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consequences, you will not see the behavior change. >> appreciate it. thank you as well. that will do it for this hour. our rolling coverage continues. we are picking it up from here. >> thanks for that and live here in new york, we are 46 days away and counting from the election. topping our election and the video emerges. the wife of keith lamont scott recording cell phone video of her husband's final moments in his encounter with police on tuesday. >> don't shoot him. don't shoot him. he didn't do anything. >> drop the gun! drop the gun! >> he doesn't have a gun. >> the full video, we will show it to you all of it just ahead. it raises more questions than it seems to answer. also on the agenda, what could help shed light on the questions being raised here. the video taken by charlotte
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police that are still holding on to the video they captured in the incident with north carolina's governor. a fair investigation is a top priority. >> we have to make sure there is a fair investigation. that is an important part being done by the stayed bureau. >> hillary clinton tweeting that they should release the video immediately. rounding out the news from the campaign trail, ted cruz reverses course, one of the loudest foes said he is now ready to endorse trump for president. how he explains his shift. we will tell you that just ahead. we begin with our top story. that dramatic new video that shows us the scene around tuesday's shooting of keith lamont scott in north caroline. we obtained this victim from the
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victim's wife at the scene of the shooting, a witness to the death of her husband and the events that led up to it. we should warn you beforehand, you can hear gunshots fired and obviously a very emotional response from scott's wife. here is the video. >> don't shoot him. don't shoot him. he has no weapon. he has no weapon. don't shoot him. don't shoot him. don't shoot him. he didn't do anything. >> drop the gun! drop the gun! >> he doesn't have a gun. he has a tbi. he is not going to do anything to you guys. he just took his medicine. >> drop the gun! >> keith, don't let them break the windows. come out of the car. >> drop the gun.
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>> don't do it. >> drop the gun. >> keith, get out of the car. keith, don't you do it. don't you do it. keith! keith! keith! don't you do it. did you shoot him? did you shoot him? did you shoot him? he better not be dead. he better not be [ bleep ] dead. i know that much. i'm not going to come here. i'm going to record you. he better be alive. you better be alive. over here. i'm at 9453 lexington court and he's these are the police officers who shot my husband. he better live. he didn't do nothing. ain't nobody touch nobody. they are all good. i know he better live. how about that.
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i'm not coming to you guys. he better live. he better live. y'all hear this and see this, right? he better live. he better live. i swear he better live. don't shoot him. don't shoot him. he has no -- he better [ bleep ] live. he better live. he better [ bleep ] live. i ain't going nowhere. i'm in the same damn spot. that's okay. did you call the ambulance? >> as you can see, the video doesn't give us a lot of visual details. we can only hear police warning to drop the gun. she is shouting to her husband moments before police fire shots. also we do not know what transpired just before what we see in the video. the circumstances that led to that confrontation. this video in some ways raising more questions than it answers.
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ron motte joining us from charlotte. one of the questions being raised. law enforcement has been saying they will not release the video they obtained from the police officers on the scene. now that the family and the wife of keith lamont scott put out the video, does that change what the police department is willing to put into public view? >> we will have to see because they said all along since tuesday night that they would not release the video. they believe it is of high evidentiary value in an investigation. with the family, the wife giving this video out to nbc news and the "new york times" we understand is that they wanted to make sure that the public can see the emotion and the effects leading up to the shooting. one thing that struck me about having this video out from the family and what both the attorneys for the family and the
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mayor and the police chief use the word ambiguousuous with respect to the video off the dash cam and the body cameras. they both agree that it is ambiguous uo ambiguous. with the shooting itself. one must wonder if the family is trying to prove something that the body camera video and the dash cam video does not prove. they are shooting the same scene. that's a curious point. this video does not seem to make details any clearer. it is dramatic and interesting to see and heard breaking to hear a wife cry out for her husband who lost his life this way, but if the police video from the same scene and this video are somehow shot at the same time, how could one be ambiguous and the other proving
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a point. that's the question i'm posing. back to you. >> on the ground there, what's the reaction in the community? earlier this week he had two nights to turned into violence and last night more peaceful. any more reaction in the community? >> not here in the uptown area. i'm not sure how many people have seen it. it will probably make its way around social media. the fear is that the people who have been protesting here for the last couple of nights are going to hear this wife's cries for her husband. her screams about don't shoot him and use that emotion to drive their own emotion about police's use of force and head back to the uptown area or other parts of the town. they will protest with at least from where i stand, it seems
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calm. we have more evidence here. >> we can go through it point by point and i want to remind our viewer, 2:12 minutes long and has been filmed by the wife of mr. scott. we are mindful and she was filming the death of her husband. we are aware and mindful. you will hear it here and she is talking to police. take a listen. >> don't shoot him. don't shoot him. he has no weapon. he has no weapon. don't shoot him. don't shoot him. don't shoot him. he didn't do anything. >> drop the gun!
