that means as she did in the previous debate and don't do half truths that make people think she has something to hide. >> that's go going to do it for this hour. mtp daily starts right now. >> if it's wednesday, the numbers are in and it's official. donald trump was the big loser in monday night's debate. tonight, donald trump tries to pull out of his post debate nose dive amid charges from his family that he was not properly prepped. senator elizabeth warren. you ready to fight for hillary? >> she is one of the most forceful voices supporting clinton. the senator joins me for the

first time. late night is the real winner. >> my new nickname for her. i'm chuck todd in pausch washington and welcome to the attempt to pull out of a post debate nose dive after a bad debate performance turned into a post debate spin cycle. just how big of a nose dive they are facing. 52% said clinton was the winner and just 21% said trump won. this is an actual specific poll and not a widget where people

with vote and refresh and vote again. whatever province or region. clinton boosted her image with a huge chunk of democratic voters. 50% imp proved their view. only 26% of republicans said the debate improved their view of trump. her image got better and his image got worse by the same margin. in the wake of the blowout, the trump campaign has a heck of a task in front of them. that's why it appears that they are urging him to get his act together. at least seven people spoke to the "new yortimes" resulting in this headline this afternoon. new debate strategy for donald trump. practice, practice, practice. whether trump himself will listen to that strategy and practice meticulously is apparently a major concern.

they are telling the same story and talk of hiring professional debate coaches to help him. they say the kids in particular are not happy with monday night either, saying the debate prep was lacking. moments ago, they lashed out at the reportering saying your sources if they even exist are sources that have been fired long ago and have no knowledge of what is happening in the campaign. hard to be unhappy when we are doing so well. regardless, the message from around trump world is clear. they are trying to send the message to the candidate that he has to turn it around. the question is how. today the campaign rehab appeared to start with a teleprompter while refocusing attacks on clinton. he is speaking in iowa and focussing on clinton. it appears he is not entirely

sticking to script. here some moments ago. >> hillary clinton is an insider fighting for her donors and insiders and mostly fighting hear herself. i am an outsider fighting for you and we are fighting together. >> that's the message the trump campaign team wants them to stick to. the spin cycle mess has become a recurring problem for his handlers. when things go wrong, he digs in. it took the firing of his campaign chief to back off a gold star famming and the firing of a chief after he was attacking an hispanic judge. he doubled down on birtherism, not releasing his tax returns and praising putin and experience theories from claiming there were roof top celebrations on 9/11 to tying ted cruz's father to the jfk assassination. they have been here before.

people have pulled him out before. does it happen this time and when? an on again off again adviser to the trump campaign. he previously oversaw the campaign operations and has been doing work in battle ground states. welcome back. >> i would say that i'm a trump supporter and republican analyst. how about that? >> fair enough. you have been an observer and inside and you know how the game works. it appears that in messages trying to be sent to the candidate and they are using the press to do it. fair? >> chuck, you know i came out of journalism and you know how much i respect you and how reluctant i am to criticize the media. i have to tell you, your lead in was extremely one-sided. the "wall street journal" which was one of the greatest papers to be printed. the lead story on page one should be news only and not

judgment. it said mrs. clinton bolstered her standing in swing states. how would they know that yesterday to get it printed today. politico is no better. it's over and over. >> wait a minute, kevin. >> i think you are out of bounds. >> wait a minute, kevin. my lead in is based on actual survey research that has been done number one. number two, if you want to question our sources, you can question our sources, but it's clear multiple news organizations are talking to plenty of people in trump's circle who are sending a form of a message about debate prep. >> i don't know what their names are and neither do you. maybe you do, i don't. this is a different cycle and a different candidate. we have been wrong almost every time when those of us who have been in the game for a while

like you and i fortunately think we understand which way the american public and the key voting blocks will react it a certain approach. we send to be wrong. i have numbers too. you can do the daily intelligence poll that has a dead heat. l.a. times, the rolling tracking poll that has 3,000 voters is now 47-43 with trump in the lead. i think it's too early to tell. i don't know about survey monkey. it sounds fishy to me. >> do you believe donald trump won the debate on monday night? >> i believe both candidates consolidated their bases. we have probably three debates. i have always thought that 90 minutes is pretty boring. i have been someone who is a proponent. i can see two, three, four debates at 60 minutes, but that is in the rear view mirror. she got down in the weeds and was defensive and had no answer

on her e-mails. she has a lot to explain about the last 30 years of public service. there is no crime. >> all right. kevin, i will leave it there. i take it that you do not believe he has to do different things for the next debate? >> every time you can improve. anyone does anything. he is a first time candidate and has defied all the odds at every turn in this campaign. i think he will do better the next time and crush her in the third one. >> fair enough. a trump supporter as you say and former adviser to the campaign. thanks for coming on. >> let me turn to the washington free beacon and bob herbert and susan paige. susan, let me start with you.

