meet, going more than a decade without any real increase in income. and the american people saw last night, not just a choice between two candidates, but really a choice between two futures. and donald trump laid that out, and i'm just proud to be standing with him and look forward to bng on the campaign trail today. >> sir, before we get to those politics, though, you have said you're a christian, a conservative, and a republican in that order. were your christian values not rocked on saturday? and if they were, today, wouldn't it appear that you're putting your political views, your party, above your faith? >> well, thanks for reflecting on my faith. i'm always happy to have people note that in my life and humbled by it. my faith teaches two things. number one is that we try to live up to a godly standard in our life. and we speak truth when people don't reflect that. but secondly, the other part of my faith is grace. i believe in redemption. i believe in second chances.

and i think donald trump in expressing genuine contrition and remorse apologizing not only to his family but to the american people for the words he has used, i think, and saying he was truly embarrassed about all of it on national television last night, you know, merits grace. i believe -- i believe in redemption and i believe the american people believe in grace. that's a centerpiece of my faith. >> is grabbing a vagina or using your power to kiss a woman whether she wants it or not an act of grace? >> well, donald trump made it clear that those were words, only words, last night. that he hadn't engaged in any of that behavior, and i believe him. look, i understand the media's focus on this. i understand your focus on it. i'm just telling you, i'm headed to north carolina this morning. i was in rhode island on saturday night. this is just not where the american people are focused. there's a lot of people anxious

about the rise of terrorism in the world, literally a foreign policy that's emboldened our enemies and abandoned our friends. people are struggling in this economy to make ends meet. they see in hillary clinton someone who wants to continue all of the same failed policies that have weakened america's place in the world and stifled our economy, and last night, donald trump foecused this debate, seemingly against all odds, focused this debate on the choice american people face four weeks from tomorrow. i'm honored to be standing with him, and i'm going to be fighting every day between now and election day to bring home a great victory for the american people. >> one of those tachks is to get the american people, not just to not want to vote for hillary clinton but to vote for donald trump. my mom is a lifetime republican and a catholic. before her party, she puts being treated as an equal and with respect. what she believes in before being a republican is she believes in me. and when i saw her on saturday, she said, he's gone too far.

i can't vote for this man. he doesn't respect you, stephanie. and he never will. what do you say to my mom, a suburban republican woman, who no longer can vote for him because he doesn't believe in her daughter? >> well, i would say to your mom, she must be very proud of you and your extraordinary career. you know, i talk to my mom over the weekend, too. you know, what i would tell your mom or anybody else is that there are two human beings running in this election. and nobody is perfect. i can think of one person who was perfect in human history. beyond that, none of us are. at the end of the day, the isis a choice between not just people but policies. it's whether or not we think that continuing to cut back in our military, continuing to lead from behind, toiping to have an apologistic type foreign policy, and continuing with more taxes, more regulation, more obamacare,

more of the war on energy that's been crushing the american economy, continuing with what hillary clinton we now know advocated in private speeches on wall street of open borders, sanctuary cities, catch and release. if continuing with all of those policies makes sense, then people are more than entitled to vote for her and support hillary clinton. but if they want change, they want a change of direction of america, if they want us to be standing tall on the world stage, rebuilding our military, getting this economy moving again the way that john f. kennedy got it moving, the way ronald reagan got it moving, through less taxes, less regulation, repealing obamacare, unleashing the power of american energy and ending illegal immigration, all of that coming together, then i encourage them to stand with the trump/pence team and vote for us come november 8th. >> what did you mom think of the comments since you talked to her on saturday? >> my mom is aperson of strong opinions and she supports me every bit as much as she supports you.

>> you said nobody is perfect. and i agree. i do believe you have a high opinion of john mccain. he was one of the republican leaders who over the weekend like condoleezza rice, like john thune, said you know what, it's officially too much. i can't support donald trump anymore. and donald trump's response was, he thinks these people are self-righteous hypocrites. >> well, look. there's a lot of tough rhetoric in campaigns. and look, you know, i expressed myself on saturday about how i felt about those things. i'm glad donald trump dealt with it. i'm glad he dealt with it with humility and genuine contrition. and apologized to the american people, not only friday night, but on the national stage. but again, i have to be honest with you. all of this inside baseball in politics and what leaders are saying, when i head to north carolina today, when i was in rhode island over the weekend, campaigning in our bus tour last week in pennsylvania and ohio, it's just not what people are talking about. what people are talking about is their lives, their feeutures, t

