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lead by in one and trail by in another on the same day. this is m trtp daily and it sta right now. >> good friday evening. just three days until the presidential debate, we are getting a clearer picture of each candidate's strategy. both carry risks with everything on the line. the clinton campaign is betting on a trump melt down by sticking mark cuban in the front row. it's a not so subtle remind they're cuban mocked him as off the reservation. you can see he called trump many other things that we can't say on television. perhaps the ugliest thing as far as trump is concerned is someone who is not a real billionaire. they are out hammering home trump's temperament issues when it comes to his rhetoric about

women. >> i would look her in that fat ugly face of hers. she is a slob. she ate like a pig. a person who is flat chested is hard to be a 10. does she have a good body? no. >> here's the risk. what if temperamental trump doesn't show up and clinton can't draw him out at the debate? this is the campaign's best and maybe only shot at a pure knockout blow if the person they have been portraying is the guy who shows up on monday night. the big risk is trying to predict an unpredictable foe compared to clinton's prep. no clinton stand ins and no doubts. trump's debate advisers tried to show video, but he thought every answer he gave was perfect. that's why the campaign is hitting the airwaves to reassure

the supporters that everything is under control. we are talking about practice? >> so many of these politicians go into a room and they memorize cards and spew out the lines in front of a mirror. >> i don't think he is locked up in a cabin and cramming their heads with mike chips and binders. >> he is going to bring it like he did in the republican debates. >> they are attempting to fire up their own base. hillary clinton ripped a page by proposing to raise estate tax on the wealthiest households. donald trump's nominees will be mike lee of utah who still has not endorsed trump. that was cited as the most important reason for this head turning endorsement, ted cruz who called trump a narcissist, a

liar, coward, a bully now says he will vote for him anyway and cited as his number one reason that supreme court vakancey and the fact that mike lee was on trump's list. let's talk about debate prep. they helped plenty of candidates prepare for debates including mitt romney. he was the director of messaging for the mccain campaign. good to see you. >> good to be with you. >> let's focus on this temperament issue. it's possible that the trump campaign is blowing smoke and they really are doing a lot more prep work than they are letting on. trump likes the idea that the public thinks he doesn't need prep. how do you prep someone on temperament? >> i don't think you can expect if you run through the scenarios with which he might be confronted. he played himself pretty much

and hasn't minced words in the debates. if the donald trump that talked about new york values with ted cruz shows up, it could be a long night for hillary clinton. if the donald trump from the valentine's day massacre shows up, he could be in trouble. it just depend fis if he is ablo stay on message rather than take the bait from secretary clinton. >> he never had a one on one debate and i'm sure you prepared people who have never done that one on one debate before. what is the hardest thing to get used to with the group environment versus the one on one? >> in the primaries, quick answers. 60 seconds, 90 seconds and you are moving on. in these presidential debates, they have a longer time to

develop their answers. he has to get comfortable with talking about policy and being able to explain his positions. the bar is rather low. if he doesn't have an aleppo moment and shows he has a relatively good or average command of the issues, he will probably pass that bar. he is like the guy that is the band with the one-hit wonder. everybody is showing up to the concert wondering what the rest of the music sounds like. if he doesn't, it could be a long night for him. >> he gets bored with that kind of -- it's funny you say that one-hit wonder stuff. trump sometimes tried to be a different candidate in the primary debates. you can tell that's not who he is. all of a sudden the performer showed up. >> par are he is great with the

one-liners. can he carry forward a 90 minute debate. can she up her game and presentation? they both have big challenges. >> we will go on the clinton side, but let me ask you the final question. frank wrote a memo of advice and had an interesting idea. he said if he were advising trump, he would make among the first items in his opening statement. he would have trump apologize to the khan family. >> i think we have moved on since that issue. i don't think bringing that issue back into the debate is going to be helpful to him. you never bring up your own defense. you want to stay on offense. debates are about who is the most aggressive candidate in the

debate for 90 minutes. you don't top the put yourself on defense. trump needs to stay on offense. he just can't be offensive. that is the line he has to walk in the debate. >> there you go with your own one-liner there. go on offense and not be offensive at the same time. well played, sir. thank you very much. let's talk about hillary clinton. i am joined by the president for the center of american progress and the policy director for the 2008 campaign and director of american policy for the obama white house. >> great to be with you. >> let me start with this. the chief challenge for hillary clinton which is making sure, i guess, that a bottom bastic donald trump is who she is facing off with. what happens if passive donald trump shows up. >> she thinks of this as an opportunity to talk about her

