skirmishes as demonstrators try to shut down a highway. >> this as the family of keith scott views the police video of the shooting. the big question, what does it actually show? >> did he have a gun? as far as i know, i don't know. >> manslaughter, the female police officer accused of shooting an unarmed man in tulsa turning herself in to jail overnight. >> i determined that the filing of the felony crime of manslaughter in the first degree against police officer betty shelby is warranted. >> plus, why did the d.a. move so quickly? >> and game on in politics. hillary clinton and donald trump in full-on debate prep mode. the big event just three days away. how is each side getting ready? we have the latest.

>> we're going to begin this morning back in charlotte, north carolina, where we saw plenty of protesters again last night, but a very, very different tone. almost no violence. instead, some demonstrators went out of their way to show love to members of the police force and the national guard. a positive sign for those watching, including the president. >> my hope is that in the days to come, that people in the community pull together and say how do we do this the right way? >> we want to give you the latest on the protests and the investigation into the shooting that started it all. and let's take you to tammy leitner, who once again was right in the middle of the action. tammy, i saw you there last night. compare last night to wednesday. >> reporter: oh, stephanie, it was just completely different, night and day. people were very calm last night. it was very peaceful in contrast to the night before. now, they marched for hours, and they marched for miles, and we marched with them the entire way. in fac, we marched along this

road. several loops, i think. the group started as about 100 strong and grew to 500, 600, 700, possibly 800. at one point, they did shut down traffic along the interstate. riot police showed up. some tear gas was set off. they were able to move the protesters back, though, fairly calmly. one moment that stuck out with me, as we mentioned all along, very peaceful last night. at one point, a protester carrying a flower walked up to an officer and said can i give you this and pin it on your shirt. he allowed her to and then they hugged. we saw people hugging national guardsmen as they walked along. that was the general sentiment. we want our message to be heard, and we want it to be heard in a peaceful way. stephanie. >> wednesday night, when it was quite the opposite, i know there was one protester who was shot, as you told us, you were just 20 feet away. yesterday, we heard he in critical condition. what's the status now? >> yeah, 26-year-old justin carr, he did end up passing away. charlotte police were saying that he was shot by another

protester, although yesterday, they said they were going to review the video because there was some speculation that police had been involved in that. last night, charlotte police tweeted out that he was in fact shot by another protester after reviewing the video. >> all right. thanks, tammy. i want to stay in north carolina on those protesters. we heard last night they had been demanding that officials publicly release the video of the original shooting, the shooting that killed keith scott. so far, police have refused, but those who have seen it say it raises many questions, as many questions as it does answers. >> there was not a clear picture. >> it supports what we have heard and the version of the truth that we gave. >> he never appears to be aggressive. it seems like he's a tad confused. >> mr. scott came out of the vehicle, as ordered by officers. but he had the gun in his hand. >> at the moment he is shot, he's actually stepping backwards. >> nbc's gabe gutierrez joins me

now. he's been talking to all sides. one would think if you have seen the video, seeing is believing. you would know the sorie. why not? >> reporter: yeah, that's the thing, stephanie. you would think video would clear all this up, but right now, both sides in all of this, they're telling very different stories of exactly what's on that video. we spoke with justin bamberg, the attorney for the family. the family saw it for the first time late yesterday. and they say that there is no proof on that video that keith scott had a gun. they say that he was sitting in his car when he was ordered to get out by police, that he got up out of the car, was walking backwards with his hands down when he was shot. that's according to scott's family attorney. now, the other sides of this are telling a different story. the mayor is calling this ambiguous. she says it's unclear exactly whether he had a weapon. the police chief is also saying there's no definitive proof that he had a gun, although the police chief has said that a gun was found on the scene.

