friday. i'm alex witt alongside -- >> louis burgdorf. >> "morning joe" starts right now. good morning. it's friday, september 23rd. joe's out is out with a family emergency, which i'll tell you about in just a second. with us we have former communications director for george w. bush, nicole wallace, former governor howard dean on set and professor at the university of michigan school of public policy, former democratic congressman harold ford jr., veteran ad man danny deutch and political righter for "the new york times" and in washington, senior political editor and white house correspondent for the huffington post sam stein and former ted cruz campaign communications director, now an msnbc political analyst rick tyler. a quick note here. joe is at bellevue hospital. >> what's going on? >> much of the team and i were

there through the night. his son, andrew, had a horrible accident. head injury, fractured skull. they stabilized him. that trauma team is amazing. he fell down a flight of stairs. thanks to the doctors and nurses there. it's touch and go. we're stabilized. it was a long night and prayers for them. we want to thank the folks at bellevue. what an incredible place. i can tell you because i saw it myself. all right. we'll get to the news. a couple of notes to get to that we want to dig into deeper. the streets of charlotte are calm this morning following the first night of peaceful protests over the shooting death of keith scott as a curfew there had just expired. charlotte's mayor ordered that curfew last night beginning at midnight. police department officials said officers would not enforce it as long as demonstrators remained peaceful. by in large, they did.

the crowds really did that. at one point officers used tear gas to disperse a group that had gathered and blocked interstate 277. we'll go live to charlotte in a moment for an update on that. meanwhile, the police officer who shot and killed an unarmed black man in tulsa, oklahoma, last week has been charged with first-degree manslaughter. overnight, officer betty shelby turned herself into authorities and was later released on bond. the charge filed against her comes in response to the fatal shooting death of 40-year-old terence crutcher. crutcher was shot and killed as he approached his suv with his arms raised last friday. an attorney for shelby said she suspected crutcher to be high on pcp at the time of the incident and was not following demands. we'll have more on the different dynamics around this story. there are things you don't see here as well. still charged. we'll dig in deeper just ahead. we need to get to politics.

a lot going on there. it plays into these stories. we're just three days until the first big debate showdown and that is going to be quite something on monday night. the latest batch of swing polls show that donald trump in swing states gaining dramatilly on hillary clinton in states all but written off by some. in colorado, look at this new poll, quinnipiac, hillary clinton has risen three points but trump has risen by nine in colorado bringing them within the margin of error and gary johnson has lost six points. cut me off if you want to talk about any of these states. >> colorado is incredible. he's at 42 and she's at 44. a large hispanic population and that has to worry democrats now. >> it doesn't worry me yet because the polls have been all over the map. >> closest he's been in colorado. >> let's see what the next poll

shows. quinnipiac is a good polling outfit. no question about it. this has been going on for a long time. is there movement? there is. and one of the things that's not surprising especially in colorado is there is going to be movement away from the minor party candidates because people don't like to waste their vote, and i know there's a big debate about whether you should. the truth is in every single election, the minority candidates go way down at the end because people get serious about their vote. i mean, i don't -- i'm not in panic mode. >> let's look at virginia. clinton's number is flat at 45 while trump has gained five points on her bringing her to 39%. >> equally stunning. >> i don't think that's stunning at all. this is virginia for god's sake. >> are you trying to cast this off? are you kidding me, howard dean? >> college educated men and women that have sort of been

attracted to her throughout most of the general. >> she's going to win in virginia easily. >> all right. >> i don't think -- look, i take this seriously. i tell people trump can win. i do believe that. i don't think one poll leads us to panic mode. >> i think what howard said is true. i've never seen this with the poll. you g through a daily thing and you'll see polls and florida where in one poll he's up by three and another she's up by seven. clearly there's a momentum for trump. hard to deny that. frightening momentum frankly. >> i think what you're not keeping in perspective is that this is hillary clinton versus donald trump and you would just think it would be different. again, the mystery of trump and his connection with people. let me dive back in and then we'll look at them all. nine-point swing in trump's favor in iowa has the race sitting at 44% to 37%. in georgia, trump leads by seven. 47-40. florida, trump leads by 1%, 45-44. okay.

howard, i mean, this is something to look at, no? >> you know -- >> if you're the campaign? >> i looked at these polls every week. q has been slightly better for trump than a lot of the other ones. i think one poll does not an election make. >> rick tyler, do you agree? >> it's worrisome for hillary clinton. you notice independents in each one of the cases where we have comparative polls, they go down, trump goes up and hillary doesn't go up as much or goes down. that tells me that those people are moving. i like to know which people are moving because i doubt it's the african-americans are moving so in a sense the independent candidates are keeping -- my speculation is independent candidates are keeping the votes that would normally go to hillary and there's a consolidation of the libertarians going toward trump. that's got to be problematic. >> this is all of course the backdrop of three days away from

the first general election debate of the 2016 race. moderated by our own lester holt. it will take place about 30 miles from our studios at long island. both candidates claim new york is their home turf. debate preps could not be more different. oh yeah. aides to hillary clinton tell nbc news they are ready for the "different trumps" that might show up including the one that could hurl personal insults. they're also playing some mind games with the audience sharing that billionaire businessman and antagonist of donald trump mark cuban. cuban tweeted last night. just got a front row seat to watch hillary clinton overwhelm donald trump at the humbling at hofstra on monday night. >> run for president. see how much fun you have. >> we'll be here in three years

talking about mark cuban's primary campaign. >> here's some of what cuban told us about how clinton should take on trump. >> he goes nuts when someone doesn't think he's smart. the's a reason why he mentioned where he goes to school. there's a reason why he needs his ego stoked. what i would tell her to do is smirk a lot at his answers. they tell them not to react at all. in donald's case she'll notice if she's shaking her head. if she's smiling at his answers and rolling her eyes, that will get to him. again, if you question his intellectual ability, that drives him nuts. >> thank you so much. i'm not sure why we did that. i'm sorry to our viewers. i'll take the credit.

no. clinton spokes -- what? >> one of the things trump is doing is he's consolidating republican support. what governor dean is getting at and even donny, this is going to happen. makes it more critical and imperative that the coalition achieved by obama in '12 and '08 has to be a central focus. i appreciate mark cuban's recommendations but i hope the campaign is focused on what needs to be done to remind democrats what the supreme court will look like over the next four years and what civil rights legislation and laws will look like over the next eight years and what kind of commitment will the country make to public education over the next four to eight years. that's what's at stake for democrats who think a gary johnson or even a jill stein. there are huge stakes at place here. that's what the focus has to be on as we head into these final 50 or so days. >> alex brings up a good point. trump is so reactive with tweets

and just anything that bugs him he blurts. they have this mark cuban guy sitting in the front row. >> a billionaire that bugs him. that's the clinton strategy. >> i like it. >> the only thing that would piss trump off more is seeing me in the front row. >> anybody would get pissed off seeing you in the front row. chelsea clinton plans to attend monday's debate but no word if bill clinton will be in the room. donald trump is taking a more laid back approach spending far less time in debate prep. even adding a campaign rally in virginia tomorrow night just 48 hours before the event. kind of understand that actually. his type of personality needs to keep his mind off of it, keep busy, have fun. you know, you hear it's almost

gender based. >> i think gender is a big part. shoot from the hip guy to the studious woman. i don't mean to generalize about men and women. i also think jumping to the debate, that is going to be such a big deal. we watched trump for the last year and a half howl at the moon, bark out at audiences and out at 15 other guys. now there's a woman across from you. we all know that so much comes down to suburban women and if he's in anyway hateful or belligerent toward her, that's not going to be good for him. >> i thought his weakest debate moment was when carly fiorina responded to his insult, you want to look at that -- remember, he said something about her face. i think his most devastating debate performance is when she

responded to that. >> what hillary has got to do is on one hand prosecute, moderate, google. let me talk about what i mean. basically, she has to have a very measured tone. she can't come out at him. she's got to poke, poke, poke, hope that in some way he punches back. >> before we laugh about him doing rallies and not preparing, you think of the two law students preparing for the bar. guy is polishing his car to calm down and girl is studying up to the last minute. >> she in her own way has to moderate this debate and take charge. the last thing that's interesting is he just lies and lies and lies. at some point ask for audience participation, donald that's a lie and i want everyone at home to google right now. we have an interesting -- we have google. sitting by people's side. an interesting thing to bring in. we saw -- >> she could say lie.

lie. >> commander in chief thing, there were six or seven things that were untruths. basically i think it would be interesting to do. >> here's donald trump. he has some opinions on whether or not the debate moderator should actually be a fact checker as well. take a look. >> what would you like to see? a moderator or a fact checker? >> i think he has to be a moderator. you're debating somebody and if she makes a mistake or i make a mistake, we'll take each other on. >> sam stein, i mean, the moderator can point out if something is blatantly untrue, can they not? >> not only can they point it out, i would argue they have an obligation to point it out. first and foremost, they're a journalist. the idea here is you try to get true information to the viewers. i know people think that there's a risk of their being a bias, candy crowley moment, but in the end, you do have to point out

fact. i want to go back a little bit. there's one person in this roundtable who actually has prepped for a debate with donald trump this cycle and that's rick. i'm curious if rick has any insights into what ted cruz had to do and what the campaign tried to do heading into a debate with what is sort of an unconventional political opponent in donald trump. >> well, sam, it evolved over time. in the beginning of the debate we knew that ted cruz didn't have high name i.d. so wasn't going to be beneficial to attack somebody who had very high name i.d. and who was actually very popular. you didn't see that in the first debates. others tried to do it but when they also didn't have name i.d., it's a losing proposition. so over time it did change. by the way, i actually played donald trump in the debate itself. i'm a little familiar with how to do that. look, donald trump is a very

dominant character. he will speak dominantly. my guess is he will actually be very disciplined. i think hillary clinton needs just to really focus on her performance and simply not make any mistakes. donald also has to keep his temperament in tone because that's the one thing that people find most disturbing about donald trump. >> so i want to bring in nick because as we look ahead to this debate, i know howard was poo-pooing the polls. don't you think the stakes of the debate are higher. we know the impact of major debate moments but these polls show something, do they not? they can't be cast off. >> she hasn't sealed the deal with her side and that partisans are coming home for trump. this crazy unconventional election is becoming a partisan turnout election so it's absolutely worrisome for her.

