this sunday morning, the this sunday morning the trump tape. >> you can do anything. you can grab them by the [ bleep ]. >> republicans are calling on tr trump to stand down. can he survive this? what does survival look like? ly talk to one of trump's dwindling number of supporters rudy giuliani. and nancy pelosi. and trump says he will never go out of the race. >> and bill clinton has abused women, and hillary clinton has attacked shame and victimized his victims. >> and they are asking if the republicans can avoid catastrophe.

>> and with all due respect, sir, you are the distraction, and your conduct is the distraction. >>ly talk to senator mike lee of utah. and funll finally, all of it wi playing out on the debate stage during this most is surreal moment of the campaign. joining me for insight is steve schmidt senior adviser to john mccain. ruth marcus, column ist for the washington post. sara fagen, former adviser to george w. bush, and heather mcgee, from the think tank demos. welcome to "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good sun a day morning, and this one does feel different, and there are so many times that we are have said that trump can't survive this or that crisis, but the 2005 hot mic recording of trump's recording with billy bush of "access

hollywood" may be the october surprise that even donald trump can't survive. >> i moved on her actually. a ped you know, she was down at palm beach and i moved on her and i failed. i will admit it. she was married. >> and who? >> nancy, and no -- this is i moved on her very heavily and in fact, i took her out furniture shopping. she wanted to get some furniture and i told her where they have nice furniture and i moved on her like a [ bleep ] and i could not get there. and she was married. and now all of the sudden i see her and she has the big phony [ bleep ] and -- i have to put in some tic tacs unless i want to start kissing her. i am automaticallyt attracted and i just start kiss iing her. and when you a star, you can do anything. >> anything you want? >> grab them by the [ bleep ]. >> hello, mr. trump. nice to meet you. >> nice to see you. >> that is the words of the republican presidential nominee donald trump ended up releasing

what he said was an apology late friday night and then yesterday he tweeted the following. i will never drop out of the race and i will never let my supporters down. and yesterday, trump's wife put out a statement calling his words offensive and went on, i hope that people will accept his apology as i have and focus on the important issues facing the nation and the world. let's understand something, trump was likely to lose and the question now is how much damage will it do to the are republican party, and already a parade of republicans says that they have condemned trump's comment and withdrawn the support completely or called on him to step down as the nominee altogether. and some are worried about their own prospects this fall, and others are disgusted with trump's words, and even the m e makers of tic tac candies which trump referenced in the tape said they found his comments to be unacceptable. >> the 2005 conversation with billy bush then of "access hollywood" has sent the republican party reeling. reince priebus, no woman should

ever be described in these terms or manner ever. house speaker paul ryan kis dis-invited trump to a saturday event calling the comments sickening i sickeninging. >> there is a elephant in the room and it is troubling situation. >> and mitch mcconnell called on trump to apologize directly to women and girls everywhere. and republicans rushed to condemn the comments calling them offensive, inappropriate, outray jou outray jous, demeaning, indefensible and impossible to imply. >> i think that it is the thought that he can resurrect his campaign in this town hall is irreprehensible. >> i can no longer endorse donald trump for president. i can't do it. >> step aside.

step down. >> i think that it is degrading to our women, to our daughters, our granddaughters and to future generations. >> and what it means for the republican candidates across the board is that they now have to run their own individual campaign campaigns without the traditional help are from the top of the ticket. >> and trump finally did apologize in a facebook video late friday night. >> i said it. i was wrong. i apologize. >> but trump didn't stop with the apology, and instead called the revelation a distraction and attacked the clintons. >> bill clinton has abused women, and hillary clinton has attacked, bullied and shamed his victims. >> on friday, pence defended trump. >> this time we got him. and look, another tweet that came out or this time another thing or another issue that has come forward and then they turn on the television the next morning and donald trump is still standing stronger than ever before. >> but by saturday, pence had released a statement saying, i