same question. he disagreed with the premises. it looks to me that plenty of people are trying to send a message to mr. trump. >> absolutely. i think that's what's happening and that's the way they have gotten through to him in the past. sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. there was uncertainty about how competent you can be. now that we begin to see polling data, we feel more confident. a bad night for donald trump. we have no history of a challenger. barack obama came back in the second debate and in the other elections, we have not had a challenger have a bad first debate and manage to come back strong in the next one. >> for does appear that

obviously something is going on about managing the candidate. whenou have folks saying he had an overstepped schedule and there was no game plan and too many people in his ear. i guess there were people who wanted to do that and he refused it. >> that has been a pattern throughout the campaign. trump is trump. he has been trump before he came down that escalator and remained the same person throughout the campaign to this point. he was himself for better or worse according to some of these polls on monday night. is he going to prepare more? maybe. he will feel more confident in the second and 30 debates. you can detect unease about him this those first moments. that i think will be gone because he has done it before. he will be himself and the truth is i personally believe that's what people like about him. his supporters like that. he didn't do anything to alienate supporters.

he may have done quite a bit to alienate people on the fence. >> i think that actually is my guess that challenged trump himself. matthew is right. he know what is his base wants to hear and they like that aspect of him. you see this at his rallies. when he gives the teleprompter speech and he thinks he is losing the crowd, he doesn't want to lose. >> the problem is that the core is not enough to elect him president. this performance was different. i know that people counted him out a number of times and he keeps coming back. this performance was different. some of his behavior seemed disturbing in this performance and there were a couple of points with the issue over his income taxes about whether he paid any taxes. that's the kind of thing that

hurts. and the whole issue with women. the mi soj me in. you are talking about half the voting population in america. >> another thing that he seemed to open up a problem on was that birther issue. i want to play michelle obama today. we rarely have heard her address birtherism that often. here she is today in philadelphia. >> if a candidate thinks that not paying taxes makes you smart, sadly that's who that candidate really is. there are those who questioned and continue to question for the past eight years whether my husband was even born in this country. questions that cannot be blamed on others or swept under the rug by an insigne seer sentence uttered at a press conference. >> susan page, that last thing uttered at a press conference. watching her, it struck me that

michelle obama might be the perfect surrogate right now if you are the clinton campaign. they can't have her out there enough. president obama doesn't like talking about birtherism. >> this i'm sure is something she felt for a long time. i never heard her express it. >> i don't think she likes doing it, but she seemed to be a good spokesperson. >> look who it helps. it helps african-americans to get them more enthusiastic about voting for hillary clinton. they have been less enthusiastic than they were with barack obama. the idea of tolerance and diversity is something we know is a character of the millennial generation. one of the biggest tachgs is to get more support from the younger voters. michelle obama is someone who has the ability to help do that. >> why has he found it so

difficult to offer an apology. not even an insigne tear apology. >> most of america and the world does. that's who he is. he never has done it and never will. i think he framed he framed it well for his purposes. he said she is "the insider" and i'm the outsider. i am the change agent and she is the status quo. for most american voter who is may not be paying attention much to the media debate or political debate, they hear that message and they may think he is right. i want to change so badly that i will take the chance. he had her on tpp. she was not comfortable having

to deal with that. >> i agree that the electorate wants change in this election and trump is the one who has the opportunity to make the case for change. he does not appear to be comp at the present time enough to be period. the bar has been set pretty low. matthew and bob and susie, we are sticking around. we will have the most vocal and surprising allies on the campaign trial. elabeth warren of massachusetts joins me on the state of the race, wells fargo and much more. stay tuned. a flu shot?

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we have heard from the two leading presidential candidates, but what about the libertarian ticket? chris matthews will have an exclusive interview with the both of them. tonight at 7:00 eastern live from the university of new hampshire as part of the "hardball" college tour. more importantly, new hampshire. libertarianism. coming up in a minute, my exclusive for i day sitting down with elizabeth warren. stay tuned.

can she help with the campaign's enthusiasm gap, particularly with progressive millennials. senator, welcome to the show. >> thank you. good to be here. >> let me start with the issue of what it took for you to get excited about hillary clinton.