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drop the gun! >> he doesn't have a gun. he has a tbi. he is not going to do anything. he just took his medicine. >> she said he doesn't have a gun. he has a traumatic brain injury. he was in a very bad accident a year ago and suffered severe bodily injuries and head trauma. that is important to this. you are now going to hear his wife talking to her husband in one of the vehicles. >> keith, don't let them break the windows. come out of the car. >> keith, don't do it. >> the officer in the red t-shirt at the side of the pickup truck. he believe he is taking cover using that pickup truck to
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provide him safety and security. that officer is going to be very key to our timeline as we look through this. the next piece of video, this is the tragic moment where he is shot. you will not see the shooting, but you will hear it. >> keith, get out of the car. keith! keith, don't you do it. don't you do it. keith! keith! keith! don't you do it! [ shots ] did you shoot him? did you shoot him? did you shoot him? he better not be [ bleep ] dead. >> there are four clearly audible gunshots. four shots in the clip. we get to the important subject of items coming on to the ground here. people are spotlighting and zooming in on the images you will see at 1:24, we start to see the flicking of some item on to the ground. for the first 1:24 of the video,
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there are no items on the ground. they are introduced at this point. you will see that officer in red with the red t-shirt with the black jacket. he will lean over and he will pick up a pair of gloves off the ground there. you see that very clearly marked by that white circle. this is key to this entire investigation. wh these items were introduced on to the ground, how they were handled by police and the timeline. i want to show you these stills from our affiliate in charlotte, wcnc. you see as we look through this video we obtained, something there on the ground. we believe those to be gloves. the way they are handled by police are going to be very, very important in this investigation. one of the reasons that people are urging the police to release the dash cam video. these are the videos purr portedly circled in red.
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you see the officer at this point on the left of your screen. there is nothing on the ground there. this is the video obtained by nbc news. on the right there are the stills. on the right of the screen, you see police tape and they had time to set up a scene and secure the scene. from the time the video ends to the time the still shots were taken, we have a gap of information. we do not have any video showing that. this is why. >> i think that's an important point here too. i have seen a lot of that on social media. the side by side images and when we say this raises more questions than it answers, but one of the questions raises that gap of time between when the still is taken from the video and when that picture was take
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19 made the rounds side by side. there is a gap of time and the question is what transpired between that? >> the point you are making is important. they were not taken at the same time. you see that with the red t-shirt. he is over thbody. on the left he is securing the scene. very different moments in time is key to the investigation. >> thank you for that. bring in jim cavanaugh, law enforcement analyst. cammy is y i ckam kami, is the central dispute in terms of the facts between what we have been hearing for the family and the errors and the police in charlotte, they have
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been adamant that he had a gun and the family said that's not the case. does this video help to settle it? >> i'm not sure it settles whether or not he had a gun and even once this video is released, this may be inconclusive as to whether there was something in his hand and what that something was. i think the point and it's relevant if there was the presence of a weapon, but i want to walk us back and realizing that north carolina is an open carry state. lots of people have guns and may have them on their person or in the car. that doesn't give officers a license to kill those people. you have to under legal standard determine whether or not an officer acted reasonably and was the officer being threatened?