agenda and policies and she will try to make clear to the american people where donald trump has stood on a variety of issues throughout the campaign. i think that will be the chief objective which is to just ensure that people get a sense of her vision and values. she is not going to roll over if donald trump is saying things that are not true. it was hard to get through a primary debate for more than five minutes where he was not saying something inaccurate. that will be a question for the moderator as well as the media in its evaluation as well. >> let's focus on the candidate and hillary clinton. if you are her and she has not been afraid to go make it a first. in the first debate, she cutoff martin o'malley's legs in a hurry and vis rated him quickly

and made him a non-factor before he had a chance to become a factor. she came across easily as the most prepared person on the stage. is there a risk if she goes too negative and trump doesn't take the bait. >> you have to have a good feel of what it's like. she has done a lot of one on one debates. the one on one debates are generally substantive. that's a big challenge. general election debates historically have been in which you talk about the issues. what you are going to do on the economy and foreign policy. there is less why are you sinking in the polls? she is prepared for any kind of way he will be or attacking. hillary clinton is more excited

than some people to talk about what she would do to bring change to people's lives to improve people's lives and address the challenges they are facing. >> if you watch the advertising and the new ad today, the entire message of the campaign right now is donald trump is temperamentally unfit to be president of the united states. if that is not the impression you get after the debate is not a problem. >> i would disagree a little bit. hillary did a speech this week on issues around the disability community and they addressed the concerns and it was a positive speech and a lot of advertising that is positive about her record. the truth is she is running against someone who is

temperamentally unfit. that was for the first time in 100 years. the issues where she stands, people will be able to judge for themselves. which candidate is more prepared to be president of the united states and day one today. >> great to be with you. >> let me bring in the panel. the republican deal maker and believe was also involved in the mitt rom me presidential debate

sessions. i'm going to start with you. i'm going to the ted cruz news. it is -- i am surprised. this shouldn't be news and this was. >> it's significant and it helped shore up support on the hard right who had concerns about him for a while. they had been in discussions for a few weeks when i was on the plane covering trump last week. thinking ahead to 2020. >> he has a lot of people helping him that were ex-cruz people. i can't help but wonder if there were a lot of people ganging up

on cruz. i think that's true and it's right. the notion of the reminder of the loyalty pledge this week had something to do with that as well. >> i want to get to debates and as a messaging person, i want to play a potpourri of clinton advertising. >> the reason a lot of clan members like it, they believe me. >> you can tell them to go [ bleep ] themselves. >> donald trump doesn't see people like me. he just sees disability. >> how would you answer that? what sacrifice have you made? >> i built great structures and had tremendous success. >> he is a xenophobic religious bigot. >> do i want a person of that temperament control of the nuclear codes. >> all it takes is just one

mistake. >> i would bomb the [ bleep ] out of them. >> that is just from seven different ads. if you live in a swing state, you have seen all of them. >> what if that trump is not on stage. >> that are influences how people are going to be minute night. it was interesting in 2012. we came into the first debate and mitt romney had about as bad of a september until donald trump went through august. he had the 47% comment and unsure and not sure footed around the incidents around benghazi and national security. people expected him to insult half the american people. he is a good debater.

that didn't change the dynamic of the race. hillary clinton knows what she needs to do. she needs to come in and communicate with the american people where she wants to lead this country. it's her best chance to do it unfiltered. that's important for her. if donald trump doesn't show up, it doesn't mean she will show up like that the next day. >> it's clearly to me the temperatutem temperament card is not everything. >> when he gets bored, he gets agitated. that's a long time for him. he thinks about his events like a producer. he is thinking about the theatrics and the lines. >> the danger zone in any debate is what happens in this longer answer format. you contrast the hillary clinton who will have 17 proposals to

talk out. and does he have the substance. it seems like you are not filling it. >> it will be interesting. let's take a break. keep it here. on msnbc, starting at 5:00 p.m. eastern, our team will preview the first presidential debate and we will have all day coverage from hofstra university. the debate is moderated by our own lester holt. all of that. we'll be right back. americans are buying more and more of everything online. and so many businesses rely on the united states postal service to get it there. because when you ship with us, your business becomes our business. that's why we make more ecommerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country.