stephanie. >> is it that ambiguity that is standing in way from police releasing the video publicly? >> reporter: well, the police chief and the mayor are saying, the police chief said yesterday in his news conference he believes it's not in the public interest right now to release this video. this is also part of an ongoing police investigation. you have to remember, north carolina did pass that law limiting the release of body camera and dashcam footage, although it doesn't go into effect until october 1st. so that is why the debate really is intensifying about what, whether this video should be released. demonstrators said it yesterday. the family is now calling for this release. it remains to be seen whether local officials might eventually bow to public pressure. right now, they're insisting they do not plan to release this video. >> all right, thanks, gabe. >> it's a very different story in tulsa, oklahoma, where we did see a video released. and a tulsa police officer is now out on bond this morning after turning herself in on a first-degree manslaughter charge associated with the death of an

unarmed black man earlier this week. officer betty shelby said she opened fire because she felt threatened. video released by the police shows terranence crutcher with arms in the air when he was shot. joining me now to help me understand all legal aspects of this is our own chief legal correspondent, ari melber. here's what stood out to me. the district attorney moved fast on this charge. in fact, the detective working on it hasn't even filed all the paperwork. why move this quickly? >> this is unusually fast. there's two ways you can get arrested for a crime. one is that you're seen committing a crime, and that's on the street arrest. the other is a product of investigation. that usually takes longer. we're seeing the d.a. treat this video as something closer to witnessing a crime. and saying here, that's enough to move. >> if the video tells a story, then take us to charlotte. we've heard that the video in charlotte is ambiguous. one side says one thing, one side says the other. even though they have all seen the same video. but police have said there's

other evidence that makes them feel like it was justified. what other evidence could there be? >> there could be all kind of other circumstantial evidence or testimonial evidence of people on it scene or saw something before or after. you're putting your finger on why people are so skeptical. the police here in charlotte are telling us, number one, this video supports their side of the story. and number two, no one can see this video. >> then what's the law around releasing the video? in the state of north carolina, is it a must, like how does it work? >> they don't have to release it. the old system basically treated different types of video differently, whether it was a personnel record on the body of an officer or whether it was a dashcam video. this law basically tries to make it all one standard, but does not push for public release, only says that someone in a video or a family member in the case of a deceased person, can petition for it in court. this is why people are debating this all around the country. we have more video, but who gets to see it? >> i know we have to go, but then if the video isn't damning

to the police's case, why wouldn't you release it? >> i think that's the question. the premise of your question and the reason why people are so upset in this community is not that we know all the answers. t the video may ultimately show a suspect with a weapon in a position where police could use lethal force. it nay show that. but until it is released, you have the police saying on the one hand we can't release it because we have the sanctity of the investigation. on the other hand, we're going to characterize it. we're going to cite it. we're going to identify force because of it. and that's why people feel these doubts. i can tell you with regard to the police perspective on this, police are right that there are times where it takes longer to release things because you do want to question people. and you do want to question them without them knowing everything that you have. that's a standard technique. but if that were true here, the question is, why do you keep talking ability the video? i don't think anyone in that community is not clear about what police say it shows. >> i'm going to tell you two people who were commenting on

the situation. donald trump and hillary clinton. donald trump weighed in on the problems in charlotte and said hillary clinton shares responsibility for the unrest. >> those peddling the narrative of cops as a racist force in our society, and this is a narrative that is supported with a nod by my opponent, you see what she is saying and it's not good. shared directly in the responsibility for the unrest that is afflicting our country. >> joining me now, chuck todd, nbc news political director, moderator of "meet the press," and ho of "mtp daily." those are strong words from donald trump. hillary clinton has commented on what happened in charlotte but she has not responded to donald trump's accusations yet. how have the event in charlotte played intoeter side's argument. >> i think they both struggled with how to respond here a little bit. i think it's -- look, you see

our leaders, all of our leaders have struggled to respond because this has been a growing issue, growing awareness of it over the last three years now. and we have had these snenlts, and political litete leaders respond and have been very reactive in all this. if you recall, what is fascinating is how much donald trump -- he has brought this up more throughout the campaign, remember, his entire acceptance speech in many ways was influenced by the events that happened in the week run-up to his convention in baton rouge and dallas. so i think he believes the more that people feel as if the country looks out of control, the better off he is and the more appealing his message is. i get the strategy behind it here. the question is whether americans agree with him. >> whether or not they're polling undecided voters in the state of north carolina, could the events in charlotte result in a higher voter turnout.

