i think he's got to make up some ground even if just on the temperament and out of control. >> people might realize there's nothing mandatory signed to by anyone that there will be three of these and one vp. hillary clinton's comments to america's anxious allies tonight had no force of law but delivered where it was, in the context of that conversation, it had weight. >> yes. well, she was basically -- she paused before she said it and then she turned to the camera and sort of made meaningful eye contact to say what you just heard, let me distinguish american values and american promises from that. >> all week during the unga, the world's leaders were all here all week last week. there was a lot -- we all got our steps in last week.

but she needed to do that. i mean, there's a lot of alarm. and granted they don't vote and this is part of what and mates the trump voters, it's our race, it's our choice. but i think she was very aware of that, i think she had to have heard that being secretary of state. she wasn't addressing them without their wanting to be addressed and reassured. >> it also goes to a larger point about what exactly they're offering. trump is basically saying take a leap with me, let's break this. stability is overrated, let's throw it all out the window, the system we've got stinks. the g-20, they don't put out the red carpet, let's pull up the wheels and skcrew it, let's fly home. she says things need to change but there are certain thing about the way we work, about our democracy, about our place in

the world. >> one thing to point out from something we just saw, trump in the spin room already, the candidate in the spin room tends to suggest that that candidate doesn't think he did that well and that the verdict is that he has some spinning to do. >> although it could be he couldn't resist. >> when the candidate himself comes out to spin. >> one of the things that will be very interesting to see is what happens with the fact check stuff. we talked about this ahead of the debate that there has ban renewed resurgence, particularly on the part of the print media to say donald trump is not telling the truth, donald trump is lying about these things, the l.a. times, "new york times," "washington post" and politico all do in-depth features on trump telling lies in his public pronouncements in the last few days leading up to this debate. tonight he said a lot of things that were not true, big and small. things from the number of times

he declared bankruptcy to how much of a financial start he got from his father, to the murder rate in new york city to whether or not stop and risk was constitutional, birtherism. he told a lot of very easily fact-checked lies. presumably he's doing that because he thinks it doesn't hurt him. the question is whether that's right. >> we'll see. >> we're joined by john podesta of the clinton campaign and now by the sitting governor of the state of new jersey, senior adviser to donald trump and a surrogate for donald trump, chris christie. governor, how do you think your guy did? >> tonight what you saw, if the american people want the same thing they've had for the last eight years, if they want a preprogrammed politician who can memorize sound bites, they should vote for hillary clinton. if they want to change what's

going on in washington and change what's going on in the country, you cannot vote for the same old thing. you saw something tonight very different versus the same old thing. >> i guess the problem people are having with it is the stakes here. as steve smith said, not given to hyperbole, he called the second half of it absolute incoherence, especially the part on national security. would you advise donald trump to change his narrative, his approach on things like his birtherism answer, on things like his tax returns, the areas where he showed the most vulnerability tonight? >> well, first of all, brian, i think he was very clear as he has been all along on the tax returns. mrs. clinton may not like the answer but the answer is he's followed the advice of his lawyers and accountants and when the audit is done, he'll release his tax returns. she doesn't like that answer. when he talked about deleting

33,000 e-mails, mrs. clinton didn't answer to it and lester holt didn't hold her to account for it. there's lots of things mrs. clinton didn't talk about either. as far as incoherence in the second half of the debate, the own thing i suggest is that he doesn't call steve schmidt because obviously steve doesn't like what was said. >> let me ask you another thing, you would change nothing about your guy's delivery, tone, tenor, content, behavior? >> listen, i think you can always improve. nobody liked president obama's performance four years ago in the first debate. i remember. he was getting knocked all over the place by his own party for his performance in the first debate. in the second debate you saw a difference. would i always go back and look at these debates as a candidate and as an adviser to the candidate. that's why they don't only have one of these, they have three of them. the fact is john podesta sitting here in the camp of wishful

thinking that donald trump won't show up for the next two debates, if donald trump didn't show up for the next two debates hillary clinton still wouldn't win. >> we're going to hold you to that prediction. devil's advocate, the people who had problems with previous presidential debates at this level of play didn't have problems with lies being told and didn't have -- we've got fact checking memos we will get around to reading on the air but page after page after page the likes of which we haven't seen. our immediate reaction was that was two wholly different conversations taking place, both on live television and in a split screen. >> well, brian, listen, if we're going to rely all the time on the fact checkers, who also have an agenda, then we can discuss that as well. but what we also know is that mrs. clinton wasn't answering all the questions that she was uncomfortable with tonight. i sat there and listened. there was some questions she