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>> does that mean from a legal standpoint in terms of how the law would look at this, does that mean if he had a gun on his person, would he have to draw the weapon or if he is legally carrying the go uh to the officers feel reasonably threatened byis possession of that weapon? >> this is the point. if the officers are feeling threatened and saying drop what's in your hand, should you drop what's in your hand. i think having the release of this video is going to be so important, not necessarily for the evidentiary reasons, but to quell some of the distrust that is in the community right now. there has been a huge push. millions of dollars to have body cameras in the name of greater accountability. it seems at odds that you would
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not release this. i don't think that means you have to -- that the charlotte police department has to release it. there are concerns about wanting time to interview witnesses and the like, but at some point and at this point now that there is the other video and at in point soon, the video should be released. >> let me ask you. given what has been out there already, the dispute over whether he had a gun or not and whether they felt threaten and if he did have a gun, did watching this video and hearing everything on it change your understanding? does it clarify your understanding of the situation at all? >> steve, let me build on your discussion. they are right. having a gun is not a crime. possession of a gun is not a crime. i believe he did have a gun and i will explain why in a minute. that doesn't mean it's a justified use of force.
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just because he had a gun, doesn't mean it is a justified use of force. you can see mr. scott's back. he is at the quarter of his pickup truck. as you go through, as the iphone approaches his white pickup truck, it's about a minute and five seconds into it. you can see the officer in the red shirt and i believe that's a hand gun. you see the officer at about 1:08 push it back. he pushes that back and looks down and pushes it back at 1:08. he stradles it and backs up and puts his left foot just to the right of that object. he stands over it with his left foot next to it. that's a pistol and they are guarding the evidence. as it goes through, you can see the officer like when he picks up the black rubber glove, he almost has a left foot like it
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is anchored in cement. he has it there because he is guarding the gun. all of that action sivity is to left. when you see the crime scene tape up and the still shot and the objects that look like the gun in the street, the officer with the red shirt moved off of it. you can even so the gun that looks like the butt of the gun to me. 1:58 into the video just beyond the officer's foot. for them to say this is evidentiary, that's because they know, they have seen the gun in this video. it doesn't mean it's a justified use of force, but they have seen the gun and they said they found the gun and i saved it, that's the gun and they recovered it. what we say, you are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. the facts are strong that there
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is a gun involved. the chief said there was and the officers give multiple commands to drop the gun. there is an officer looking in the window and if you break it down and i know cal and the team will do it, you will see, i think, the gun. that part of the discussion is not what's important. it's more like what you prosecutors are saying. just because you have a gun, doesn't mean you should be shot. >> we do hear in the audio here as jim was saying multiple commands saying drop the gun, drop the gun, drop the gun. looking at it from a legal standpoint. if he had a weapon and the officers are issuing that order, legally what does that do in terms of justification. i'm only talking about legal justification for them shooting. >> yes. so there are a lot of factors.
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eye all accounts we hadn't heard anything about that yet. then if the wife is telling them he has a tbi and they are understanding that to be a traumatic brain injury, this calls into question another issue that we have seen before over the last few years. how are we going to treat someone with perhaps a mental illness or traumatic brain issue that would slow response time. officers should be and are trained to deal with these types of individuals. so a lot of that would be relevant as well. what we will be focusing on as far as whether or not this was excessive use of force is the reasonableness and whether the
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officer felt there was reasonable threat. many times folks have had no weapon and the officers thought they had a weapon and it was deemed reasonable and justified. >> camy and jim, we appreciate the time from both of you. we should let you know we are awaiting the president at a white house reception at the opening of the smithsonian national museum and culture. this follows the first public presents on the keith scott shooting. we will bring you his remarks live from the white house when he gets started. stay with us. everyone said it's so hard to be a musician, but i can't imagine doing anything else. now that the train makes it easier to get here, the neighborhood is really changing. i'm always hopping on the train, running all over portland. i have to go wherever the work is. trains with innovative siemens technology help keep cities moving, so neighborhoods and businesses can prosper. i can book 3 or 4 gigs on a good weekend. i'm booked solid for weeks.
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>> back here we are juggling a lot of news. the scene from the grand foyer in the white house. we are standing by for president obama any minute. he is going to appear and they are commemorating the opening of the national museum of african-american history and culture. this is a new museum set to open and he will be making remarks and we don't have an expectation that he will address the news out of north carolina. in the meantime, big news and the primary opponents.