what was interesting is it seemed for much of the spring it was hesitance. when you got in, you got all in. what convinced you? has it been trump or hillary clinton? >> trump is a great motivator for people like me. i don't want him anywhere near the white house. but the truth is that hillary clinton has run on the most progressive agenda in history. she has made very clear commitments about what she will do as president of the united states. the way i see this is for progressive like me, it's our job to help get her elected and when she is a-elected. it's our job to enact that agenda. that's how we build a progressive movement. >> if there is one area she struggled with in the debate, it was one of the few issues that seemed to be debated on monday night.

it was on trade. let me play it and i will ask you about it on the other side. >> sure. >> i did say i hoped it would be a good deal, but when it was negotiated which i was not responsible for, i concluded it wasn't. >> so is it president obama's fault. is it president obama's fault? >> -- >> is it his fault because he is pushing it. >> there are different views about what is good for our country and our leadership in the world. >> that was their back and forth on the transpacific partnership. she is now against it. what can she say to give voters more comfort that she is truly against this and always will be against this deal. there is a lot of skepticism considering what she said about the deal during the start of the negotiations of it. >> yeah. during the negotiations, she said exactly what she said.

once the tpp came out. this is not the deal. she said she will block it if she is president of the united states. she has been explicit. >> do you think the deal is recoverable? he makes the case and the national security argument is one of the best ways to check china is to create a deal like this with other asian nations so that china doesn't dominate the rules of the road when it comes to exports around the world. what do you say to push back? >> right from the beginning, i would say why is this there this huge dispute resolution clause in the middle of it? all that is about is letting multinational corporations challenge state government

regulations. that has nothing to do with china. it has to do with a set of high powered multibillion corporations that were whispering in the ears that they don't like. and then let's talk about trade. the tpp is far less about trait in the way and you i once thought about it. this is much more about regulations and who will right 245 around the world. that's a question of who government work for and who trade deals work for. that's why i'm opposed to the tpp deal. secretary clinton has been really clear on this one. she is not going forward on tpp. >> when it comes to the issue of

trade, the person with the most passion on this issue is donald trump. some of his appeal to some of his voters who truly feel that they have been impacted by bad trade, that's why they are with him. what do you say to her so the people that are with trump are with him because of the trade deals that they haven't trusted them to negotiate. >> i think she is acutely aware of that. i think the other part of this is trump has no ideas on trade. it's not like trump says let me explain this and what's really happening and why it's an economic problem and why it's a regulatory problem. he is good at waving his hands and raising his voice. he has no fundamental idea. he does this magic and i will negotiate a better deal.

a better deal how? what is your idea, donald trump, for trying to do better trade for the united states? there is just no there there with him. >> let me ask you about going after trump. >> sure. >> i will use your words. you said pathetic coward small insecure weak, two-bit dictator and models himself on an insecure narcissist and makes me sick. those are tweets i quoted there. what's the line for you that you won't cross? howard dean put out a tweet that speculated he has a cocaine problem. that is crossing a line. >> i get excited, but it's always around substance. i do mean that. donald trump is a thin-skinned bully. that is not just name calling.

there is evidence that that is exactly what he does. i call him a money grubber because he made it clear that he thinks not paying any share of taxes makes him smart? like if all of america were that smart we would have zero money for our schools and highways and police and firefighters and our armies? donald trump is all about donald trump. everything that i talk about, sometimes with a little color to it, everything i talk about is substantively what donald trump is and what donald trump stands for. >> this may be obvious question and answer here, but does it bother you that it takes name calling to get attention to this? >> look, it's a rough and tumble world out there. i get that. we have all been on both ends of this one. the truth is, donald trump has

serious substantive problems we need to talk about. first time i went after him in tweets were about his businesses and his business dealings. his whole claim was i am qualified to be president of the united states because i have been this very successful business man. so the first set of tweets i ever did was around just pulling that apart and saying wait a minute. you are a guy who inherited a fortune and expanded by cheating people and declaring bankruptcy and leaving workers unpaid? that's not showing the kind of business that we need in a leader of the united states. for me i just -- this is not a distinction of talking about his small hands, it's talking about his failure to release his taxes, his bad record on business, what he says about immigrants and muslims and

latinos and african-americans. what he says about women. it's about donald trump's record. >> i want to ask you about wells fargo. there have been some that you called for resignation of the ceo and a claw back and the company looks like the board asked for the claw backs that you were calling for. no resignation yet and no criminal investigation started by the sec that i know you called for. where is this headed and what is realistic? >> let's be clear. they have not done a full claw back. all that the board said is all the things that would be coming to him that are not vested. he is not going to get access to it. that money that you were earning based on the fraught that was going on under your nose has to be given back to the skpuchl to the investors. >> you calculated it at $200 million.