i think for this debate, look, he has one basic test. look up there and imagine him in the oval office. th real doubt people have about him even those who like some of what he's saying is he's not really ready to hold that chair. i think if he can get up and break type a little bit and stick to his points and not be trump the insult comic dog, he has a chance of coming out ahead. clinton has a good skill for this kind of low key tweaking of people like him to sort of get under his skin and nudge like this over and over again. very good at it. i can see it piling on over the course of 90 minutes where he's kind of drifting and receding back and losing his energy and she's looking authoritative and tweaking him. >> what drives him crazy is when you repeat his recorwords. she's got to do that. nobody is better than trump than

when anyone would say that, he'll say i'm ahead. the fact he has that going in is a big advantage to him. other advantage going in is if you think it's about untrustworthy and unlikely versus dangerous and unbalanced and potentially hateful, all he has to do is not be dangerous and unbalanced. it's hard for her in 90 minutes to change unlikely and untrustful. his dial meter is easier to move down on the negative than hers is. the bar is set lower for him. >> the other thing this election for now more than ever is not about us. it's not about washington, boston or l.a. or any of the sort of -- it's about americans who are sick of washington. it's about americans who are sick of the media and there are more of those people than you and i could ever imagine. all of us could walk out of the debate on monday and say hillary

clinton won. that just may not matter. it just may not be the case. it may not translate that way. we've seen that way with trump. >> we talked about south carolina earlier this week. i was on a jetblue flight and they came over to see if i was hock because i guess i was howling with my headphones on. jetblue is great. i texted my husband. i said it's over. he's done. what happened? he just blew it in this debate. not only was he viewed as winner of the south carolina republican primary vote, he won the state's primary running away. >> let's look at south carolina. 30% of the voters in the primary think that lgbt people should not be allowed in this country. 40% of the people think that african-americans are lazier than white people. >> this was a republican primary. a state with a massive active military and veteran vote. he blamed 9/11 on george w. bush and won the state's primary. i think mika is absolutely right.

not only does our commentary not have an effect but some rebel against it. >> i think we lived that. yesterday president obama shared what he would say to hillary clinton ahead of monday night's debate and democratic vice president nominee tim kaine said he worries that expectations are higher for clinton than for trump. here first is the president followed by tim kaine. >> be yourself and explain what motivates you. i will tell you i've gotten to know hillary and seen her work and seen her in tough times and in good times. she's in this for the right reasons. i think there's a reason why we haven't had a woman president before. she's having to break down some barriers. there's a level of mistrust and caricature of her that just doesn't jive with who i know. this person that cares deeply

about kids. >> i think maybe we're coming into a place where both candidates ought to be really challenged and challenged the same way but donald has been able to get away with some things that hillary couldn't and frankly nobody could. nobody, nobody could get away with not releasing their tax returns in a presidential race. i don't know why donald has been allowed to kind of get away with that. >> he says -- his son says they are 12,000 pages and it's too complicated for us. >> we'll never see it. how are vacancies in canada? >> unbelievable. people will accept things that they just haven't ever accepted before. >> secretary clinton before the benghazi house committee was a lot of worry. she stepped up and hit a grand slam. worried in that first debate with sanders she would not perform and she did. she has this in her. i hope she follows the president's advice and stays in her lane. if she gets in the mud with this guy, it's a dangerous place to

get and tim kaine is right expectations are higher. that's what happens when you are the favorite. i have confidence in her. >> if he punches, she has to punch back. >> can't get in the mud. >> you have to let him throw the first punch but then you in a very calculated prosecutorial way punch back. >> you don't start it, but you end it. she has to end it if it starts. >> is anybody scared? i'm scared. i for one am cared. >> i think it will be a fascinating night. >> it's interesting. abc did research that no debate has shifted. we all lens it through our eyes and save an insane moment -- >> george w. bush's campaign was harmed in the first debate and president obama was harmed by his less than stellar -- >> and reagan picked up ten points. >> dynamic which --

>> i'm not -- >> donny, you're dead wrong. >> you say the outcome and you may be right. mika is right about how -- >> when we come back, i'll quote the article. >> okay. "the onion." >> "mad" magazine says -- >> i'm surprised it was a clean magazine. chuck todd, kasie hunt joins us coming up. kasie has a classic moment from gary johnson and we'll show you that. plus -- >> there was a lot of talk this week about a potential cease-fire signed or agreed to within the last two weeks. is the cease-fire in syria dead? >> translator: unfortunately it is a still born baby. >> we have an exclusive interview president erdogan of turkey about what to do in syria to the 2016 election. first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> big changes this upcoming

weekend in the east. if you're in iowa, you're looking at way too much rain. yesterday we had these pictures coming out of green, iowa. small town that had mannedory evacuations. you can see how much water was rushing what was supposed to be a small river and this morning the rain continues in iowa. three days in a row. the cedar river from waterloo through cedar rapids will hit major flooding this weekend. second highest all-time crest in a few spots. flash flood watch for the rest of the day. i mentioned changes. d.c., near 90 today. philadelphia, new york city, mid 80s at least. that changes this upcoming weekend as finally some cooler air will come down from the north. highs will only be in the 70s in many areas of the east. 78 in d.c. everyone that's been waiting for the great weather in the east, looks like your fall will begin as we head through this upcoming weekend. speaking of washington, d.c., this will be one of the last hot summer days. looks like it. it is a beautiful sunrise. more "morning joe" when we come back. i'm hillary clinton and i approve this message.

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27 past the hour. there is calm in the streets of charlotte this morning following

two nights of violence. police, along with national guard forces, faced much more peaceful crowds last night. many in the streets could hear chanting release the tapes referencing the police dash and body cam videos of the shooting of keith scott. charlotte's police chief announced yesterday the tapes would not be made public any time soon if at all. speaking with brian williams last night, charlotte's mayor jennifer roberts say officials want to handle sensitive material in what they call an appropriate manner. >> i have seen the video. i agree with the assessment both by our chief as well as the family. the family has seen the video also. it is ambiguous. there is not a clear picture. the body camera of course is moving and the view is obscure at certain points. the dash cam is only partial view. it's a challenge. it's ambiguous. this is one reason why we want

to have time for the investigation to continue to gather all of the pieces of the puzzle. >> the lawyer for the scott family said while police did give keith scott several commands, he did not aggressively approach them or raise his hands at law enforcement. here's how the family attorney described the videos to msnbc last night. >> it was painful to watch. not just to see him get shot and killed but to see the reactions on his loved ones faces. what i see in that video is an individual sitting in a car who gets out in a calm, peaceful manner. he never appears to be aggressive. it seems like he's a tad confused. i don't know if he's getting yelled at from too many directions. his hands are down. there does appear to be an object in his hand. you can't make out what it is. at the moment he is shot, he's actually stepping backwards. >> for the life of me, i don't understand how the mayor and chief of police and others believe it's okay for them to

see the video and comment and make a rationale judgment but not okay for the public to see. i think it's a slippery slope when public officials believe their entitled to see things and then make decisions without the public can consume it in a way to keep them responsible. no doubt people will look at it and say things outside the realm. it's a slippery slope for public officials to make these kind of statements. >> and when the family -- i think family's wishes have to carry at least an equal wait. the family's wish is for it to be released as i understand it. >> if you are publicly stating that the video is ambiguous and not that controversial and it won't be provocative, you lose the rationalization for not releasing it and making it public. you can't hold those two competing views. >> what's the argument for not releasing? >> people will distort it and create mor hysteria and people are able to put it on social

media and amplify things and people will misinterpret. >> that's what's happening without releasing the video. >> i couldn't agree with you more. we're being asked to take the judgment of public officials as if somehow another government should tell the public what's acceptable, what they understand and what they can interpret the right way. this is even more dangerous in a lot of ways than not releasing it. >> an independent review board or something. >> independent review board is called the public. >> yeah. i hesitate to say why i think they might need to wait but it just seems a little frightening -- >> it could be not near as damning as the tulsa video. >> the public officials are commenting. police officers have every right to. the mayor. we've seen the video. we'll wait for the investigation to end. they're offering their own appraisal of what happened as if we are to accept it and believe it because they're family officials. >> one reason not to release it

if the family wanted to preserve that moment. the most horrific tragedy in their life but the family is calling for its release. >> it's insane. people's imagination is much worse than what's on the tape. if the tape is as bad as it was in tulsa, something will be done for it. this is insane for the people not to release the tape. they'll do better and streets will come down if they release the tape. >> there might be something we don't know. >> but we're listening to -- we're listening to the public officials give their editorial comments. if they didn't say anything other than we saw it. we'll let this investigation finish. that's one thing. they're not saying that. >> you can make the point that there's an incredible public interest here that goes beyond just charlotte and releasing this tape. we're having a national conversation about the shooting of unarmed black men. i think there's a public interest here in releasing the tape to add to that conversation and certainly you can make the case it would tamp down some of the tensions we saw last night

but two nights before. >> it adds to a buildup of friction in the community. something we saw in chicago with surveillance videos not being released and not being disclosed at times. and, you know, we don't need more distrust. that's for sure. >> i think we're past the point right now in this country where people are willing to not see these videos. there's not enough trust. the public should see them. i have to guess at some point that video is going to come out. at some point it gets out. >> coming up, we'll take a look at a brand new ad the clinton campaign is rolling out. we'll get donny deutch's take on that because you're an ad man. >> and a mad man. >> did you see "between two fer ferns"? what happens if you get pregnant? my god. everything about it was funny.

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i would love to meet the person that makes your pantsuits. because for halloween i wanted to go as a librarian from outer space. >> that would be a good look for you. >> what you are wearing at the debates? >> there's a double standard. what should the first woman nominee of one of our two major

parties wear to the debate? i have no idea. so if you have suggestions, i'm open to them? >> do you wonder what your opponent might be wearing? >> i assume he'll wear the red power tie. >> or a white power tie. >> that's even more appropriate. >> when you went to donald trump's wedding did he write his own vows and did michelle obama write mi write hers? >> i'm sure they were great and huge and wonderful. >> as secretary, how many words per minute can you type and how does president obama like his coffee, like himself, weak? >> you know, zach, those are really out of date questions. you need to get out more. >> what happens if you become pregnant? are we going to be stuck with tim kaine for nine months? how does this work?

>> i could send you pamphlets that might help you understand. >> she was great in that. she nailed it. >> he was funny too. >> he was hilarious. >> funnier than obama. i thought obama was very funny. >> that's because obama thinks he's funny, you know. that always ruins it. i mean, he can be. he laughs at his own jokes. you can't go into that. she was perfect. my god. hillary clinton -- that was an appearance on funny or dies between two ferns. >> he's a michigan guy. >> interview was taped two weeks ago, the same day clinton was diagnosed with pneumonia. she powers through just fine. with 46 days until election day, the hillary clinton campaign is out with a new ad this morning entitled mirrors. the ad uses donald trump's own words while asking the question is this the president we want for our own daughters? the ad will run in several

battleground states and nationally on cable. take a look. >> i would look her right in that fat ugly face of hers. she's a slob. she ate like a pig. a person who is flat chested is very hard. does she have a good body, no. >> you treat women with respect? >> i can't say that either. >> wow. >> donny? >> i think that's fantastic. does a lot of stuff i referenced earlier. number one, use his words and also it's going to come down to the suburban women voters. and also the thing that hurts trump is not the sleaze factor, trump university, it's hate factor. that's dialed up. >> you're a dad of daughters. how do you feel watching that ad? you have young girls. >> you look at that and you think it's repulsive.