answered and many she didn't answer. i don't know if that's a fact check problem or an honesty problem. the american people can make a decision here. the decision is going to be whether donald trump got one or two facts wrong tonight, which he must have or whether mrs. clinton made some herself, she made those in office which cost the american people dearly. let's judge her performance not only on a debate stage but when she had the reins of power in her hand. >> adviser to donald trump, sitting governor of new jersey, chris christie, thank you, governor, very much for joining us in these first minutes after the debate. >> brian, thanks for having me. appreciate it very much. >> we're going to bring in our friend chuck todd from "meet the pre press." be chu chuck, what's your impression? >> i think we have to step back

and realize this was a very surreal event. that was not like any other debate we've witnessed in the modern era. before we talk about the substance, let's not pretend this was normal -- a normal way a presidential debate is supposed to go. look, it was -- donald trump was all emotion, hillary clinton was all about preparation. you could tell -- neither campaign lied to us. hillary clinton you could tell spent a lot of time preparing for this debate. and particularly by the end of the debate, you could tell that donald trump did not. he was very reactive, i thought he was strong in the first 20 or 30 minutes, especially on trade, put her on the defensive but then after that he took the bait every single time she threw it out there. he would defend his record, he would then go on to try to defend it more and then there were times where when he was talking about cyber security, you didn't quite know what point he was making.

he almost lost track of the point he was making there. so i'm not going to sit here and say i know for sure how the american public will react, his pugilistic way has connected before but if people are judging on temperament and judging on preparation for the job, if the swing voter here is the moderate republican living in the suburb who has never been a trump supporter and can't sit there stomach voting for hillary clinton, i don't know what trump did tonight to win over that voter. >> most fact checks are i know are simply looking for the facts. i think that this -- the gaming and the working of the refs, whether it's what the trump c campaign has been doing with the media or what the clinton campaign has been doing particularly with the moderating

aspect. it's gotten so out of hand i feel like we're candidates the way we're being attacked and prodded. that's fine. but to say that a fact checker has an agenda, there's only an agenda if the fact checking is incorrect. >> check todd, moderator of "meet the press." thank you. we've been waiting to hear from you after this event, as we've been waiting to go to andrea mitchell, who is in the spin room. who have you seen go by your location? >> reporter: we saw a number of people going by from the clinton campaign. obviously donald trump going the other direction. you interviewing chris christie. but i have to tell you i've never seen anything like this. this wasn't my first rodeo but this debate was just one candidate talking over the other and absolutely pounding away at her on trade, on the economy, on jobs, talking about ohio,

talking about michigan. that is his path to an electoral victory, clearly speaking to his voters, he talked about coal and energy, where she has been very vulnerable on the whole debate over what she had said in appalachia. that said hillary clinton just went after him relentlessly on taxes. what she said was his racist behavior going all the way back to 1973 when he was sued by the federal government for refusing to permit african-americans into his father's rental apartments. and of course the birther question, which you all just discussed. his explanation about taxes and why he hasn't released his taxes do not stand up to the scrutiny of the irs or fact checkers, and i think that overall if he was looking for those suburban women swing voters, those republicans in the suburbs around philadelphia, they had to be looking at the way he talked over her, at the demeanor and also at her her suggesting that

she didn't have the stamina, that of course she didn't have the appearance to be presidential. those were not good moments for donald trump. >> andrea mitchell, thank you. we're going to go now to hallie jackson who is also in the spin room and who i believe just corralled donald trump himself. is that true? >> a couple of times. you can see behind me his children are out here and i spoke with his campaign manager kellyanne conway. i asked if he had any regrets? he said he held back mentioning bill clinton's indiscretions because chelsea clinton was in the room. he praised her quite heartily. he committed to doing the next debate. when we asked if he would in fact commit to that. and we also followed up on a question that lester holt asked at the very end of the debate, does he believe in the outcome of the election? will he accept the outcome of the election in november? the headline there something

