number. all you have to do is listen to our military leaders who say that 1% we spend is something that we utilize to keep our men and women in uniform from having to go conflict. again, we need to make sure we do the best job we can at serving the most people with the dollars we have. i think it is a good investment and something we should continue to support. >> senator, as you know to participate in global citizens you have to volunteer, you have to do something for others. i will make a hard turn. i know our focus was global citizens but i want to focus on new allegations from the donald trump foundation which was supposed to be set up to help others potentially in some of the programs you have mentioned. there are now reports from the washington post that donald trump's foundation spent $258,000 of other people's money donated to the foundation to settle lawsuits that involved

trump's for-profit businesses. you know the allegations. this comes after trump's foundation was found to have made an improper $25,000 donation to a group supporting attorney general pam bondi. here we are talking about charity foundations. specifically, can you give me your take on if the allegations are true that donald trump's foundation or trump used $258,000 to settle foundation money. what do you believe should happen? should his foundation be investigated? >> so, you know, we have so many issues here. i get these questions in the hallway nonstop when i get the vote, when i leave a committee hearing. gaggles of people who are covering the political races that are occurring. look, if i spent time trying to be the referee between the campaigns over the foundation on the clinton side, the foundation on the trump side, i couldn't get the things you and i were talking about earlier done.

>> we're talking about charity and help. that's part of the global citizens foundation. people building foundations, building charities. i don't want you to call strikes or balls here. as a member of congress, as someone on a short list to be the vice president, running mate potentially, if the allegations are true are we at a point where the donald trump foundation if they used nearly $300,000 to settle lawsuits for his for-profit businesses do we need an investigation here? i think that's a yes or no. >> it really isn't. in the hallway each day people ask me about things that occurred. a lot of times i find out after the fact that nothing even happened. so, again, i understand your desire to cover this. my job here is to do what we talked about on the front end. that is to put great u.s. policy out and make sure we solve problems we have here. i will let you and others -- that's outside of congressional

jurisdiction. again, there are challenges put on both sides. for me, being a referee on these things is just not the appropriate roll for me or mention to play. thank you. >> you have been outspoken. i have seen two interviews with "morning joe" where you clearly do not want to answer questions about donald trump. >> well, i answer questions about things that i know about. again, when things are thrown out that, you know, i have no knowledge of. >> we'll have to have you back on and maybe talk to you more substantively post debate. i will put the invitation on e-mail for you and send it out. >> thank you. >> we are supporting global citizens festival. we'll be right back. ♪ when is your flu shot more than a flu shot?

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