that the protesters set upon. we've seen fireworks tossed up in the air. we have seen tear gas and smoke canisters tossed the other way from police towards protesters. a violent night in the 17th largest city in america. we are charlotte, north carolina. a police involved shooting. a disagreement between members of the deceased family that claim he was armed only with a book and was an innocent man shot by police and police accounts that say he was armed with a gun. we will have further demonstrative proof on that front before long. we will not see any police video released at least not tonight. the mayor of that city perhaps along with family members is going to view the video

tomorrow. that is when we will learn more but we have spoken to no one that has seen the imagery of the shooting itself. tammie is among our correspondents on the ground in charlotte. you had an experience with the flash-bang grenade. the grinding grenade used in situations like this when police need to get the upper hand. what do you see now? >> right now we're seeing, you know, the protest crowd disperses and then it picks up. right now we have a line of riot police holding this line since we got out here and these two hours they have been holding this line and in the last 15 minutes, brian, as we mentioned some of the protestors have lined up about a foot away from the riot police as you might remember, we talked to manel

saying we need to take a stand. we don't approve of what happened and so that's why we're here and i asked him as you heard, are you willing to go to jail tonight for what you believe in and he said that he was but you also brought up a really good point. there are people out here and if we can spin to the right. there's people in masks. there's people with bandanas around their faces and people with gas masks on as we walk down the line here and it's an uncertain situation of what could happen next. >> what point do you want to make coming out of what we just witnessed? >> first of all anyone that thinks that journalism is an easy job should reconsider after watching that. the other elements of what we're

seeing right now tammie was able to give us a little bit of a sense of and gabe as well that this is the nature of protests in a american city. in 2008 i was in the denver police department during the dnc and this reminds me of the game of chicken that will go on. i remember walking with a black lieutenant and sergeant and district commander and we started hearing no justice, no peace, no racist police. we saw where it was coming from and it was odd because it was a number of of white individuals yelling at a bunch of black law enforcement and all of that seemed comical to me at the time until something flew through the air, a bag of feces that landed on someone. this is what law enforcement sometimes have to put up with. people spitting. not just trying to get very personal but people not just venting their rage but assaulting an officer. what you want to do in that moment is you want to make sure

that you are not taking that personally but that you are able to do your job with the upmost professionalism of keeping everybody safe. so whenever i see that riot line and we're seeing a little video of people taking off what they call turtle gear and that makes me feel happy and at ease because there's a global deescalation. whenever you're in the command line, that's incredibly dice sy. so i encourage the young man that came and had passionate words, i encourage for protests to be straightforward. to be not jerky. to be very nonviolent in word and indeed. that's the power of the voice. i get worried when i start seeing the riot gear on there and people starting to advance closely quickly, reporters, protestors anybody else because it can get hot very, very quickly. >> this is useful to see this

live picture. these are the men and women we have been watching in riot gear all evening. the men and women that could not have guessed a day ago, two days agatha they would be in this position. >> they are going to take their heavy gear off at the moment and perhaps relief is coming as the new shift takes over. we have been joined by alma adams. congresswoman where are you relative to the violence and the reaction to what you have seen in your city tonight? >> i'm just a few blocks away. i'm at city hall at the molt.

and as soon as i got off the plane i when to a meeting with the local ministers here that had been very involved in trying to keep peace to keep people safe. and it has escalated since yesterday and that there's been a break down from their perspective in terms of relationship between the community and the police.