do not condone his remarks and i cant not defend them. >> it is not clear that republican officials could dump trump even if they wanted to. the republicans are already voting and many of the ballot certification deadlines have pass and the ballots are in the voters' hands. and so far, trump, himself, he has said that he is not going anywhere. >> see you at the debate sunday. >> and joining me now is former new york city mayor and donald trump supporter, rudy giuliani. and welcome back-to-back here on "meet the press." and start with this, definitively, any circumstance where donald trump would not come or show up to the night's debate in st. louis? >> oh, no, no. he is going to show up, and as prepared as he has ever been and he is ready for the debate tonight. and he is obviously, you know, feels very bad about what he said. he has apologized for it, and he would probably do it again, but what he would like to do is to

move on the issues facing the american people, and they only have a few more days to the think about it. >> and let me ask you this, kellyanne conway was supposed to be coming on the show to defend donald trump, and reince priebus was supposed to be going on another couple of shows, and they pulled out and only you are out to defend donald trump. are you the only one this the campaign to defend him? >> no, i was with kellyanne all day yesterday, and the same thing is true as chris. but i am the one selected for the show, but either one of the two of them would probably say pretty much the same thing that i am saying, because i was with them all day yesterday. >> in the last 24 hours a slew of republicans from across the country -- >> i sure do. >> and shellie, he needs to re-examine the candidacy, and cory gardener, he needs to step aside and let pence be the nominee. and carly fiorina and condi rice, please withdraw. any chance that donald trump

will listen to the these republican party leaders who will withdraw? >> i think that he answered it yesterday by saying that he is going to be in the race and stay in the race and he was selected by more republican voters than anybody else has ever been selected and he has a duty to run. it is true that he said something, and a group of things during that interview that are reprehensible and awful and he feels terrible about it. it was 10 or 12 years ago. and he was not at that time, you know, running for office and he was not thinking of office. he has gone through, i think a very, very intensive process for running for president, and through the 14 months, he has been all over the country, and he understands the responsibilities on his shoulders now which weren't there back then and of all of the people who believe in him, and believe that he can reduce taxes and make us stronger against the islamic terrorism, and deal with the tremendous rising crime, and last year -- >> and mr. mayor, let me ask

you -- >> and last year, crime went up in the last 41 years, and that is extraordinary, and the last 41 years. >> and back to the tape. he did notp apologize for apologize for attacking a gold star family or ap pologize for questioning the nature of a federal judge just because of the ette nhnicity and why he ch apologize for this? >> well, i think that in this case, he realized that we are talking about his personal behavior, and his statements that were absolutely wrong and when, i think that when he heard them, he was shocked. i am not sure that i won't say that he didn't remember them, but they were not at the top of his mind and when he was confronted with it, he was pretty darn shocked that he said such terrible thing, and feels terrible about it. he feels terrible for his family, and how embarrassing it is for them. and feels terrible from his own point of view, but he also realizes that he has a responsibility and the last 14 mon months have driven that into

him -- >> and there is a pattern here. and this is -- let me play this, and this is not the first time he has talked this way. and here he was with howard stern. take a listen. >> i will tell you the funniest is that i will go backstage before a show. >> yes. >> and everybody is dressed and men are everywhere and i am ale loued to go through because i am the pageant and inspecting. >> you know, yes. >> the dresses, and is everybody there okay? and no clothes on and you see the incredible looking women, and sort i sort of get away with things like that the. >> and this is by the way not 11 years ago, but that is now july 20 2008. >> yeah, but that is still not running fort president, and on a shock jock show, and howard stern happens to be a friend of mine and i have been on the show. >> and why is this not -- wait, let me ask you this, mr. mayor, why is the idea of he was not running for president and so it is okay to be a my soj nis, and he is not running for president, and so it is okay to make unwanted sexual advances. >> chuck, chuck. i am not saying it is the right thing to do. i am saying that for example, when i was the mayor of new york

and i went on the howard stern show, i made sure that we didn't fool around or tell jokes or say things that would shock people, and a on that show, a lot of things are not true, and you say them, because they are funny, and i'm a good friend of howard stern's and i like him a lot, and every time i was on the show, my people, and my mayor's people handled it so we don't talk about it. it is not right whether you are a politician or not, and now -- it is saying -- >> mr. mayor, it is not saying it, but doing it. he is bragging about making unwanted sexual advances, and you are saying that the words are wrong, and how about the actions? >> well, the actions would be even worse if they were actions. you see, talk and actions are two different things. >> and i did not say that. the "new york times," and temple taggert was a 21-year-old beauty question when she said that mr. trump kissed her on the lips without an invitation at a pageant event and unwanted event and she has seen him reliving the sexual aggressions in the