donald trump didn't answer at the debate, he said yes. the birther moment for trump was also something that was getting a lot of buzz online, on social media. trump said he wouldn't answer the question when asked if he would apologize for his birther past. his campaign manager said a lot of talk has been made about trump's preparation. i said are you rethinking this after tonight's performance? will you change it up next time? she said, yeah, i would advise him to be tougher on hillary clinton when she acts in conway's words smug. she said she believes her candidate showed tremendous restraint tonight on that debate stage. as we've been talking about, the test was does he have the temperament to be commander in chief. you can see the reaction on stage. i asked him if he was angry, donald trump that is, given there was criticism he was interrupting clinton often. he said he wasn't angry. when we followed up on momentum

and polling, high reiterated he believes he's doing well in the polls. we'll find out in the coming case. >> the first thing he told you is that he regret is that he wishes he had brought up bill clinton's marital infidelities? he described that as a regret? >> we were down further along down the line on the spin room, he was answering questions as he went along. the first question was on the birther topic. the second was along the lines of what he might have done differently or if he had any regrets and he said, well, in essence and i'm paraphrasing here, he held back on bringing up clinton's indiscretions. he mentioned this on one side of the spin room and brought it up again when i asked about other debate moments on this side of the spin room. he said both times he didn't bring it up because of chelsea clinton. i asked if this was out of bound

and, he said he didn't think it was out of bounds. >> as she's clarifying those remarks, we see hillary clinton and her president bill clinton walking out to leave the venue. >> assuming they'll leave the city and go on up north to chappaq chappaqua. it's probably a case of hallie's audio dropping out, donald trump did finish by saying he would support hillary clinton -- >> he would agree with the outcome of the election. >> he said "i will supporter," he said those words. >> mike murphy is with us, republican campaign veteran, all-around nice guy. can't wait to get your review of what we just witnessed. >> hello, everybody. it was quite a night. i never heard the phrase "love

me" in a presidential debate before. >> or rosie o'donnell for that matter. >> i pretty much agree with the thrust of what we're hearing. these mega debates, these spectacles are really the test of if somebody's ready for primetime. donald trump failed that test. he pretty much collapsed in the second half. his problem is he's a one-trick pony. in a 90-minute debate, the trick runs thin. and he's not a prepper. trump has one thing that's very powerful. the main spring of this election is people want to fire politicians. it's a wrong track election. trump was effective at the beginning of the debate at taking almost every answer back to you've had your chance. hillary never had an effective answer for that. that will cure some of trump's since. that has so much raw power. that covers for some things. i don't think lost any votes. the problem is he doesn't have enough to win. he's the guy who needs to move the needle and in every way you'd want to move the needle to

some of these things from the content to demeanor to showing depth. well, hillary did a good job, i think, at the big question we all had. how will she handle trump's antics. and i think trump was a gentleman's d-minus. >> while you were talking, we would kill to have audio. donald trump was just making an emphatic point and having a conversation with his son-in-law, jared kushner, and now talking to an aide, the entire trump entourage, including family, are making their way to the vehicles. he's now talking to hope hicks, his press secretary. >> yes. we're not exactly sure what the hangup here is but if we can just keep our camera on this just for a second. donald trump is here with his children and also with some of his staffers. i don't know if something is

going wrong here -- >> i think they might be trying to figure out where to get takeout. i think we might be making too much of this. >> well, we'll see. they're leaving in an interestingly disordered way in terms of the trump camp. we're going to bring in a very interesting other group of people into this discussion. our own jacob soboroff has been watching the proceedings in columbus, ohio. we're going to go now to jacob in ohio. >> reporter: hey, rachel. no republican has ever won the white house without win hearing in the great state of ohio. by definition, these are very swingy voters here in columbus, ohio, and they allowed me to -- they like the term spend the evening with them. i think the best thing to talk about is there hasn't been a lot of shift coming in and going out before and after watching the debate. coming into this debate, who was

supporting donald trump? we got one, two, three, four. how about hillary clinton? >> one for sure, two, three. anybody change their mind come being out of this debate after watching the debate? zero people. i want to particularly talk to you, tom, because you're a republican and almost every time you and i talked over the course of the debate about donald trump, you expressed some sort of frustration. that said you said you'd still never vote for hillary clinton. why is that? >> because of her actions and because of the actions of the democratic party and the policies that they support. but it's her actions, benghazi, everything else. i don't care about her health but -- >> at one point you said donald trump embarrasses you as the -- >> he does, the way he acts, the way he talks. we're not fifth graders. >> let me get carlton in here. donald trump made it a point yet again to try to appeal to african-american voters.