>> gender neutral message there. >> that's a message to women. that is -- you're a mom. >> i'm a mom. i think dads are as protective of their children, and i think that has an affect far beyond the mom vote. >> i think the clinton ads have been fantastic. >> they have a lot of material. >> boy, you look at that and you talk about a moral imperative, moral obligation, and that's powerful stuff. >> rick tyler, what do you think? >> i agree with nicole. i think that ad is directed toward women but it has a profound affect on men as a father of a daughter, i looked at all those young women and could see my own daughter. it's very powerful. >> so, again, i'm just going to add to that. you grow up as a young girl and young woman in america and the

first thing you're hit with as a girl is all of those types of things. it hurts. >> you want to punch him in that ad. you want to literally punch his face. >> it hurts our girls. it shapes their futures. it shapes their choices. it shapes their outlook. >> which also to me the biggest concern about a trump presidency beyond the nuclear codes is what does it set up for our behavior? how we behave as people. how kids behave in the school yards. how people behave in the office environment and basically because that's what happens as a result of this. he is sitting the mark for what is appropriate, acceptable and even aspirational behavior and to me as a dad, to me as a person, to me as an american, that's the scariest thing. >> what's so interesting to me is that seems like an open and shut case against him. when you see him climbing in the polls, what i think voters are experiencing are her ethics looking at them -- i'm playing

devil's advocate. they view her history on ethics as equal to his history of language that's -- >> i always see those sound bites from the howard stern show and other things he's done over the past few decades. i do feel like a good part of the country hasn't heard those words. >> look, i have two daughters. i feel that ad right here. i think it's going to be an effective one. i'm also marveling, can you imagine there's enough material to fill that ad out with his comments? all of the things that he's said that are like that. what's effective about it is it's not his comments about people who they were made about, celebrities, models, whatever, it's against people like you, teenagers, young women. that's what makes it so effective. i think it's going to have a huge impact. >> coming up, donald trump has

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>> there was a lot of talk this week about a potential cease-fire signed or agreed to within the last two weeks. is the cease-fire in syria dead? >> translator: unfortunately it's a still born baby. a period of 48 hours was initiated and then a week was discussed if the first 48 hours was a successful one but it never happened. the cessation of hostilities was significantly interrupted. >> that was turkey's president erdogan talking about the viability of the ongoing cease-fire in syria. it came crashing to an end as russia, syria and u.s. point

fingers over who was responsible for a deadly attack on an aid convoy. but for president erdogan, there is little question. >> translator: the killer responsible for that attack is assad's regime itself. and this bombing was performed by assad's regime at the end of which we have once again clearly seen the character, the identity, of assad's regime in syria. this region in question should have been officially declared as a no-fly zone and unfortunately no leader from around the world seemed to have agreed. they have been talking about this necessity from time to time but no concrete step had been taken forward. >> do you see that the american policy on assad has changed from the beginning to now? do you believe that maybe they're trying to now that they're working with the russians maybe creating a space for assad to stay and work with another solution down the line.

>> translator: at least 600,000 people were killed in syria and the soul responsible for those killings is who you refer to. do you think we can keep him in power in syria? how are we going to ask for repr repentance from those people that have died if we keep assad in power? >> first of all, incredible get. that interview. the reason is because turkey really presents a number of different challenges to the entire dynamic. could you please first plain those. turkey is problematic. >> there are two issues with turkey. one, obviously the geopolitics of what's taking place in the region and that's syria. a major cornerstone of regional security for nato, so that's a big part of that security umbrella but then there is the concern from western countries

particularly the united states in terms of what is happening inside of turkey in terms of rolling back any democratic gains, any criticisms on press freedoms, human rights. it poses this duality for the united states. on one hand they want to see turkey strive as a democracy. at the same time even within the conflict of syria they know there have been problems for a long time. foreign fighte erers flowing thh the borders into syria and turkish government was turning a blind eye to that while trying to prop up the opposition to fight the assad regime. foreign fighters have now joined isis. >> i understand you had chance to talk about the election here with him. i'm wondering what his thoughts were. >> he's a savvy politician. we asked who would he refer to see in the white house. obviously he kind of dodged that question. interestingly enough, i spoke to him about one of the issues. turkey being a muslim country.

one of the most influential muslim countries. i asked him about donald trump's ban on muslims. take a listen to what he said. if donald trump becomes president, would you recommend to turki isish citizens no longo come to the u.s. since he's calling on a ban of muslims coming into the united states? >> translator: well, i don't think that this is remotely possible because politics is a marathon and it's a long process. many things can be said throughout the rallies before elections and things will turn out to be very different post-elections. no political figure, no politician in this world is confined to their own local grounds. >> who would have a better relationship with turkey when they become president? donald trump or hillary clinton? who do you think would be better

for turkey? >> well, you are entrapping me. i'm not going to fall into that trap. the best thing for me is to see the will of the people being served in the united states, the choice of the american people will be the right choice. i believe democracy more than anything else. >> far from being weakened by the attempted coup in what was july 15th. he seems strengthened domestically and on the international stage. what's your impression? >> very comfortable right now. very confident in the way he described that turkish democracy survived because people of turkey have been able to put down this coup. he was critical of the west for harboring terrorists. there's an ongoing dispute with the u.s. in terms of wanting to extradite someone they believe was involved in planning and masterminding that coup. he had strong words for the u.s. for not turning him over. >> i got a quick one for you.

so very interesting i noticed he never mentioned russia as one of -- russia's bombed the convoy. he didn't say it. he didn't mention it. we know that he's trying to make nice, nice with russia. did you get him to talk about russia's role in syria? >> we asked him specifically about the convoy. you heard yesterday the joint chiefs of staff saying they believe russia was responsible even though assad regime may have been the ones that dropped the bombs. he's taking the position it's the assad regime responsible for everyone dying in there. in recent months there's been an incident where turkey shut down a russian fighter jet but in this issue he's putting the blame on shoulders of assad more so than on russia. he sees the dynamics and politics of all of these countries and very political savvy about them. >> nice job. that's an exclusive. thank you very much. howard dean, thank you as well. coming up at the top of the

hour, for three days, three days and counting until the first presidential debate and we'll show you the two different ways nominees are preparing. plus, donald trump begins to make a comeback in several key swing states with the clinton campaign deciding to stop running ads and veteran campaign analyst steve schmidschmidt, ch todd and kasie hunt join the conversation. "morning joe" is back in a moment.

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kid rock becomes secretary of state, are you going to move to canada or one of the arctics? >> i will stay in the united states. try to prevent him from destroying the united states. >> so you're going to lead the civil war? >> no. i wouldn't take up arms. i think that might be a little extreme. >> right. because you were saying before we were rolling that you wanted to take away everyone's guns. very cool. cool. cool. >> i really regret doing this. >> any regrets over losing the scott baio vote? >> not a one. >> it wasn't heartbreaking? >> no. >> but who is going to be next? first you supported obama's transpacific partnership deal and then you were against it. i think that people deserve to know, are you down with tpp? >> i'm not down with tpp. >> you're supposed to say, yeah, you know me. like the hip-hop group. >> don't tell me what to say. >> fine.

lose. country goes to [ bleep ]. this has been a lot of fun, mrs. clinton. we should stay in touch. what's the best way to reach you? e-mail? >> you got mail. >> my gosh. i don't know who was better, that guy, zach, or hillary clinton. wow. >> that was very, very funny. >> that was really good. >> good lessons for her for the debate. >> i always think when she relaxes, that was definitely comedy. she's an elegant woman. >> i love -- >> she had no way to prepare for it and she was hilarious. maybe to your point going in with a little bit of unscriptedness. >> ultimately that debate which we're just three days away, that's all on her.

all of these people have all of this advice. we know a little bit from very much smaller versions of doing stuff like this going out on stage, it's all on you ultimately. it's all on you. nobody can help you. welcome back to "morning joe." it's friday, september 23rd. joe is out with a family emergency. looks like everything is going to be okay, but we're kind of playing for his son right now. who got a head injury yesterday. bellevue hospital is taking incredible care of him and miller saved his life. for a kid, you're a nice guy. only 18 you know. still with us we have donny deutch, nicole wallace, harold ford jr., sam stein and rick tyler and joining the conversation former mccain senior campaign strategist and msnbc political analyst, steve schmidt joins the table. all right. we'll hold down the fort for know. we're three days away as i mentioned from the first general

election debate of the 2016 race moderated by our own lester holt. it will take place about 30 miles from our studio at long island's hofstra university. their debate preps could not be more different. aides to hillary clinton tell nbc news they're ready for "different trumps" that might show up that night including one that might hurl very personal insults. they're also playing some mind games with the audience sharing that billionaire businessman and antagonist of donald trump mark cuban. cuban tweeted last night just got a front row seat to watch hillary clinton overwhelm donald trump at the humbling at hoft hoftstra on monday and donald trump is taking a more laid back approach spending far less time in debate prep adding a campaign

rally in virginia tomorrow night just 48 hours before the event. trump commented on his debate prep yesterday between his speeches when he stopped in philadelphia for a cheesesteak. >> get one for hillary. >> how is debate prep going right now? >> i'm here. >> steve schmidt, your gut looking into the debates as to who is in more danger of having a bad moment? >> hillary clinton is for sure. this is going to be one of the most highly watched broadcasts in american television history. one of the most watched global broadcasts since the lunar landing. all expectations are on hillary clinton. if you look at his level of preparation and his level of preparedness, knowledge at the commander in chief forum was wanting so expectations are low coming into this debate. i think it's totally unclear what type of donald trump will

we see. will we see an in control donald trump that looks like a plausible commander in chief on that stage so burden is on her to disqualify him which is the central effort of his campaign and that cam has hit the rocks over the last three weeks. she's gone through a really difficult time and trump has, you know, more than he has has had had together. >> that's exactly why she actually stands to have a very good night because she's always good when the chips are down. really bad when they're up. rick tyler, you played donald trump in what debates and what did that look like? >> some of the things like his hand motions, you know, they're very easy to mimic. you just sort of dominate the conversation all time and so it was actually a lot of fun. hopefully it was useful. >> we talked about trump being

great on a curve. he is going to be graded on a curve. he has to -- steve used the appropriate word disqualify. that's been the entire clinton campaign. he's unacceptable. he is dangerous. is he imbalanced. that's the basic big scarlet letter they try to attack to him. we're all waiting -- his head isn't going to spin in circles. he's not going to spit pea soup. he's not a dumb guy. >> i disagree. i think that's the wrong frame. i think the scarier thing for her isn't that he stands there and doesn't sound insane. the scarier thing for her is that he stands there and does something moving. we were talking last hour. what if he stands there and apologizes for having mocked a disabled journalist? his potential far -- her skills far exceed him. her knowledge far exceeds him. >> think about what you're saying. >> that would be a brilliant

