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>> never said that. >> women don't earn equal pay unless they don't do as good a job as men and one of the worst things she said was about a woman in a beauty contest. he loves beauty contests, supporting them and hanging around them. and he called this woman miss piggy. >> hillary clinton's fuselage continued to haunt him. while the rest of us were sleeping in the wee hours of the morning, he was fiercely tapping away on his android phone with an attack on the media and then taking a break and coming back at 5:14 a.m. coming with a tweet storm against alicia ma cha chm. hillary floated her as an angel without checking her past, terrible. and then saying using alicia as

a virtue showing she sets up. hillary was set up by a con. did she help out disgusting, check out sex tape and past. and we dug up a few of trump's previous attacks on women. this is a little long by tv terms but keep in mind, it's only some of what he said. >> do you believe in punishment for abortion, as a principle? >> the answer is that there has to be some form of punishment. >> for the woman? >> yeah, there has to be some form. >> you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes. blood coming out of her wherever. the wife standing there. maybe she wasn't allowed to have anything to say. you tell me. i don't think ivanka would do that, although she does have a very nice figure. perhaps i'd be dating her if she

wasn't my daughter. a pretty picture. she's a nice person. and she's gotten a little bit large. i would say this. i don't think, i don't think you should dress like you wear 125 pounds. you know the word shrill? she's become the word shrill. >> i don't think she has a presidential look. and you need a presidential look. >> she's standing here right now. what did you mean by that? >> she doesn't have the look. she doesn't have the stamina. i'd say, rosie, you're fired. >> you've called women you don't like fat pigs, slobs, and disgusting animals. your twitter account. >> only rosie o'donnell. >> it was well beyond rosie. >> i'm sure. i said tough things and she deserves it and nobody feels sorry for her. that person was a miss universe person and she was the worst we ever had.

the absolute worst. she was the winner and she gained a massive amount of weight. and it was a real problem. >> joining me now, latinas for trump. thank you so much for being here. we just met in 30 rock. great to meet you and talk on television. let's get your response. to that barrage that you just heard, donald trump said a lot of demeaning things about women. for you, just as a woman and as a latina, what do you make of those previous attacks and his attacks on miss machado? >> well, it's actually, i chuckle on a couple of occasions. it sounds bad on my part but hoping everyone watching the program will give me an open opportunity to explain myself and not quickly offend me because i am a trump supporter. we basically went through a voyage of mr. trump as a tv personality, as an entrepreneur, as basically himself.

i tried to cut through the fat and go straight to it. he's obviously a very transparent person. he has vulnerable moments. obviously, he is not the most politically correct person and not that i'm justifying him, but i am explaining to you how i feel as i watch it. everyone is entitled to a different perception of what they see on tv. i watch all this and this just doesn't deter me from my decision as an independent to vote for mr. trump and not for mrs. hillary clinton. >> well, let me ask you this. part of what the presidency is, it's not all powerful. the president doesn't have a magic wand but the president is sort of symbolic of the national self. the avatar for america. do you feel comfortable? i don't know if you're a mom or have daughters. >> i do. >> you do, okay. of having them be asked to look up to and respect a man who has said, let's look at what he said about carly fiorina.

look at that face, why would anyone vote for that? that's what he said about a woman in her own right, a business person like he is, who i think deserved equal respect to him. let's go to what he said about ted cruz's wife. heidi cruz. he retweeted a vile post that essentially made out heidi cruz to be ugly in comparison to his own wife. somebody who's that coarse, that mean, and that misogynistic, do you think you would ask your children to look up to that person? >> this is probably going to sound selfish on my part, but i think we're all very selfish, especially when you want to make better opportunities for yourself and take advantage of an oppressive situation for the last couple of years and i usually don't like to talk bad about hillary clinton. i think she has many merits. but in retrospect when you look back on everything she went

through and women fled through, and mr. clinton's life in the white house, it's pretty much apples for apples. what i try to engage in as a single mom of a 19-year-old son is the fact that he stands on a platform that is important to me in general, whether it's the tax plan, the child exemption plan, the senior health care plan, whether it's repealing obamacare. i try to look through the muddy waters and i try to go to where i know i need to be. i need to have more opportunities. i need to have the opportunity to have a better job. to have a better income. to not have to pay the abysmal monthly payment that i do to my health care every single month. that is what i see. and i know it probably sounds very selfish, but i am not looking at this as a point. but this isn't what makes me decide whether i am or not going

to vote for him. if you put a blanket on both of them and you looked at the qualities each one had. say they both have scandals. they both have scandals. what he rempresents is what i want. the tax plan, repealing obamacare, conservative values. that's what i look at. i don't think those things that happen in the past or perhaps just his persona should decide. it's not going to decide for me at this point. like i said, anything can change. i'm an independent right now, but i could vote for miss hillary clinton as well. >> i know what you're saying and a lot of conservative people of color really do focus on things like tax cuts and that for you personally, you see that there's an economic benefit to you that a republican would be in the white house. i understand that. but you talk about conservative values and i don't really think it's apples to apples. i don't think hillary clinton ever said things like this about women. i mean, we have him having called a journalist the "c"

word. you have a 19-year-old son. if your son did that, would you approve? >> not at all. he's had a different upbringing, but let's not forget the things that happened. the confrontations and hillary clinton. >> has she made a comment of that kind? >> not lately. >> not lately? >> she referred to me as a deplorable. the fact that i am going to vote for mr. trump is a person looking out for my needs, which is what's happening in this country. i think many people are tired of establishment and looking further. he's basically, if you took him and like i said, placed a blanket over him or took someone else and put him in his place, people are not voting for him but what he stands for. and one of the things i don't particularly care for is late term abortions, which is something she has a heavy platform on. i don't have a problem with you having an abortion, but i don't want to pay for it and i don't think that should be. that's not my particular standpoint.