people are fired up, angry, passionate. >> the atmosphere right now particularly for this debate, there's no doubt about it. i think particularly when you look at hillary clinton, this is -- this is, you could argue, if it's not the most important issue to african-american voters, it's certainly the most talked about issue in african-american communities. this is a voting group that hillary clinton needs to be fired up to show up to the polls. so i do suspect that you're going to -- that the clinton campaign is going to conclude ey need to be forceful in addressing this issue, and so that african-american leaders feel as if there is a reason to get behind her. >> chuck, there's another topic that matters to independent voters, especially those who are slightly right leaning. it is supreme court picks. it sounds like you have new reporting, donald trump is coming out with a new list? >> he is. releasing it this morning. if you recall back in may, just when they were desperately trying to unite the party, particularly wayward

conservatives, they released a very conservative list of potential replacements for antonin scalia. so the trump campaign is doing more today. more conservatives, potential conservative justices he might nominate, including republican senator mike lee. of course, mike lee has been a very notable hold-out among trump endorsers, but stephanie, look at it this way. what's going on here, with the trump -- to me, it shows you that the trump campaign believes one of the opportunities they have on monday night is to get wayward republicans to come back into the fold. so watch both campaigns right now as they both sort of put out releases and new ads as a way of trying to influence what might get brought up on monday night. and obviously, the trump people feel monday will be a success for them if they simply get more of those republicans that have not been supporting him, that 10% to 15%, particularly suburban republics. does the idea of a court appointed by hillary clinton move those wayward republicans back into his column?

we'll see, but that's clearly the strategy. >> chuck, not a wayward republican, but one who has been at odds with donald trump for quite some time, ted cruz. the fact that mike lee is on top of donald trump's supreme court list, does this make you think maybe ted cruz is not far behind in backing donald trump? mike lee and ted cruz, those are homeboys. >> they are, but mike lee, just because lee is on the list, lee hasn't endorsed trump yet. i don't know if that means it's going to change. so let's not -- just because lee is on the list, i don't want people to think that somehow this means lee has endorsed him. that's not the case. i tell you, i don't know, i can't imagine that the guy who gave that speech on wednesday night of the republican convention to vote your conscience, ted cruz, that he would suddenly -- >> oh, charles, stop bringing rationality to this election. that's ridiculous. i have to ask you about monday

night. the big debate. we're all talking about debate prep. hillary clinton studying, studying. donald out there eating cheesesteaks. do you believe that's how he's rolling or do you think you look under the hood and team trump is studying hard? >> they do have a strategy. they do have a plan. he's not doing mock debates, but that doesn't mean they don't have a strategy. i'll tell you this. the one, i think, the one unknown and the one advantage that trump strategically has going into the debates is this. which donald trump shows up. team clinton has multiple people playing trump in mock debates because they don't know which trump will show up. the reason this matters is i think the most difficult challenge for hillary clinton is going to be if passive trump shows up, you know, if it's not bombastic trump but a more passive trump shows up, then it's going to be up to hillary clinton to figure out how to bait him. and because they would like this temperament issue to be front and center in this debate. but there's no doubt the people around trump are telling him,

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release the video. release the video. release the video. release the video. >> you heard it, charlotte protesters demanding that officials release video footage of keith scott's death. but the police chief says it will not happen unless he believes there is, quote, a compelling reason. right now, i'm joined by john barnett, a civil rights activist from charlotte. i know you have been in touch with the scott family earlier this week. since they have seen the video, have you been speaking to them and do you know anything more? >> no, we haven't talked to them yet about the video. it's kind of all behind closed doors right now. we're highly anticipating that. we had something similar to this that happened in charlotte a few years ago and they held on to