interview saturday made me feel better and it is like, thank you, now nobody can say that i made it up. you were implying that the stuff was made up. >> i am not implying that it was made up. i am saying that we are talking about things that he was talking about and i don't know how much he was exaggerating or true, and i don't certainly know the details of it, but i know that this is unfortunately the kind of talk that goes on among a lot of people, and they shouldn't talk about this. this is a wrong. he realize that, and he understands it now, and he is running for president, and he reali realizes that he has got the weight of the responsibility of all of the people on his shoulder, and this is something that he won't do in the future. and he's very apologetic about it, and he wants to move on to what is going to be really important 30 days from now. and he is going to be lowering taxi taxings, and she is going to raise taxes, and he is going to add to the military and she is going to lower it, and add to the police with the biggest

increase in crime in 41 years and take on the radical terrorism, and one thing that he is not is what came across in wikileaks which is two people. hillary clinton actually specifically described that she is two different people to the financial people who were giving her millions of dollars and she is on their side and wants to be a big part of the government, and she telling them that she has to pretend to everybody else that she isn't. >> and if you believe that hillary clinton says one thing in private and what she is what she is in private, and should we assume that what donald trump did in that "access hollywood" bus is what donald trump is like in private? that is what you are implying here with hillary clinton. >> you know, chuck, the reality is that both people, in both cases have thing s s in their personal lives if they could re-do it, they would do it differently, and the reality is that this is a situation in which neither side should throw the stone, because both sides are sin and how about we put

that behind us, and start to talk about who is going to be low ering the taxes and say the word radical terrorism to defeat them and who is best able to support the police so that this largest increase in crime in 41 years doesn't start to become a trend. it is donald trump with his policies or hillary clinton who has had a chance, and she has been part of the political fabric for 30 years, and 70% of the country believes that we are moving in the wrong direction and she one of the reasons for i it. >> mr. mayor, a question, has he ruled out bringing up bill clinton's personal life at the debate? >> i believe that he willt not be bringing up bill clinton's personal life, but i believe there is a possibility that he will be talking about her situation if he gets to that. but i don't believe he prefers to do that, but i think that he will in trying to show -- >> what do you mean, what situation? >> what i am talking about is the things that she has said and reported in various books and

magazines and other places about the women that bill clinton raped, sexually abused and attacked, and not bill clinton's role, but her role as the attacker. >> well, i -- i have run out of time, because i know that you have to do another television interview, but those allegations have not been true -- >> we would rather not get into that. >> all right. mr. mayor, we will leave it there and watch tonight's debate, and appreciate you sharing your views. joining me now is the first republican senator to call on trump to step down. mike lee of utah, senator lee, welcome back to "meet the press." >> thank you very much, jim. >> anything that rudy giuliani said there that would make you reconsider your support for donald trump or give him time tonight to show real contrition and change your mind? >> no, but there is something that mr. giuliani said that is significant which is that hillary clinton is in fact a flaw flawed candidate and deeply flawed candidate. so flawed in fact that i think that the democratic party ought to be take steps to replace her

with someone else. for whatever reason they have not and they have chosen to be the party of the personality cult. we should not follow that path. the path i would suggest is the path to bring the republicans together, and bring together the grass root activists who have made donald trump so successful and had this persuasive argument that the washington political establishment of both parties has failed them, and that we need a new leader, a republican leader who can win. who can defeat hillary clinton, a and that is what unites us more than anything else as republicans is the fact that the washington political establishment is broke n and hillary clinton needs to be defeated. we need a candidate who can do that and i would like to see the republican party identify such a candidate and make that change. >> you identified flaws with donald trump and were willing to speak out about it before many others were, and a lot of people are now joining you over the last 48 hours, and a lot of the democrats and even some voters in the middle are going to say,