for the ones that have it, i totally respect it. as an independent. i have some democratic values and have some republican values but i want to vote for the one i think is best for me and in the end, can you blame me? >> i just want to say, republicans don't pay for abortions. there's an amendment that doesn't allow it. but allow my panel to come into the conversation. let me bring in ali vatali. ali has covered for nbc news and editor in chief for the national memo and lisa bloom in the panel. we have a big mega panel and i'll start ali with you. you've been out on the campaign trail. you listened to what ileana had to say. is that the argument you hear trump supporters saying? he said terrible things, but you know, hillary clinton. what's the argument you hear echo back to you as to why they

support donald trump despite all of this? >> largely, yes. it's of that. the idea they care more about what he says on immigration and national security. those things really resonate with him but what i find interesting and i was talking to a bunch of people in florida a few days ago and what do you think about the tweets in general? at this point, he hadn't tweeted what he tweeted the other night and say the only criticism is it's not going to make me not vote for him but i wish he'd stop or pull it back and focus on the issues more. so there is this thought these things are a distraction. with that being said, i asked women, what about he brings up hillary clinton is in some way to blame for her husband's infidelities and they'll be like, if she can't control her husband, she can't control the country. and that mentality really exists. when you see him reviving the attacks on clinton and a hillary clinton problem, that's something that resonates with his supporters. i don't know that gains him anything new with the people he's trying to appeal to in the

general but the people at his rallies right now feel that way. they hear that and they agree with it. >> it's similar to ileana because they really believe that the tax cuts and repealing the affordable care act are more important than the president? >> i think it's much less if you bring out the idea there's a sexist tinge, a lot do feel what he's saying about hillary clinton is warranted. >> even the women? >> that's what's amazing. you'll ask them about his past comments about rosie o'donnell or after the debate. they didn't see any issue. the reason they feel that way is a lot turned, anyone but clinton. abc. but despite the fact a lot of things he's saying are hard to defend when you look at the fact that on twitter the other night, he's basically shaming this woman. whether or not the sex tape exists is irrelevant.

the idea she was expressing sexuality in a way and he's not been mute on his own history. but it's an attack on femasexua. >> ileana, if we fast forwarded to donald trump is not candidate donald trump and this is for of na, he was the president the united states and continued to say the things he's saying now, continued to disparage people like miss machado, would you be comfortable with that? >> i would want him to rectify that. i see that moment perhaps he had at 3:00 in the morning or 5:00 in the morning as a vulnerable moment just like hillary clinton on stage. >> do you think? i mean, seriously. if she said some of donald trump's supporters are deplorable and let's be clear, some of donald trump's

supporters are connected to the neonazi movement. she didn't talk about you. you seem to be a perfectly nice woman. you're more focused on the economic stuff. she wasn't talking about you but the neonazis. >> i don't think that has anything to do with mr. trump. >> they're supporting him. he's supporting. and he's happy to have their support. >> no, he's not. no. >> steve bannon said the outfit he ran is essentially a home of the alt right which is sort of a hipster neonazi movement. >> i don't know of that. and i don't think that, that would be liable here at this point. i don't think that mr. trump at this point with everything he's invested, with all of the emphasis that he puts. i mean, he is resilient. he's constant. on the road in three cities at

once. wouldn't allow something like that. >> whado you make of this? you've heard now what ileana had to say and ali's reporting. what do you make of this? >> miss garcia, i want to talk to you woman to woman because i think we as women are trained to put ourselves last and not think of women's issues as important and everything else is more important and we'll just sort of take a backseat. and you're obviously very intelligent and respected and i do respect you because i see you really struggling with the issues, you're not just sort of a knee jerk trump supporter. i see you as a thoughtful pe ff person. what make you think trump doing this before the election is going to change? he's fat shaming, slut shaming alicia machado and even if there

was a sex tape, he's an aficionado of sex tapes. he's been punishing women. he just can't stop himself and don't we value ourselves as women enough to say that this man is just not acceptable for us and for our daughters, not acceptable for the girls in america? >> i can pretty much say the same when you flat out, i'm going to flat out say it. what better example with bill clinton did in the white house with monica lewinsky? there's paula jones. a whole bunch of things. like i said, if we're going to put apples for apples, something that can presumably happen but we're talking about to perhaps what already did happen in the white house during the bill clinton administration. >> but bill clinton's not running for president. but you know something, people think that hillary will be an

extension of bill clinton, which they weren't bad, let me tell you something one of the best years for me and i remember walking around the hallways. i just had my baby boy and remember everyone saying, we don't want him impeached at this point regardless of what he did to her because the country is doing well. so is that selfish or not selfish? >> i agree with you. i didn't like what bill clinton did. i'm a sexual harassment attorney for 30 years and i thought what he did was terrible and i think hillary clinton was the victim of that. but here we are 20 years later and your candidate with all due respect just yesterday is tweeting out a bunch of lies about a latino woman who had the guts to come out against them. i represent jill hearth who accused him back in 1997. he is t he settled that case in weeks because i think he was afraid of it. he has a long history of being

overtly cruel. if you're not white, thin, surgery enhanced, you're not worthy in his eyes. how dare alicia put on a few pounds when she was miss universe. wasn't she a wonderful role model? couldn't she have still been miss universe and looked like that? >> we are up against a break. we do have a clock and we want to get the full panel in. i want to give ileana a chance to answer. we'll come back on the other side of the break and extend this panel a little bit longer. just a minute. in a minute.

all right. my terrific panel is back with me and ileana garcia, who is with latinas for trump. lisa, i think, two of you had a powerful exchange. i want to give you an opportunity to respond just on

this question as a woman, the idea of having a president of the united states who's doing this firsthand. i mean, hillary clinton is not bill clinton. bill clinton is not running for president. this is hillary clinton, who's a victim, really, of her husband's infidelity. so how do you answer? >> she had a series of reactions during her process, which i feel for her. i feel for her because she went through it on several occasions. they weren't necessarily, i consider, the most correct. she was obviously defending her husband and herself but not very pro woman at the moment when she was defending herself. that was a typical reaction. and if we're going to once again, measure apples for apples. >> is that though? i mean, you're talking about a wife who was the victim of her husband's infidelity. you're comparing that to donald trump himself said women are pigs, dogs, disgusting. i mean, this would be the president of the united states.

what conservative values does donald trump have in your view if he speaks that way up to and including within the last 48 hours? >> what can i tell you? that's obviously part of his transparency. i don't want to defend that because i'm getting offended here on social media as it is. >> that makes me happy. >> but number one, i see him as a person who hires women. who deals with women. perhaps these particular women didn't have a good interaction, to my better understanding. the situation with rosie o'donnell. it was that he was defending kelly ripa but in the end, it's about, i'm sorry to say, joy, it's about me. it's about everything he can offer, not only the women or the african-americans but all of us in general for the betterment of the country whether it's the tax plans or reinforcements in child care and health care. it's all the the othother thing

not seeing. let's talk about the democratic side. i don't think either one of them should be elected because the other one is worse. whoever it is is because they're offering you something. >> that's why we don't want to get into the sort of a revert because we want to stay on this. >> you ha lot of people had tru transparent and authentic, about being racist, sexist, so i don't give you credit for being open about your racism and your sexism. one day, we'll sit around and say, when did the trump campaign actually end? and some people say it will be the con moment, the machado moment, it ended in his childhood when he was trained to be a bully and unable to let anything ever go. and your point earlier about the existential nature of being a president, we have seen this with barack obama. the way that the country is