the dashcam for almost two years. we want to make sure we get access to the video. it helps with the community. it may save a couple windows out of walmart being broken. it's very important that they talk to the community about what's going on. >> are you concerned the video could make things worse? people who have seen it have said it's ambiguous. how does it help a city that is so angry and upset? >> i think whether it's a good video, so to spk, or a bad video, i think at least give us some form of closure. the hardest thing when we deal with these deaths, whether it's my experience with the trayvon martin situation or michael brown, i attended his funeral, the most important thing is to get closure. at least we know what's going on. i think, you know, holding on to the video is not talking to us, because eventually you're going to have to talk to us. you're going to end up in court. they obviously have attorney bamberg, who represented walter scott. eventually, this is going to come out. sometimes they hold on to videos and hold on to priceless

information like this to keep the community a little calm or sometimes if you prolong it, such as the case of jonathan ferrell, it wears off the energy that people have behind this that really mean well. there's a lot of activists and pastors. pastor may is supporting us wr we have pastors onboard last night. we're going to be generating 100 men this sunday to help the police deal with some of the things going on with the youth. >> even though -- >> i was going to say, we wouldn't have to be out here on sunday or in front of the panthers stadium if they would talk to us more. we have to take time out of our schedule with our families to help the police, and it shouldn't be that way. >> even though the protests were calm last night, as you said, you want answers. people are upset. i want to share with you a moment from what republican congressman rob pittenger said, who represents your state, about what happened. >> it's that the animus, the anger, they hate white people because white people are successful and they're not.

>> okay. now, he later apologized for what he said, but let's break that down one more time. he said they hate white people because we're successful and they're not. how do you react to that even if he apologized? >> i'm actually appalled at that. an apology, my standpnt, i wouldn't accept it. african-americans in this country are people of rhythm and spirit. rodney king got beat until his eyeball was out of his socket, but yet he was stillably to tell america, can't we all get along. when dr. king died, it was an african-american man named james brown who told everybody to stop burning down the cities. in the end, i'm very sincere to say i really believe that rodney king and james brown meant well. but that individual there, that's the mindset that he is. and that mindset sometimes is in the mindset of some of these officers out there. there are some great officers.

my brother-in-law is white. his father is a former officer, but my point is this. there are some good cops and bad cops. i don't think that's the situation. >> we're almost out of time, but i have to ask. do you believe the congressman's points, though he apologized or the republican candidate calling for possibly stop and frisk again. do you believe these events are going to affect the election or how people vote in north carolina? >> absolutely. absolutely. if i was a republican and i heard that comment, i would switch over. which actually how barack obama got into office, believe it or not. three reasons why he got into office. >> do you think more african-americans are going to vote now than were considering voting just a few days ago? >> you know what? i think the voting process is challenging. because we're going through so many chutings in our community, so many death. it's hard for us to get to the voting ballot when we're trying to figure out who shot my son. i know it's crazy to say, but that's far from my mind. starbucks and voting is so far from my mind right now.

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leaving the bomb-fill ed suitcae on the sidewalk on 27th street in manhattan, this comes after rahami's father told the "new york times" he told the fbi to keep an eye on his son. >> and yahoo has revealed that account information for 500 million, that's right, million, users has been hacked. the biggest data breach in history. the data breach occurred in 2014, and yahoo claims it was, quote, state-sponsored actor. hmm. >> and in sports, with or without tom brady, the new england patriots crushed the houston texans, 27-0. behind a solid performance by third-string quarterback jacoby brist. he's just excited to be on the field and crushing it. i happen to love bill belichick's sweatshirt last night, the cut-off, fantastic. >> now we have to turn to politics. the first presidential debate is now just 72 hours away. so what can voters expect from one of the most contentious matchups in recent memory? i want to bring in nbc's kelly

o'donnell, covering the clinton campaign, and nbc national correspondent, peter alexander, on the trump team. kelly, let's start with you. you have been speaking with people inside the trump camp. what do they see as her biggest challenge? >> the unprediikedictability of donald trump is the unknown for team clinton. they're concerned about her being viewed in a way that is different than donald trump. they ask her history is asked a lot of serious policy questions because she has such a long record in public life, and they argue and they are trying to set the field ahead of time that trump gets one-dimensional questions, as one adviser said to me, and might not be treated with the same directness she has been known to experience. i think they're trying to game out which kind of donald trump will show up, and they're trying to demonstrate that clinton has all the preparation she needs, but they wonder if she'll be treated with the same standard. >> all right. gaming out. how about gaming. this whole thing. i want to talk about donald

