find out how american express cards and services can help prepare you for growth at open.com. this is the eighth year for art prize. it gets bigger every year. last year some 400,000 people went to it. it's become this huge phenomenon in that part of the country. basically as you can tell, it's an art contest. anybody can enter. they call it a radically open art contest. over the years, thousands have entered it. and what is unique is that they've got a panel of expert art judges that give out one big prize for the best work of art, and it's a big prize, $200,000 for the juried best artwork in the fair. but the reason so many members

of the public go, the reason it attracts these giant public crowds, it's apparently the most attended public art event on the planet. year after year now. the reason so many regular folks go is because in addition to the expert jury selected prize, they also just let the regular schmows vote. so for free, you can show up, look at hundreds of pieces of interesting art, and you can vote for whatever you like. and whoever is the most popular choice, from the best artwork in the show, the people's choice, that artist also wins $200,000. it's really high stakes. it's neat. you can be part of it, it's a big deal. called art prize. the pride of michigan this time of year. and because it brings hundreds of thousands of people to the grand rapids area every year, it's obviously a big deal for the local media there. today all the local news outlets in grand rapids including wzzm, they were set up at art prize in grand rapids, technically they

were at the gerald ford presidential museum in grand rapids where it was hosted today. much to their surprise, donald trump walked in. i say much to their surprise because it was an unannounced, unexpected visit. people were there to see art prize. they weren't there to see him. they deidn't know he was coming. if you're a local reporter, like the co-host of the news noon update show on grand rapids channel 13 and you see donald trump unexpectedly walk in while you're doing your live news hit from the art fair, what do you do? well, if you are a spunky, quick on your feet, unafraid local reporter like jennifer paschua is at wzzm, apparently you start yelling across the room at the art fair, hey, donald, hey, donald, come talk to me! that's what she did. that's how she got her presidential candidate interview today. hey, donald? come over here! watch this.

>> our presidential candidate for the republican party has just arrived here. he's just right outside our 13 news desk. hey, donald? mr. trump, will you come talk to us? so, we have just snagged republican candidate donald trump. how's it going? i am great. >> where's your camera? >> i want you to come over here. can you come toward me? >> i'll come over here. hi, jennifer. >> welcome to grand rapids. >> are we on already? >> reporter: we are on. you've got a mike on. talk to me. why are you here at the ford? >> we have a lot of respect for gerald ford. always have. and they invited us. and the museum is beautiful. look at all these people. >> reporter: yeah. >> look at all these people. >> everybody's here for our prize. this is an internationally acclaimed art competition. so that's why people radio here. but clearly -- >> wow. >> oh, wow. that's why all these people are here -- he has no idea why all those people are there. he thinking, wow, the gerald

ford museum is really popular. he has no idea why he's there. but this -- this great local reporter who had no idea he was coming, she thinks on her feet. she just yells out to him, "hey, donald?" she gets somebody to run over and snap a microphone on to his tie. he doesn't know if there's a camera that can get him in the shot. initially she pulls out her phone and starts shooting it in case that's the only way she can broadcast it. ultimately they swing a camera around. and she tells him why he's there and why these people are there. a great moment. and she gets the interview with donald trump. and he brings up gerald ford. she asks a question about gerald ford. this is the gerald ford museum. they talk about that. keep in mind, she had no idea trump was going to be there. she is not prepared for a presidential interview. watch where it goes. she asks the next question about gerald ford. and watch what she asks him next. just put yourself in her shoes. think about when you would have

had the stones in that moment to ask the same thing on the fly, nice to face with donald trump, unexpectedly, off the top of your head, having no time to prep, no idea that you would be talking to a presidential candidate live on tv. would you have thought to do this, and would you have been brave enough to do it? >> he was known for bringing parties together. what does that mean in your presidency? >> he did. people liked him. they respected him. he brought people together. that's true. you think of it, people have different opinions of gerald ford. but everybody has a good opinion. very unusual. >> you know what's also unusual -- >> everybody liked him. >> reporter: also unusual, mr. trump, is the fact that "usa today," they're our partners now, and they have come out to actually first time in 34 years of existence, to come out to say whether or not they support a certain candidate in which they are saying that you are unfit for the presidency. your reaction to that? >> she puts it out to his face. so nice to meet you, i had no idea i was going to get to talk