transformed just by the sort of person you are and seeing this dignified black family as so powerful for all americans. can you imagine what america's energy would be with this man? clearly, white men are put on a pedestal and women are lesser, black people are lesser, latinos are lesser, muslims are lesser. that would be psychically damaging for the country and no idea who he will enact. the wall is impossible. the muslim ban is impossible. none of these things are actually possible. >> the tax plan is not going to help anybody like miss garcia who said she's having trouble for health care. it's for the ultra rich and more research not just about the tax plan but the campaign manager and other aspects of the campaign she seems to know nothing about, in fact. there's that. but the other thing i wanted to

address, it's misogyny to attempt to blame hillary clinton for what her husband did. straight up. it's not an accident this comes from the trump campaign now, which has hired or brought in roger als who was too much of a misogynist for fox news. rupert murdock, not exactly a progressive for women's issues but okay for the trump campaign and the one who's directing these attacks on hillary clinton and bill clinton and her keeping her marriage, by the way, these are people married three times. trump, you know, cheated on his second wife, giuliani, newt gingrich, served divorce papers on his wife in the hospital. hillary clinton, whether you agree or not, she decided she wanted to preserve her marriage for her family, for her daughter. that to me is the conservative value, isn't it? if you're talking about conservative values, she's a methodist. she made marriage vows and decided to keep them to the best of her ability despite a lot of

pain and trouble. and a lot of nonsense from people who wanted to delve into their personal life for political and partisan gain. >> including david bossi. that's david bossi's pet project to attack hillary clinton. he's on the campaign. and i have to really quickly ask, because you did represent somebody who filed sexual harassment charges against donald trump. what does it do to you in your spirit to know that not only is roger ails advising his campaign but they would be empowered in a trump presidency. rudy giuliani, i don't know what job trump would give him but people like newt gingrich and steve bannon who himself accused by his own wife of violence and of running her out of town so she couldn't tell on him. >> it turns out that hiring a guy who was just fired for sexual harassment to help you prepare for a debate against a very smart woman who raises

misogyny claims against you was not a great strategy. who knew? who could have imagined such a thing? and i refuse to be afraid. i channel susan b. anthony and the women who struggled and some died for our rights to vote as women. women are going to run trump out of this campaign. women are going to elect hillary clinton. we vote in greater numbers than any other group. hillary clinton was brilliant at bringing up the alicia machado issue and strategizing to drop the video. donald trump walked into the trap including yesterday at 3:00 a.m. by keeping the issue alive and ultimately, it's going to be women who decide this election and ileana, i would love to go out for a beer with you some time, not this early in the morning, because i think you are open to the concept of valuing women and girls. >> putting us first. >> can i ask you a question? aren't we innocent until proven guilty?

in general, as an attorney, aren't we all innocent? it seems like what i've heard here recently is just the other way around. i'm sure all of you have valid points. i've heard some "e.tethnocentri points. it's about perception and filtering. >> the author? >> he said i know nothing about the tax plan. it's 12, 25, and 32 and money is going to come back to me without receiving. >> incomes to know if that's true. it's clear the benefit goes to the top. >> ileana, go up. >> a fraction of 1%. the greatest benefit goes to the top fraction of 1%. okay? >> 12/25/32 is nothing to do with the top.

>> any of this, could be talking about taxes and jobs which are great issues but we're talking about this because he made it the issue we're talking about. >> and i think it's the point. donald trump doesn't talk about his tax plan but women's weight and looks. i hope ileana would come back. i think we should have cocktails. i feel like you are struggling a little more. you're very good today and coherent, but i feel like you may be struggling a bit. because we want to be proud as well. >> yes, in the end, it's about, i think my decision was also based on the last eight years. for me, they were very apathetic. part of the middle class that i saw shrink. >> prioritize women, ileana. prioritize yourself. >> we have to leave it there, but i hope you think, it's not just a tax cut of myself but just who we are as a country. hopefully we can all have cocktails together and discuss this. >> kumbaya. >> thank you, ileana garcia.

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panel. it was just such a hot topic. mtk. i don't know if you were able to hear. >> out loud on national tv, mtk. >> i know. all of our internal stuff is just coming out right now. let it out. what did you make of ileana's garcia defense of donald trump saying as long as she gets tax cuts, she's fine with what she heard, and do you think that particularly millennial voters and latina women will feel the same way? >> first of all, i think joe was absolutely right. she's not clear on his policy. the fact donald trump does not support minimum wage speaks volumes but more importantly, when he was talking about alicia, the way he was talking about, he was trying to create housekeeping as a denigrating word that is beneath everybody. he built his wealth on the backs of housekeepers who basically maintained.

they earn 50 cents on the dollar. the fact that she cannot see how this individual is actually completely against her best interest is troubling and i can tell she was struggling and she's incredibly articulate and wants something better for herself and future but it's very clear she doesn't understand the policies or nuances and that's what makes it challenging. the l.a. times recently came out with a piece saying when he would visit his golf courses on the west coast, he would make sure the people, the waitresses were beautiful. they weren't. he wanted them fired. that is going back to time in the 1960s and 1970s. this is not the idea we're empowering women to be the best they could possibly be. >> and we talked about it on the break. since we expose the secrets. you talked to millennials about the it shassues. the housekeeping bit and shaming. >> i think if we step back for a moment and think about the fact

if a 70-year-old man was saying, check out sex tape about a much younger woman who was involved, he himself owned. and then you have all of these making the rounds, older men making the rounds saying she was falling outside the boundaries of acceptable sexuality. this is a generation familiar with the word body shaming, slut shaming and more likely to not be shocked by public displays of sexuality and snapchat, got to throw out those words. it's not an exotic strange thing somebody might have chosen to display their sexuality and i think it's striking, like it's okay when it was profiting donald trump to be in the miss universe pageant on the terms he set. but once she challenged him and once she stepped outside of the bounds of the sexuality, it was okay by them, all of the sudden, she's, quote, no angel. >> i wonder if he seems like an alien to some millennials because trump reminds me of some of the men of my father's

generation, some of the older boomers who remember that '50s period when ralph, archie bunker, representing that sort of idea. and i recognize that, right? if you're younger, younger than me, you may not have experienced that firsthand. so it doesn't remind you of your grandfather, friends, what have you. trump is a caricature of an old school man and part of that caricature is establishing dominance over everybody, especially over women, and doing it by rating them, reducing them to numbers, body parts. even though trump, he's standing in judgment even though he cannot spell judgment and obese himself. >> when we start actually looking at alicia back then, he was 10 or 15 pounds overweight, she was beautiful. and i think that picture of that, like, she's overweight? we cannot achieve that if the