why now? why did you wait until now? the evidence was there for months, arguably years, and certainly for instance you, s senator lee, you showed the judgment that i am not supporting him a year ago and stuck wit, and how should other republicans who have suddenly decided, okay i am not supporting him now answer that question? >> well, i think that people have to consider the totality of the evidence. there were some like me who had raised questions in light of the warning scnce early on, and there are at lot of others who wanted to be persuaded who hoped that they might be persuaded between now and november. what is released less than 48 hours ago was less than persuasive. in fact, it turned a lot of people off to the point that i have serious doubts now about mr. trump's ability to defeat hillary clinton, and in fact, i don't think that he can. now, there is a way here for mr. trump to have a legacy in this election cycle, and for his supporters who are really

energetic and have done so much to expand the party to have a last i lasting legacy that could mean something here, and that is for donald trump to step aside and for the republican party to find a candidate who can bring together all of the elements within the republican party and defeat hillary clinton in november and what we need to do now. >> and if mitch mcconnell made that plea, it would probably send a powerful message. i nknow that you have been urgig others to join your cause, and what would you like to hear speaker ryan and speaker o'connell have denounced donald trump, but they are so fark sti -- so far, sticking by him, and they are the two leaders of the party, and do they need to step up? >> i would encourage any republicans whether they are leaders or in congress or not to step up to make their opinions known. look, the fact is that once again, chuck, we don't want to see, he leed president, and we have lots of other people who can do this. our party is not a personality

cult. it is about ideas. and it is about ideas that the reinvigorate the middle-class and get the poor out of the party, and end this mindset that is crippling the american economy. we have candidates who can do i it, and there is time to do it, but we have to actually do it. >> is a that candidate for you mike pence? >> you know, i am agnostic about who it ought to be and there is time to decide who that needs to be, but the point is that mr. trump in order for any of this to happen needs to step aside. look, i want to make clear that we cant not win this election without donald trump's supporters, but we can't also win this election at the top of the ballot and in many cases down ballot without a different presidential candidate. that is why the time to act is really now. >> mike lee, republican from utah. appreciate your coming on this morning and getting up early out there. always appreciate it.

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welcome to you all. all right. i want to start quickly with what mike lee is pleading to do. he say ths that there is still time. sar, and steve, you have dealt with the ballot deadlines and sar, a is there time? >> well, functionally isn't. people have been voting in florida and north carolina for example and by the end of next week, 18 states will have started the early voting, and so you can do it symbolically, and it may be useful for the senate candidates to have a different face of the party, but logistically, it is not possible. >> steve, what happens tonight? >> well, this debate is going to be like the last debate, and you will see someone who is manifestly unprepared for the duties of the aus of the president of the united states, and who has no idea what he is talking about from the policy perspective, who lacks the requisite dig nity required of somebody who wishes to be the head of state of the government

of the united states, and someone who lacks the capacity to be the commander in chief of the most powerful military in the world's most potent nuclear arsenal is what you will see tonig tonight. >> and there is another way which is going to be looking like the last debate which is that donald trump will come in, and sounding contrite. whether he is ort not, and he will do his best to exhibit contrition, but it is going to be lasting only for so long, and these tweets and everything else that we are seeing suggesting that he is going to be going after bill clinton, and he just showed us last time around, he can't keep it together for 90 minutes. >> heather, i don't mean to interrupt, and i know that you just came in, but rudy giuliani said that he is not going to be bringing up bill clinton's past allegations. and now, he has tweeted an interview with anita broad ric, a and we know ere donald trump's head is at. >> and certainly, if there is a

case for the last-minute face slift a folly, and mike pence is going to be rising as the man who can return the republican ticket to the fold of the female voters which women have not gone for the republican presidential nominee in decades, and mike pence is someone who was the initial sponsor of the bill to cut off funding for planned parenthood and cut off the funding for planned parenthood in indiana which led to a public health crisis, and signed a bill requiring women to give funeral services for fetuses, and you have the -- >> you have the candidate mike pence, and the democrats are -- >> and they can just sort of push trump aside and -- >> where the republicans did do well with the women. >> and let me throw up the women numbers so people know. this is before all of this, and among the women in the last n nbc/"wall street journal" poll, clinton led by 57%.