most people are still concerned that the videos have not been released and we heard various reasons why. people are angry and people are are hurting and there's been peaceful protesting and people should be allowed to protest and certainly we juan everybody to be safe and that's the way to express your feelings so that turned in a different direction as you already know and so we're just trying to piece it all together and there's been a state of emergency declared by the governor and some action taken there. so hopefully we can have the calm that we need this community

to heal. violence is not the answer but we do want answers and we want justice. so i came back in to represent this community. i came back not only to show my support but also see how we might help. i'll tell you i had a conversation with the department of justice before i left washington as well. very concerned about the violence that's going on. what got us to this point is really not only focussing on these issues or events but we failed as a country to deal with the pain and the anguish in cities throughout america and

that didn't start tonight. it didn't start last night. i'm a mother and when we think about the african american men that have been killed and that gives me some concern as well. but i think what we want to do is make sure that everyone is safe and as citizens as well as our police officers hopefully peel that we can get this thing settled down and have an opportunity to sit and put all the issues on the table because i don't think that we have -- we clearly don't have all the information right now. now back to chief of police indicated that from the video he looked at he was not able to come to the conclusions really but of course we know that we

have not seen all of the videos. >> congresswoman, should we see the video? are the videos going to be viewed by the mayor and others tomorrow? should it be released? >> well, i think that's the only thing that's going to i think, help. because people, i think the family feels, many people in the community feel that there's information they need to be privy too. i'm not sure that the mayor will be revealing it but i'm not sure what decisions will be made at that point. >> i just fear that the mayor's description of what she sees on video is not going to suffice in a city that has to put all of it's chips on the third straight night of violence. this has not been a good night or safe night in the nation's

17th largest city. thank you very much for joining us by telephone. we are wishing for the best for your congressional district for the city of charlotte. here we are talking about the video again as being the key to the next steps here. what if it's not exculpatory for either side? >> the department of justice came down having examined all the evidence there possibly could be and said while hands up don't shoot makes a great rallying cry those were not the fact of that particular incident. you heard people saying that in chants again tonight. >> yes i did. >> so if we find out that the video shows something different than what the family had to say, if it's really, really clear, i don't think that resolves all the issues. it may end up exonerating a particular officer in a particular case but these protests are not about an individual case.

they cannot be. so if the video is inconclusive, god forbid, what we're talking about is we don't have a clear path forward for accountability for an individual officer that took an individual life which has to matter but in addition to looking for accountability and the aftermath of a killing i have to say when i go into communities and i talk with folks and when i go and talk to police officers as well, what they have to say is how do we prevent the next one? it's far too common and again the script at this point, the reason why we start to feel numb to it is because we can lip sync to it. we know what's coming next and if we don't have a conversation about that at the same time we're trying to figure out how do we create a policy or get back to the video, i have to say, not that i don't love seeing you but you and i have to stop meeting like this. >> we have spent far too much time together in 2016 and i mean that in the nicest way. >> i understand. >> nina turner, former state

senator in ohio but perhaps most importantly for this conversation. mother of a police officer. i could not see you during this conversati conversation. >> the doctors hit the nail on the head. i'll not sure if attorney nelson is still there but this is about a system and dr. king, mandela, lots of great revolutionaries overtime talked about meeting these situations with a righteous indignation but not going toward violence but this is about systemic failure within the united states of america when you go through urban areas there was a shooting that occurred somewhere because you start to see the teddy bears and the balloons and the balloon has lost air and the stuffed animals

are not as cute and pretty as they were, everybody in this nation, the kind of passion and emotion that comes time and time again if you take a knee in this country you're not patriotic if you're a black man. if you have your hands up, if you own the ground, when is it? having a stalled car in this nation while black is a problem. and every time the african american community cries out for justice in a southern land that is unjust toward them because as ice cube once said my skin is my sin or as i say the shadow of skin. people throw up in our face about the other types of violences that happen in the african american community as if african american communities are the only ones. murders are intraracial and it troubled me today as i heard former mayor guliani talk about

these issues on another network. you paint african americans and poor people as the other. poverty is a crime in this country and the people that feel the disproportionate brunt of this are african americans and latinos and people of color and they're the communities that need the police and want to trust the police and need to believe in the police but we need transparency and accountability and we need it now and to the point you were making about that video, they have to release that video quickly. no matter what it shows. it needs to be released quickly. >> i'm no lawyer but that appears to be the answer. we do have a lawyer here, you were nodding along to senator turner. >> she was hitting the nail on the head and then some. have to say so many parts of this case underscore how there's two constitutions that apply to americans. we think about the first amendment and the protection that it offers and it protechs