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and one of the most em bittered foes. when the primary ended, ted cruz did not offer an endorsement and this summer at the convention, he closed his remarks with this. stand and vote your conscious. vote for candidates up and down the ticket for the person you tru
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trust he refused to endorse donald trump and his poll numbers have dropped. then ted cruz is ready to endorse donald trump. what brought about this change of heart? kelly o'donnell is ready to stand by. this is quite -- we generally expect that. why is ted cruz endorsing the guy who said his father might have had something to do with the kennedy a ssz nation? donald trump said i am greatly honored by the endorsement. we fought the battle and he was a trouough a and brilliant opponent. i look forward to working with him to make america great again.
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he said he didn't want ted cruz's endorsement and relitigated all the fights between himself and from the primary season. this is an opportunity to repair the fences that need to be mended that show the highlights of the convention where many felt he went too far and accepted an invitation to appear. and then resisted, refused and in a full throated way, he was not endorsing. that cruised a lot of feelings in the party. i was standing between the texas and iowa delegations and there were those in the texas delegation who were disappointed for not doing the expected thing. if you are a speaker, you endorse the nominee. that's part of it.
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trump has done work trying to sign on to the issues that are important to ted cruz. things that relate to the internet freedom and as we saw today, kind of a revived and expanded list of potential supreme court nominees in a trump white house when there is one vacancy on the court already. they put forth a choice in garland, but there could be other openings if there were a donald trump white house. he is trying to quiet some of them. that helps. trump did two sentences and ted cruz did two pages with a very detailed explanation. if trump loses, ted cruz repaired some damage that he did
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with the party and wants to be reelected to the senate and this is a way to get the support of someone who carries weight with a group of voters. it's a way for cruz to be in good standing with his party and with those who think there is more he could do to help the party when this race appears to be close and 45 days out is a critical time. >> that was starting to come up big on his mind. thank you for that. we are juggling a lot of news and standing by for the president at the white house and learn being hillary clinton. we confirmed that she will be traveling to charlotte, north carolina this sunday. charlotte has been in the center of the new this is week. the videotape of the fatal police encounter just coming out earlier and the pressure on the charlotte police. the pressure mounting on the charlotte police to release that video. here's hillary clinton tweeting.
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she called on the charlotte police to release the video and the family as well. we will see if the charlotte police feel the need to do that. hillary clinton upping the ante a bit. she will be on the ground a day before the presidential debate. as we continue to stand by for the president, i want to bring in sam stein who is an editor at the "huffington post." back to the ted cruz news. i suspect it might be the senate primary. this doesn't seem like ted cruz wanted to endorse donald trump,
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but the extend to which voters care about that sort of thing. that's on schedule. >> sam stein, part of me wonder fist we look at the polls, we look at about a month ago when hillary clinton was opening up a double-digit lead and when he would make his move today. >> it's a conventional endorsement. you turn around a couple of months later and say you will vote for this guy. it is ought timing as well. he is endorsing trump at trump's peak. he was against trump right when trump was probably the worst point of his campaign. he was for trump early on at the
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time when he should have been against trump when he was cozying up to make it a one on one race. there is a lot of questions about his timing and i don't think this is going to necessarily go over smoothly because of that. there are people in the town. they do look at this and say ted is not anything more than just a calculated politician that a lot of people accused him of being. >> waiting for president obama at the white house, this news from hillary clinton, she has been calling on twitter earlier. she called for the release of the police videotape footage and
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now she will be there on sunday. she sees this as something she wants to focus on in her campaign. >> not to get too cynical about th this, but hillary clinton needs the support of nonwhite voters. especially in north carolina. where she is behind right now. this will probably help with that. this is a potent issue on both sides. i don't think it does them any good to go for fairly obvious reasons. this is a smart way to reinforce that. >> in terms of the effect in the presidential race, she will be in charlotte and the next day with donald trump for the debate. i imagine this issue will be coming up most likely.