>> and up. exactly right. first of all, we need a more serious claw back and the second is let me get this straight. 5200 employees lose their job and he still keeps his job? multimillion going forward? i want to see investigations by the sec and the department of justice. let's get those done and then talk about his future. >> i know you have a plane to catch. >> i do. >> i will let you go, senator warren. let's do this again soon. >> you bet. >> what the white house is calling the most embarrassing thing to happen in the senate in more than 30 years. stay tuned. ♪ ♪

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president obama received his first veto override this afternoon after a series of dramatic congressional votes and dramatic rhetoric. the senate voted 97-1 to push forward a bill called the justice against sponsors of terrorism act. that allows the families of 9/11 victims to sue the country of saudi arabia. that lone vote against the override belonged to harry reid who received a personal letter from the president. the president reacted to the override this afternoon in a taping with town hall in virginia. >> it's a dangerous precedent

and an example of why sometimes you have to do what's hard. frankly i wish congress had done what was hard. some of the people who voted for it said we didn't know what was this it. there was no debate on it. and basically a political vote. >> senator richard blumenthal of connecticut joins me now. he is a more vocal proponent of this vote. let me get you to respond. he said it's a political vote and there was not enough debate and as you know, his press secretary called it the single most embarrassing thing the senate has done possibly since 1983. what say you to this criticism? >> i respectfully disagree. what we have done is provide justice or the opportunity for

justice. the day in court to the victims of terrorism and we closed a loophole that was open by the courts, not by congress in a decision made by the second circuit court of appeals that said in effect that foreign state sponsors of terrorism can aid and a bet killing americans in this country as long as they do it outside our borders. i think that kind of loophole should be closed. i read the decisions and the bill and i am satisfied it is the right thing to do. >> the concern is unintended consequences. they had john brennan on his view as to why he wanted to see this veto sustained. here he is. >> the saudis provide information that feed into the system that allow us to accept these threats. it would be an absolute shame if this legislation in any way influenced the saudi willingness

to be among the best counter terrorism partners. >> i know that saudi arabia is a complicated ally to the united states and there are a lot of things that bother a lot of americans about this uneasy alliance. that is the -- you heard the argument he makes. if saudi arabia makes it harder for u.s. intelligence to break up threats, does that convince you that maybe this was done with too much emotion? >> the fears of revisal or retaliation from the saudi government or any other government should never cause us to compromise american justice or ideals or american democracy. you are right. it's a complicated relationship with the saudi government. there is mounting evidence that saudi agents or operatives provided critical assistance to the 9/11 terrorists. the saudis should be held

accountable if they did and they are culpable. if they are innocent and have no involvement in 9/11, they have nothing to fear in a neutral public form. the 9/11 families should be given their day in court. that's the american system. >> do you believe the commission was wrong? did they not do a thorough job? >> the commission is the that secreted evidence for sometime and now has released 28 pages that provide that additional evidence. here's the main point. woe should stand strong for a fair day in court for anyone aggrieved for a state sponsor of terrorism. we have nothing to fear. we should never compromise our system of justice. >> there is talk of narrowing now that this bill is going to be law, it was senator bob corker or head of foreign

relations, there is talk of narrowing the scope of the law. can you narrow it in a way that it is limited to simply 9/11 and saudi arabia and that's it? so that they don't take away immunity for the service members. >> the 9/11 families to their enduring and lasting credit have said that this measure is not about them alone. it's about deterg other assistance by foreign states to terrorist who is then victimize people in this country. deterring foreign states from aiding and abetting terrorist who is kill people this this country is one of the objectives. narrowing it in such a way to deny future victims of terrorism and their day in court, i would a pose. >> senator richard blumenthal, appreciate your views. when we come back, why i am obsessed with something that

happened in 1983. until today, i'm sure many of you have never heard of that embarrassing moment. plus, who landed the best post debate punch lines? we have the comedy world's reaction to the face off. it's fun. we'll be right back. lare was almost always on my mind. thinking about what to avoid, where to go... and how to deal with my uc. to me, that was normal. until i talked to my doctor. she told me that humira helps people like me get uc under control and keep it under control when certain medications haven't worked well enough. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you've been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you've had tb,

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obsession 1983. something i never knew about when the senate voted to override president obama's veto of the soughty bill. the white house called it the single most embarrassing thing the senate has done possibly since 1983. how about a history lesson? what happened that was embarrassing? could it involve the soviets and the u.s. invasion of grenada and flash dance hit number one? it was the override of a bill with six elderly couples in oregon. who doesn't remember that one. let's say you forgot or missed history class that day. as everyone knows about this embarrassing day, they bought 3.1 acres of land on the basis of an erroneous land survey. the land belonged to the federal government. they transferred the land to the couples and president reagan vetoed and congress overrode the veto. it's not exactly the declaration of war against japan, but the