peaceful protests. it protects rowdy protests. it protects unfriendly protests. it protects impolite protests. it doesn't always come out in a way that's polished. >> it's not neat and clean. >> this situation isn't neat and clean. it's dirty and raw and has historical roots that are really, really deep. when you start to pull at that you're going to see emotion and you're going to see real anguish come to the fore and we have to be prepared to deal with that and our law enforcement have to be prepared to deal with that. they're trained to deal with this and they have to be able to with stand the vutny and with stand the outpouring of emotion and there's a delicate balance.

and have the law enforcement make decisions that turn into an escalated situation and they have a very difficult job. i do not underestimate it all and it's a difficult time and we have to recognize that everything is not being neat and clean and our constitutional rights are unwaivable. it still protects them. >> i was just going to say as new problems arrive in a moderate society someone always has to go first. in the 60s it might have seemed like just a lunch counter the first time. it might have seemed like just a seat on a bus the first time. we know now they became much larger and the question is what are we witnessing happening. i'm told we have lost your

services for the evening but thank you so much for the contributions that you have made for this conversation. naacp legal defense fund. jim is standing by. a question for you, number one after a lifetime in law enforcement anything you'd like to add or even disagree with. how does this end tonight? you've seen the live coverage of the two lines staring each other down in charlotte after a violent night in charlotte. how does this end? >> how should it end? it should end where the police should never take the position to go along with the discussion there. you have to save face. you have to prove you're stronger than the protestors.

i would like to see the protestors interviewed, it's a constitutional right. in many countries in the world the police line would brutalize a person doing that. in america, i'd like to say that our police as a career police and federal agent didn't do that. they stood there and let that man protest and that can be ended without the officers having to save face. in other words they could say turn that line sideways. everybody turn in a line and march off to the sidewalk and, you know, as long as it's safe and let the thing disperse. as a police force you have to be strong and there's no reason for you to save face. you have strength because the people put you there. don't ever try to get into that face saving strengths. let the citizens have that. let the protestors have that.

you are not required to do it. you have to be strong when it's necessary but you don't have to be stronger than the citizen. >> having started at the patrol level and worked his way up in law enforcement. bomb investigation and the like in this country. one of the very best in this field so when he speaks we listen. tammie is at street level. tammie have been able to look at your camera and the officers appear to be putting helmets and respirators back on. what will that be for? >> well, brian, we can only assume they may be deploying gas in this area at some point if the protestors don't move back. in the last 10 or 15 minutes protestors showed up with masks on and obviously had an

antipolice sentiment. they have been chanting some things we can't put on air and that may have been what prompted police to put on their gas masks but you can see a few people backing up. there's obviously some concern. we're backing up a little bit as well right now. there's obviously some concern because all of these riot police have put on their mask and they may deploy gas at some point very soon. >> and certainly video and remember fatigue plays a role on both sides. for protestor and for police officer. our friend from the charlotte observer has gotten back to his newsroom at the paper. eli, tell us what you encountered along the way. >> and it's the protests where

they have been for several hours and along the way we encountered it over a space of about 8 blocks. groups of people walking and seem to be milling around. smashed windows. and we have seen a group of protestors repeated a tactic from last night where a highway was blocked. looked like it's clearing up now but interstate 277 in downtown charlotte was blocked for sometime. and i'm wafing right now the state highway patrol which has been called in directing people off of those roads which are closed. >> we heard there was a semi set

afire tonight. windows busted out in a high end high-rise apartment building downtown and i fear -- >> yes that happened in multiple buildings. >> when a lot of small business owners come to work a lot of them are watching local and cable news tonight trying to see their establishment in the background to see approximate they have suffered damage. that's one of the real tragedies of something like this. when civil disobedience takes away someone else's ability to make a living. someone who -- >> just smashed a bottle on the street. that's not connected to the protest. >> do you have any numbers that can update us injured in custody? that kind of thing from the city. >> we don't. the major correction is hah the person that was shot that they reported had died is in critical condition but is still alive.