and the positive favorite is 24-64 24-64%, and so, sara he was overperforming the favorable rating with women by 14 point, and possible that he could go low wer women? >> well, it is entirely possible that he could go lower with women, and what we saw friday indicates that he will go lower and what we also don't know what else is out there, and there is a month left in this campaign. and you know, you think about the tax bombshell a week ago and now this. it is hard for me to believe that we will go a month without some other significant news here, and so you can always go lower. >> and i will give you an "oh by the way" and central park five like in the middle of nowhere, he is saying with the -- acquitted. >> and paid money. >> paid money for the false

accusation of murder. >> and that is the supported by the dna evidence and the perpetrator. >> and when we look at this the presidential race, it is effectively over, and hillary rodham clinton will be the 45th president of the united states and chuck shurmer is going to be next speakerer of the house, and the question is how close they will be to taking the house maer jor u the, the and what this is exposing is that it is a republican party to the institution is the candidacy and the magnitude of the disgrace to the country is almost impossi e impossible, i think to arct articula articulate, but it is exposed the intellectual rot in the republican party, and exposed the hypocrisy and the modern day money changers in the temple like jerry falwell, jr., and so this party to go forward and to represent a conservative vision for america has great soul searching to do, and what we have seen in the danger for all of the candidates is that over the course of the last year, these candidates who have repeatedly put their party ahead

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welcome back. we have heard from a number of republicans this morning reacting to donald trump's comments on the "access hollywood's" tapes, and we are happy to have a democrat joining us, and not any democrat, but the leader of the house, nancy

pelosi. and let me start with the mess that donald trump finds himself in, and tonight, what do you advise secretary clinton to do if he brings up bill clinton's past? >> i don't think that secretary clinton needs advice from anybody. she is such a talented debater and the rest and when she goe into the oval office and she will in january, she is going to be one of the best prepared people in history in our country to do so by her knowledge, experience, judgment and her connection to the american people, and what they need. so, i think that she will talk about the issues. >> you think that is fair game that he brings up? >> no, because you know why? the elections are about the future. they are the future, and he is talk about something about bill clinton and he is not on the ballot, but what is important the note about all of this is that there's not a dime's worth of difference between donald trump and the republicans in congress when it comes to issues that really affect people's

lives. dis disrespect for women whether it is a disrespect by saying equal pay for equal work, respecting a woman's decision to make about the size and the timing of her family, and whether it is about medicare and social security, and pence voted to privatize social security when president bush was president, and voted three times for the ryan budget to voucherize medicare and to take away the guarantee, and so the issues that relate to the well-being of women is more important than the locker room talk. >> and it is interesting that you brought up that you want to the tie the house republicans to donald trump, and i understand that a lot of the republicans say that they don't republican the democratic party and not just republican, but a prominent democrat said this at the convention. this is the sound. >> we democrats have always had plenty of differences with the republican party, and there is nothing wrong with that. it is precisely this contest of ideas that pushes the country

forward. but what we heard in cleveland last week was not particularly republican. and it sure was not conservative. >> did the president inoculate rank and file republicans from donald trump with that comment? >> no, no. i completely agree with what the president said. the republican party is the grand old party and it has done great things for the country, but what we have been saying so them is take back the party, ad it has been hijacked by the radical wing of, i don't know of what in our country and not even of your party, and when president bush was president, we treated him with respect. we got a lot of done, and including the war in iraq, and privatizing social security and he is one of the best presidents in immigration, and he was disappointed by his own party for not support ing thing that of the biggest energy bills in the history of our kcountry, an the list goes on, and so, no, we need a strong republican party, and i don't paint everybody with

the same brush bucks the republicans in the house of representatives i do. >> okay. let me ask you about something that came out in the leaks. the leaks of the hacking of john poe d podesto that implied that she says one thing. and if everybody is watching you know the back room discussions and the deals that you know, then people are nervous to say the least. so you need both a public and a private position. it sounds like what she is saying that i will tell you one thing here, and in this private speech that you, and i will have a public position another way, trade for instance seems to be one topic where she says one thing behind the scenes and one thing publicly and how do we trust her trade position for instance? >> well, i trust her trade positio position, we are a global reality, and we don't have to accept tpp and sit down with the workers and growing paychecks