to you. what do you think about this idea that you're manifest low unfit for the presidency? she just puts it right to him right there. >> reporter: they are saying you're unfit for the presidency. your reaction? >> i don't read "usa today." it's not much of a newspaper as far as i'm concerned. and you know, i really don't know. nobody called me. all i know is we're leading in the polls. we're doing well. >> donald trump today at the gerald ford museum. i think not expecting to be doing that interview. not expecting to be confronted like that on the fly by a reporter who had no idea she would be talking to him because this was an unannounced trip. she rangled him from across the room. jennifer paschua, god bless her. the "usa today" story is something we reported last night. "usa today" has never before taken a side in a presidential election. they are not taking hillary clinton's side overtly in this election. they're not telling their readers who -- who to vote for.

they took this incredibly unusual -- for them unprecedented and aggressive step to write an editorial they say reflects the consensus of their editorial board that americans must vote in this election, but they must vote against donald trump. you saw in that difficult impromptu interview, donald trump's defense to that was that nobody called him about it. he doesn't know about it. he says he doesn't think "usa today" is much of a paper. but then he said, all i know is we're leading in the polls. we're doing well. i don't know exactly what mr. trump was referring to with that. he said that while he was in michigan. he is not leading in the polls in michigan. latest poll is from "the detroit news" and wdiv. the new poll has donald trump trailing hillary clinton by about seven points in michigan overall. one of the most remarkable aspects of the poll is they also broke down responses by region within the state of michigan.

and michigan's biggest population center, largest city by far, detroit, donald trump is polling at 0% in detroit. new michigan poll has him trailing hillary clinton 46-39 in the state overall. it has him trailing hillary clinton in detroit 90-0. and the polling in general beyond michigan, i mean beyond detroit, but beyond michigan, the polling in general is not great for donald trump now. he's not overall leading in the polls. things were tightening up substantially until the first presidential debate this week. but the first burst of polling that's come out in the last couple of days, the first scientific polling to reflect changes in the electorate in terms of people's intentions to vote, due to the debate, all the polls that have come out show clinton polling back ahead in crucial swing states like michigan but also in the national polls. the latest national poll that's out tonight is from fox news. head-to-head match-up between

clinton and trump two weeks ago. fox had trump leading in a head-to-head 46-45, leading by one. now as of tonight, fox has clinton leading by five. n a head-to-head match-up. her leading him 49-44. that same fox news poll just out also asks voters nationwide who won this week's debate. in the poll the answer is overwhelming, hillary clinton won it by a 40-point margin. 61-21. and that's basically the theme of the week in nationwide scientifically sound polling on who won the debate. the gallup poll has come out about who won, they found clinton winning 61-27. that follows a handful of polls that have come out this week. all of which show clinton leading by substantial double-digit margins in terms of whether or not voters perceive her to have beaten donald trump in the debate. now, donald trump does not want his staffers to admit that.

there was reporting today in "the new york times" that he is displeased with his own campaign staffers for admitting in interviews that donald trump lost the debate. he doesn't want his campaign admitting it. he also does not appear to believe it himself. if you believe his twitter feed where he keeps saying he won. based on this interview at the gerald ford museum, apparently donald trump also believes he's leading in the polls right now, which he is not. not even in the state he was standing in when he said it. there's something going on in terms of perception of reality. but there seems to be something little haywire going on now in the trump campaign. and you know, it's not like his is the only campaign that's had a hard moment. all campaigns have hard moments, low moments. we were talking last night about gerald ford having his disastrous debate in 1976 when he said that there was no soviet domination of eastern europe. maybe donald trump was reflecting on that when he paid his respects to the late former president and toured his museum,