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the justice against sponsors of terrorism. that allows families of 9-11 victims to file lawsuits against the country of saudi arabia. president obama believes the bill could set a dangerous precedent. they note that it could compromise immunity protections and make diplomats vulnerable. some of the families believe saudi arabia funded the attacks and they found no evidence the saudi government was involved. there is enough support that president obama could receive his first veto override.

this is veto number 12 for the president. hillary clinton said they would sign the legislation if it hit her desk. the senator is a cosponsor of the bill. the democrat from delaware. senator, welcome back. >> thank you, chuck. >> there is a lot of emotion behind this bill. it's personal to a lot of families of 9/11. what did you say to the white house and given your close ties to the vice president and things like that? what did you say in the argument that said you are opening up a pandora's box here? >> it's difficult for me to go against president obama and vice president biden on an issue of national security. they raised concerns about unintended consequences.

i weighed them carefully. i think the reason this bill passed the senate and the house unanimously was that many of us heard directly from the families of 9/11 victims. i have always stood strongly by the idea that americans who are victims in tragic incidents in the united states should have their day in court. i have not seen compelling evidence that the saudi government was behind 9/11. there was suggestion of ties and ro a role in the support of al qaeda that i think 9/11 families deserve their chance to make their case. >> do you believe a court will believe there is enough evidence to have a trial? to think that victims ought to have their day in american courts. we will let a judge decide. i reviewed a fair amount and i

don't think ultimately that the saudi government supported 9/11, but there are a number of different threads and suggestions that i think deserve to be more fully examined in a court of law. >> when will had end? does this mean that other countries would find themselves where families of terrorist attacks and other countries? who would get held accountable for somebody who feels as if the french government let them down. for instance on security if they died in a terrorist attack in france. would you be supportive of something like that? >> what this bill does is to open an exception where the americans were the victims. i do think that secretary kerry and the president and vice president made a strong case that there are proteshl unintended consequences. we haven't seen them yet take

the actions, but i have listened to their concerns and i don't think they are without merit. when you look at the bedrock principal of access to justice for americans, particularly towards a harm or a wrong that occurred in the u.s. it's hard to say that we are not going to give them a chance of making their case. let's not pretend they are an easy happy. >> absolutely. i had a chance to meet with the soughty foreign minster this week. i listened closely to his concerns and it's part of why i chose to support moving ahead with the sale to saudi arabia. there was a vote about that this

week. this is an important alliance and friendship for us. i did suggest to them that it's my hope there will be another path found for resolving the claims of 9/11 families. this includes an exception that allows the administration to put on hold claims for 180 days if there are good faith negotiations under way. i do think at the end of the day, i have to put the interests of american citizens and the families of 9/11 victims first as i take seriously the real strain this will put on our relationship with the kingdom of saudi arabia. >> is this an attempt to get money or hold them more accountable in another way? >> i can't speak to the motivations of victims who pressed this. they have many of them received compensation through u.s. taxpayer dollars. the families i have met with

have a range of concerns. the long support by the saudis is something that deserves to be further challenged. bob kerry who served on the division had an editorial this week. there is a lot of motivations at work. thanks for coming on. >> still ahead, why can donald trump say things that would sink any other candidate and not get hurt at all? stay tuned?

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you can hear gunshots off camera. scott's wife said show went to retrieve her cell phone charger and the incident started when she came outside. we don't know what happened prior to the start of this video. joining me now from charlotte is ron mott. would this release of the video by the family motivate the authorities to say okay, we should do it too and not let this sit out there? obviously the answer is no right now. >> no, in fact the answer is yes just in the last helpful hour. the mayor reversed her position from last night when she does an interview on the air at 11:00 eastern. the position had been all along that they would not release this video and it appears that position has changed because the mayor said i urge the investigative -- she respects the process and wants to ensure

the sbintegrity. to release this information to the public as quickly as possible. secretary clinton is asking for the release of the tapes. what's interesting is that both the family and the attorneys for the family when they view this material agreed with the government that the shooting itself in those dash cam and body cam videos is not conclusi conclusive. the release of this tape that doesn't show mr. scott being shot and cannot be considered conclusive, but it is dramatic. >> that was a carefully worded statement that seemed to imply that they wouldn't still be released until they wrapped up the investigation. it does seem to imply that, yes? >> as quickly as possible. and she is under the impression that given that the family

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with putin. all of that would be problematic. you get the picture. he is bucking campaign norms. you have been the star for the last 15 months. i start with you. it is perplexing and the lesson is don't make one gaffe, make a million. >> make it part of your loveable self. your run for president. what's clear is that donald trump tapped into a vain that none of the others have fallen into. he managed to put together a campaign by any of the others are steam rolled at this point and the polls are tightening. it's a statement about us as consumers.