thing to do. he would get presidential points for apologizing for mocking a disabled person. talk about a bar being low here. >> talking about potential to create dramatic moment and the reason he's not prepping is because his opportunity to write his own headlines far exceeds hers. it's not fair. i think that's the dynamic. >> she needs to prosecute. i'm going to say it again. make google your friend. get the audience involved at home. you can go back and forth. you're lying, look it up. look it up. >> i think -- my hunch would be that they have spent their weekends trying to create and imagine how to create a moment. that's why he's not studying. >> here's the problem with what you just said. you know, i think -- i think she stands to have a moment where she reacts too much or gets angry, whatever. he's infuriating. but i think he stands to potentially have a what is

aleppo moment if he's not careful. >> the temperament she showed in between the ferns interview and thing with zach, she was -- you couldn't unnerve her. you couldn't unsettle her. i hear donny's point but i'm not convinced that's where she's at her best. i think the prosecution has to come while she stays in her lane. she has to make clear i differ with him for these reasons. i wouldn't react to him. i wouldn't respond to him. his primary goal on that stage is to get under her skin right away. now, if putting mark cuban in the front row has some added benefited, someone that supports his campaign enthusiastically, i hope that's not where we're headed. she needs to prosecute this by being substantive. people won't vote for hillary clinton because they think she's donald trump or -- >> not in his style. >> i agree. >> that's silly. >> be the school teacher.

discipline him. >> i would say i think you're wrong. i'll tell you why. i wouldn't look at him. i wouldn't give him the benefit of any kind of engagement because he wants that. i think that's where he thrives. when she stays in her lane, she wins. >> gender. >> i agree it will come across that way if she stays in that lane and prosecutes him that way. >> candidates almost always prepare as if they're talking exercises opposed to listening exercises. so when we think about roger ailes being involved in the preparation for this, what roger ailes understands is that you don't have to score a point in every round in this debate. go for the big moments. be poised to strike when the moment affords. so you look at famous moment with president bush 41 and confrontation with dan rather. how would you like it if your career is judged by those five minutes you walked off the set and completely flusters him.

look for donald trump to come into this debate armed for the big moments. he's going to swing for the fences. he's not going to try to demonstrate that he knows 1,000 little things about 100 pieces of policy. what he's going to try to do is find this race in bold primary colors on a couple big points on the counterpunch. he has advising him for this debate one of the best people in all time helping to prepare him for it. >> who's that? >> that's roger ailes. he understands these debates and television process as deeply as anyone does. >> and kellyanne conway is the one person in his circle who has been able to get him to speak and apologize and express remorse for some of his -- >> i missed these apologies. >> i'm not defending donald trump. my family life is in shatters because my parents support donald trump. i'm just telling you that out in

the country people experience donald trump and kellyanne conway era as someone that's able to go on a stage and s sometimes my words hurt some people. i'm not giving him points for that. i'm grading him on a curve. voters gave him a second look when he said that. her arrival has changed him. >> he's substantially mellowed out since she arrived on the scene. 100%. >> she's really a phenom. rick tyler, jump in. >> one thing that often gets overlooked is most -- there's usually -- people don't usually win during a debate. you do have moments. it's really the day after. it's the campaign's focusing and getting media to focus on what they thought happened in a debate. it's really the post-spin that determines who the winner is. >> okay. i want to look at these polls and i want everyone to try to tell me why this isn't stunning and why this doesn't potentially show that he absolutely could win this election and that hillary clinton's campaign

should be extremely worried. i'll start with the nationals but then we'll get to the swings. new national poll out this morning gives hillary clinton the edge with the first debate just three days away. the poll gives hillary clinton a six-point lead. 45% to trump's 39%. gary johnson at 10%. jill stein at 4%. on issues, clinton as upper hand across the board. better able to handle the war on terrorism, 52% to 41%. immigrati immigration, 54% to 41% and instituting fair trade policies, 52 to 42. on the question of who is more honest and trustworthy, donald trump is the clear favorite leading clinton 44-36. >> can we stop there? hillary clinton has had the e-mails and some questions about the foundation. the list of trump pants on fire lies is stunning.

it doesn't stick. >> that's my point all morning. the voter experience is that his sort of verbal atrocities are l to her ethical trespasses. that's the voter experience. >> they are less heinous. >> remember, i think part of the reason voters respond to him as an honest guy is not because they're grading him on his statements and factuality which is how a normal person would do it. they are grading him on the fact that he's different from other candidates and in some ways he's blunt and unvarnished when he talks about washington and that's the sense in which they find him to be trustworthy. it's not about the fact checkers. unfortunately for me because i'm a journalist. it's important to be factual. >> a street fighter that will fight for me. >> i was with a group of smart and educated and wealthy people who say he can't be bought either. >> okay. so it's not about us. it's not about us. i want to bring chuck in and get to polls i think honestly are

stunning and for anybody who supports hillary clinton absolutely frightening. trump's resilience is coming through in the latest batch of swing state polls showing donald trump gaining dramatically on clinton in states all but written off by some. in a colorado quinnipiac poll, hillary clinton has risen three points but trump has risen by nine. bringing him within the margin of error and trailing her 44-42. gary johnson lost six points. to virginia, clinton's number flat at 45 while trump gained five points on him. a nine-point swing in trump's favor in iowa has the race sitting at 44% to 37%. in georgia, trump leads by seven, 47-40. in florida, trump leads by 1%. 45-44. do we have chuck todd? >> yes, ma'am. good morning. >> am i wrong? what does this tell you?

>> number one it tells you that you do see -- one of the reasons why trump's numbers have gained a little bit is in some places you do see republicans "coming home" that's one of the things you noticed there. the other part of is there's one consistency in all of those new state polls and that's the two third party candidates are losing ground. what is mildly surprising is that trump is benefiting in some of those places more so than clinton. particularly if you look at the two colorado polls. there's a second one that shows her with a slightly bigger lead but in each case you see third party candidate fading a little bit. that's something to watch for after monday night. without gary johnson getting into the debate, i think you probably will see more fading of those third party numbers and then we'll know for sure how many are moderate republicans who will they be convinced that trump is republican enough for them and then you'll see gains for him or do those folks who

are sitting in johnson after the first debate say, you know what? temperament is everything. i'm reluctantly go with clinton. >> nick, how would you characterize these swing state polls? >> amazing that third party candidates are tanking and he's grabbing those voters. a lot of us assumed that maybe they would split and third party voters were liberals and conservatives that would come home. what swing state polls show is something different. they are anti-establishment voters, which isn't surprising. third party candidates. they see clinton maybe as the ultimate establishment candidate and they're going to the other guy who is a bit different. that really surprises me. >> i think the cbs poll that came out sunday the 18th had the number of people who want change at 55%. does that not squarely benefit trump? >> it does to some degree. also we're looking at a

president whose numbers are now above 55% and we're in the territory where ronald reagan was in his 1988 efforts to help elect george herbert walker bush. bears mentioning three times in the last 100 years is that incumbent party got the third term and it bears mentioning here that when you look at that's numbers, when you look at donald trump's august, you had as bad an august, as bad a convention as you can possibly have. comes out and starts fighting with gold star parents. his numbers tank. this race was solidly under hillary clinton's control. she went out on fox news with chris wallace and with the e-mails once again gave answers that were incredulous to anyone that has followed the story. you have the health issues and she's gone through a bad stretch

and this race has tightened. he has upward momentum in some of these polls. when you're looking at a swing state with a lead of six points for secretary clinton, that is a very significant lead. it is absolutely possible that you could see this race tighten to that two to three-point range which is where it was between romney and the president for a lot of the race. >> i think i would make a couple points. it has tightened. the electoral map if you look at these states -- her firewall continues to be pennsylvania, new hampshire and virginia of course. >> and north carolina. >> north carolina is a tossup. even if you took north carolina and put it in trump's camp, if she keeps those states and the others that we expect that she might keep, she ends up square at 270, which is what she needs. my question for chuck though is that we have now two and ap has a poll, too, three polls with

her at about six-point national lead. the national lead versus the state polls, which one is the leading indicator? how do you judge why that one seems stabilized and state one seems closer and how do they follow one another? >> you look at when they're in. right now we're in a cycle where the national polls have been the ones that have been in more frequently. i think normally you would say a national poll might be a lagging indicator and the state polls are leading indicator. this is such a nationalized race that i think that both can be viewed equally and just right now we're in a national poll cycle. i think we'll know next week for sure whether this -- which one is lagging indicator if next week the state polls show clinton sort of ticking up and i think, you know, i think that we'll know that's what national polls who are catching something before the state polls. if i'm not mistaken, i think most of the national polls have been in the field more recently.

>> the consolidation thing, chuck is right on. if you're trump, you say you make yourself the change candidate. the question becomes is how does hillary clinton respond? i think she says change. you want to change to a u.s. that creates more jobs outside of the u.s. and in the u.s. which is what you've done with your companies? you want to change to a supreme court that restricts a woman's rights and african-american rights around this country and do you want to change for president that craves vladimir putin's validation more than our allies around the world. that's not change and reform america is looking for. i hope the piece about mark cuban is true and enjoys the debate. it has to be taking this guy on and reminding the kind of reform he'll bring if we unfortunately elect him president. >> he should say i made more money with you the real way. trump will get so upset about that and start responding. >> i think harold makes a great point. >> chuck todd, thank you so much. what's coming up on "meet the press" this weekend? >> a lot of debate preview of

course with both campaigns. top people from there. we're going to -- look, i think this sunday in the nfl, we'll look obviously at what's going on in charlotte and tulsa. keep an eye on this sunday in the nfl. i think you're going to see protests grow exponentially. >> chuck, i'm available on sunday. i never get the call. i'm available. >> donny at 8:30 on a sunday morning, that's good to know. set your alarm. >> still ahead this morning, gary johnson talks about the importance of the debate stage sort of. we'll see if kasie hunt can explain what he told her. plus, a new entry into great moments in surrogate malpractice. you won't believe this one. "morning joe" is back after this. ♪ guyhey nicole, happening here?