his model oval office and rest of it. campaigns all have down moments. every presidential candidate from time to time go does something that she or she should not do. that said, in the history of presidential screw-ups and bad moments, i'm not sure anything has really happened like what happened today felt specifically this morning. to set the scene in terms of how i learned of the news, this morning i got up and out earlier than i usually do because i wanted to go fishing before i came to work. that's the one thing that can make me get up early. i was up early, looking at the news at a time i'm not usually looking at thenews. the news note we produce for our staff that we use to set the course of our day, it was too early for that to be out. i was on my way to go fishing, i didn't have time to scroll through the headlines. i wanted a quick check of what happened in politics news specifically overnight. i went to nbc news first read to see what they were saying in terms of the political headlines of the day. and i read something there that

i think will stick with me forever. i'm not going to get it like tattooed on myself somewhere, but i don't think i need because i don't think i will ever forget it. i'm going to quote directly from "first read" this morning. this is how i learned this had happened. this was before my first cup of coffee. ready? "guys, it's not everyday when a presidential nominee tells you to watch a sex tape. especially at the same time the sitting president is eulogizing shimon peres." fair enough. but that really is what happened today while president obama and former president clinton were in jerusalem attending the funeral of legendary israeli statesman shimon peres. president obama's giving this incredibly moving eulogy for the late israeli prime minister. at that moment on the other side of the world, donald trump, republican presidential nominee, was in the middle of a twitter outburst which included, again, unprompted him continuing to attack a former winner of his

miss universe pageant who is now a hillary clinton supporter. and mr. trump's tweet early this morning in the predawn hours, he called the former miss universe disgusting and directed the american public that we should "check out the sex tape." it's friday night now, there are still six weeks to go until the election. anything can happen in those six weeks. it is hard to believe, though, that this week we have just been through won't end up feeling like it was a turning point in this election. at the start of the week, monday, that debate did go poorly for donald trump. the american public perceives him to have lost that debate by a sound margin. even in a country that's roughly evenly divided as to who we want to vote for for the presidency, the country boldly perceives donald trump to have lost that debate by anywhere from a 20 to 40-point margin. he did get beaten badly, and obviously he behaved in a way i think people didn't expect

eaeach -- even from him. since the debate monday night, since that evening, mr. trump and his campaign surrogates have decided that they're going to start a new political tax. they're going to try to create a political liability for hillary clinton out of the fact that her husband is known to have cheated on her. that new point of political focus from the trump campaign started as soon as the debate was over. it has been led by mr. trump himself, as well as two of his most recognizable surrogates, former new york city mayor rudy giuliani and former house speaker glitnewt gingrich. and i don't have any individual interests in any of these mes personal history. but if you were going to make a deliberate decision as to who should try to make a presidential political issue out of men cheating on their wives, who would design a political strategy where the spokesmen for the attack are donald trump, rudy giuliani, and newt

gingrich? between them they have nine wives, that's wives with a "w" not lives like a cat. nine wives. and they're all famous, each of them, for having cheated on their wives and getting caught for it. but it has been three days now, four days now, where they have been trying on that line of political attack. on the issue of the former miss universe who donald trump was calling disgusting in the predawn hours, he and his campaign have continued to press personal attacks against her all week with mr. trump and mr. gingrich in particular taking the lead on attacking the former miss universe, specifically for her weight. again, i've had no issue in the -- in the weight of donald trump or newt gingrich. but again, just design a political strategy in which donald trump and newt gingrich are the spokesmen for political attacks based on body mass index. glass houses do not begin to

cover. this is like -- this is like glass outhouses. which i'm sorry to say extending even to republican presidential nominee donald trump telling the country this morning that what we should look up about the former miss universe, if we want to learn more about why donald trump thinks she's disgusting and why he's taking time to spend five days attacking her in the middle of his presidential campaign, unfortunately, the glass houses concept here extending even to the specific issue he raised today of a sex tape. i have a lot of respect for andrew kaczynski and his leaks can at buzzfeed news. they do great work. they're masters of hidden archives. they turn up stuff that nobody else finds. that said, i do not envy their workplace today. i do not envy the task they had today of scrolling through this video, "playboy" video centerfold, playmate 2000 starring twins. thanks to the hard working,