i asked you earlier if he made any impact on you. tell me what you said. >> try again. i don't think he made -- i think his effort was not -- he didn't do a good job. >> what did you think from hillary clinton tonight? did it affect you one way or another? >> didn't change my vote. >> anita, you're a registered democrat but you're an "anyone but clinton." so did donald trump speak to you tonight? >> he was typical. there were absolutely no surprises from him. kind of disappointed that he went into the late in the debate campaign, same old slogans. >> you said to me before a very interesting phrase about donald trump. >> you asked me who i was voting for and i said i am voting for the conservative party. and if this jackass just happens to be leading this mule train,

so be it. >> it's another phrase that i learned for the first time on the campaign trail, rachel and brian. send it back to you. >> you might as well learn it now. i think it's as good a time as any. >> our thanks to the people in good state of ohio and jacob soboroff. wow. >>well -- >> james carville is standing by in arizona. >> thank god. >> nicole wallace just said "thank god." now the universe has marked together and the star at the center has exploded. what did you make of tonight? >> i think rachel made the selling point here. the whole time that the camera was on him, he came across as rude and petulant. you may talk for half of the time but the camera is on you the whole time. was hillary clinton very good, was she solid, was she good? we could argue that degrees but i think everybody pretty much

degrees that trump was just awful. it's a variation of awful. and everything that i saw and everybody i've heard from my panel and the entire discussion, even chris christie, who i think had a really tough job who said, yeah, if you want somebody who can put together a coherent thought or sentence, of course it would be hillary clinton, if that's what you're really looking for. >> if you like that kind of thing. >> yeah, i kind like that kind of thing because i've been in tough spin thoughts myself so i kind of feel sorry for the governor there. but i can't imagine that after what we saw tonight the needle doesn't move some. he was just bad. i've talked to a lot of people that have done a lot of research and these sort of instant things, these dial groups. i think that you hear him around this panel is pretty much shared by the research that i've seen tonight. yeah, she was prepared, she was solid, she did a good job.

he just kind of -- as he went further into it, the serg was right. he just -- the further they went, the worse it got. they almost wanted to throw the towel in after 90 minutes. that's enough. >> james, you made the point you're on tire, like he was trying to exhibit fact facial control and then that went away. the corollary to him having an awful night is the $64,000 question to you. was that a future president on stage next to him tonight? >> well, i mean, honestly i'm crazy about it but i think she was. she was certainly -- her detractors would say she was good. somebody to me said, no, she's very good. i don't think there's any doubt that her performance was solid. she came across at

knowledgeable, she was well spoken, she lifrd going back to the point i made earlier and raich emmade and you just made, television, that's a 90-minute business. i don't know if someone told them to watch his reaction shots or that he realized that he was going to be on television the whole time. but, you know, parents are sitting there watching that or teach their, it was really remarkable to see and he kept grim massing and shaking his head around. it was really almost and i -- nicole has us on a pretty fixed axis and miles surprised if he didn't see some change as a

result of 100 million people watching you. i think but there were a lot of people that saw the same thing that we saw tonight. i cannot believe their conclusions are not going to be similar. >> james: if europe trying to make the most political hey out of this this evening, that temperament facial tick, sighing and making those outbursts and stuff, it's hard for me to imagine how you make, i was thinking about the moment when clinton said "i feel like i'm going to be blamed for everything that's ever happened by the end of this evening." trump comes in and goes "why not." there was also a team when he came in and --

>> 100 million people saw this. i think there are going to be a lot of people here drawn to living rooms and dining rooms around the country tonight. what we're saying tonight is being repeated everywhere else. i don't know that you want to go out and make an ad about the whole thing because i think the impressions are but literally chris christie and everybody said they're going to have to retool. they can't have another one this bad. just can't happen. and i guess you have to repeat that romney won the first debate and he lost the election so you want to be careful not to gloat too much here. this is hard for the second debate and third debate as you did for the first debate. that's important to keep focused

on. >> james carville, thank you. i hope it has stopped raining in scottsdale. it's a nice kol night out here on the golf course. >> hugh hewitt among those watching and listening with us. i can't wait to hear what you're going to say but what are you going to say? >> james: i've been to this movie so many times. i've been an extra in this movie so many times. and when the numbers don't move tomorrow, the inner ring of the inner ring is going to bang their head on the table. i think donald trump won the first -- i clocked it at 29 minutes when birtherism came up. he blew that badly, terribly, and it turned the debate around. she then delivered a knockout blow on speaking to our strategic allies. but it was about 1:85. i want to see where the audience went. did the audience stay with the