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joining us now, msnbc political correspondent kasie hunt and contributor to "time" magazine, ms. jordan. we'll start with kasie. you sat down with gary johnson for what can only be described as unusual at this exchange. take a look. >> do you think if you were able to get on the debate stage that you could pull even with trump and clinton in these polls? >> i do. and it wouldn't have anything to do with my debate performance either. it would just be that people would recognize that there's another choice and that there would be an examination of me and who we are and what we've done and based on that. i could do not say anything through the whole debate and emerge as --

>> he really did that? >> that never happened to me in an interview before. otherwise we had a very lengthy extended conversation. >> can you play that again? i'm serious. did he do that? >> i think he did. >> do you think you were able to get on the debate stage that you could pull even with trump and clinton in these polls? >> i do. and it wouldn't have anything to do with my debate performance either. it would just be that people recognize there's another choice and that there would be an examination of me and bill weld as to who we are and what we've done and based on that. i think i could stand up there for the whole debate and not say anything and emerge as the leader. >> no. no. okay. so why isn't bill weld at the top of the ticket? what happened there? who made that up? what's going on?

why isn't there a third option? >> it's the libertarian party. >> why is he sticking his tongue out? why would he do that? you were sitting really close to him. if any man did that to you, nicole, stuck his tongue out sitting this close, would you feel weird? because i would. i feel weird right now. >> i was okay with that. >> who does that? >> yeah. what i think about him is that if he stopped talking his numbers would go up. >> no. no. bill weld. >> that's the point he was trying to make but it was awkward. >> the point he was trying to make is all he would have to do is stand up in front of people. i do think this was part of a larger story that we're potentially doing for "nightly news" and we saw bill weld and your point is a good one. gary johnson was defensive because there was some suggestions out there that turned out to be wrong that bill weld might be supported hillary clinton and getting off this

ticket. not the case, gary johnson says. >> it might be after he sees that. >> i was a little surprised. he has a reputation for being a quirky guy. >> anything he said substan substantively? >> the idea is having a third option. he had a difficult moment on this show about aleppo that raised doubts for some people when i talked to him about it he was clearly very well versed in the situation going on in syria. for millennials, he gives people an option. he's fiscally conservative. he would call it socially inclusive. live and let live. if anything he's pulling millennials away from hillary clinton and he's trying to be the moderate republican alternative. i think in that way -- >> i want to know what happened after, if you could find that

tape, i want to know how you responded. people like you, you were here. people like you, the morning of what is aleppo and i remember your reaction being visceral. republicans who really wish they had another option. and it's almost as if you seemed heartbroken after the what is aleppo moment. how do you feel now? what are your options? >> at this point just waiting to see who messes up more between hillary clinton and donald trump. i can't vote for donald trump. i don't know if i can vote for hillary clinton either. so evan mcmullin. i would like to have been able to supported gary johnson. i don't think he's been serious enough learning about the issues. that's my same critique of trump. i would be a hypocrite. there's credence to what gary

johnson is saying. it wouldn't matter what he was saying at all. i was in wisconsin all week watching focus groups and the wisconsin voters especially the millennials were so hungry for a third party. anything. anything. they thought the system was so rigged because it is only this republican versus democratic that they see as essentially the same party. >> coming up, everyone is staying. perhaps the biggest hack in history. half a million yahoo! accounts compromised and later the united nations comes to a close with syria in greater limbo than ever. we'll talk about if there's any long-term hope for the war-torn nation. we'll be right back. 60,000 poins from my chase ink card i bought all the fruit... veggies... and herbs needed to create a pop-up pick-your-own juice bar in the middle of the city, so now everyone knows...

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>> we need a national anti-crime agenda to make our cities safe again. we have to make our cities safe again. we will appoint the best prosecutors, investigators and federal law enforcement officers in the country to dismantle the international cartels, gangs and criminal syndicates and i will stop the drugs from flowing into our country and poisoning our youth and many other people. and if you're not aware, drugs are a very, very big factor in what you're watching on television at night. >> donald trump speaking in pittsburgh yesterday sketching out how his administration would approach crime in the wake of the unrest in charlotte. the streets of charlotte are

calm this morning following the first night of peaceful protests over the shooting deaths of keith scott as a curfew there expired at 6:00 a.m. charlotte's mayor ordered that curfew last night beginning at midnight. police department officials said officers would not enforce it as long as demonstrators remained peaceful and by in large they did. at one point officers did use tear gas to disperse a crowd that had gathered and blocked interstate 277. republican congressman robert p pittinger is looking to do damage control. he represents north carolina claimed the demonstrators were motivated by hatred of white people before later looking to clarify his remarks. >> the anger. they hate white people because white people are successful and they're not. it's a welfare state. we have spent trillions of dollars on welfare but we put

people in bondage so they can't be all that they're capable of being. frankly i was quoting what they were saying last night that i served on your network. their hatred for white people. and that saddens me greatly. >> do you believe that protesters hate white people? >> no, it's the comment that they made. you go back and look at the tapes. the comments they made on air. and -- >> you mean the protesters made on air? >> yes, sir. i was only trying to convey what they were saying and it didn't come out right. i apologize. i have many, many dear friends in the african-american community. >> then there's this. the chair of donald trump's campaign in ohio county resigned after this interview with "the guardian." >> i don't think there was

racism until obama got elected. we never had problems like this. i'm in the real estate industry. there's none. now with people with the guns and shooting up neighborhoods and not being responsible citizens, that's a big change, and i think that's the philosophy that obama has per pet -- perpetuated on america. if you haven't been successful, it's your own fault. >> says a lot about where we are eight years after senator obama is elected president and our ability to push reset button in this country is phenomenal. staggering. >> did you speak to her after that interview? >> yeah, i spoke to her. it was wild. first of all, the facial expressions on each of these interviewers as they are being told these things is priceless. as for kathy miller, i called her up. i asked her to elaborate on what

she was saying. she didn't exactly take it back. she tried to explain that she was equating every form of discrimination -- racism is not a thing she thinks existed before obama because she says discrimination existed. by that she meant sexism and racism and other types of things. she firmly believes that there was no discrimination by basis of race in terms of housing policy, policing practices, economic racism. anything like that. >> the own fault line is nothing short of stunning to me. >> it's racism. she's a real estate agent in ohio and county official for the trump campaign. she's not -- i'm not excusing it. the congressman who says what he said is another bag entirely. and to act like that is what protesters were saying when you went and elaborated on it by saying that they're jealous and

its a welfare state. >> this all goes into a bigger conversation about -- we were talking about deplorables a couple weeks ago. there is racism in this country that people are not exactly confronting. that has been brought up a bit more to the surface by this campaign and candidacy in specific. we're not really talking about it in a confrontational way, in a direct way that we should. we're too nervous to tiptoe around the term deplorable. that's there. that's there. >> empowerment of the alt-right in the republican party this election season. lunatics are running the asylum. this is unacceptable. people in the republican party need to say this is unacceptable. this is absolutely reprehensible and against everything that the republican party can and should stand for. >> thank you very much.

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appraisal of how he handled it? >> was he stoned. >> could you give him more context, alex? you have to play the whole sound bite. >> can i hear it one more time? what did he say? >> play it again, alex. donny, please assess. what's your first thought? >> do you think if you were able to get on the debate stage that you could poll even with trump and clinton in these polls. >> i do. it wouldn't have anything to do with my debate performance either. it would just be that people would recognize that there's another choice and that there would be an examination of me and bill weld as who we are and what we've done and based on that i think i could stand up there for the whole debate and not say anything and emerge as a leader. >> okay. to all young children out there, don't go by that bench. >> what was your first thought?

>> he needs a white jacket and butterfly net to take him away. >> i didn't know what he was doing with his tongue. >> i was unsure. >> are you okay, kasie? are you okay? >> like i said, we had a lovely, very lengthy conversation otherwise. >> i don't think reporters get enough credit for what they encounter out on the trail. >> i don't even understand, was there a context that he did that for? >> no. it was -- >> he was trying to make a point awkwardly. >> that he could talk for the debate that way and he would still be the winner. >> what's preventing him from -- >> i'm just going to stay away. i'm sorry, alex. >> i can't let it go. someone sticks their tongue out to kasie hunt really close to her face and i can't let it go. that's weird.

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general counsel of ending spending and president of the new clinton super pac, bryan baker. good to have you onboard. how do you do this? then i guess that suppoputs you supporting donald trump. >> the ricketts family supported other candidates in the republican prime. >> how did you get there? how did this evolution happen? >> the voters chose donald trump. the voter s in the republican primary chose trump. they nominated trump and pence. now it's a clear choice. between trump on one hand who represents change and hillary clinton on the other, a lifelong politician, 40 years status quo. if people think we're going to change anything by electing hillary clinton, they're wrong. >> but the fight was so personal. >> it was. >> and i mean, what's the sort of interior landscape of how you go from being so personally maligned to running ads against his opponent? >> listen, politics is not -- >> this is politics?

>> right, and the ricketts felt very, very strongly about what they did during the primary. but the voters chose donald trump. and all of the things that were said about trump, people took it into their consideration and they still elected him. we went into some states, we thought trump might lose by five or succpoints, he won by 15 or 16 points. he was the overwhelming choice of the primary voters. for the ricketts, it's not personal. it's about policy. for them i would say it comes down to four words. the supreme court and paul ryan. right? this isn't an election about four years. it's 40 years. the next president is going to put two or three justices on the court. and the speaker, speaker ryan, said donald trump will enact more of my policies. >> but speaker has no idea what he's talking about because donald trump has proven to not back up anything he's said. he's proven to not tell the truth many times. >> speaking of not telling the truth, we know that one candidate is facing multiple,

multiple criminal investigations. we know that hillary clinton as president would enact zero of paul ryan's policy. >> let's take a look at it. the new future 45 ad. >> a secretive paranoid politician who destroyed 30,000 pieces of evidence. barely avoided criminal indictment, was called extremely careless by the fbi. kept lists of political enemies. and is accused of favors for big donors. richard nixon? hillary clinton? >> what difference does it make? >> at least nixon was right about one thing. >> people have got to know whether or not their president is a crook. >> future 45 is responsible for the content of this advertising. >> elise jordan was just on who is a member of the republican party. she made clear she cannot support donald trump. you guys ran ads, as a matter of fact, the ad mr. clinton is running now about calling women dogs and fat pigs, to nicolle's point, how do you reconcile?