under compensated staff at buzzfeed news, we can tell you a little bit about this film. i'm just going to quote buzzfeed here, i should also tell you if you're watching with your kids or just not into hearing this, you may just want to go la, la, la, la and cover your ears. it will just take a second. i'm going to read buzzfeed's description here. they did the reporting to figure this out. they should be honored for it. quote, scenes from the film feature fully nude women posing in sexual positions, dancing naked, touching themselves while naked, touching each other sensually, rubbing honey on themselves, taking a bath, and dressing in costumes. well, the costumes part might be family friendly. i don't know. it might just be a halloween-themed thing. but the reason we have to know that description of what's in the "playboy" video, playmate 2000, the reason we have to know that, is if you're a presidential candidate who will stay up all

night then news organizations will turn up ratty old vhs copies of the soft porn videos in which you, republican presidential candidate donald trump, apparently had a cameo role. according to buzzfeed, on a bus tour hunt for the 200 playmate -- 2000 playmate of the year around the country, the playmates traveled to different cities including new york, las vegas, chicago, nashville, san diego, donald trump welcomes the playmates in new york and pops a bottle of champagne to kick off the new york stop. trump then pours the champagne over the playboy bunny logo. here's the clip of that cameo appearance followed by that champagne pour and then presumably thereafter is when the "playboy" bunnies, you know, start pouring the honey on other things. and in a normal year -- can i even say that anymore? can you even say in a normal

year? who knows what is normal in 2016? in what used to pass for a normal year, i don't know that america would care that the presidential nominee is someone who had a cameo in a soft porn video. but when that candidate is telling the public that what we should do is seek out alleged and apparently apocryphal sex tapes showing how disgusting these women are, then it did become the press corps' job to go through the dollar bins at adult video stores to find out what videos he's been in. because he apparently was in that one. so things are not going great for the trump campaign. donald trump still has a grand total of zero daily newspaper endorsements for the general election. we believe that is a modern american record for a major party presidential nominee. "usa today" did make this remarkable decision to anti-endorse him yesterday. the first time they've ever

taken sides in a presidential race. two more papers today broke with longstanding tradition to overtly not endorse the republican nominee for the first time in a dog's age. "the san diego unidwronyon -- union tribune" for one, they've been a paper for 148 years. they've not endorsed a democrat for president, but today they endorsed hillary clinton. tonight "the washington post" took the wholesale unanimous unendorsement of donald trump that they've already made a step further. "the washington post" has already made clear that they're against donald trump in this election but as of tonight they say they're kicking off what will be a series of editorials just an extraordinary editorial volley from one of the top newspapers in the country, the first one, which is out tonight, is called the clear and present danger of donald trump. it's the first in a series of editorials they'll lay out over the course of next week showing why americans have a responsibility to vote against trump. they're contending that there's no chance that he would be

harmless as president, that he would not be constrained by the other elements of our political system, contrary to popular belief. they say in this first editorial, that he could, quote, unilaterally, meaning on his own, unilaterally change in country to its core. so this has been a bad week for donald trump. today he started raising the prospect that he may not participate in the second presidential debate. i don't know if that will happen yet or not. but after this very, very bad week for donald trump, looking ahead, especially toward that "washington post" context for next week, my guess is that next week might be even worse unless somebody sort of gets hold of him and stops him from texting about sex tapes at 3:00 in the morning. there are unconfirmed reports to nbc news, single-source reports that trump may right now be looking for a fourth campaign manager at this juncture. but at a certain point i think it has to sink in that it's not

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so we've got a lot in this show tonight. we've got some good news to bring you exclusively about the decorated afghanistan veteran, that incredibly well spoken accomplished young marine who we had on the show last night. we have had good news about him and the campaign he's running in conjunction with this year's election, that news is coming up in just a moment. we've got a spooky post script to the big scoop that was published by "newsweek" magazine yesterday morning, that story about donald trump's company allegedly violating the cuba embargo, something that appears to have happened as a consequence of that story which is a little spooky. i told you, it's a big night. stay with us.