show for the entire 95 minutes that it went. but i will not be surprised in the least if they do not leave. i was with james and mary matlin in which carville said the phones are lighting up in president obama's office with how to improve his performance and he goes doesn't mean a thing, doesn't mean a thing! pennsylvania, michigan and ohio, they were name checked and i realize the pundit class all thinks donald trump lost. i thought he lost a lot of debates that i was on the stage for and he won them. so let's just go with chuck todd's we're in the surreal zone that we have not been before and nicole's caution. i think that's the better mix rather than john podesta.

it was lunatic to say donald trump wasn't coming for the next two debates. that's the worst spin of the night. chris christie had the hardest mountain to climb but he did much better spin than john podesta. >> i turned to rachel maddow and said, "wow." i want to know if you think the never trump people, many of our mutual friends, if you think any of them might become hillary clinton supporters tonight on the narrow question of foreign policy and national security. he gave a lot of reasons for a lot of sober, loyal conservatives to have legitimate concerns about just his lack of interest in the granularity of america's foreign policy. >> i don't think so, nicole. >> really? here we go again. i thought he gave them plenty of

fodder. >> when he was hammering her on 30 years, the regulatory state, the economic policies, the fact that nothing would change and everything would expand, i was making notes and frank luntz's group was going up and i was thinking to myself, he's got this nailed for 39 minutes because the president -- >> hugh, i'm sorry to interrupt. we're just going to jump in for one second. this is hillary clinton at a watch event tonight. >> guarantee equal pay for women's work. we're going to deal with a lot of the pressures, the cost pressures, the stress pressures that families are under. we're going to get paid family leave, paid sick days, earned child care and debt-free college. it was an amazing experience. and i am so happy we had this

opportunity for the first presidential debate right here in new york at hofstra university! [ cheers ] well, we got two more debates and we've got more time before the election. and we can't take anybody anywhere for granted. so i came to thank you, thank you for everything you've done. thank you! but i want to ask you please keep working with us. work right here in new york. i know the governor was up here. i'm so glad the governor is here. thank you! and our wonderful lieutenant governor, too. thank you, kathy! but we need to turn out a big vote here in new york. and those of you who can, we need your help in some of the

other nearby states like pennsylvania, like ohio, like new hampshire. but we're going to work our hearts out because you saw tonight how high the stakes are, didn't you? and we've got to do everything we can to reach as many people as possible. >> this is hillary clinton speaking at a watch party in new york just moments after leaving the debate site at hofstra university. i want to go back to our friend hugh hewitt, who i so rudely interrupted. sorry to make you stop mid thought there. finish what you were saying there. >> i think she's happy and she's legitimately energized because she finished the debate strong. the country is divided into two deeply divided camps. i regret that the donald trump did not hammer the 33,000 e-mails home, did not hammer the

server home, did not even mention the supreme court, not once. so i go back to what carville said, watch that space. i can't believe that anyone thinks he's not going to show up. that's just silly. >> hugh hewitt, thank you for watching us from d.c. tonight and we'll work on your relationship with nicole. >> we're talking tonight on the role of the truth and fact checking and whose job it is to get stuff right when the candidate or candidates get it wrong. one of the people who has been watch dogging these substantive issues tonight is our justice correspondent pete williams, certainlically around the issue of stop and frisk. >> let's look at what the candidate said about stop and frisk, a controversial program used by new york police but was then stopped by a federal judge in 2013. the question is what kind of

effect did it have on the -- >> in new york city, stop and chris being, we had 2,200 murders. and stop and chris being many brought it down to 3,500 murders. we went from 2,200 to 500 and it was continued on by mayor bloomberg and terminated by our current maybe. a tremendous impact. so when you say it has no impact, it really did. it had a have. >> crime has continued to drop, including murders. >> no, you're wrong.