beauty queen looks beautiful when she's quote, unquote, overweight. >> the idea of a plusize model. >> you can't control trump but they told newt, go out there and make the point she gained 60 pounds. somebody said. >> trump called it, but she was fat. >> and i want to play alicia machado but hear it in her own words. this was alicia on "the today show" on wednesday. >> what else did he call you? what were the names? >> miss piggy, miss housekeeping, miss eating machine. >> all to your face? >> all the time. that was really normal for him in that moment. >> let's talk just a minute whether this translates into action. the percentage of eligible voters, millennials are 31% of the electorate. and let's go to voters under 30

right now in florida, north carolina, and pennsylvania. 54%. 28%. and 46% to 27%. so trump isn't doing well by any stretch but i wonder if this moment galvanizes people to actually vote. >> i think one of the problems that hillary clinton has had with millennials is that because the primary process, because of the familiarity with voters, people have actually sort of equated her with donald trump and everything he does to show his donald trumpness puts the light to that argument and i think, oh, they're both same old politics. no difference between the parties, which, you know, you're seeing a lot in the reporting on millennials and leading to the apathy we didn't see in the past two cycles. anything trump does that underlines the way he is, i think really helps hillary clinton and activates young voters. >> same thing on latinos.

particularly on hispanic women. does that happen? is this going to galvanize people and alicia the best surrogate that hillary clinton has in terms of galvanizing latina voters? >> joy, i think the narrative of the november 19th is that two immigrant families won the miss muslim woman and then went basically, this es lelection is trying to define, who is america? two choices. one who lost the son fighting for the country and one, i'm american as everyone. my work is dig nifiedignified. so many are housekeepers and the millennials, their parents are housekeepers. it is hard work. my aunts, they were housekeepers. this is so personal. this idea of demeaning good work in america is not acceptable. trying to actually classify

someone because of who they are only shows his colors. he claims to be someone that is for the people for the average person but all he smells of is elitism. >> everybody latina then is a housekeeper, right, so am i, are we defined by what the group of us do? >> we'll have you come back. back later in the show. please come back. good to see you again. coming up in the next hour, billionaire "shark tank" host, dallas mavericks owner, mark cuban talks about the debate and the donald's impulse control and an unpdate on the guy who said there would be a taco truck on every corner. you did not dream it. but first, polls. a conspiracy or donald trump actually losing. stay with us.

up next, the latest bombshell from "newsweek's" kurt eik eikenwald.

the people in this room know better than anyone, putting money inuba right now doesn't go to the people of cuba, it goes into the pockets of fidel castro. he's a murderer. he's a killer. and he's a bad guy in every respect, and frankly, the embargo against cuba must stand, if for no other reason, he will come down. >> welcome back to "a.m. joy." back in 1999, when donald trump was first flirting with the idea

of running for president, he was hard lining against the cuba foundation in miami. but kurt eikenwald said they had illegal business dealings during fidel's reign and in violation of the u.s. am bembargo. kelly ann conway denounced and trump himself had this to say. >> i never have been in cuba or did business with cuba. there's nothing else to say. i never did business in cuba. i would tell you openly if i did. >> pollster and the author of that explosive cover story on trump's castro connection. kurt eichenwald. and the response to your reporting on "the view." take a listen. >> are you denying that his company spent any money in cuba?

>> i think they paid money, as i understand, in 1998. talking about years ago when it comes to the clintons, but trump. he's very critical of cuba and critical of castro and gave the speech the next year to the cuban american national foundation critical of those who want to do business with castro and talked about the cuban embargo but we're talking about did his hotel invest money in 1998 in cuba. no. >> kurt, you're reporting. your response. >> kelly ann is a lawyer. i've never heard a lawyer go on national tv and say my client is guilty. you are not allowed to spend a dime in cuba. it has to be approved. sponsorship from an outside organization like a charity for

humanitarian purposes and what donald trump's company did with donald trump's knowledge is, at a time when it sounded like the cuban embargo was going to be loosened, they rushed some consultants down to cuba to meet with castro and spent $68,000 on this effort. i don't know how you spend $68,000 on a trip to cuba but we have the documentation and it shows they did it and talked after the fact how to disguise it as a charitable effort. so when trump, it was seven months after they cut that check that donald trump stood up and said, oh, i would never do business in cuba. he already did. and the last thing is what trump is talking about, yet trump himself has never been to cuba,

just like somebody who orders an execution didn't kill anybody, trump sent somebody out. trump did not end up doing a deal, did not end up building a building in cuba. but that's not the end of doing business. if that's the standard, trump has only done business a limited number of times in his life. meetings with financiers and he did business in cuba. >> briefly sending someone down there to the consultancy which she kind of confirmed on "the view" and threw shade, trump does no business in cuba. respected embargo and was critical of castro. is that a crime and why not investigated for it?

>> yes, the statute of limitations is five years. it's already run. one important thing i think people need to understand. that company was donald trump's public company which the share price collapsed while trump was in charge. and if they're saying, well, we really didn't do it, they're saying that they kept false records in their files. the invoice they received. the check they cut are not real and that's another crime if you're a public company. >> and trying to disguise it as a charity. i've got to come to you. does it end up mattering? i know it's important in and of itself but does it matter electorally in florida? >> absolutely does, joy. think about what happened in the 2012 election. barack obama got 48% of the cuban american vote in florida which was an apocalyptic number for republicans because it

helped him pick what a lot of people thought what was the republican lock on florida. they needed to vote by less than a percentage point but if you think about that and we're in the field with a poll here in battleground state florida. we've been in the field for the last two nights since kurt eichenwald's story. and we know the importance of florida. if the cuban vote in florida, long thought to be the republican base vote on the hispanic side starts to shift again towards hillary clinton and the democrats. you put that lock on the state and there's no math or electoral path for the republicans. >> does it wind up hurting someone like a marco rubio and they have to respond to this. does it wind up hurting them? >> it's interesting to see the torture logic of marco rubio and

congressman diaz. no tolerance and now have to explain, maybe it was okay because he did it but didn't invest all the way. so that does hurt those folks. >> we'll be back. always, thank you for your reporting. check the story out on "newsweek." rudy giuliani would like to bring justice to the streets of america. something to look forward to. ♪ using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the framework... wire... and plants needed to give my shop... a face... no one will forget. see what the power of points can do for your business. learn more at chase.com/ink 80% try to eat healthy, see what the power of points can do for your business. yet up to 90% fall short in getting key nutrients from food alone.