and portraying the policy that way rather than starting with with the investment. >> and you take her at the word that she will not support tpp. >> absolutely. >> and you will not, too? >> i want to have a trade agreement and i have said to the members that i don't want to give anybody a fast track. we didn't give it to bill clinton or president bush or barack obama. and we were disu krim gnat with generally democrats and republicans. and there needs to be a ability to have more say in how trade affects american workers, and so we are against the tpp. >> you take her at her word that she is not somehow saying two thing, and somehow not doing, and somberny sanders' supporters see that, and they say, that is why i don't trust her. >> what you are hearing that, and the first time i am hearing that, and what you are hearing is that we should have a trade agreement, and it isn't tpp, because that is not what, and it does not start with the american worker, and it rejects any

discussion of climate and relationship to commerce. so, hillary clinton -- we, the fact is that she has such great knowledg knowledge, and she has a vision about her country, and it is about strengthening the middle-class and this is the biggest difference of democrats and republicans, classically, and trickle-down economics and breaks for the rich, and middle-class economy, and growing the middle-class and thoses aspiring it to, and havig consumer confidence an to inject it into the economy and to grow the economy. >> and how damaging were the bill clinton's comments about obama care and talking about the craziest thing of folks squeezed in the middle and folks not eligible for the subsidies and when he clarified it he basically circled what he believes to be, and what he circled essentially is the issue that the republicans are bringing on the campaign trail. >> not damaging at all. >> not at all? >> no. i mean, affordable care act of

20 million more people have access to affordable quality health care, and not only that, but many, tens of millions more are no longer subjected to pre-existing conditions, eliminating -- >> you acknowledge this problem with the premiums and the problem in the middle? >> well, i wanted a single payer, and i would love a single payer, but we are not -- and i wanted a public option which would address that, but we have never done anything, whether it was social security, medicare and the rest where we have not said how does this, and let's see how it works and improve it. and no, i would not worry about that, but what i do think is that affordable care act stands there with social security and medicare and medicaid and affordable health care as a pillar of economic health and security for american families, and it is important to know that the republicans have voted over 65 times to eliminate it, and they have voted more than one time to dismantle a medicare by taking a wway the guarantee.

the ryan budget takes away the guarantee, and pence voted for that three times. >> and final question. how confident are you that you will be getting the speaker's gavel? >> it is not about me, but it is about the democrats to win as many seats, but i want the american people to win in this election to take it to a place where we are talking about the issues that affect them in their daily lives and try to find some consensus, and one of the other differences of the democrats and the republicans, we really do come forward to work in the bipartisan way, and president obama certainly did that, and we did it respectfully with president bush and i hope that we can otake the debate to the place where the american people are not disgusted and turned off by what is happening in the campaign, but instead, inspired by it. >> all right. nancy pelosi. >> okay. go, giants. >> no comment, i will let it go being a dodger fan. and how big of a role will the trump tape play in the next week. stay with us. >> mr. trump, many republicans

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welcomback. >> welcome back. time now for the daily download and before the trump tape was released, donald trump was starting to sink in the state and national polls and today, two brand-new nbc/wall street/marist poll. hillary clinton is leading by all registered voters, and the race is tighter when you cut it down for likely voters where clinton leads by 3, 45-42, but it is florida, three points which is a big lead fort florida in the presidential politic, and trump does not have a path to

the presidency without florida. and now, to pennsylvania, and so-called firewall of pennsylvania and it is looking like one, and solid among the registered voters and she has a double-digit race in the four-way race, and when you cut it down for likely voters the double-digit lead is still there, and leads by 12, 49-37, and by the way, 12-point lead for clinton in pennsylvania could mean that she is likely gaining next door ohio as a couple of recent polls have suggested. remember all of the polls were in the field before the news of tr trump's "access hollywood" tapes bro broke. coming up, we will tee up the tonight's unusual presidential debate in st. louis. and later, seth meyers on comedy in politics. >> we don't think of it in terms of, well, we will tell the jokes about donald trump because they will work the best, but we tell the jokes about donald trump, because they are the ones that we like the most. from my chase ink card i bought all the fruit... veggies...