trump. sean spicer, the rnc communications director, just put out a statement talking, ready for this? up hillary clinton's strengths as a debater. saying she has no excuse not to turn in a nearly flawless performance. is this an attempt to lower the bar? one would think that the narrative out of donald trump would be, she's going to be too tired, too exhausted, she can't make it happen. now they're saying she's going to be perfect. >> thiss just uncht raising her bar. basically saying nothing short of an a-plus performance is going to succeed on this night right now. they obviously come into this, and i was talking to some folks within the trump camp over the course of this morning. they're saying hillary clinton, she's disappeared. she's focused, preparing. she must be resting up. we're having an event on sunday night. we' rudy giuliani will be there, chris christie. donald trump himself said i'm going to be cool. he said, you know, i'm going to be respectful to her assuming

she is respectful to me. bottom line, the trump folks home they can put all the pressure on the or side, as the clinton folks hope they can put on the media to ask tough questions in the course of the debate and on donald trump to come out and deliver real policy and not just some broad sweeping statements. >> all right, kelly, so the clinton team has been preparing voters for which donald are we going to get. you know, donald unfiltered, well behaved donald, but i want to share a piece of an ad that has come out this morning slamming donald trump's treatment, not just once, but throughout history of women. take a look at this. >> i would look her right in that fat ugy face of hers. she's a slob. she ate like a pig. a person who is flat chested is very hard to be a ten. did she have a good body? no. did she have a fat [ bleep ] ? absolutely. >> do you treat women with respect? >> okay, kelly, is this hillary

clinton's attempt to sort of combat, well, donald might be on best behavior monday night, but this is who he has been for years? >> part of her strategy through these ads, this one and others we have seen as short of a shaming of donald trump and a reminder to voters that he has said tngs ove a very big bold public life that only recently included politics, that many people find offensive. she often uses this in terms of how do the young people or the children of america hear these things. and so they want to make that case that he is unsuitable and unfit to be president based on temperament. they would love to see a temperament moment that we would be talking about on tuesday where he loses his cool, says something offensive, goes over the line. the question will be, the trump folks know that this is what they are hoping to draw out from the clinton side, and they're trying to prepare donald trump to contain himself as peter knows well, so that that doesn't happen. but it's 90 minutes without,

there's no breaks. so anything -- anything could happen as they each wear down, the fatigue, the unexpected moments. that's what makes it so compelling to watch. >> let's not forget, donald trump, a man who when he sees in the mirror, he sees a 35-year-old. impressive. how he sees himself. everyone is going to be watching that debate on monday. you can do it right here. tune in all day long on msnbc for full day coverage leading up to the debate monday night, september 26th, live from long island, hofstra university. the debate, the coverage begins at 9:00 a.m. eastern, and the debate you do not want to miss it, moderated by nbc's own lesser holt, 9:00 p.m. eastern followed by late night coverage breaking it down with our post debate team here. up next, a tale of two cities. tulsa charges the police officer accused of killing an unarmed man with manslaughter while charlotte refuses to release the videotape.

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i determined that the filing of the felony crime of manslaughter in the first degree against tulsa police officer betty shelby is warranted. >> that was tulsa district attorney announcing charges against the officer who fatally shot terence crutcher while he was unarmed. betty shelby turned herself in last night, but has since been released on bond. let's bring in paul martin, trial attorney who has represented multiple police officers in high-profile cases like this. >> good morning. >> good morning. this is fast. the d.a. already charging the officer, and the investigator on the case hasn't even filed his report yet. >> i'm surprised by the timing of the charges. i'm not surprised by the charges themselves. it seems appropriate. they're not charging them with murder. not overcharging them. but this officer, but they are charging them with what they believe they can prove at trial. >> that's because of the video? >> largely because of the video. the different angles, and probably the other witnesses that were there.