so in 2013 it was 333, 2012 down from 2012, 419. then in 2013, in august of 2013 is when a federal judge put a stop to the stop and frisk program declining it was unback up to 352 in 2015 but so far this year at 246 compared to 257 at this same time last year, the spokesman for the new york city police department was tweeting during the debate. he said the stop question and frisk is down nearly 97% and crime, murder and shootings have decreased significantly during that same period. so murders are of course it's true that they started to drop at the time that the city started to use the stop and you

fritt being. >> there are multiple assertions on that. going back to the premise of the question aing well, there's no question it was declared unconstitutional. that is unambiguous. i thought i heard trump later save he agreed that it was declared unconstitutional and that the city abandoned the appeal. that's also correct, as you just heard him say, mayor de blasio stopped the program that was under the bloomberg administration in new york and decided not pursue the appeal, in other words to let the rule declaring it unconstitutional stand. >> pete williams, nbc justice correspondent. thank you, pete. super helpful to you have here

tonight. >> tonight saw among other things chris christie assert that political fact checkers have an agenda. >> i'm sure they do. chris matthews is down at the campus. he's to the east of us on long island. chris? >> i assume trump will probably show up the next two. do you? >> yeah. >> let's talk about a couple of problems he had which i think are permanent problems for him no matter how many debates he faces. one is the birtherism issue. that's a negative for him. he was invoking the name sydney blumenthal and it means nothing. is this going to be a permanent thing for him, the birtherism issue? >> the fact that he cannot bring himself to apologize to the nation for basically putting out

misleading information after the president showed his birth certificate, which, by the way, was an embarrass. i mean, as an american. i have a birth certificate, my parents have berth certificates a and. >> is there any way to stop this from being an issue in each of the next two debates? >> racial reconciliation is a process that we all want to make and achieve. unless you're able to believe in that as a nomination for a party. >> the other issue he was entangled with tonight and didn't seem to have any way to get out of is his tax returns. and hillary clinton went through

all the possible reason in he didn't interfere. he allowed them to go back and forth. maybe you didn't give enough, maybe didn't pay enough. maybe you have. >> it's another form of disrespect to the american people. every major candidate who has run for president has put out their fax return. >> it's a great opportunity to grab voters and get them thinking about committing to the polls. you're reaching for suburban white women, two, young people

under 35, millennials. >> the obama coalition is a very important coalition for the democratic party and for the country. it is a. >> what did hillary clinton do tonight to bring in the suburban white woman to be blunt? >> first of all, i think she made every woman in this country proud. she came prepared. she knew her homework and she spoke did prn her memory about. do you think she's going to stir enough interest in this campaign that people aren't going to be to say i have a big

class load. did she create that kind of urgency tonight? did she? >> i think she created a lot of enthusiasm for that candidacy, some of the negative press she was efficiency and young people, they know tonight hillary's going to make this campaign about their future. >> james: tough yes. did she have a president like? >> she doesn't look like the 45th when the 45th will be right speck to. >> it's interesting to see these folks talking with chris in the room, if you want to know who won the debate, one of the ways to tell is to see whether their folks seem happy or seemed run or if they're still in the room saying, please, somebody else put me on tv.

i have enough praising lester holt as having done a good job tonight. weep saw chris christie take a shot at lester hold. >> donald trump made comments saying that -- >> >>. >> there is a good side -- let's not make too much it have, but we saw the clintons leaving and you can't say again to hillary clinton you've been fighting isis your whole adult life.

that doesn't make i -- do you try to connect him? you can't say what you say about the murder rate in new york city, he's wrong about that. when he says this stuff that is here comes an alternative trump reality. >> they worked to get him off this hannity -- we didn't talk about that much. >> talk to hannity. >> he'll be honest with you. >> they -- they -- they worked to get him off some of the way to communicate and they have more success than on others. >> he wanted to say -- his campaign did not want him to say that and he explained.

listen, when he is doing well, it is harder to convince him to change. when he has a setback and i think it's fair to say, i have to say, that's what my family so i have a hard time coming down on him for looking chaotic and so when he has a setback after he lost wisconsin, when he has a rough patch after he went to war with the gold star family. i think your question is will he take advantage there is an opening for him to make adjustments. >> is there a chance to one counselled him on hit resting phase and fact control be.

>> and he is lacking advice about what the television camera -- >> that's why i think it's actually a really big deal. part of me feel stupid for saying look what you look like. it's a television personality. has a lot of top tear television and twitching and grunting and the constant and eruption and the water and the stiffing. that i think becomes a real salient thing for people pro technicaling his i blazer.