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add this to the list of things you never expected to be happening in a presidential campaign. earlier this evening the website buzzfeed had the headline donald trump appeared in a playboy soft core porn. obtained the footage from the online only buffalo, new york, based store cinema cornucopia. the trump campaign has not responded. but the clinton campaign has. there's been a lot of talk about sex tapes today. in a strange turn of events only one adult film has emerged today and it stars donald j. trump. you know what's awkward? having to report that just before i get to say welcome to

senator our democratic senator from minnesota. she's a support of secretary clinton. senator, i'm sorry. >> that's fine. it was a great segue. >> through no fault of your own, you join us on the night that we're talking about what happened in that playboy video. >> the world of donald trump. >> i mean, let me -- i have a few things to ask you about what's going on right now. what does it mean that we're talking about a republican -- a presidential candidate's cameo in a soft core porn video which he has made newsworthy because he's citing sex tapes as part of his political attacks? >> that's right. he's brought us here. he's had bad weeks before going after the well respected hispanic judge, going after our gold star mom who appeared at

the democratic convention. he's said that there's nothing that compares to this. really topping it off early in the morning where i thought to myself only in hawaii do they appreciate that six hours ahead of time. and maybe he got a few insomniac votes, but it really was something. he's led us down this path with the kind of vulgarities and the things that he's been focusing on and how he keeps obsessing about women and talking about how people look. and it just keeps going. he doubles down every time one of these things happen. and i thought maybe hillary clinton said it best today when she talked about how this also goes to do you really want somebody with their finger on the nuclear code, you want someone that hangs on to this anger and shows this kind of a demeanor? i don't think you do. >> there's a strategic question, just as a matter of political tactics, as to how hillary clinton responds, whether she continues to basically get him to sort of show his true colors on issues like this because it hurts him, i think, when he does show who he really is on things

like this. there's a strategic calculation there and we'll see how the clinton campaign handles it. there's a bigger question which is what's our politics like after this? >> i think that's very good. that has a lot to do with what the american people do on election night. what kind of results do we have? right now it's clear that they did not like how he performed in the debate. you just showed those polls and it change the trajectory i believe of this election. so i think that will matter. >> you think if he loses his sort of violations of these norms of decency and accepted politics, they'll be re-established because the rezwrekz of him will include -- >> and if people got to vote which really means everybody, but the immigrants and people of color and women and everyone that he's been attacking, if they go out and vote and husbands go out and vote and say, i don't want people talking about my wife this way, then i think it's going to matter. that's what will bring us back. the other thing that will bring us back is the economic need

whether it's income inequality, the work we need to do on immigration reform. hillary clinton will be steadfast in focusing on those issues, just today in florida on national service and yesterday or the day before with bernie sanders in nebraska talking about student loans. she's been keeping on focus. maybe not everyone is talking about that, but that does matter to people. >> one of the other things i wanted to talk to you about tonight is this issue of the cuba embargo. because you've been so involved in that as a lgter. we'll talk about something spooky that happened to "newsweek" magazine after they said something about donald trump's company violated the cuba embargo in the '90s, spent money in cuba when it was illegal to do so. you've been involved in trying to rescind the embargo. what do you make about the politics around that issue. you want the embarg enot to exist? >> i do. it's a bill i'm leading with senator jeff flake. he wants to close down our

embassy. the cubans are interested, americans are interested. yet the hypocrisy. he's not only been bad on the policy. if he wants to work with us on it, fine. but he's showed no sign of that. what he's talking about now is the fact that behind people's backs he's telling the cubans in florida, oh, yeah, i'm on your side, then it turns out he's trying to do business. he's at the best skirting the law, at the worst, it was illegal. are you enjoying -- i know you are a political animal and you like politics. are you more spooked out or more excited? having fun yet? >> that moment after she did such an incredible job for 90 minutes, then he said she didn't have the stamina and every woman in america screamed at the tv, that was the moment of we're going. we're going to win this. >> i collapsed at that point. i was having my gatorade and getting a massage i was so exhausted.