>> then compare that to charlotte. even those who have seen that video, some are saying it's ambiguous. if you have video, multiple videos, different shots, why would it be inconclusive. >> it depends the angles, the position of the people, the testimony from independent witnesses. we still have individuals that were there that saw what transpired. if it was so cut and dry, with the video in charlotte, they would bring it out and they would charge someone or exonerate the police officers, whatever is appropriate. >> as i mentioned before, you have defended some police officers in high-profile cases. there have been police officers charged. it seems very hard to convict. why is that? >> it's very difficult to convict police officers. one, because our society gives them a benefit of the doubt. something that most criminal defendants do not receive, although they say innocent until proven guilty. the other problem is, the nature of how the defenses that are put forward. the police officers are asked to be put in their shoes and what is their subjective opinion. they believe they were under a

threat, and if they believed that threat is reasonable, then the jury has to find them not guilty. >> well, let's get in their shoes today. some who are so angry about this have said, people are shot and killed and then the police officers involved get to take paid vacations. is that what it's like? >> i'm not sure if it's a paid vacation. they still go to work. they're still behind a desk, but i understand the -- the sentiment that the fact that in regular cases, defendants are charged and put through the system, and sentences to harsh time. but in most police cases, they're -- rarely are they even charged and rarely convicted. >> do the laws need to change? >> i think the laws need to change. i also believe that the way we prosecute police officers has to be different. i think there has to be an independent prosecutor. i also believe that police officers investigating police officers is usually a conflict. >> all right, paul, thanks so

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monday's showdown between donald trump and hillary clinton could have the biggest audience ever for a presidential debate. so the pressure is on for both candidates. joining me now is bill kristol, editor of the weekly standard. as i said, the heat is on, but donald trump is painting this picture, eating cheesesteaks, chilling out, adding another rally on saturday night. do you believe it? do you believe this easy breezy donald trump is showing up, or do you think behind the curtain, though there's been nothing official said, there is a roger ailes scheming, figuring this all out? >> at this point, he's scheming, i'm sure roger is talking to donald trump. 100 million people watching, the

presidency on the line. donald trump knowing deep in his heart hetie shouldn't be presid. maybe he'll choke. >> why on earth, let's be honest, do you think donald trump deep in his heart thinks he shouldn't be president of the united states? >> as far as he has a heart, i should say, because surely, he's not a foolish guy. he doesn't know anything about policy. pretty skillfully, pretty cleverly. he thought this was another reality show episode. i do think originally, this was what this was about. >> you don't think demagoguery has led to people being in positions of massive power? >> it has, but most of those demagogues unfortunately for the world and their countries had crazed ambitions for idealogical things or even troohave power like hugo chavez. trump wants to be a excellent. does he really want to be president. it's long shot, but i like the idea of donald trump choking before 100 million people. it would be a fitting capstone to this presidential year. >> that might be what you like,

but you're a conservative guy. at the end of the day, donald trump is going to walk away from the debate most likely saying i won it, and she's going to feel good about what she did. but if we end up with things tight, what are you going to do? >> i'm going to think of what to , plan to vote for evan mcmullin, the republican candidate. i talked to a lot of people about this in the last few weeks. some people have made up their mind already. some people are saying let me see what the situation is, how dangerous trump is. does he change anything, walk back any of his views. for me, trump can't be president. i don't want hillary clinton to be president, but donald trump really can't be president. >> well, let's talk about, hillary is studying, studying, studying. what is the risk she shows up on monday super prepared and she's like susie from charlie brown rattling fact after fact that ends up white noise, and what donald trump does know what to do is create moments, and he creates moments that end up lasting. will showmanship outweigh

studying? >> he knows tv very well. you know, and to the degree he can turn this into a reality tv show, thas what he does. it's not what hillary clinton does. i actually think she's ahead. and her calling card, the case for hillary clinton is she is competent, she's not donald trump. i think she should never attack him or mention him. the biggest mistake they made is when she gets into these back and forths with him, which is his strong suit. she should say here's what i'm going to do. and we discussed this the last time i was in. if you're in a change environment, you need to tell voters what you're going to change wrer her biggest drawback so far is what is she going to change? trump, you can say he's tough on immigration, renegotiate the trade deals, not get us into wars in the middle east. what would hillary clinton do? if she has a good two or three headlines of what she will do as president that is reasonably compelli compelling, reasonably moderate. ignoring a lot of the left wing of the party and appeal to the swing voters who don't trust