we know that people were transported to the hospital earlier tonight and it was reported at that time by our law enforcement and one had died and that's not the case. as of right now the best we know is that there had not been any fatality. critically injured in a shooting and on life support. >> i'm aware this calls for a judgment and in part i'm asking you for your judgment based on your walk back to the newsroom and what you have seen on live television, do you think charlotte has control of its own streets by now tonight? >> and really keeping a lid on things. people protesting but we saw streets where they were not the law enforcement officers

apparent and it was a little harder to tell if there was actually any law enforcement on the blocks. >> eli, thank you for this report. for all the others that came before it tonight on a busy night for you and for our viewers that originally might have tuned in to see our wrap up political broadcast, the 11th hour tonight. it went through the 11th hour and out the other side. i hope you can see the consistent quality of the analysis and opinion we have received tonight from the top guests in their field. we so appreciate it on a night when everyone is busy. we'll take our first break and go back to the streets of charlotte live right after these messages. looking for balance in your digestive system?

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...what you love. ensure. always be you. >> welcome back as our coverage continues. the omni hotel very well-known to business travellers inside and outside of charlotte. this is a typical scene in that. you have a mixture of civilians and community liason folks. some just ordinary citizens that have come out. most peaceful. in the crowd also are people that have been part of the kind of urban combat we have seen tonight on those streets some as

police would call them agitators so we just don't know. right now nothing is happening at this camera location. you're along side so om the damage. we saw some of this in real time on live tv. >> that's right the clean up effort is already there. a couple of the employees are trying to clean this up and there's still a heavy police presence here in the last hour or so. some of the demonstrators getting very tense with police

and you can see still a lot of police really trying to make sure that this situation does not get out of control and the last few remaining demonstrators can leave here peacefully. that's where we're at and the clean up effort already starting. thankfully things seem to be calming down here quite a bit since what we saw a few hours ago. >> we are very mindful about the presence of our cameras and try not to let our cameras presence incite anything. we try to pull back if and where we can but you can see we're hardly the only camera and the only media. often it's not family material. gabe thank you very much.

we'll go over and check with the washington post. he was a great help to us earlier. if you can sum up all that you have seen tonight in charlotte, how would it go? >> it was intense. i used to live two blocks away from where all of this stuff happened and i have never seen it so, on wednesday night at all. >> you have covered i presume other acts of urban violence in other places. this as we were watching this having covered other incidents in other places, this got violent tonight. this was very very tense. >> usually when i cover it, in this case i'm there as the shots

were fired. >> is there a way to sum up the damage we're talk about? business owners that will come to work having played no role in this controversy and find their ability to make a living is sus pebd pended for now. is there a way to put a number on store frons. a number of injuries? a number of arrests yet. >> i don't know if anybody has done that calculation. one of the things, it's the ritz carrolton right there. picking up metal chairs and bashing them into windows and trying to get into the doors. just sometimes almost at random after being frustrated with the police. >> interestingly this area was the beating heart of the

democratic convention and when security turned charlotte into a bar ren police state but it was -- it's part of the gleaming downtown. they are very, very proud of and the banking center and all of that. that was your camera. we're just looking at as people ran by. >> let me tell you what's going on. just in the last 30 seconds they started firing pepper balls. most of the protestors ran. there's a few still sitting there holding hands. you can see linking harms. they're not moving. they were at a safe distance we're able to watch if back here. we'll give you a birds eye view of what's going on now. some protestors are beginning to move back down toward the line. i'm not sure why. but just a few minutes ago they

announced -- >> even if you have to do it with the help of your security consultant there explain to our a audience what pepper balls are. >> can you explain what pepper balls are. >> like paint balls. they hit you and it burns like tear gas. like pepper gas. >> so brian you heard it. i'm guessing that's the first line and then next they'll start spraying tear gas. >> they'll start spraying tear gas. we have seen what they look like. you can even see officers struggling with them to load the next one into the chamber. it looks like a command has gone out again and more people are again running. >> they're firing another round of them and we're moving to a safe distance.