opportunities for their children and their grandchildren, that safety and security with the rise of a terrorist threat that now we have seen is inspired violence here on our shores and in new jersey and new york and minnesota. and orlando and san bernardino, the american people know we've got to have a change. we'vgot to be a stronger america. we've got to stand with our allies. we have to confront our enemies, and we gotta get this economy moving again with the time-honored principles of less government, less regulation, and more economic freedom. that's what donald trump offers. that's what we're campaigning on. and i am just proud of him, and in the debate last night, he literally reframed this election around the choice the american people face. and i'm truly honored to be able to be out with him over the next four weeks campaigning and taking that choice to the people of this country. >> he did possibly, but he also agreed with you on a military strategy with regard to syria.

i want to share that exchange. >> i want to remind you what your running mate said. he said provocations by russia need to be met with american strength. >> he and i haven't spoken and i disagree. >> disagree. so he clearly disagreed with you. who's right? >> well, we're really both right, and martha raddatz was wrong. you can go back to the transcript of my vice presidential debate and find that i was asked a question about -- if i may. i was asked a question about aleppo. we have a horrific crisis in aleppo. hundreds of thousands of people, 100,000 children, and elaine asked me what to do about that. i said we're committed to working with the international community to establish safe zones. i said at the time, if we need to use military power to secure the safe zones, to prevent further russian aggression or aggression by the assad regime, we should be prepared to do it.

the way martha presented that question last night was to suggest russian provocation broadly and that of the assad regime should be met with military force. that was nothing i ever advocated for. it's not the policy of this team or of this administration. donald trump and i are focused on establishing and securing safe zones for the people of syria to be able to escape and get out of harm's way. but hiss focus, i believe, is the right focus, to destroy isis at its source, pull together the resources of our country, hit them in raqqah, wherever they are, and make our people and frankly make the world safer as a result. >> when he was asked, he basically gave the answer, he said he and i haven't spoken. i disagree. have you not spoken to donald trump in a week? >> well, i talked to donald trump every day. i talk to him after the debate last night. congratulated him on a big win. but no, we hadn't talked about something that i had nevered. that's actually accurate. martha raddatz mischaracterized what i said in the vice

presidential debate. he was right to say we hadn't talked about it, and the way she characterized it, we would disagree on it. that's not my position, not his position, and as i said, people can go back and look at the transcripts. if you don't have the force of military force to secure safe zones, to secure a safe route for vulnerable civilians to exit aleppo, then it's meaningless. a safe zone by its very definition has to be made safe by the threat of military force. that's what i was referring to. donald trump and i both strongly support the establishment of safe zones. but the way she characterized it was, had more to do with confronting russian and russian provocation and aggression by the assad regime broadly. that's not been his policy and it's not our policy. >> governor, hillary clinton's e-mails enrage many, many america americans. donald trump got some good shots in last night, but then he took it to another level. he said if he became president,

he would appoint a special prosecutor to investigate her and put her in jail. this isn't the congo. that sounds like a third-world dictator to me. >> oh, i don't know why -- what the fbi was considering doing six months ago sounds like that to you or any of your viewers. i heard this six months ago, officials at the fbi wanted to appoint a special prosecutor and begin an investigation into the clinton foundation and the obama administration shut them down. look, i thought that was one of the better moments of the debate last night, where donald trump did as i tried to do in our debate, that is remind the american people that after the "new york times" disclosed that hillary clinton had a private server, she used high technology used bleach bit, and her staff used hammered to destroy blackberries and to erase 33,000 e-mails. i remember, i'm old enough to remember a day when a president of the united states erased

18 1/2 minutes and they ran him out of town. she used high technology to erase near ly 33,000 e-mails. we're still waiting to see what was in those and hasn't really been held to account for that. what donald trump said is no one is above the law. there's going to be no double standards and he said we're going to look into and get to the bottom of this, which i think is what the american people would fully expect, an even application of the law and i fully support him. >> i know we're running out of time. i didn't let my 10-year-old watch the debate last night. i feared what could be said. last week, you said there were elements of donald trump that was role model like. today, after everything you have heard, do you consider donald trump to be a role model for our country, for my children? >> i frankly think both of these candidates have qualities that can be admired. but again, you know, nobody is perfect. i'm not perfect. and i think the american people saw last night two human beings on the stage, but they saw a

choice between two futures. and we're going to be laying that choice out in the next four weeks. i'm honored to be standing shoulder to shoulder with him. >> will you stick with him in the next 30 days no matter what tactics he takes? >> let me tell you, i'm honored to be my party's nominee for vice president of the united states. we're going to work our hearts out to bring home a great victory and change the direction of this country back to strength and prosperity. >> i'm honored you sat down with me this morning. thanks so much, governor mike pence. >> thank you. up next, a lot to discuss. the debate, our governor pence interview, and the strange body language, as donald trump wandered around the stage. will the debate change the dynamics of the race? we'll break it all down right here. you're watching msnbc. ♪