>> it is interesting. we get attacked in the media and you don't cover them enough. look at the polls. we covered it a lot. they think we cover it too much. what is the unintended consequence. what it means for the future. >> what's interesting. we don't know if there will be a counter reaction or if there will be a slightly smarter and more polished trump-like person running in 2020. >> some people thought that's mark cuban. >> trump 2.0 but without the trumpness to it. i think that everybody at the end of this campaign is going to take that step back. i think that the media will have to look at the traditional model. everybody covers the campaigns that works and given the changes in technology and the ability of candidates to communicate around you to people and to use the media really to just go out

there and say whatever they want protected. it is not just where he gets his own position, but where he out right lies. the clinton campaign worries about the double standard. i hear you there, but at the end of the day, the voters and the viewers are choosing to see it, acknowledge it and ignore it anyway. >> part of the problem and trump is not a traditional republican. because he is not running as an idea log, she almost a nonpartisan populous in the way he presents himself to the public. is that makes it difficult to

pin down. >> one important thing about the debates, they are an unfiltered look at the candidates. they are through the media or 30 second adds or one-minute ads. this is a chance to see the candidates without any of the filters for 90 minutes in a more long form thoughtful discussion. these debates are so crucial. you have the two least popular candidates in history. you would think for that debate, the sweet spot is like trying to disprove your negatives and prove your positives. >> go ahead. what i wonder here is what if nothing changes after the debates. if everyone is so decided about it, is it possible that nothing changes anything some.

>> in 2012, the press overreacted to the first debate. it looked for a meaning that there wasn't many. >> my argument is that he doesn't do a good job. and so you can argue in 2012, that the people who supported barack obama said he didn't do a good job. as you look at monday, the dangers of press overreaction are great. >> it will be press overreaction. >> i can't imagine that that would happen. i will share with what i'm obsessed with. it's with someone i always wanted to hate. but now i can't help myself from admiring him. you will figure it out.

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we top the talk about an issue in charlotte and tulsa. what has been fascinating is to see both responses. in an odd way, i feel like both have been hesitant because i think everybody is looking around saying there is no easy solution here. tomorrow everyone will say that's the plan. this is going to make policing trusted again. >> there is no easy solution, but the two candidates had different responses to it. donald trump's let's stop and frisk again sent a powerful signal about what he thinks is the real problem here. hillary clinton's approach is we have to get the stakeholders and sit down and look for real solutions here.

it's honest and people appreciate honesty in terms of this is not the easiest solution we are ever going to find. >> when i heard trump this time, it was a different response though than if you remember his convention speech, what was entirely, to me, influenced by baton rouge and dallas at the time. that had just sort of been the backdrop to that. but he didn't have the same fiery response on this one. >> he did not. it's going to be very intriguing on monday to see what kind of message does trump have on these issues. because when you see his rallies in recent days, he's still asking the question, what the heck do you have to lose. he's using this firebrand rhetoric, even though he's going to places like flint. he's still having a different kind kind of pitch. does that translate to the debate stage? does he keep it up? >> do you want to jump in? >> look, he has been appealing to african-american communities lately. and so this is like an interesting pivot point for him one way or another.

>> you almost could tell it was -- you know, he expressed a lot of outrage and empathy at what happened in dallas, in the same way that was almost universal when you see that one, and you see -- and then he had a different response in charlotte. because you're right, i think he's -- i think he's struggling to see which way to appeal. >> rudy giuliani is in his ear about stop and frisk, which, of course, was his policy as mayor, and probably the folks on the campaign. the campaign staff have a different attitude about where to go. >> that's right. there are people in his ear. >> there are two different people in his ear, but for hillary clinton, it's acknowledge, it's experience with these issues, it's talking to a wide swath of the community, and it's actually looking at the problem. so that is actually, that's the contrast you're going to see monday night, i think, that is going to be powerful for people. it's going to be a kind of, i really thought about these issues versus, i'm going to say something about these issues. and i think that's going to be a real difference. >> i want to ask you as a lawyer, a legal question. what did you make of the saudi arabia, what's going on here. the idea that congress was going to allow this.