they're saying this is unlawful gathering and anybody that doesn't disperse will be arrested and they'll use riot control agents to move everybody back. so it's going to happen within the next minute or so. if these protestors don't start moving back they'll get hit with more pepper balls if not tear gas and most likely be arrested. >> so i'm going to assume that the three people sitting down on the pavement are going to be gently put into restraints and arrested for failing to move. is manuel one of them? the guy you interviewed? >> yes. i can see him from where i am standing. he is sitting in the middle of the three people. holding his hands out stretched with two others. he is still there and as you remember he said he was willing to go to jail tonight for what he believes in and he believes

standing up to the police officers will show they don't support what is going on. they're still here and not leaving the area completely. >> for those just joining our coverage, just to describe this, the police line has been advancing tonight in charlotte. there are three people, you see them on the pavement. arms joined. police lines have got to do what police lines do. they can't just simply make an exception and go around them and we presume they will on the gentler side place them under arrest in advance because you still have -- so they're advancing. there they go. >> they're advancing, brian. they just went past manuel and the other people he was holding hands with.

>> they absorbed them. >> so they'll be arrested and now they're going to continue coming forward. brian and there's more paint balls being fired. so we'll continue backing up. as you can imagine you have covered many of these situations brian. it's a bit chaotic and you're not quite sure which way to go. we're trying to show you what is going on and also stay at a safe gattis answer the. >> you keeping your eyes peeled on that advancing police line and leave yourself an out where you could run and have some place in mind and we'll deal with the camera pictures as we get it. i've heard some great ones in my time but absorbing the protestors in the advancing police line is a great one. we have seen it before. it sounds like more rounds are being fired. certainly judging by the people running by this camera location.

or security consultant is warning our camera man. >> i can tell you it sounds like what they are doing is they'll fire a few rounds from the paint balls and then they'll move a couple of feet and these protestors what they're doing is as soon as they fire a few rounds they'll take off running and then once the riot police stop they tend to go back down a little bit so it's almost a game of back and forth and police are just trying to obviously push them far enough out of the situation. >> we heard that old time wordage at a tos tobt, tammie. we heard members of the peaceful protest brigade locally. at times blaming agitators for the violence that broke out what

percentages of agitators versus peaceful protestors. . we watched this unfold from the beginning. there are hundreds of people out here that were trying to protest peacefully. and that was what got things going brian. >> tammie continues to watch this back and forth cat and mouse presumably. jim is watching with us. jim there has to be at some point here a command to come forward and clear this block, correct? >> yeah. they're trying to do it slowly. they tonight want to get them all charged up again. that's why they're using a pepper ball. just trying to move them back and get them separated but these

guys. some of these guys want to linger until they get arrested that may be the out come of a portion of the people still on the street. when the officers are firing, those things hurt quite a bit and after that you're determined to be arrested. >> they're going to keep shooting their pepper ball and are going to have to come out and grab some of these guys if they want to make arrests and not try to let it kind of fade back into a peaceful line. they have to keep it at the moment. >> when the police line diminishes everything else diminishes as well. they have to read that first. they have to feel like that's the appropriate time. you don't want to set people off breaking windows and hurting

others but they have to make a command decision and right now they feel like they have to keep that line. >> there's conventions every year and part of the displays have to do with non-lethal crowd control. everything is a profit center these days and there's been a lot of work and new products in this area and exactly what we're seeing here. we have gone from the days of the compact bean bags which really hurt to the other great one, rubber bullets which in some cases are just on the wrong side of the non-lethal line. they have made great strides in ways police officers can do here. letting protestors know they're coming and they mean business. >> that's right and it's designed to make you uncomfortable. tear gas will turn your eyes

it's uncomfortable. you don't want to be around it. they don't want to be choking on that smoke and then of course sting ball or pepper ball, all of these things tend to want to make you leave the area and not be in a comfortable position so you have to be more and more determined to stay. the point of your message sort of diminishes if you increase your violence like the rev rand barber is so articulate on that and a agree with him the way he assessed the situation. the powerful message maybe he is strong in his believes but not engaging in violence. he gets arrested but east not striking out and breaking windows and throwing rocks at the police. so that's what we have to see here. what are these other folks going to do?