>> i am going to new hampshire tomorrow to get my sweater, go out there and to help her out. i think there's a lot of good stuff going on. >> senator, good to see you. sorry about the "playboy" thing. >> that's okay. >> i'll never do that to you again. >> thanks. >> lots to come tonight. stay with us. is that ice-t? nope, it's lemonade. is that ice-t? lemonade. ice-t? what's with these people, man?

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taxes paid for my weapons and my ammunition. taxes paid for the emergency lifeflight that my buddies got flown out on when they lost their legs. taxes pay for gold star families for the 14 children that i know today without fathers. and more than that, you know, they support cops and firefighters, you know, every public service that this nation offers. and where i come from, leaders are meant to lead by example. and you inspire those to follow you. and i think that if trump's free riding on the political process and the system, then i think that sets a dangerous precedent as a leader. >> on this show last night we talked with a decorated u.s. marine corvette ran named peter kiernan. he's a marine special operator. he served in afghanistan. he's now back home stateside, about to get his college degree. he's started up this kind of genius political project. he says he's bothered by the prospect that we might get a new commander in chief without knowing anything about his financial ties and his history of paying taxes or not. and so he's decided to try to exert an unusual kind of pressure on donald trump to

release his taxes. he's using crowdpack to crowdsource donations that would go to ten different veterans charities if and only if donald trump releases his tax returns. people pledge to donate, but they don't have to actually make the donation until trump puts out his taxes any day before the day of the third and final debate, october 19th. the billionaire co-founder of linkedin pledged that he would match everybody else's donations 5-1 up to $5 million. that means if afghan war vet peter kiernan can crowdsource a million bucks in donations this tech billionaire will add $5 million more to the pot for a total of $6 million that would go veterans charities if and only if donald trump would release his tax returns. we had peter kiernan here to talk about it. overnight they added another half million dollars in total pledges. they were going from 400,000 up to 938,000. they're aiming at a million bucks. they're close to that. at the current rate they'll likely eclipse that mark soon. that will mean $6 milln is on the table ready to go to ten different vets charities. all donald trump has to do to make that happen is release his taxes, just like every other presidential candidate in modern history has ever done. 6 million bucks would do a lots of good for america's veterans,

mr. trump. you don't get the money, the veterans do. is that okay? the pot might get even bigger. if they do hit a million bucks which will instantly become $6 million for veterans, if they do that, they're going to try to keep it going. they'll set a new goal of $10 million for veterans. maybe that will be enough to sway donald trump and his campaign. we'll see. watch this space. if they do hit $1 million, which of course will instantly become $6 million for veterans with reed hoffman's $5 million pledge, if they do that, they'll try to keep it going. they'll set a new goal of $10 million for veterans. maybe that will be enough to sway donald trump and his campaign. we'll see. watch this space. mom,

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it is very unlikely that he'll hold on to the presidency. >> she can win ohio. >> ohio, ohio, ohio. since 1960, since jfk won ohio in '60, no candidate has ever become president without the great state of ohio for over 50 years ohio has been the must-win state. that's why campaign events in ohio tend to look like rock concerts. john kerry, bruce springsteen in cleveland, then columbus, 2004, president obama's 2012 re-election kickoff in ohio. hillary clinton kicked off her general election campaign in cleveland this summer. so the common wisdom has been if you want to win the presidency, go to ohio and preferably stay in ohio. but you know what? something is only considered common wisdom until it's not. former secretary of state hillary clinton has not led in the polls in ohio since august. she also has not campaigned in ohio since labor day. she is heading back to ohio for the first time next week after being away for a month. "the new york times" has a story

that secretary clinton may be thinking of stepping back to ohio and not making a big push to winning this state that we think is so essential to winning the white house. there's an argument to be made that stepping back from ohio would be a good idea for democratic candidate. democrats have done well among younger voters, those growing older. in ohio, the population is growing older, whiter, and it is less educated than the rest of the country. that's part of the argument for the clinton campaign to at least dial back on trying to win ohio, to find a path that doesn't go through ohio. here's the think, though. if it is, in fact, smart for secretary clinton to get out of ohio, much as that scrambles our long-held political expectations, where should she try instead? there's an increasingly loud