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back now with the panel. guys, before the access hollywood tapes, there was some question about the idea of a town hall format and how donald trump would interact, and we did a little numbers crunching here, and you know, he does not do a lot of the town halls, and hillary clinton does a lot of the small events and town halls and interacting with so-called what you guys call in the business real people, and she has done 65 to trump's 33 and we are generous counting that 33. ruth, trum interacting with the ev everyday people is to me a unique challenge for him? >> well, he did it the other

night, but it was not practicing for the debate in new hampshire, and shoe, and because real people can ask you rude questions or questions that you p perceive if you are donald trump to be hostile, and what does donald trump tell us about how he deals with hostile nasty questions? he is a counter puncher, and you can koucounter punch hillary clinton and a network anchor, but you cant not counter punch somebody in the town hall, and that is going to be a hard h thing for him. >> and this is not a particularly great format for her either, because she has been so inkrcredibly scripted throug the campaign and even a lot of the evidence that the town halls that she does do, and you know, she prescreens the questions, and so to the degree that she is asked a question that is unk uncomfortable about bill clinton's past or the way she handled bill clinton's past, it could end up not being a great night for her either. >> but it is also true with the trump tapes, this is broken through from the political, you know, round table through to culture, and right? as soon as the trump tapes went

live, you had women going on the social media to do something extremely brave which is to share their own stories of sexual assault, right? >> i am sorry to interrupt you, but what happens when a woman says, i have been touched against my will and this is how i felt about it, mr. trump, and how does he deal with that? that is a tough one. >> we are having a style discussion of how he is going to present, but going back to first debate, it is not that he had a bad debate in the way that george w. bush did or barack obama did. it is just that for the first time in history, you saw a candidate for president of the united states who was absolutely incoherent. talking about nuclear weapons and in one breath and then attacking rosie o'donnell in and a ad hom nin attack in the next breath. it is unprecedented how bizarre it is. and tonight, he is going to be getting the with questions of no policy depth, and he doesn't know anything about the public policy issues, and incoherent on the national security issues,

and you will see what happened in the last debate, an inability to get through 90 minutes. >> and the best thing is for him to shift away from the tapes and go to policy, and that is how bad he is. >> and that is the case that we have spent little to talk about and hillary clinton's e-mail, and more from the e-mail from the clinton campaign was released and in it, she is tauk lk ing to the wall street one way and talking to regular voters another. and this is getting almost no news, because once again, we are talking about donald trump. >> block out the sun. >> great way to put it. >> heather, she is going to have to answer that question, the personal and the public and the private. you know, what is so interesting about both leaks is that it made everybody, and reinforce d the stereotype, and with trump, reinforced a grotesque stereotype, but with clinton, a political staur yo type. >> we elect the politicians to

offic office, and there is a different moment in the politicians -- >> how dare you. i dare you. >> trust me, as progressive as anyone and my organization has been fighting to rein in wall street's abuses, and we know what we get with hillary clinton. >> do you trust her? >> actually, in some ways and knowing that someone is such a politician that they actually go to the center of the political moment has made it, i think easier for the progressives to know how the organize. i am serious. after january, we know that opposed to what happened when barack obama came into the office, this is what the progressives talk about right now, nobody wanted to organize against him and push him to the left. >> that is not going to be the case. >> that is very interesting. >> and i think it is deeply comforting for the republicans that behind closed doors, she thinks that bernie sanders is nuts and for republicans that cannot vote for donald trump, it is comforting. >> and by the way, put up the battleground map, and we put it up friday and it is obsolete,

and essentially, we have toss up states, and iowa, and nevada and new hampshire at this point, and we don't have pennsylvania, and we made this decision before we knew the pennsylvania numbers, and it was reinforced there, and where does this map go from here, steve, after this all of this, steve? >> it goes blue. the bottom is fall iing out. >> and then what comes next? arizona, and georgia and utah? >> well, step outside of the revelations on friday from the tape, and let's just look are from the debate performance through the attacks on miss universe, and the midnight tweeting, and it is the worst week a presidential candidate has ever had in october in a presidential election, ever. >> period? >> yes, there are going to be a lot more swing states come wednesday. >> swing states that we have never seen before, kn, watch out. >> and there is at lot of talk of republican candidates

distancing themselves, and john mccain is the only one who has done it in advertising and it is tuesday or wednesday or thursday and for the rest of the ads show up. >> and is that too late? >> and let me pause there, and back in 45 second, and "end game" and what seth meyers had to say about donald trump. >> coming up, "meet the press" end game brought to you by boeing, building the future one century at a time. qo :é @d888888@888jj