are they going to disperse? they can lawfully be arrested because they're failing to disperse. a lawful police order on the street so they can be arrested even if they don't engage in a violent act for failure to disperse. they just want to leave. >> this is very close to being over. especially when you compare it to what we have seen tonight and jim i'm glad you mentioned this protestor that tammie interviewed during this silent dramatic face-off with police. well we have every reason to believe he has now been placed under arrest while we watch the police line advance on one side of the screen, listen to what a few minutes back he said to tammie. >> we're out here to send a message that we will no longer allow for people to keep being

killed by police officers. we're not going to allow it and it's not going to be allowed anymore and there has to be a sense of accountability on all sides. especially from the police department and especially when there's people being killed and there's no one being held accountable for it. >> and i notice that you have been standing here about two feet away from the riot officers with your hands behind your back. what message are you sending? >> it's not about violence. it's about standing and letting them know that we will not back down. i will not give an inch. the moment they say we need to leave the city we're not taking a step back. >> are you prepared to be arrested tonight? because that will be what happens? >> that will be what happens. >> we have every reason to believe that is exactly what happened and when we last left the camera location, obviously the safety of tammie and her

crew. to jim's point and to get very brass tax about it, this is the city's tax base. this is the city's revenue base. this is tourism. this is business. if this part of the city isn't open, cleaned up and ready for business, charlotte, north carolina which ranks 17th largest u. s. city, a center of banking and commerce suddenly loses business. you lose business, you lose revenue, you hughes interest, the outside world, doctor, you have been watching this with us. nodding all the way. >> yeah. i'm really glad that you're bringing up the financial element of this. >> i hate to but it is jermaine. >> i'm glad about it not because i take any kind of joy in financial suffering. we want america to be doing well in all of it's spaces, especially it's urban centers which are the drivers of our economy but that this is what makes this a very different kind

of space. when we were looking at baltimore and ferguson and people in their own neighborhoods. the residents of charlotte and this is the downtown area and this is not where many of these people live so there will be an absolute economic consequence to this. another thing as i have been checking my phone and you have been seeing messages coming in, wasn't there another way? and at some point opportunity this become a distraction? it's really important to get, nobody is going out there, you see the images of people smiling, no one is going out there because this is a good time. no one is going out there because this is what their friends were doing and they went along with it. >> if people thought they could vote and it would change, they would vote and it would change. economic investments whether it was personal growth they would do that. and i have to say as good a job as law enforcement seems to be doing and advancing and disarming this many of the issues that have been aflikting these communities for so very

long we should stop making it policemen and policewomen's swrob to do them. when you have folks clearly mentally distressed we should stop having that be police officers job. too often that ends in the tools they have which is arrest and force when we're talking about schools and crisis. it should not be a police officer's job to manage it. we're looking at charlotte here. >> the chief in dallas was so brilliant on this topic. >> exactly. you have chiefs saying let us do one job which is to keep people safe from physical harm and track down property when it's taken but don't make us be therapists. don't make us be emissaries of the cdc and your school. let us do our job. the problem is in the distress neighborhoods police have every job. as a result you end up with folks that can't possibly be trained to deal with adolescents

and mental health issues as well as violent crime and keep themselves safe while responding to too many calls. >> as we remember after that mass killing in dallas the police chief famously said join up. join the effort. change the city from within and if you join i'll let you patrol the neighborhood you grew up in. more on that in a moment. our coverage continues, if anything happens to bring us back here to our live coverage, we'll jump out of this break but please one more break and our live coverage will continue. they feel good?