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we're in a national crisis, yet my opponent, hillary clinton, continues to attack the police. first, she calls our supporters, many of them cops, soldiers, firefighters, deplorable, and r irredeemable. and then in our debate this week, she accuses the entire country including all of law enforcement of implicit bias

essentially suggesting that everyone including our police are basically racist and prejudiced. >> welcome back to "a.m. joy." donald trump stumped in the heart of ruby red wisconsin this week with a law and order message tailor made for a county that hasn't voted for a democrat for president since 1964. trump's speech came days after his pitch for more stop and frisk during monday's high stakes didnebate but the stop a frisk in new york until the city was sued on behalf of black and latino residents. by the end of 2013, the federal judge hearing ruled that the practice violated the constitution, unquote and went to falsely claim it was responsible for lowering crime in new york city. >> in new york city, stop and frisk, we had 2,200 murders and stop and frisk brought it down to 500 murders. so it was continued on by mayor

bloomberg and it was terminated by our current mayor but stop and frisk had a tremendous impact on the safety of new york city, tremendous beyond belief. so when you say it has no impact, it really did. it had a very, very big impact. >> it's also fair to say if we're going to talk about mayors that under the current mayor, crime has continued to drop including murders. >> you're wrong. you're wrong. murders are up. >> joining me is michael denzel smith. give to every millennial. write it down. "invisible man, got the whole world watching." former ohio state and hugh hewitt. i'll go to you first. when you hear the idea of bringing backstop a stop and frd it was ruled unconstitutional. what do you think? >> obviously, if you're going to run a racist campaign, i think

that's the thing. when he brought up thlanguage o law and order. that's the southern strategy. that's t appeal to folks who believe in the black urban threat that's creeping all the time. tell us what it is. it's a surprise it took him so long to get around to black folks. he hit every group and finally now implementing this sort of racist language around the policing of black people in this country. i mean, i welcome it in that i'm glad donald trump's ideology is on full display. >> you're right. it's being very open but also inaccurate. crime in the 30 largest cities. we have from the fbi uniform crime reports from 1990 to 2014 and the brendan center put these numbers together and you can see the direction that crime is going and yet, you have rudy giuliani who's become one of the

chief surrogates for donald trump at this rally in waukesha, almost no african-americans, this was rudy giuliani in wisconsin on wednesday. take a listen. >> decided in 1968, stop and frisk is constitutional. donald trump's description was totally correct. hillary clinton's saying that the court found stop and frisk to be unconstitutional was wrong, and worst of all, lester holt backed her up. what's he, our campaign manager or a journalist? >> three things on this, hugh hewitt. referencing 1968, which seems just a clear and unambiguous throwback, we'll dgo back to th era of 1960s. he's a former u.s. attorney, former mayor. just plainly wrong, fact chuall wrong and a contempt for our

judicial system to basically portend that a ruling, a federal judge's ruling on stop and frisk never actually happened. is this any way to expand the base of the donald trump voter cohort and of the republican party? >> well, joy. a couple of facts. stop and frisk generally is not unconstitutional. as it was practiced in new york, it was decided by the federal district court was because it was motivated by a racial bias. they have revised and reworked the policy and what is in place now is in fact constitutional. so it's a complicated fact check. 1968 law and order, yes, echoes of that campaign in this campaign because there are echoes of detentions in this campaign. just before we came on the air, i saw the news story of the leaked hillary clinton audio saying the bernie sanders supporters are living in the parents basements. >> what does that have to do

with the discussion with stop and frisk? >> takes a second. you got to bring in different voting groups, not lose them. what donald trump is trying to bring in victims of crime or people afraid of crime. what hillary clinton is trying to do is bring in millennials. his approach probably worked for his target audience in the debate. her approach to try to appeal via the miss universe has been undercut by this audio which i think will dominate the next 24 to 48 hours. >> donald trump has been crushed with millennials. not more than 22% with millennials and the crime rate number back up. sort of the fear of crime has nothing to do with reality and i would posit. >> you're absolutely right. he's tapping into the fear and the anxiety and the grievances of the forgotten.

and that forgotten folk, demographically, he is speaking to the blue collar working class white folks in this country and that's not to say they all have those types of tendencies but we've all been socialized in a society in america whether you're white, black, latino, asian, native american, the mosaic of humanity in this country, we've been socialized in a society that says black folks are more criminal than anybody else and unless we deliberately deconstruct our construction all throughout our lives, we have that. and it is really very much in the dna of america, so it is easy for mr. trump to tap into that but we have to call it what it is, and this whole law and order doesn't work. it's not a good look for the african-american community or the latino community or even poor communities because what it means when we hear that is there is a siege and/or an occupation of our communities. and it does not do a whole lot

to bring together law enforcement and the african-american community. in particular, where we know the tensions are really high because the african-american community is asking for accountability, transparency, asking for trust, but also a high level of respect for law enforcement in that community. so it is a false narrative all together but tapping into an emotional fear that people have in this country and that fear is very much targeted towards african-americans. >> and we have nah that millenn number and it's the two sides, how they're doing in terms of millennial voters but with african-americans, there's a narrative there's not a lot of excitement to get out and vote and enthusiasm or motivation. does talk like this about law and order, about lock her up, bringing backstop a stop and frd rudy giuliani who did nothing but target african-americans with the police force not in uniform and sort of stalking the streets of the city, harassing

men of color, does this finally get black millennials to focus on this election? >> i don't think they're unfocused on the election. it's obviously a very engaged and politically activated generation but i think that question that happened during the debate, like the very first race question encapsulated young black people's conversation around racism in the united states. the framing of the question. how are we going to get to racial healing instead of how to undo institutional racism and hillary clinton's answer was unsatisfactory in that she starts off talking about policing and like, just opens that door and then you have, like, donald trump's bluster and all of his racism and his employing of racist language in the throwback and then that's also scary. so it's not that people are not, like, young black people are not engaged but seeing that no one is opening the door up to talk about how the ways in which institutional racism

overdetermines black people's lives and then how to dismantle that and then focusing the race on criminal justice reform. something like that, instead of talking about, like, education. instead of talking about housing or water. things like that, that we see play out over and over again and no one wants to get to the root that racism is an undercurrent that runs every institution in the united states. >> i have to ask you this question, because i'm starting to kind of have these conversations with people in my own life. i think the statistics are in hillary clinton's favor, but donald trump could still win. he could still become president. i want you for our audience to imagine, what does the race conversation look like in america with donald trump, rudy giuliani, and that crowd, steven bannon, you know, david bossy, those people in power. what does the race conversation