>> hi, even thought it's going on where you're at. right below me we're on a riser in the spin row. very familiar people we all work with. they disagree with it occasion alfly. you wouldn't believe it. this is a shut out tonight. i know everybody has their job to do like governor christie. it's all somewhat nuance. all the reaps down here. it was a disaster. >> a lot of people saw the the guy tonight for the but it's the first time that i got he doesn't

seem to be steady. hillary looked like the one with stamina and intereebl, if and somer people are questioning whether there's going to be a pivot in the fifth. i think the suburb sup sfb sfshlg she stood up to this guy and he looked out of it like he couldn't control the moment. and i think she had a very strong strategy of keeping him on the defensive and i think it worked. one home run after the other, guys. and it showed down here by the way, by the way, when they're fob he's in the witness protection program. that's fine. we're going to take another break.

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i think donald just criticized me for preparing for

this debate. and, yes, i did. and you know what else i prepared for? i prepared to be president and i think that's a good thing. >> one of the few moments of audience interaction tonight. >> way too many moments of audience interaction and it was on both sides and they misbehaved. it started early and they were doing all sorts of stuff they weren't supposed to do. >> don't make me stop this car. they were warned. steve liesman, chief economic considered on cnbc, what stood out to you on the economics front tonight where fact checking is concerned? >> i want to start first with a little bit of a developing story we have here between ford motor company and donald trump. listen to what donald trump said about ford's move of its small compact car manufacturing to mexico. >> ford is leaving.

you see that, their small car division leaving, thousands of jobs leaving michigan, leaving ohio. they're all leaving and we can't allow it to happen anymore. >> that is accurate. ford is leaving but about leaving thousands of jobs, we got a tweet tonight from ford. here's what they said. there is no impact on u.s. jobs. ford's american workers will build two new vehicles at the u.s. plant where small cars are made today. that is from ford to one of our crack producers here. what's interesting about this is we've also found out that ford's ceo said this two weeks ago in response to what donald trump said. this things keeps going on and on. i want to just go to one thing that hillary clinton said that is suspect at best. here's what she said about tricking down economics and the financial crisis. >> as i said, trumped up, trickle down. trickle down did not work.

it got us into the mess we were in in 2008 and '09. >> now, you can say a lot of things about trickle down but i'm not sure the financial crisis itself would be created by the taxes or cutting taxes on the wealthy. perhaps it increased the deficit. some claimed it increased, the financial crisis is not one of the claims most make when it comes to trickle down economics are or at least taxes anyway. and one of the biggest things to me through my eyes here, donald trump said "we've become a third world country." no exact definition of a third world country but looked it up. we have the third highest gdp per capita in the world right after switzerland and luxembourg. so we keep pretty good company when it comes to that, guys. america is a very, very, very wealthy nation. brian? >> somewhere janet yellen

probably has her own reaction to being name checked tonight. lawrence o'donnell among those watching and listening with us. lawrence? >> brian, i think there were three key moments for donald trump. and one was when he said "that makes me smart." it was an interjection when hillary clinton was speaking about his taxes and missing tax returns and using it to indicate he pays no taxes whatsoever. donald trump could have said i pay a lot in taxes, he could have said i pay millions in taxes, could have easily said that. instead he said "that makes me smart" when hillary clinton suggested he pay no taxes whatsoever. that line we might see in a hillary clinton commercial down the road.

lester holt created a moment by asking donald trump a very simple and what should have been a very predictable question to donald trump's debate prep team and that was donald trump having said that hillary clinton doesn't have the look to be president. those were the words presented to donald trump. the first words out of his mouth were, "she doesn't have the look." that is exactly what he said. he confirmed what he was asked about him having said befo. he then went on to her stamina but he insisted right off the bat he doesn't have the look. i don't know what he thinks the look of margaret thatcher is. then he come to the rosie o'donnell moment. and donald trump said about all the words, the ugly words that will not be repeated here that he has used over the years to describe rosie o'donnell that

everyone agrees that she deserves it and that is the sick bubble that donald trump lives in and no one working in his campaign has said to him no, donald, no one deserves those words under any circumstances. that's the problem with that campaign. no one can talk him out of his sickness. >> lawrence o'donnell going back through what we witnessed tonight from specifically mr. trump. >> i mean, the point that she was just making there about rosie o'donnell, it is weird that that came up, that he decided to revisit his ad hominem attack. he also advertised his d.c. hotel, another thing that's never happened in a debate. >> we'll continue right after this.

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