argument that she should maybe refocus her resources and her efforts in a place like georgia. ohio has 18 electoral votes, georgia has 16 electoral votes. so they're close to equal in electoral college world. georgia has also typically been a red state, but its changing demographics are moving that state in a purple direction. the white population in georgia has dropped nine points since the year 2000, the asian population is set to double,he latino and african-american population has also seen significant growth. a lot has to do with growth in urban centers in big cities like atlanta. he said he met with the campaign last week to plead his case for his state and for his city, but specifically for his state to play a much bigger role in the election. if democrats could make a real play there, georgia could be part of the path. he's arguing that if the clinton campaign spent the same amount of resources in georgia and in north carolina, he thinks

georgia would be the more winnable of the two states. very provocative concept. kasim reed said he's lobbying the democratic party to shift more resources to georgia. we've asked him today if his office has heard back from the clinton campaign after making its case. they haven't heard back yet. but they make decisions like this on a rolling basis. we know this has been a weird and record breaking and expectations busting election, but is this a weird enough election that a state like ohio might not be necessary to winning the white house. should a campaign drop ohio and go for a state like georgia instead in joining suss the great joy reid. host of "a.m. joy" weekends here on msnbc. always great to have you here. >> great to be here. >> first of all, is it -- i mean, there's no connection between ohio and georgia. the reason i paired them up here is i give the same weight to the argument for getting out of ohio

and into georgia. >> it is just a game of math. you just shave two electoral points off and georgia is a valuable state. campaigns have resources. you have to make hard decisions about not only where to play but where you might have room to force the other team to play. that's what's happened in pennsylvania. the trump team seems to be playing there, you will see the democrats playing hard there even though pennsylvania is reliability in the democratic column. ohio is a weird state. my team and i were in lorain, ohio, talking to democrats union men who weren't high on hillary clinton, worried about trade. they started sounding like staten island democrats. these are people who voted for bill clinton, voted for barack obama, very disillusioned. a lot about ohio that makes it a trump state. on the other hand, pulling money out of ohio for a state like georgia that's been out in the

ether as the white whale for democrats may not be the smart thing. in ohio there's such a concerted voter suppression effort taking place. the secretary of state is in court constantly with the aclu and others over ways to invalidate ballots, making it harder for people to vote. you have a motivation in places like cuyahoga county so you can imagine there's a spike in turnout of african americans for that reason. whether you keep the dcc down or keep the resources in place, hillary is going back there, they had the west wing cast last week, they had bill clinton in this. >> to be clear, she's going back and they have been sending other very high level surrogates and folks there. but there are these rumblings. i have to wonder if strickland, the democrat was any closer to knocking off rob portman there, the calculus would be different for democrats that they'd want to stay in there to give strickland a chance of knocking off rob portman. >> that also makes a reason for

the dscc getting in there. that said, i will tell you ta campaign sources i spoke with today were saying that the spending at the clinton team is going to stay in for now at the same level. as you said, there's no sign that they're really yanking resources. it's risky to throw money at large into georgia when you really do need to hold your base. but democrats can win the white house without ohio. trump could win ohio and florida and nevada and still lose. >> i see the crazed look in your eye. not because i know you're an insane person. you've been walking around the office playing that thing. yore playing the electoral map game like it's space invaders. >> i'm giving trump all these states. but it's so much fun, rachel. >> i know we all do this as research.

you're actually now doing it for fun? >> i have been doing it since i knew i was booked on this show. as long as hillary clinton holds virginia and colorado donald trump could run the table on much of what's open out there. he could even get new hampshire with ohio, with florida, with nevada and still come up short. he's at about 268 with all those states. >> before you leave this state, i want to make you play ninja. forget it. it's an intervention. joy reid, host of a.m. joy weekends at 10:00 a.m. eastern. drop the phone, joy. nobody's hurt, but there will still be pain. it comes when your insurance company says they'll only pay three-quarters of what it takes to replace it. what are you supposed to do? drive three-quarters of a car? now if you had liberty mutual new car replacement™, you'd get your whole car back. i guess they don't want you driving around on three wheels. smart. with liberty mutual new car replacement™,

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