look like a year from now? >> well, let's go back. i traveled the country with sheriff david clark two weeks ago. the african-american sheriff of waukee county, an adamant donald trump supporter and believes the conversation on race has to shift dramatically. i want to go back and note you were correct. hillary clinton has a huge advantage in polling among my len y lenia millennials but if she doesn't get them out to vote. >> we're not going to go back. you're the expert at pivoting, but i need you to just answer the question because we don't have a ton of time. what does the race conversation look like in a year from now? that specific question. >> i think david clarke will lead it for donald trump. >> he's going to get zero percent of the african-american vote. david clark is the sheriff whose hostility is probably only outdone by rudy giuliani and didn't somebody just starve to

death? just die of thirst in his jail? let me go to nina. >> i don't think they'll get zero percent of the african-american vote. >> if david clark is leading the conversation on race, good luck with that. might as well stick with giuliani. you are the mother of a law enforcement officer and somebody understands this race conversation from both sides of it. what does the race conversation look like in a donald trump presidency in your view a year from now if he were to win? >> given what he's started in cleveland, make america safe again, it doesn't look very good. and i certainly agree with the young man and my apologies for not remembering his name, both woefully inadequate in addressing this issue. i think we can go back to the report in the 1960s of which president lbj did not take any recommendations but really pointed out that they are moving towards two societies. one black, one white. we know it's more multicultural now but one black, one white,

separate and equal. that's the reality and the recommendations in terms of the most powerful and wealthy country on the face of this earth using the power of public policy and public wheel. african-americans are not delusional. it does exist socially, economically, politically, legally. all of that and unless we have the political will to say, yes, it exists, and yes, we, both public and private sector, are going to step up and do something about it. i worry about my son all the time on both sides. a young man who wears a badge and a gun who took an oath to protect and serve but also when he is out of uniform, is just as vulnerable as anybody else. i get it. people in law enforcement want to see loved ones come home safe. that's a given. but we can have all of that. so when you have a candidate that's continuing to build that tension between black and brown

folks and law enforcement, it does not help law enforcement. and it does not help the united states of america. we have to have a come to jesus meeting in this country real quick, and i don't believe we have to wait for the next presidential candidate to do that. we have a president right now. we have governors, mayors, members of legislatures and city councils who need to use their might to do something in this country. >> i'll end with you on this. donald trump were to become president of the united states, pretty soon that model for winning is going to catch on and then you'll have mayor donald trumps and governor donald trumps and judge donald trumps and district attorney donald trumps. you're going to have his ideology proliferate our government system to where it could impact you and i individually in the cities in which we live. what does that race conversation look like a year from now if

there are sheriff david clarks in charge of criminal justice in our communities and if on the economic side, there are people like steven bannon? >> well, i think, i honestly think no matter who's president, the race conversation looks like ferguson and it looks like baltimore. it looks like charlotte. it looks like the movement on the ground. i think though, what we'll have is donald trump to be president if we were to have this proliferation of folks like donald trump being elected into office, we're going to see just more of what people call riots because the frustration will boil over. i think we're going. you know, if donald trump loses, i think we'll see a level of violence that we're not prepared for because of the frustration on that side. but i think we have to prepare ourselves for the fact that this is a volatile moment.

and we're not clear on what it looks like on the other side of the election. >> absolutely. and to your final point, donald trump going back on his idea of accepting the results of the election does not bode well no matter what happens. nina smith and mychal turner. thank you. coming up next, mark cuban joins me to talk all things trump. stay with us. business was built with passion... but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. with it, i earn unlimited 2% cash back on all of my purchasing. and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business... which adds fuel to my bottom line. what's in your wallet?

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mark cuban's a real billionaire who actually uses profit sharing. >> well, it does help to have a real member of the billionaires club on your side when you're going after donald trump. i had to chance to talk to dallas mavericks owner mark cuban on friday about the state of the race, monday's debate and trolling trump from the front row. mark cuban, thank you so much for being with us today. >> thank you, joy. thanks for having me. >> so we have been dying to talk with you because you are among, i would talk you in the top three trolls of donald trump. you seem to be able to get under his skin like only elizabeth warren and hillary clinton and apparently alicia machado do. what do you suppose is the reason he is so excitable? >> he just has thin skin. that's just who he is and i think it has a lot to do with the own personal insecurities. i always try, the more he talks about something, typically, the less secure he is about that

subject or topic and i just try to have fun with it knowing it's going to drive him crazy. >> and when you talk about the topi that make him the most insecure, i think most people would agree one of them is the questions of his wealth. and you, of course, sir, are a wealthy man and one of the reasons i think you get to him is to get this psychological make-up that feels that wealthier people are looking down on him. there are moments in the debate with hillary clinton where he had been pretty good for about 20 minutes and mentioned the $14 million and the fact he might not be that rich. so you've g >> why won't he release his tax returns? and i think there may be a coupling cou couple of reasons. not as rich he says he is. >> what most people would agree that's the unraveling for the next 90 minutes? >> because it was a direct question of everything he said up to that moment. which was, it was only a small

million dollar loan compared to my dad giving me $20 a week but a small million dollar loan to start his career. and once she challenged that and pointed out he was off by so much, i think that really got to him and plus, being in the audience, you could hear a little giggle coming from the audience at that point and i think that just escalated things for him and then it was the door from there. >> you were most famously invited to the debate by the clinton camp. we see this as one of the other examples of them trolling donald trump by having you there in the audience. do you think he was able to see you? were you making eye contact with him? tell us about that. >> he certainly saw me and his family, who was just right across the aisle, saw and rudy giuliani, en he saw me, all i could hear him say is, what's he doing here? they were certainly aware that i was there but i mean, i don't think it impacted his performance. i know the secretary clinton

said here in the audience react negative and with amusement, a lot of the things, the points he didn't expect that response and egging him on and baiting him, that was just a combustible combination. >> what did you make of the response to invite gennifer flowers and ultimately, the plug got pulled but what did you make of the situation? >> the ridiculousness of donald trump. he has no sense of balance. he has no situational awareness. that's what gets him into so much trouble. it's one thing if you could put things on par and come up with some equivalency. whether it's to me or any situation. he just doesn't understand equivalency in any situation, and that gets him in significant trouble and one of the many reasons he's unfit to be