i understand he's a republican, but a democrat did things i thought that you guys ran that you believe were as heinous, you look at your heinous register or metric, it would be hard for me to come around and say i don't like that -- i could say i don't like both of them, but what's the thought process. that's probably what people don't like about politics? >> i think that's a fair question. but we're in a new election. right? and there have been 125 million dollars worth of ads run against donald trump and he's still running even and virtually no ads educating anybody about hillary clinton's record. and so the american people face a choice. >> you felt an educational obgigz. you reconciled the -- >> we feel that obligation, absolutely. nobody knows about hillary clinton's abysmal record as secretary of state. everything she touched around the world is a failure. zero growth economically here in the united states. if you continue the obama/clinton economic policies, we're really headed -- >> why not bolster the senate

candidates? why not protect the senate as a check on her? >> and paul ryan? >> a great question. >> we're doing that as well. the senate candidates cannot win, we cannot keep a conservative majority in the house and senate unless there is some level of cover educating people about hillary clinton. the numbers are staggering. it's unprecedented what is spent against republicans. somebody had to stand up and do mng. as for his comments, the ricketts were clear and on the record as to what they felt about some of the things that mr. trump has said in the past. but -- >> as he come back to apologize to the ricketts? >> about what? >> he has apologized i think, or expressive regret to the american people about some of those comments. >> not really. not really. >> no regret. let's just -- >> you talked about it in the last segment. how kellyanne conway. >> there's no specific acknowledgment of one offensive thing he's done or said. and this, it's about human deese nlsy. by the way, people can make

mistakes, but you say, that was wrong. that was wrong to offend a disabled person. that was wrong to compared building buildings to a sacrifice of losing a son in war. it was wrong to say to a billion and a half people, we don't think you should belong in the country. these are wrong human things. that's the deplorable stuff. so he has not backed off on any of that stauf. >> obviously, our record is clear on our opinion on the things he has said and done in the past. but that's not the question facing the american people right now. you have to also compare her record. donald trump is not the only person on the ballot, donny. hillary clinton is. nobody knows about her record. she believes in nothing. her candidatcy is about nothing. >> let me jump in quickly here. first of all, extend my congrats to the ricketts family about the cubs season so far. your group is called ending spending. i think it presums you care and the group cares about the deficit and the debt, right? >> correct. >> so study came out from just yesterday, committee for

responsible federal budget. a fairly conservative leaning budget hawk group. they looked at a ten-year measurement of the debt. trump would increase it by $5.3 trillion. hillary clinton would increase the debt by $200 billion. as someone who just admits you're concerned about the debt and deficit, surely you must be petrified by the fact donald trump would increase it by $5.3 trillion over ten years, right? >> that's a great question, but the committee for responsible budget doesn't assume any economic growth. trump is talking ability creating jobs. >> you're talking about dynamic growth of $5.three trillion over years. >> of course. once you have economic growth, once you put people back to work, wujs you have higher pays jobs, more jobs, the government will collect more in revenue. that's how you balance the budget. hillary clinton won't do any of that. >> you think donald trump will? >> we absolutely believe he will. 100%. >> all right. bryan baker, thank you very much

for coming on the show. >> last time the budget was balanced, it was balanced by clinton. >> bill clinton working with newt gingrich and bob dole who i worked for. a conservative republican majority in the house and senate. >> i believe you worked with joe. >> and joe scarborough. right. >> and me, too. >> oh, my gosh. a good win for everybody. >> an interesting 46 days. that's for sure. >> thank you so much for coming on. go cubs. >> a new batch of swing state polls shows donald trump on the rise just three days ahead of the first presidential debate. meanwhile, president obama gives hillary clinton some advice for monday night's big event, plus the mayor of charlotte imposes a midnight curfew in the hopes of preventing the violence of the previous nights. now calls for officials to release the tape of the police shooting that led to all the unrest. "morning joe" is back in a moment. infinite scalability. the microsoft cloud helps our customers get up and running, anywhere in the planet. wherever there's a phone, you've got a bank, and we could never do that before. the cloud gave us a single

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good morning. it's friday, september 23rd. joe's out with a family emergency which i'll tell you more about in a second. with us, former communications director for knoerj w. bush, nicolle wallace. former governor of vermont, howard dean on set, msnbc political analyst and professor at the university of michigan school of public policy, former democratic congressman harold ford jr. veteran ad man donny deutsch, and political writer for the "new york times," nick confessore. and in washington, senior political editor and white house correspondent for the "huffington post," sam stein, and former ted cruz campaign communications director, now an msnbc political analyst, rick

tyler. so just -- >> full house. >> really full house. joe's at bellevue hospital, which is amazing. >> what's going on? >> much of the team and i were there through the night. his son andrew had a horrible accident. head injury, fractured skull. >> what happened? >> they stabilized him. that trauma team is amazing. thank you. fell down a flight of stairs. so thanks to all the doctors and nurses there. it's touch and go, but we're stabilized, and -- >> oh, my goodness. >> a long night. and prayers for them. so we want to thank the folks at bellevue. what an incredible place. i can tell you, because i saw it myself. all right. we'll get to the news. a couple of notes to get to that we want to dig into deeper. the streets of charlotte are calm this morning, following the first night of peaceful protests over the shooting death of keith scott, as a curfew there had just expired.

charlotte's mayor ordered that curfew last night beginning at midnight. police department officials said officers were not enforce it as long as the demonstrators remained peaceful. by and large, they did. the crowds really did that. at one point, officers used tear gas to disperse a group that had gathered and blocked interstate 277. the police officer who shot and killed an unarmed black man in tulsa, oklahoma last week has been charged with first degree manslaughter. overnight, officer betty shelby turned herself in to authorities and was later released on bond. the charge filed against her comes in response to the fatal shooting death of 40-year-old terence crutcher. crutcher was shot and killed as he approached his suv with his armed raised last friday. an attorney for officer shelby says she suspected crutcher to be high on pcp at the time of the incident and that he was not following her commands. we do need to get to politics. a lot going on there, and it plays into these stories. we're just three days until the first big debate showdown.

and that is going to be quite something on monday night. the latest batch of swing polls show that donald trump in swing states gaining dramatically on hillary clinton in states all but written off by some. >> incredible. >> incredible. in colorado, look at this, nicolle. quinnipiac, hillary clinton has risen three points, but trump has risen by nine in colorado. bringing them within the margin of error. and trailing her 44/42, gary johnson has lost six points. cut me off if you want to talk about any of these. >> colorado is incredible. she's at 44 and he's at 42 at a state with not just a large hispanic population but a politically active one has to worry democrats. >> i'll tell you why it doesn't worry me yet. that's because the polls have been all over the map. >> this is the closest he's been in colorado. >> let's see what the next poll shows. quinnipiac is a good poll, no question about it, but this has been going on for a long time.

now, is there movement? yes. there is. >> that trend has to -- >> one of the other things that's not surprising, especially in colorado, is there is going to be movement away from the minor party candidates because people don't like to waste their vote. and i know there's a big debate about whether you should, but truth is in every single election, the minority candidates go way down at the end because people get serious about their vote. i mean, i don't -- i'm not in panic mode. >> all right, let's look at virginia. clinton's number is flat at 45 while trump has gained five points on her, bringing her to 39%. >> equally stunning. >> i don't think it's stunning atvirginia, for god's sake. >> are you trying to cast this off? are you kidding me, howard dean? >> her base, college educated men and women who sort of have been attracted to her throughout most of the general. >> she's going to win in virginia, easily. >> all right.

you heard it here first. >> look, i take this seriously. i tell people trump can win. i do believe that, but i don't think one poll leads us to panic mode. >> what howard said is true. i have never seen this. you go through a daily thing and see polls and see florida where in one poll he's up by three and in another, she's up by seven. clearly, there is a momentum for trump. it's hard to deny that. a frightening momentum, frankly. >> last week, which is what these polls are showing. >> what you're not keeping in perspective is that this is hillary clinton versus donald trump. and you would just think it would be different. again, the mystery of trump and his connection with people. let me dive back in. and then we'll look at them all. a nine-point swing in trump's favor in iowa has the race sitting at 44% to 37%. in georgia, trump leads by seven, 47/40. tru florida, trump leads by one percent, 45/44. this is something to look at, no? if you're the campaign? >> i'm just -- i have looked at

these polls every week. hu hue has been slightly better for trump than a lot of the other ones. i think one poll does not an election make. >> rick tyler, do you agree? >> i think it's worrisome for hillary clinton. if you notice the independents in each one of the cases where we have comparative polls, they go down, trump goes up. and hillary doesn't go up as much or goes down. that tells me those people are moving. i would like to know which people are moving because i doubt it's the millennial african-americans moving. in a sense, the independent candidates are keeping, my speculation is the independent candidates are keeping the votes that would normally go to hillary, and there's a consolidation of libertarians go to trump. that's got to be problematic. >> all right. this is all, of course, this is the backdrop of three days away from the first general election debate of the 2016 race. moderated by our own lester

holt. it's going to take place about 30 miles from our studios at lodge island's hofstra university, and though both candidates claim new york as their home turf, their debate prep could not be more different. aides to hillary clinton tell nbc news they're ready for the, quote, different trumps that could show up. they're also playing some mind games with the audience, sharing that billionaire businessman and antagonist of donald trump, mark cuban, cuban tweeted last night, just got a front row seat to watch hillary clinton. overwhelm donald trump at the humbling at hofstra monday. it is on. see, i just wouldn't do that. >> that's very cuban, isn't it? >> i wouldn't do that. mark cuban -- okay. >> a piece of work. >> run for president, see how much fun you have. >> we're going to be here in three years talking about his primary campaign. >> fantastic. he thinks it's going to be fun. it's not. here's some of what cuban told

us about how clinton should take on trump. >> he goes nuts when somebody thinks he isn't smart. there's a reason why he always mentioned where he went to school. there's a reason why he needs to have his ego stroked. he just -- he doesn't have confidence in his own intellectual ability, apparently. what i would tell her to do is smirk a lot at his answers. i know they tell them not to react at all, but in donald's case, he's going to notice if she's shaking her head. he's like a school boy. if she's smiling at his answers, rolling her eyes, not a lot because you can't be over the top, but that will get to him because, again, if you question his intellectual ability, that drives him nuts. >> thank you so much. not sure why we did that. i'm sorry to our viewers. i'll take the credit. no. a clinton spoke -- what? >> one of the things trump is doing, and nicolle and others know this. he's consolidating republican

support. this was inevitable. what governor dean is getting at and even donny, this was going to happen. it makes it even more critical and imperative that the coalition that was achieved by obama in '12 and '08 has to be a central focus. i appreciate mark cuban's recommendations but i hope the campaign is focused on what needs to be done to remind democrats what the supreme court will look like over the next four years if excitement, what civil lights legislation and laws will look like over the next four to eight years, what environmental laws and regulations will look like, and what commitment will the country make to public education. that's what's at stake for democrats who think about a gary johnson or even a jill stein. there are huge stakes at play here. that's what the focus has to be on as we head into these final 50 or so days. >> alex brings up a good point because trump is so reactive, you know, with tweets and, i mean, anything that bugs him, he blurts. and they have this mark cuban guy sitting in the front row.