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>> we are back the picture here on the screen is live street level. charlotte, north carolina where it ended up rolling over our normal 11th hour program summation of the day's campaign news. this will very quickly take it's place. already has in the presidential campaign. we should mention donald trump for one was going to do a town hall tonight and that was perhaps very smartly put off until tomorrow evening. most of the cable networks attention and the local stations in this region have been squarely on this. these are charlotte police officers in full riot gear as they have been much of the

night. this is a stand down stance compared to what we have seen for most of the night. we have reason to believe the shift that's been on has been held on the late night shift has come on to perhaps relieve them. we've had a enough of arrests. we've had a number of injuries. we had one falsely reported fatality. a civilian on civilian shooting apparently. a person is clinging to life in critical condition but happily not a fatality. wesley lowrey is with us. covers law enforcement. justice, race and politics. a winner of the prize for his work collecting data on misshootings. tonight it's included what we have watched play out on live television and wes, what do you make of what you have seen? >> thanks for having me.

we see another city here where there's anger in the streets, traumatic people, officers in riot gear facing off with anger demonstrators and again it's such a similar story playing out. he was saying that earlier talking about this idea. if he would have just looked at the names and looked at the hashtags this is a predictable script. so similar to two summers ago. and what we saw a year ago and previously in tulsa so again it's unfortunately a sense of deja vu. and we shake our heads and say that on going violence in the middle east, civilians running from a police line seeing these flashes and things being fired

at civilians, this is charlotte, north carolina as i keep saying one of the real, of the younger cities in this country, the younger meaning downtown development, one of the real glittering skylines, a lot of bank money and a lot of big company money there. it's kind of unbelievable in a way. >> of course. i think that the mistake that sometimes we make when we watch these things play out is we say well that is that place and that could never happen here. where ever that happens to be, right? that might have been folks in charlotte a few years ago saying i'm glad we don't have those problems they have over at ferguson. it might have been people in milwaukee or tulsa saying i'm glad we don't have the problems they have in baltimore. what i think is there time and time again as we revisit this it seems almost on the calendar once a month here we are having this conversation. it's this idea that this is a

problem or this is a tension that we all live with whether we believe it or not. issues of race and justice and policing and equaty are not things and there's things that are playing out in our own backyards gaend that's not to demonize police but also not to demonize demonstrators but it's the idea that these are real things impacting americans across the nation and not just in one or two places. but this is part of the american story. these tensions, these historic tensions between black americans, minorities and police, law enforcement. >> you'd think it would be a great time to have a conversation about this because we happen to have this presidential campaign going on. >> and what is interesting is that in many ways our two

candidates not weighing in on either of them but the two candidates represent our most polarized stances on this. i do believe having covered this for a long time that people's views on police and law enforcement and justice can be as equally polarizing. if not more polarizing than our affiliations. you have a candidate donald trump that called essentially for a national stop and frisk program. called for racial profiling and you clinton, the democratic nominee that's called for the ending of stop and frisk so you're seeing these two polls very often and i also think that type of polarization is important for people to remember and understand in the context. where you have many people in the united states of america because of their experiences and because of their background that instinctively and naturally believe the police, no matter what they say but you also have

a group of people who based on their experiences do not believe the police so when you look at something like the shooting in charlotte these conflicting swords. did he have a book? did he have a gun? you have a large section. we had a gun and another live section of the populous, many people that are so angered and drama tiezed and they don't believe they're police. but i think that that deficit and trust and understanding someone of the reasons we have such a difficulty in this conversation. we live almost in different worlds. >> wesley lowery thank you as always. it does strike me that the last time that you and me, the three of us on television was an urban act of gun violence and they keep coming. wesley lowery of the washington

post tonight. this story in many ways mirrors the lyrics of american skin by bruce springsteen. a song about an incident here in new york city that has proven quite be another one of these conversations. >> our viewers have been