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>> you see all the days off that hillary takes. day off, day off, day off. all those day offs and then she can't even make it to her car. isn't it tough? >> well, that was donald trump moments ago on the stump in council bluffs, iowa. the campaign is trying to get trump back on message. i'm guessing that was not in the teleprompter, but he is in a bit of a festive mood, commending on his opponent's health. just today as well, he is still

upset about this incident in march. >> remember i went to louisiana and i wasn't expected to win. i won big. i am looking looking at delegates. wait a minute. how come i have fewer delegates than people that i beat? and they said, my people. they got so used to it. well, sir, that's the way the system is. wait a minute. something wrong with the system. that's when i said the system rigged. matthew, that just took place an hour ago. somehow threw in the louisiana delegate complain. the point at the top, we've seen this pattern with him. when he is getting a run of bad press, he digs in and his team tries on get him out of it. he is not done and it seems as if he needs a day or two or whatever it is to keep digging.

and both the health comment and that seemed as if if you're kellyanne conway, you have to be at your wit's end. >> it is a funny thing about trump going back to the debate when he seems so eager to fall into clinton's trap and discuss these controversial issues like the taxes or the birther comments or whatever. trump likes discussing his weaknesses because he is still discussing himself. this is a problem, i think. all of his campaign teams have had to deal with. you heard him today? one of those remarks, my people. they were saying you should not do this or this is way it works. the crowd was excited and laughing. they just soak it up. >> these rallies, the campaign has wanted to get him away from rallies now. do fewer of them.

but he loves them. and he ends up saying, this health comment. i've got to think that is not going to sit well with some voters. >> here's the problem. he has 40 days. he has 40 days to move beyond his core supporters who come to his rallies. for voters to say, college educated white women, who is a critical group. a group that is inclined to vote republican most years. a group that has been resistant to him. to hear him go back and raise questions again about hillary clinton. not really designed to appeal to those voters who are not already for him. and the problem is, we're not back at the louisiana primary. there's not much time left for him to make his case. >> bob, i have to play this other clip for you. this was earlier today. paul ryan being interviewed by david rubenstein talking about the debate. >> so you did a vice

presidential debate. did you prepare a lot for that? >> i know where you're going with this one. yes, did i, david. >> all right. has preparation helped? >> it does, david. >> what do they call that? with supporters like that for donald trump, bob? >> i never thought paul ryan could get me to laugh so much. that was a great clip. you know, trump, there is always this talk about trump acting presidential. his handlers want him to act more presidential, as if there was some starting appointment where he is. previously acted presidential. i think he is incapable of it. he doesn't have the discipline necessary to do it. i think he doesn't know how to behave the way we expect presidents to behave. i think this idea of bringing trump under control when he is

not in front of a teleprompter. i think is a lost cause. >> what do other republicans do? you saw paul ryan. he is endorsing him but tries on not comment on him. you noticed comments. he might have prepared but it was thought that he lost that debate and joe biden kind of ran over him. that stopped the momentum against president obama in 2012. i'm looking to the vp debate. i wonder if something similar might happen, actually. mike pence has always been very good since the convention of trying to clean up donald trump's message. presenting the nicer, more polite face of trumpism. i wonder if we'll have a different discussion about debates after the vice presidential debate on tuesday and then of course god only

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in case you missed it, the funny folks of late night certainly got the last laugh after this week's debate. here's compilation. >> tonight was the first formal

debate between donald trump and hillary clinton. and honestly, i meant to watch it. >> the ratings would have been higher if it weren't for all the people covering their eyes. >> i'll give trump this much. he started off strong last night by doing something nobody expected. reaching out to women and to minorities. it was really -- ♪ make america great when he doesn't prepare for his first big debate ♪ >> it looked like he maybe forgot hillary's name. >> secretary clinton? yes? is that okay? >> she may not have pneumonia but she is showing all the signs of dance fever. ♪ >> the dance floor and do a movie call the trumped up trickle down. >> that's it. that's a gift that will take a while to get out of the head. here's really good news for you. if you like comedy, guess what

starts this saturday night. saturday night comes back and they delayed season premier a week just so they would have the first presidential debate for material. that's all for tonight. we'll be back tomorrow with more mtp daily. previously on "with all due respect." >> your basic argument, the premise, he won't win all four. >> no. no. north, north carolina, i would much rather beat her. >> did you see these characters with the maps? you know, the electoral college? so about a month ago, oh, it's a very small path for trump. today i'm watching. oh, wow! now they're looking at all these paths. >> with all due respect to donald trump, he can take our maps, when he pries them from our cold dead fingers.