>> a billionaire that bugs him. that's the clinton strategy. >> by the way, i'm very happy to be right there with him. i think the only thing that would piss trump off more than seeing him in the front row would be me in the front row. >> maybe they ought to call you, donny. but anybody would get pissed off seeing you in the front row. a clinton spokeswoman also confirmed chelsea clinton plans to attend monday's debate, but no word yet if bill clinton will be in the room. interesting. meanwhile, donald trump is taking a more laid back approach. spending far less time in debate prep. even adding a campaign rally in virginia tomorrow night just 48 hours before the event. i kind of understand that, actually, because his type of personality needs to actually keep his mind off it, keep busy, have fun. you know, you hear of -- it's almost gender based. >> it's interesting. i think gender is going to be such a big part. first of all, we have the shoot from the hip guy to the studious woman. i don't mean to generalize about

men and women. >> this is okay. >> also, jumping into the debate, that is going to be such a big deal. we have watched trump for the last year and a half howl at the moon, bark, out at audiences, out at 15 other guys. now there's a woman across from you. and it's going to -- we all know that this comes down to the swing voters, the suburban women in philadelphia and washington. if he is in any way hateful, if he is in any way belligerent toward her, that's going to really, really, really backfire. we have not talked enough about gender and how that's going to play on the stage, and if i'm hillary clinton, i'm going to try to rope-a-dope. >> a woman -- i thought his weakest debate moment was when carly fiorina responded to his insult, you want to look at that face? he said something about her face. and i think his most devastating debate performance was when she responded to that. >> what hillary has to do is on the one hand, i think prosecute,

moderate, rope-a-dope, and then goog. let me talk about what i mean there. in terms of basically, she has to have a very measured tone. she can't come out at him. she's got to poke, poke, poke, hope that in some way, he punches back. >> i will just say before we laugh about him doing rallies and not preparing, you think of like the two law students preparing for the bar. the guy is like polishing his car to calm down, and the girl is studying up to the last minute. there's just different ways -- >> she in her own way has to moderate the debate and take charge. and the last thing i want to say, it's really interesting because he lies and lies and lies. >> he does lie a lot. >> at some point, ask for audience participation. say donald, that's a lie. i want everyone at home to google. everybody join in. we have an interesting -- we have google. sitting by people's side. i think that would be an interesting thing to bring in. >> she could say lie. lie. >> the commander in chief thing, six or seven things he said that were untruths.

basically, i think it would be interesting. >> on your point, here's donald trump. he has some opinions on whether or not the debate moderator should actually be a fact checker as well. perhaps point out lies. take a look. >> what would you like to see? a moderator or a fact checker? >> well, i think he has to be a moderator. i mean, you're debating somebody, and if she makes a mistake or if i make a mistake, i'll -- we'll take each other on. >> sam stein, i mean, the moderator can point out if something is blatantly untrue, can they not? >> not only can they point it out, i would argue they have an obligation to point it out. first and foremost, they're a journalist, and i think the idea here is that you try to get true information to the viewers. i know people think that there's a risk of there being a bias. a candy crowley moment, but in the end, you have to point out fact. now, i want to go back a little bit. there is one person in this roundtable who has prepped for a

debate with donald trump this cycle. that's rick. i'm curious if rick has any insights into what ted cruz had to do and what the campaign tried to do heading into a debate with what is sort of an unconventional amorfs political opponent in donald trump. >> well, sam, it evolved over time. in the beginning of the debate, we knew ted cruz didn't have high name i.d. it wasn't beneficial to attack someone with high name i.d. and was very popular. others tried to do it, but when they also didn't have name i.d., it's a losing proposition. so over time, it did change. by the way, i actually played donald trump in the debate itself. so i'm a little familiar with how to do that. so look, donald trump is a very dominant character. he will speak dominantly. my guess is he will actually be very disciplined.

i think hillary needs just to really focus on her performance and simply not make any mistakes. donald also, he's got to keep his temperament and tone because that's the one thing that people find most disturbing about donald trump. >> still ahead on "morning joe," there latest on the peaceful protests overnight in charlotte where some demonstrators were giving hugs to national guard members, and we'll explore why police officials won't release the tapes. >> but first, here's bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> good morning to you, mika. of course, all eyes on iowa, the horrible flooding, but let me show you this tornado from utah. you don't associate tornadoes in utah, but a strong system came through in the middle to right of the screen. these are the winds right near the tornado. pretty impressive. a little hail too. now to iowa. this is where we have seen flooding over the last three days. this was a town that had mandatory evacuations for a short period of time. some of that water is receding. some rain is coming down in iowa.

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there is calm in the streets of charlotte this morning following two nights of violence. police along with national guard forces faced much more peaceful crowds last night. many in the streets could be heard chanting, release the tapes. referencing the police dash and body cam videos of the shooting of keith scott. charlotte's police chief announced the tapes would not be made public anytime soon, if at all. speaking with brian williams last night, charlotte's mayor, jennifer roberts, said officials want to handle such sensitive material in what they call an appropriate manner. >> i have seen the video, and i agree with the assessment both by our chief as well as the family, the family has seen the video also. and it is ambiguous. there is not a clear picture. the body camera, of course, is moving, and the view is obscured at certain points. the dash camera is only a partial view. and i think that it is a

challenge. it is ambiguous. and this is one reason why we want to have time for the investigation to continue to gather all the pieces of the puzzle. >> a lawyer for the scott family said while police did give keith scott several commands, he did not aggressively approach them or raise his hands at law enforcement. here's how the family attorney described the videos to msnbc last night. >> it was painful to watch. not just to see him get shot and killed but to see the reactions on his loved one's faces. what i see on that video is an individual who is sitting in a car, who gets out in a calm, peaceful manner. he never appears to be aggressive. it seems like he's a tad confused. i don't know if he's getting yelled at by too many directions. his hands are down. there does appear to be some object in his hand, but you can't make out what it is. at the moment, he is shot, he is actually stepping backward >> for the life of me, i don't

understand how the mayor, the chief of police, and others believe it's okay for them to see the video and comment and make a rational judgment but not okay for the public to see. i think it's a slippery slope when public officials believe they're entitled to see things and then make decisions so the public can consume it in a way. there's no doubt people will look at it and say in thes perhaps out of the realm. it's a slippery slope for public officials to make these kinds of statements. >> and i think family wishes have to carry at least an equal weight, and the family's wish is for it to be released. >> go ahead, sam. if you're publicly stating the video is ambiguous and not that controversy and it won't be provocative, you lose the rationalization for not releasing it and making it public. it doesn't make sense and you can't hold those two competing views. gh what is the argument for not releasing? >> people are going to distort it and create more hysteria and

create, people are able to put it on social media and distort and amplify things, and people are going to misinterpret. >> that's precisely what's happening without the video being public. people are applying theories to what's happening. transparency would work in the other direction in this case. >> sam, i can't agree with you more. we're asked to take the judgment of public officials as somehow the government should tell the public what's acceptable, what they can understand and interpret the right way. this is more dangerous than not releasing it. i agree with you. >> an independent review board or something, i don't know. >> an independent review board is called the public. called the public. >> yeah. i hesitate to say why i think they might need to wait. but it just seems a little -- >> it cannot be anywhere near as damning at the video. >> the public officials are commenting, police officers, and they have a right to. the mayor, we have seen the video, we're going to wait for the investigation to end. they're offering their own

appraisal of what happened as if we are then to acceptt and believe it. >> the family saw it. i think one reason not to release it is if the family wanted to preserve that moment, the most horrific tragedy in their life, but the family is calling for the release. >> people's imagination is going to be much worse than what's on the tape. if the tape is as bad as tulsa, something has to be done with it. i'm with harold. this is insane to not release the tape. they'll do better, and the streets will calm down. >> transparency. >> mika's point is there might be something we don't know. it is possible. >> but we're listening to the public officials give their editorial comments about this. if they didn't say anything other than we saw it and we're going to let the investigation finish, that's one thing, but they're not saying that. >> also, you can make the point there's an incredible public interest that goes beyond just charlotte and releasing the tape. we're having a national conversation about the shooting of unarmed black men. i think there is a public interest here in releasing the tape to add to that

conversation, and certainly, you can make the case it would tamp down some of the tensions we saw, not last night, the two nights before. >> it adds to a build-up of friction in the community, something we saw in chicago with surveillance videos not being released and not being disclosed at times. and you know, we don't need more distrust. that's for sure. >> mika, i think we're past the point right now in this country where people are willing to take it on the recognizance of officials to take their point. the public should see them. i have to guess at some point that video is going to come out. i'm guessing, but i think it gets out. >> coming up on "morning joe," his case went all the way to the supreme court where and in the end, bob m prison time. the former governor of virginia joins us. >> plus, they had plenty of meetings, but did they get anything done at the u.n. russia and the u.s. will try to figure out the future of the cease-fire in syria as aid

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31 past the hour. after the u.s. supreme court this summer overturned the conviction of former virginia governor bob mcdonnell, the wall street journal editorial board called the decision -- called it the decision of the year,

writing in parthis. a disturbing trend in recent years has been the willingness of prosecutors to stretch the law, to win high visibility convictions. the supreme court issued a unanimous and much needed corrective monday by overturning the conviction of former virginia governor robert mcdonnell. this is a big one for the cause of justice. self-styled public interest scolds will claim this opens the door to more corruption, but it's more accurate to say the high court is protecting against more arbitrary and politicized prosecutions. if routine obligations of elected government can be defined as official acts of corporation, then any official can be vulnerable to prosecution for accepting any favor. this means ambitious prosecutors can indict anyone sort of st. francis of assisi. joining us now, former govern r frer of virginia, republican bob mcdonnell. nicolle wallace, donny deutsch, and kasie hunt back with us as well. well, it has been a while since

i have seen you. how are you doing? >> well, i'm doing fine. i'm certainly not st. francis of assisi, but i do agree with the "wall street journal" and their analysis. it's been two weeks and it's been an extraordinary 43-month journey of heartache but faith. suffering but now victory. unanimous vindication by the liberal and conservative justices in the supreme court. i know who my friends are and i feel incredibly blessed coming out on the other side to have learned a lot about endurance and perseverance and just trusting god and trusting the justice system for a good outcome, and that's what happened. >> nicolle? >> you know, it's so unfortunate that joe isn't here because i think he always saw this really clearly. you had a lot of support over the table. what you said before we came on the air, 43 months of hell. can you talk about how you think you got here? rewind the tape a little bit for us. >> sure.

you know, i have been in public life for 38 years, army lieutenant to governor and a lot of jobs in between. been incredibly blessed to have these jobs. i spent so much time focusing on the mission, sometimes you can take the eye off the ball of things in your personal life. virginia had completely unlimited gifts, just disclosure, just like it is with campaign finance laws, so because of some of the gifts that we received, all properly reported except for a couple golf outings, i think it gave the prosecutors an ability to focus on the gifts even though there was never any quo, and there was never any agreement. never any conspiracy. >> never any quo in the quid pro quo, you're saying. >> it became a quid case to tell the jury there was a lot of stuff so it must have been something wrong. it really was a false narrative. >> i have read a lot about you and what you have said about what happened, so i'm a little bit of a -- what was wrong?