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>> i was there and i spoke to the concerned people in the community. maybe potentially family members and it gives her the aura of being active and hands on. maybe trump would benefit from that. we are starting to see that. hillary clinton has been taking the approach and calling for the videotape. donald trump made a very cavalier suggestion that drugs were involved. mike pence said they needed to back off the charges and starting to see the real fault lines and imagine that they would continue to play in monday's debate. >> sam stein in front of the white house. thank you both for joining us. the waiting game is on in the white house. any minute now, the president is
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it may be called endless... ...but that doesn't mean it'll last. here are the headlines of the half hour. the wife of keith scott releasing video showing the moments immediately leading up to and after the shooting, raising many more questions about the incident and what was found at the scene. charlot charlotte donald trump meanwhile received the endorsement from his former rival ted cruz: a lot of bad blood between them after ted cruz refused to endorse him at the convention saying i don't support people who attack my wife and family. the architect of bridge gate
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taking the stand today at federal court in newark. a former top appointee of chris christie at the port authority of new york and new jersey saying his actions and all of the actions of the new jersey officials at the port authority were designed to be of benefit to chris christie. we are now just three days away from the first presidential debate and hillary clinton and donald trump will be on the stage together. the first time ever. heading into that big debate, where this race stands and who has the most to gain and lose. here you go. these are the new national polls. they had good news in the polls and last week after they had that health incident, we saw a tightening and donald trump moving close to her, but this week a different story.
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hillary clinton up seven in the "wall street journal" poll, a-point lead and you average all the polls out there together, hillary clinton has a three-point lead. that is larger than she had last week. hillary clinton improved her position this week. one of the issues and the problems donald trump has is there may be a ceiling here that he is up against. a lower ceiling of support and it seeps that way. look at it this way. polls have come out where she greets 48% or more of the vote. nine polls have shown her with 48% or more. for donald trump zero. no polls have shown him reaching that high. some are closer than others, but what generally happens is when they are close, it's not because support is rising, it's because hillary clinton support is
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falling. donald trump has been stuck in the high 30s, low 40s in this race. that raises a very serious question for donald trump and that is how many voters are permanently unwilling to support him. does he have a ceiling that is lower than hillary clinton's. there is a suggestion he might have a ceiling problem. as we head into the debate, hillary clinton has the lead. donald trump needs to make things happen. maybe a misstep from hillary clinton or something. she goes in with the lead like baseball. the tie goes to the runner in the debate. that's a bad med for anyway. still to come, three days away from the debate at hofstra university. how can that shake the remainder of the campaign? we will look at past debate moments that changed the trajectory of the race or
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you are already the oldest president in history. >> i am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience. >> ronald reagan in 1984, one of the most famous moments in presidential debate history. they can easily tip the scales in a candidate's favor. gaffes and freezing can be damaging for voters on the fence. as we head into the debate, i want to bring in a veteran of presidential politics, the chief consultant that john kerry and al gore and now a political professor at the university of southern california. i love coming in with that reagan clip. you see mondale. he laughs. you can see that moment he knows
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reagan got off a killer line. >> he couldn't do anything else. he had no choice but to laugh at this. reagan had a terrible first debate. he was creating doubts in the minds of people. they overprepared him and stuck to be substance in his head. >> he was going to go blank there. he had a great line and it was prepared. they knew they were going to get an age question and they swept it away. >> if you can pull off the delivery and it helps if you are a former actor. that's one way to win the debate. i want to show another famous moment. you are with the gore campaign in 2000. al gore in the third presidential debate approached george w. bush on stage. i want to play that and ask you about it. let's take a look. >> i can get something positive done on behalf of the people.
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that's what the question in this campaign is about. it's not what's your philosophy and position on issues, but can you get things done? i believe i can. >> that head nod for bush makes me chuckle. this is an interesting lesson in body language. >> you shouldn't invade your opponent's space. that happened in the first debate. the third debate there was a line. they insisted there be a line down the floor and you couldn't go over that line. gore walked up to that line. the third debate, i don't mind looking at it at all. gore did very well. we were on a come back at that point. if it hadn't been for the screwy ballot in florida, he would have been president. >> the first debate? >> al gore was reacting to it. i'm curious.