what's that case going to look like? you may be called to do this. >> really, really unprecedented-looking case. a whole balance of power concept. what's the role of the courts in something like this. a 4-4 supreme court when this could conceivably work its way up the chain. i mean, there are many unprecedented aspects of this. there are likely to be contrasting decisions in the district court and on up the appellate chain to the supreme court. it's new and different. >> it feels very complicated. i have to say, the -- to me, anita, and you know this town well, it tells you, saudi arabia has lost its juice in this town. they used to -- and i'm saying this a little washington wonky here, but they -- what saudi arabia wanted, they got out of congress, for decades. i can't believe they had to influence on this one. >> well, and it's really striking that this potentially is the first override of a veto

in the entire eight years of the obama administration. i think that underlines your point, chuck. >> yeah, it's amazing. it's a power -- >> it's a power shift. >> it is. and it's the power of 9/11 politics. i mean, you see this, robert. i mean, which is -- schumer, who isn't going to cross the president very often, and he has been hard-charging on it. >> he has. and there's a major coalition on capitol hill, within both parties to push for this kind of legislation. you've seen it for years. >> do you -- the unprecedented nature, do you think, actually, that the legislation itself could get questioned as to whether it's constitutional or not? >> yeah, sure. >> if it gets to the supreme court. that's what you think is going to happen? >> when this goes into court, the constitutional accounts are certainly going to be part of the whole case, as well as anything else you can do. it is one of the kitchen sink cases. anything you can find to challenge, whether as an applied challenge or on the law itself, you're going to do. >> anyway, it has been a side bar story here, but it has been

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finally tonight, in case you missed it, it's probably getting harder and harder for political jupgys to make sense of all the polls out there. and by the way, there are quite a few of them. on wednesday and thursday, for

instance, 69 new polls were posted on the real clear politics website. if you're a republican, you'll be happy to see that rasmussen reports had trump up by five in a full-way race. if those polls have you democ t democrats out there clutching your pearls, you can take heart in mcclatchy's/marist poll, which has clinton up six. and the nbc news/"wall street journal" poll has clinton up six among likely voters as well. so what's going on? part of the answer is some polls are likely better than others. i believe robo calls like rasmussen can be very unreliable and tend to careen up and down too much. but it's even more complicated than that. a lot has to do with how pollsters create their special sauce, interpret the information they get, and do their weightings. "the new york times" and siena college polled florida and found clinton leading by one point. but they then did an interesting experiment. they gave their polling data to four other firms. so they used the exact same raw data to then produce results.

and the results range from trump by one to clinton by four. you can see the different polling that was used. the difference comes from the inexact science of trying to figure out who's a likely voter and what the composition of the electorate is going to be. so, for instance, the poll that had trump by one, figure that the electorate in florida would be 70% white. the one that had clinton up by four believed that the electorate in florida would be 65% white. in case you were wondering, in 2012, the florida electorate was 67% white. all of which is to say, when you wake up tomorrow and you see the latest public polling data, it's best to not spike the football or look at property in canada just yet. the point is this. it really does depend how a pollster decides, is it what's the turnout going to be. the relationship to whites and non-whites, the relationship two older voters and young voters. in 2012, the romney people thought more people over the age of 65 were going to show up than peep under 30.

it was the exact opposite. if that happens this time, it could be a help to trump. the point is, it all depends on how you weight the poll. that's all we have for tonight. we'll be back monday with the big "mtp daily" preview show. but ari melber picks up our coverage right now. hello, i'm ari melber coming to you live from msnbc world headquarters in new york on a busy friday evening. we're tracking breaking news out of charlotte, north carolina. fallout of that video obtained by nbc news showing the deadly police shooting of keith lamont scott. the incident triggering protests in that city. also becoming a flash point immediately in the 2016 election, with both candidates weighing in on policing, as they prepare for that big first debate, we're now within 72 hours of it. also, a late-breaking twist today. ted cruz endorsing donald trump. but we begin with president obama reacting to the ongoing situation in charlotte, north carolina. we can show you this. moments ago at the white house, the president speaking at an event for a