what did happen that you regret? >> well, in retrospect, even though the law, i complied with the laws, i can see that some of the choices that i made, there were things i did not know about that family members had gotten. because i had maybe took my eye off the ball, mika. but i think probably taking the particular loan, the business loan my sister and i took for our business was a big red flag. and so in retrospect, obviously, that was something that was probably not good judgment on my part. and i have acknowledged that many times. if i could do it over again, i wouldn't take any knifts because it opens up the door for people to attach a gift with a routine meeting, a cocktail party. the gentleman in this case got infer. i referred him to meetings. he came to cocktail parties. all the routine stuff of politics. that's why the supreme court said if you accept the theory that was adopted in the lower court, you criminalize routine politics. i think it was a very strong opinion that knocked the

convictions down. i'm glad to be vacated, but i have done a deep dive of my entire life, 62 years. what have i done right, wrong? how can i be a better person? how can the suffering help me be more caring and helpful in public service and helping people outside of politics? so now that i'm on the other side of it, i think it's been an experience worth going through. i'll be a better person. >> what would you tell -- if you had any advice for say if your son want today be in politics, what lessons did you learn that you would impart. would you say stay away, don't do it? do it but be careful? >> high calling of politics is public service. it's the ability to do something good for your fellow man. i think it'ser the highest calling there is. i would never tell anybody not to serve. i encourage people to serve. people who care about others who want to get results and not have the toxic environment we have in washington where it's finger pointing and blame and no results. we need people that are good people to go into politics. i encourage more people to go

in. but be vigilant. when you work hard and focus on your job, don't take your eye off the ball in your personal life. surround yourself with people who have a lot of accountability, who question everything you do, to make sure you stay away from any lines that would give you -- give scrutiny that's unnecessary. >> how is your family holding up? it's rough. that was rough. >> well, you know, mika, in this difficult time, we had four grandchildren. both the first two born on their mother's birthdays. two of them right after a sentencing event or a bond event. it's been an amazing walk with god's providence to have these things happen. in all this difficult time, the grandchildren were a sign to me there is a bright future on the other side of this and things are going to be okay. all five of my kids have a good job. one is with me today. lives in manhattan. so they are all doing well. >> ion't know if they know our nickname for you was bob for jobs. i want to ask bob for jobs what you think of the presidential

race right now. how is that republican nominee working for you? >> well, i am neither a pundit and i'm a retired politician, so i can give you my qualified opinion. this is a different kind of race all the way around. i wouldn't have thought two years ago that these would be the two candidates, and we would be where we are, but people are tired of what's going on in washington. i mean, both parties are not happy with their candidates, generally speaking. at least according to the polls. but people want change. and they want the rhetoric to calm down. they want to get us out of debt. they want something to be done about terrorism. they want respect internationally. we're divided, whether it's race relations, a lack of civility. both parties say we want a change. they picked the people they think are the best change agents, although democrats almost had the real change agent wi wi with bernie sanders, and i think it's going to come down to the wire. >> bob mcdonnell, really great to see you. >> thank you, mika.

>> we were very behind you here. it was -- >> well, i mean, look. i think it's amazing you're back on tv and facing it. you know, and we're all definitely, you know, i don't know, does anyone here want to judge anybody, because i don't? >> thank you for that. you lrn more in life through suffering than through success. >> you sure do. i have a lot of regrets. >> i have a ph.d. in suffering. >> thank you. >> thank you, mika. appreciate it. >> all right. still ahead, a major breach of security at the white house. top democrats on intel committees are saying unequivocally, russia is trying to shape this race. >> at yahoo, what's shaping up to be the biggest breach ever. it's not paranoia if hacks keep happening. business before the bell is next. new clients? let's go meet them soon. in person, we could read the room. on the phone, you're just a voice. yeah, i'm good. for fast rewards, let's book on choice.

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and the world anti-doping agency to name a few. well, now two new big ones. e-mails from a white house contractor's gmail. account hacked and leaked online, containing the detailed movements of vice president biden, the first lady, and hillary clinton, and former president bill clinton. and another major hack, this time of one of the world's most prominent internet companies. yesterday, yahoo announced that at least 500 million of its user accounts were hacked in 2014, including names, e-mail addresses, phone numbers, passwords, and security questions. that's like really -- >> a nightmare. sweating. >> don't even e-mail anything. >> this is going to be the new normal. >> i never thought anything on e-mail was a good deal. let's bring in cnbc's dominic chu with the details. >> like you said, all of those things were effected. yahoo did say, however, that the sensitive financial information, stuff like credit card data,

bank account information, other kind of stuff, other passwords, they weren't necessarily affected. the data stolen, they did say, could now be in the hands, of this is interesting, a state-sponsor group that is no longer inside yahoo's network. the fbi also weighed in here. they said that they're aware of the situation. they're also investigating regardless. the company's advising all of its customers, change your passwords. change your security questions and answers. make sure there isn't anything going on. be vigilant about what's happening. on the password front, a huge deal here. also. one more thing to bring up, keeping an eye on wells fargo. remember the grilling that john stump took on capitol hill this week because of the scandal around the fraudulently opened customer accounts? stump has now stepped down from his role on a federal reserve central bank advisory panel. wells fargo did say the decision to resign for stump came from a personal standpoint. he says his top priority is running wells fargo at this point, so certainly wells fargo, certainly yahoo, two big companies to watch in today's

trade. >> dominic chu, thank you very much. >> you know this e-mail thing, i know i look really old, but if i want to give kasie information about something, i will write it on a piece of paper and hand it to her. then i know kasie has it. when you send something off into the air, how do you know no one has it? i always thought that. e-mail was ridiculous. >> forget it. i have to figure out how to swear off e-mail. >> it's not safe. >> no, it's not. >> i want to warn people in advance. >> it's over. >> you don't want to see what i write to my friends. it's not funny. >> you'll learn things you don't want to know. >> donny, i do not want to read it. >> every human being -- >> up next, after a full week of speeches, meetings, and cocktail hours, did the u.n. get anything done? we'll ask special adviser to the u.n. secretary-general jeffrey sachs just ahead.

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there was a lot of talk this week about a botential cease-fire that wads signed or agreed to within the last two weeks. is the cease-fire in syria dead? >> translator: unfortunately, it is a stillborn baby, a period of 48 hours was initiated, and then a week was discussed if the first 48 hours was a successful one, but it never happened. the hostilities was significa

significantly interrupted. >> that was turkey's president erdogan spoking with ayman mohyeldin talking about the viability of an ongoing cease-fire in syria. a cease-fire that came crashing to an end as russia, syria, and the u.s. point fingers over who was really responsible for a deadly attack on an aid convoy. syria has been a big topic for world leaders gathered this week here in new york for the united nations general assembly. joining us now, director of the earth institute at columbia university and special adviser to the united nations secretary, general ban ki-moon on the sustainable development moon. dr. jeffrey sachs. also, ceo of global citizen, hugh evans will talk about the global citizen event tomorrow, but first, jeffrey sachs, did they get anything done at the unga this week? especially as it pertained to syria? >> on the whole, this was actually a remarkable week. not on syria, but on a couple of other things. peace in colombia, which has

been gift years of war, is finally over, and there was a big celebration. >> war is over, not peace. >> peace is coming. >> you said peace is over. >> oh, no. peace is finally come. after 50 years, i should get that right, right? sorry. so the war is over after half a century. and this is a huge achievement and the u.n. played a big role in that with president santos. second big achievement is that the climate agreement is going into effect, and this is the whole world unanimous, we're done with these old debates. 196 signatories, every country, and this climate agreement is going into effect. that's a huge deal. >> yeah. i agree completely. on syria, though, how does this not become president obama's biggest regret and several other world nations that have not been able to come together on anything with this as the suffering continues? >> it should be his regret. he made huge mistakes in this. right from the beginning because he never should have called for

toppling a foreign government. and when the cease-fire came, the first thing that happened within hours was the united states killed 60 syrian soldiers. and so that was the cease-fire, first thing, u.s. bombing. so it's dreadful, the u.s. says it was a mistake. syria says it wasn't a mistrach. who knows, but that's what brought the cease-fire crashing to an end within hours of it being established. >> all right, so now hugh, saturday, tell us what's happening. this is always big for us here at msnbc. but it's big for the world. it has global perhaps impact. how big is global citizen becoming compared to this time last year? >> well, fortunately, mika, the movement itself has grown to have over 8 million members now. 8 million people around the world taking action to end poverty and achieve sustainable development goals. this weekend, we're expecting 60,000 of our members to come to the great lawn of central park, headlined by rihanna, by kendrick lamar, by metallica,

demi lovato, chris martin from goldplay will be there, usher. >> mike barnicle. >> mike barnicle. >> jeff sachs. >> it's incredible. >> and tamron hall. >> it's going to be live on msnbc, which is very exciting. but what's really great about this year is i think that we have an opportunity over the coming 12 months to radically transform education funding globally. we've got a big announcement with rihanna onstage that we're going to be making on the weekend about education. with 62 million girls still out of school, we need to see the world step up on this issue and make education for girls all around the world a legacy that we can be proud of. >> great stuff, because there again, the u.n. has all come together behind these goals and you're carrying it forward so everyone around the world knows about them. >> shout out to "morning joe" family members who are a big part of all of this. >> absolutely. >> speaking of climate change, you know, my brother works in

the white house office on the arctic, and on the 28th, they're having the first ministerial, and i think 30 nations or dozens of nations are coming together for the first time to address this seriously. >> it's really great. you know, there's a whole world movement. your brother is leading all of this effort, this arctic initiative. it's fantastic. >> all right, so we'll talk about that. we might have you back next week because we're going to be covering that. >> i think nick christophe was writing about this the other day. the stunning positive numbers about i think it was 15 or 20 years ago, there was 40% of the world that was characterized as extreme poverty and now it's down to 10%. so there's so much to be done, but there are stunningly positive trends happening. >> that's exactly right. i met this amazing gentleman who came up to me last night at an event we hosted at global citizen. he was from holland and did this piece about public perception of poverty. he found most people thought the situation was worse. but when i was born, 52% of the world's population lived in extreme poverty.

it's down to 12% today. >> we're going to be watching tomorrow's global citizen festival from central park with the live coverage with ginning at 3:00 p.m., cohosted by willie geist. also happening this weekend, do you know what sunday is, donny? >> you? >> do you know? >> it's huge. >> national lobster day. and i am like obsessed with maine lobsters which personally i think are the best. so i have some maine lobsters for you. >> i thought you were kidding. >> all of these, okay. hugh, will you eat one forbreak. >> they're good for you. they still have small boats in maine. 150 years. cranberry island, a lobster man of all lobster men called me to remind me it is national lobster day on sunday. and maine lobsters are the best. you eat one, donny. >> my normal breakfast. >> i'll see you saturday, guys. thank you so much. that does it for us this morning.

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