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what was the thinking? was that a strategic move? he went to the edge of the line. >> this was fresh on people's minds and in 2012, the final debate and i believe this was president obama, mitt romney and the moderator got involved. this is something that a lot of people around hillary clinton want to see. let's take a look back at that. >> the president just said something which is that on the day after the attack he went in the rose garden and said this was an act of terror. you said in the rose garden the day after the attack it was an act of terror. it was not a spontaneous demonstration. >> please proceed, governor. >> i want to make sure we get that for the record. it took the president 14 days
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before he called the attack an act of terror. >> can you say that louder? >> he did call it an act of terror. par. >> the clinton campaign and supporters are calling for the moderators to play a more aggressive this time. this is somebody who has been around before. i'm going to have to interrupt my own question. we said we are keeping an eye on the white house and the president is there. thank you for this abbreviated segment and what the president has to say. >> it feels like one of our house parties. there is no dancing this afternoon. we are here to acknowledge the
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extraordinary achievement by lonnie bunch. and everybody who helped make this day possible. now, i want to just talk about lonnie for a second. when lonnie first came from chicago to start working on this museum, he couldn't find somebody to give him a key to his office. nobody had heard of this museum. now you cannot miss it. a breathtaking building in the hear heart. the wisdom, the dedication, the savvy, the ability to make
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people feel guilty. the begging. the deal making and just the general street smarts of lonnie. his entire team. please give him a big round of applause. this is also about more than lonnie. this is about people who for more than a century advocated and organized and raised funds and donated artifacts so that the story -- could take its rightful place in our national memory. it's a story that is full of tragedy and setbacks and great
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joy and great victories. it is a story that is not just part of the past, but alive and well in every corner of america. that's certainly true today this this house. a house that was built by slaves. now, i can't name everybody that is here. i will have to give you a taste. right now madam tussong would be jealous. we have quincy jones and dick gregory and felicia rashad. we have the first black woman in
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space. may jamison. and we have the woman who owns the universe, oprah winfrey. we have got those drum majors for justice like john lewis. and andrew young. and ct vivian. and jesse jackson. and we have the next generation of warriors for justice like brittany packard and ray mckissy. we have personal heroes of mine like harry belafonte. who still is the best looking man in the room at 90 something years old. i'm just telling the truth. so this is an extraordinary group. but the thing about this museum is that it's more about -- it's
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more than telling stories about the famous. it's not just about the icons. there is plenty of space for harriet tubman and dr. king and mohamed ali. what makes it so powerful and visceral is that it's the story of all of us. the folks whose names you never heard of. but whose contributions day after day, decade after decade combined to push us forward and the entire nation forward. it's the maids who decided i'm tired of segregation and i'm going to walk for my freedom.
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those who not only worked tirelessly, but helped bring about the organization that led to better working conditions for all americans here in the united states. it's about our moms and grandparents & uncles and aunt who is just did the right thing. raise great families. they have assaults on their dignity. for what it has been like to live in that tiny cabin and those who dared to marry even though it was illegal lo to do so and folks forced to sit in the back of a train and went about their business anyway and tried to instill in their
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children a sense that this is not who we are. and there is going to be more some day. you see it in the men and the women who rushed to the war fronts to secure all the freedom and understanding that when they came home they might not yet with free. the student who is walked past angry crowds to integrate the schools. the families huddling around the bible. everybody here has somebody in mind when we think of those kinds of folk who is couldn't make it to this room, but whose stories are our stories. and whose stories are represented at this museum. it might be ann set offer who
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ran to freedom or aunt or uncle who pushed back or a friend who marched or sat in or young people who are organizing against cynicism today. the point is that all of us cannot forget that the only reason we are standing here is because somebody, somewhere stood up for us. stood up when it was risky and when it was not popular and somehow standing up together managed to change the world. you know, the timing of this is fascinating. because in so many ways it is the best of times, but in many
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ways -- >> that's the opening of the museum of african-american history and culture thea the white house. that will do it for us this hour. mtp daily starts right now. >> if it's friday, it's three days until the first trump-clinton event and they are looking to frame the monday face off. tonight, which trump will show up to monday's debate? >> i'm going to be very respectful of her. >> you have to be prepared for wacky stuff that comes at you. >> how both are preparing for the big event by jiping up their bases and working the rest. >> teflon don. what's fatal for most politicians has no effect on the loyal supporters. the real reason