president. >> i think some think of the world of having a billionaire's club, people as wealthy as you all know each other. we won't expose too much about it. no inside secrets but do you think donald trump is as rich as he says he is? he said he's worth $10 billion and forbes said maybe $3.3 billion. what do you think? >> being rich is a great thing but two types. cash rich and having liquidity and there's asset rich and being poor. i would say you could value donald's assets in a lot of different ways and come up with a net rth of a lot of different numbers but one thing you can't revalue is his liquidity and how much cash he has because he has to declare that in the fdc statements and if you don't have liquidity, you can't buy things or do things. i'll give you a perfect example. he's bragging about how much he's getting from little contributors, the $200 and under. from what i read, it's under $100 million. if he was so rich, why would he take their money instead of using his own, particularly after claiming so many times, he

could fund his own campaign? he's completely forgotten about that and no trouble taking people's last dollars. so when it comes to his wealth, i think maybe, you could pick any number for assets but when it comes to liquidity and cash, he's a lot closer, he's just not wealthy as he makes it seem. >> and the scuttlebutt is that you were at least in the running to play donald trump in the debate for hillary clinton. you want to confirm that? >> i was never asked. >> if you had been, and, you know, early on in the campaign when you were a lot more neutral between hillary clinton and donald trump, your name was floated around as somebody who could be a running mate for either one. if you were on team trump right now or playing him in a debate, what should he have said and answered to hillary clinton's clear baiting of him on his wealth, businesses? what should he have said?

>> if anybody is in the position watching pressure and have to keep your cool. you just have to take, like secretary clinton did. you have to take the question. acknowledge that they're trying to criticize you and thenust deal with it, answerit, and then move on to the next issue. his problem is he never directly answered any questions. he was asked about dealing with lone wolf terrorism directly and still hasn't answered the question and if you're not able to give a direct answer, you're not able to truly deflect and deal with the pressure of that situation. >> the other moment, i think, most people would agree that threw donald trump off is when hillary clinton brought up alicia machado, the former miss universe who now attacked both verbally on fox news. what's going on with donald trump and his sort of attitude toward women? >> well, first, his attitude towards women. there's a long history there and plenty of evidence there that,

you know, he objectifies them and doesn't take them seriously. so that's one issue. but i think, you know, from a race and a campaign perspective, you could see how flustered he is and that's pulling him away from his advisors. when he starts ranting about, where did you get that information? where did that come from? that goes directly to the heart of his feeling like he's lost control. i see it in business all the time, when you ask somebody a direct question and all it takes is admitting there's a problem and dealing with the mistake that they question your sources, they question your authenticity, when that happens, that just shows that he's lost control. and the last thing donald trump, even in his own alternate reality, the world he lives in, he can't stand the fact that he might have lost control. and that's why it set him off so much. >> we will have much more of my interview with mark cuban on

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by far, the most viral moment of television i've ever been involved with was this interview filling in for my friend chris hays on all in. >> this is a different time. we're having problems here. >> what problems are you talking about? >> my culture is a very dominant culture. it's causing problems. if you don't do something about it, you'll have taco trucks every corner. >> the man who issued that dire warning that if we don't control mexican migration pretty soon, the country would be overrun by tasty treats by domineering chefs and vendors.

latinos for trump. a group we should note not affiliated with the trump campaign officially. but wondered, what became of mr. gutierrez? we haven't seen him since. a news and humor site called latino rebels found gutierrez apparently has been unceremoniously dumped. wheeled away him at top speed after that clip spawned about a million parodies and even taco truck based voter registration drives and formed a new organization, latinos with trump. marco not included. sought to get to the bottom of it. the newly formed group, did you throw him under the bus? now it's latinos wh trump and not latinos for trump. gutierrez himself confirmed the split and one more note. turns out he's got an interesting history with immigration. as he confirmed to latino rebels, he and his family actually benefitted from amnesty

during the reagan administration. make america great again indeed. up next, my guest has recommendations for trump's surrogates about how to talk about immigration. don't miss it.

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joy, listen. i would have a softer tone on illegals. >> can you do me a favor, while you're talking to me, not use that terminology? but go on. >> i will not do you that favor because the english language matters, use terms. they're here illegally. >> my last question. >> my father came here legally. >> my parents came here as immigrants too, steve. so congratulations on that. that's absurd. >> you just used a code word. that was part of my interview last month with steve cortes, trump surrogate. a lot of criticism of how the media is on donald trump.

pulitzer winner vargas of emerging u.s. and a campaign called #wordsmatter that challenges journalists to drop the term "illegals" from their vocabulary. we were just talking about it's been over a year because you moved to the west coast. >> i said, if only more journalists would follow the joy reid style. the fact you questioned steve cortes the way you did. and fascinating is this in this campaign. most journalists have bought into the framing that donald trump has given us about immigrants, right? one thing with "the washington post" termed the term illegal. are they following donald trump's play book? >> that's the question. in that sort of back and forth with steve, who's a nice guy. i like steve cortes. but it's sort of, i kind of reacted with consternation. he's a latino. as a person of color, would do

it himself, it was kind of shocking to me. how should we react in that moment, whether the person is a person of color or not? what can we say to get around that framing? i'll do it anyway. >> here's the thing. i am here illegally. if border patrol showed up, they can arrest me, but i as a person, as no, ma'm not illegal. that's a distinction. but daka. if they refer to thems illegal, isn't that factually inaccurate? because they have temporary status. and in some ways, i think using illegal to refer to an immigrant is so limiting a description because the status is fluid. there's 17 million families in this country who live in a mixed status family. like, for example, my family, i'm the only one undocumented. 35 people. that's a mixed status family. >> and, you know, i guess my

parents both immigrated in the 1960s. the laws changed but it was difficult for my mother to get the family members in. plenty visit and stay over their visas. they're not running through the tunnel. just fly into jfk airport and end up here. i feel like the term is not meant to describe anything. it's meant to disparage the person. >> yes. can you think of any other issue in this country in which a group of people is called illegal? i mean, we don't call drunk driver illegal drivers. but in this country, and i have been traveling as you know maybe more than 800 events and 48 states in the past five years. i have been so stunned at how many people use the term illegal and mexican interchangeably. >> that's the term. have you heard that to irish visitors who stay their visas over? >> people usually think i'm mexican. you see an asian person like this, that's a spanish.