>> announcer: coming up, "meet the press" end game broughto you by back now with end game. okay. let me finish that discussion because i cut you off and we wanted to do that. can democrats turn this moment, heather, into a wave moment or not? >> it needs to be, because the actual problems in the country are really urgent, and one thing that if you are stepping back from the mess and the unfitness of him as a candidate, this election has shown that the donor class has broken away from the working and the middle-class

majorities of both parties and sanders and trump has shown that and can we continue that into the policy. >> and by way, you mean can the democrats take back the house? if you are putting up the polls that we have from pennsylvania and florida earlier, there is a question in there, and only four and five percent respectively are willing to change the vote, and that is, yes, before the "access hollywood" tapes and people are dug in. it is hard for me to believe that while donald trump may lose a few points here, but it is not as wide as we are thinking it is here today. >> and steve, i will tell you the senate race number, 12-point lead for hillary and pat mcginty over pat toomey, and so candidates that the democrats were walking away from? >> no doubt. inside of the republican party, and break glass and hit the emergency button, because we are at that hour now. and chairman priebus has enormous difficult decisions to make come monday morning to see what he can save, and begin the

prospect of rebuilding the party after what is in essence going to be an armageddon moment on election day. >> and we need to, and i dont n't know about the wave yet, because we don't know about the known and unknowns, and which is what happens when more things come, and when and if more things come out as we have been told, and what happens if it turns out that donald trump was not all talk and no action, and women are coming forward to say that he grabbed me there? and the question of how quickly and how soon republicans renounced trump. the lifeboats are getting awfully full. >> tonight in the debate and donald trump is the wrong person to do this, but hillary clinton has never been asked about the way she described the women who accused bill clinton allel alleged but near 20, and she did go on tv on this network in the 1990s and, you know, effectively called them nuts, and said that they had things in their

background and if we are going to be having a conversation about sexual abuse and predators, she should be asked if she regrets the way she handled it? >> does she have an answer of that nature, heather? >> i think that we will have to seetonight. i do. there is no way this t world that donald trump does not bring that up, and it does not become a shouting match quickly. >> i think that she has to have an answer that is not the deflection. >> her answer is that my husband is not on the ballot and i am. >> and he is not on the ballot, and she is, and the way she handled it. >> and my husband cheated on me, and i stayed with him, and you cheated on your wife and left them. >> interesting segment. all right. let's lighten the mood here a little bit. our buddy seth mi yeyers is bringing his late night show to d.c. all this weekk and i sat down with him on friday, and we talked about donald trump and this specific joke that he made the last time that he had a big deal time in this town.

>> donald trump has been saying that he will be running as a president as republican which is surprising, because i assumed that he was running as joke. >> obviously at this moment, you did not know the expression that nigh night. >> i didn't. >> and i am sure that you have seen this clip, but there is repo reporting and speculation that said that the ridicule that he received that night gave him more drive to prove everybody wrong and run. >> yeah, i -- sincerest apologies to everyone if that is the case. >> do you feel like there is a duty about this election? >> i don't feel -- i also don't think that i could fulfill it if there was a duty. i don't think that we have as much influence as every now and then people will write or claim us to have. yeah, i don't feel it is a duty. i genuinely enjoy doing it though. >> and that is about as seth meyers and whether comedians in this last month have a duty to denounce trump more so than ever or whether you just be funny.

>> at least we found somebody who is enjoying the campaign. >> it is hard. the comedians have had the best time. >> they are not journalists, and they are entertainers and the job is to entertain, and it is not to put this the minds of the public the things about the candidates for which they are not qualified to be putting forward policy information. >>ed and they do reveal an essential truth about the candidates, and so from the political adviser perspective, we try to mitigate the weaknesses, and that is part of the process, the full reveal. >> the merri technician. and tonight, we will have a face-off style with donald trump and hillary clinton and it is going to be the most surreal debate in history, i can promise you that. and that is all we for today, and we will see you next week,

because if it is sunday, it is "meet the press." and ready for the showdown in st. louis tonight. i'm kristen welker coming to you live from missouri university. are you pump up and excited? that says it all. this is is the place where in six hours from now, clinton and trump are going to be facing off for round two, the second presidential debate, and this one, it may not be too kid-friendly tv than tox the october surprise for trump. and the all-out gop revolt that