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a suitcase we now know contained a pressure cooker bomb and as you can see here, dozens of people, this is a busy street passed by the bag and one man even kicked it before anybody noticed the device was inside. nbc's miguel almagir has the latest. this is extraordinary. how important is this video to the investigation? what does it tell us? >> investigators clearly say it's important because it places rahami at the scene of the incident. as you can see, earlier, we showed him with the suitcase walking to the scene, leaving it there and later walking away. this is with investigators in the top corner here and wheeling in the suitcase. he brings up here close to the trash can and later leaves it, walks down the street and over a series of time, you'll see many people walk up and down the intersection, the area. one person, of course, then kicks it over and then this person on the bicycle looking like he's going right past it and that's actually an explosive device and didn't detonate and then later on, police are

looking for these two gentlemen that found the suitcase and walked away. may have had forensic evidence so it's all a part of the investigation. so it's important to them. >> have they found the men with the suitcase recovered? >> not yet. there's no suspects, simply want to talk to them but inside that luggage, that piece of suitcase could be important credible forensic evidence which they need to look at. >> rarahami's father, the "new york times" piece. >> rahami's father is telling the fbi he did warn them. said his son may have been a terrorist and there was some incidents they should specifically look at. the fbi, on the other hand, said, they did talk to the father. he backed away from the claims and said his son was just having problems and it wasn't a big deal. >> the investigation continues. miguel, thanks.

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right. that's right. we're talking kendrick lamar. rihanna. the world's biggest stars. metalli metallica, major laser, of course. and that's coming up tomorrow. the best part is here in the heart of central park, in manhattan, you can't actually buy tickets to this concert. you have to commit to being part of the solution to end extreme poverty by 2030. some of the actions taken worldwide. since we launched this in 2012, this is the fifth year and so far, 7.7 million actions have already been taken. the various categories designed to end extreme poverty. 1.4 million actions in health and 990,000 to help girls, to help citizenship. that's all to this stage and starts with you and that's what we promote here at global citizens to make sure people can be a part of the solution and not the problem, stephanie? >> you know what bummed me out is how cool she is, she didn't

mention kocoldplay. if chris martin isn't reason enough, i don't know what is. tune in to nbc. rihanna, kendrick lamar, demi lovato, something for the whole family. nbc.com/globalcitizen to learn more. you don't want to miss it. now i'm going to send you over to my friend, craig melvin who doesn't believe i can jam on it. maybe i will tomorrow on "the today show" with this guy who's committed to never dancing on television. >> you know it, stephanie. two police shootings that led to the deaths of black men. one in charlotte this week and the other in tulsa, oklahoma, one week ago. in charlotte, a third straight night of protests were largely peaceful. we're expecting an update from city and county officials in about an hour and this morning, president obama weighing in. >> looting, breaking glass, those things are not going to

advance the cause. and charlotte, my hope is that in the days to come that people in the community pull together and say, how do we do this the right way? >> the family of keith lamont scott has seen the police dash cam and body cam videos that capture the deadly confrontation and call on police to release that video to the public. what does the video show? what's not there? i talk to the family attorney in just a moment but the mayor doesn't think the video should be released. >> it's not a clear video and i thk the ambiguity is something that is going to be a challenge and i want to have the investigation completed. >> meanwhile, the tulsa, oklahoma, officer, betty shelby, charged with manslaughter for terrence krucher. we hear from his wife and use of force by tulsa's police department but let's start in charlotte where folks s