it's called spanish colonialism. people are like, w is that your name? i'm not mexican. but after they say that, they feel comfortable saying something negative about mexicans but i grew up with mexican people, so don't do that to me. >> but we don't understand the immigrants in this country. asian americans, they think they're all chinese and forget the filipinos as large or larger. >> 2 million filipinos in the state of california. third largest immigrant group. but this is an inaccuracy in the framing. 600 undocumented black people in the country. >> the caribbean. >> 30% are immigrants in new york. the largest population, the largest growing are asian people. not latino. >> i want to play a little bit because we talk about presidential politics. each of the two major party presidential candidates talking about immigration in a way that's problematic and get your correction for them on how to do

it better. this is hillary clinton. this is in november of 2015 at a town hall in wyndham, new hampshire. >> i voted numerous times as a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in. and i do think you have to control your borders. >> now, hillary clinton apologized for that comment. in response to you, as a matter of fact. you got her to apologize. said that was a poor choice of words. the people at the heart are children, parents, dreamers. >> that was the right thing to do. but the framing around all of this is like, hillary clinton is talking about the border. border crossings are the lowest levels since the 1970s. next to zero. >> this is donald trump. just this past monday. here's donald trump on monday. >> we have gangs roaming the

street and in many cases, they're illegally here. illegal immigrants and they have guns and they shoot people and we have to be very strong and we have to be very vigilant. we have to know what we're doing. >> and now we've handled this conversation with michael smith and framing all african-american issues around crime. here, we have framing everything to do with migration and illegal migration around crime. your thoughts? >> the fact that those are synonymous with each other, i actually think the failure of journalists to call this out. the failure of journalists to ask for more accurate and precise conversation but most of all, the failure of us to look at these millions of people, 88% of the total population growth of the country in the next 50 years are going to come from mostly latinas and asians. that's what it's about. so those 88% of all the population growth, many are immigrant families who have family members undocumented. when you talk about people, it's

someone's mom, someone's grandmother and son. where's the humanity in that? >> the farm workers we don't often hear speak for the immigrant community when we do interviews like this, i think they're amazing immigrants. >> today was 100 degrees in the fields and people picking fruit and vegetables to eat. >> but people don't think of them as immigrants. people think of them as just these immigrants who are doing the brunt work of america. >> on top of that, they just demean them. that's not right. and i say in my opinion, those are good immigrants. >> is part of the problem the people doing the work literally feeding us are invisible? >> we're not going to make them invisible anymore. actually, go to emerging us to watch the whole thing. meaning there's bad immigrants. when people say high skilled

workers, does that mean, what's low skilled workers? the family and farmers. nothing low skill about farming. >> we just have this discussion around degrading the idea of people who do cleaning service around former miss universe is insane. i'm so proud of you. congratulations. check out emerging us online and we'll have you back to talk more about this. thank you very much. all right. ♪ using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the framework... wire... and plants needed to give my shop... a face... no one will forget. see what the power of points can do for your business. learn more at chase.com/ink

we'll have more of my mark cuban interview tomorrow and more "a.m. joy" after the break.

♪ you know you love the question. who won the week? back with me, hugh hewitt. who won the week? >> well, despite the horrible campaign, my wife drove our car across the country this week and snapped this picture outside anheuser busch and this one from her facebook feed. i think the american sense of

humor is winning. >> is the refrigerator winning, becae i think i want to vote for beer. and i saw one about comet. hugh hewitt. thank you sir. now let us go to ferdinand arrest mandy. >> my new front runner for the secretary of trolling, howard dean, you can't spell without d-e-a and his epic troll about donald trump at the debate and the sniffling moments which every one of us saw. >> that was a bad microphone. i resent that remark. that was a really weird thing. that was happening. so, yes. let us come to tera. who won the week? >> i hate to make the obvious choice but hillary entered the week dealing with the trump train rising the momentum coming. she destroyed him in the debate. the thing that she left for him to attack, he duly attacked, made it a whole week-long story.

hillary won the week and got back in control of this race. >> yeah, i think the polls are showing that is the case. even the fox news polls show that people think -- and when the fox people think -- >> when the "l.a. times" goes along with it, then we'll know. he's up ten, i think -- >> up 117. who won the week? >> you did, joy. you and your team are providing the audience the nuances happening, the fact that the ratings are showing. you guys have killed it, and we need your voice. you're -- the piece you just did with antonio vargas talking about changing the face of america is informing the public and understanding, giving it depth and get thanks for holding folks accountable. >> thank you. mtk. thank you, thank you so much. that is very sweet. that's very kind and i didn't know she was going to say that. thank you. my pick is alicia machado. even though she was traveled mercilessly by donald trump, humiliated, called names,

fat-shamed, she stood up for herself, millions of americans just like her. she is beautiful at any size. and i think she showed that you can beat be a bully just by being yourself. very proud of her. and i will just give the panel thoughts on that, as well. i think she was really terrific. >> she was powerful. i don't think people fully understand how difficult it can be to stand up in these moments. and she is clearly -- has clearly been, like, i'm going to get you back one day, you really hurt me. and here was her moment and kudos to her. >> absolutely. >> to the hillary team. for finding the person, again, who he would not be able to resist. >> yeah, absolutely. and hugh, you've got to think they have another one waiting in the next definite. another person like that. of. >> of course. secretary clinton won that right at the end. >> and it will probably work, right? >> of course it will. the trump campaign has now singled out gonzalo curelle and

making it impossible for republicans to win the white house again. >> and ferdinand, do you think the alicia machado moment translates into actual votes? >> i think it does for sure here in florida and other pockets. this is not just an attack on alicia machado, on hispanic women everywhere. the numbers have moved precipitously for donald trump. >> same question for you. does this translate into numbers? >> these are table conversations that all of a sudden, even fathers and men that like women are saying, you have to be kidding me. and you said it best. she is beautiful at any size. and this is -- this is -- empoweri empowering latinas to face their employers. >> how easily baited. can you imagine putin or other folks trained in this stuff? >> don't make me think about that. i can't go there meant lie right

now. >> you're absolutely right. hopefully voters will think abouit. of thank you so much. thank you all. that is our show for today. thanks for watching. "a.m. joy" returns tomorrow, 10:00 a.m. eastern. we want to offer a belated welcome. booking producer, cat mccullough and husband mike, welcomed beautiful daughter lila celeste a week ago. adorable. and donald trump's very, very bad week. more news at the top of the hour. sure, we could have stacked these tires. or put them on a rack. but the specialists at ford like to show off their strengths: 13 name brands. all backed by our low price tire guarantee. yeah, we're strong when it comes to tires. right now during the big tire event, get a $140 rebate by mail on four select tires. ♪

hello, everyone. i'm ari melber in new york. here is what's happening. 38 days now to the presidential election. today both sides unleashing new lines of attack, and for the first time getting a real look at the impact this debate may have had on the scientific polling numbers. also, new word