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said on that bus 11 years ago, that you did not actually kiss women without consent or grope women without consent? >> i have great respect for women. nobody has more respect for women than i do. >> for the record, you're saying you never did that? >> you hear these things. >> have you ever done those things? >> i will tell you, no, i have not. >> donald trump being pressed at last night's debate on his controversial comments about women. i had to put my glasses on because the no one respects women hoar than me. i needed to hear it again, i needed to see it. he's speaking about that recently released tape back from 2005, and i want to bring in msnbc contributor and daily news sports columnist mike lupica, and jamil smith. mike wins home court advantage, he's here. who won? >> i'm not sure we can talk about who won when you have a candidate who threatened to jail his candidate, and the fact that he had bragged about committing

sexual assault. whether or not he actually committed that sexual assault, he was trying to make it sound like he had done it. look, we have a campaign that is going down in flames. right now, we just saw a debate that he just basically ran around the room and trying to engulf everyone else in those flames. the use of women's pain in a perverse stunt, trying to seat them in the box, bill clinton's accusers in box with the family, is just really not exactly something you should be seeing from a presidential candidate. >> michael, you're a sports c columnist, i'm going to guess you have spent hours and hours in stinky locker rooms. all or not donald trump committing these acts or not, walk me through this. >> i have spent my whole life, my whole adult life in locker rooms. i never heard anybody say quite what he said to billy bush on that bus. by the way, i can't believe that you wouldn't want your 10-year-old to watch that inspirational civics lesson. you know, nobody won last night. we lost. we lost, because this is the

quality and the tone and the tenor of this campaign going forward. four weeks from now, we're going to vote for president of the united states, and last night, last night, once mr. trump said because you would be in jail, i thought, okay, that's the money quote. nothing that anybody was going to say for the rest of this debate was going to be more important than that. because i think he actually believes that. you know what else was interesting, listening to this last night. when mr. trump would say to hillary clinton, well, why didn't you change the tax laws? as if one united states senator has the power to do this in this country. it's not the way it works. >> jamil, when you looked at last night, did you think donald trump did anything more than fire up his base or held off some senior gop members from evacuating? >> that's somebody who really is only interested in firing up the

people who come to his rallies and he thinks maybe he thinks he can win the presidency with them. the numbers show that he can't. >> i think we lost jamil. is mike pence making a mistake here? if he sticks with donald trump, if this thing gets dirtier over the next 30 days, donald trump could lose the election, walk away, and go back to building skyscrapers and golf clubs. mike pence wants to be a part of republican leadership for the next 20 years. >> yeah, it was interesting listening to your interview with him because pence acted today as if something had changed over the weekend from everybody finding out about the access hollywood bus today. and nothing had changed. when he talked about genuine contrition, i didn't hear that last night. i really didn't hear it in the taped apology on friday night. so the circumstances of what happened the other day, and what's interesting in the modern world is, it is important that

it was caught on tape. you know, there's a reason why i say ray rice can't get a job in football and other guys who have committed similar offenses, and there's no equivalency -- >> we have seen it. >> it's on tape forever. and those words are going to stick in this campaign. i think trump did a good job last night because of his debate performance and because of how aggressive he was and kind of like a fighter, walking around the ring constantly, thinking if you throw enough wild punches, you're going to land some. he might have changed the subject slightly, but that's going to be part of the narrative. that "access hollywood" bus we're going to find out in a month probably ran him over. >> jamil, do we have you back? >> yes, you do. >> did donald trump back himself into a corner, whether you talk donald or his surrogates, they keep telling us, this tape was from 11 years ago. what happens if more and more content comes out in the next 30 days? there's a lot of tape out there. i have seen a lot of episodes of

"the apprentice." >> there's more than 60% of people who already think that donald trump doesn't respect women. you only could expect to see that number go higher. i think what we see here is that you cannot build a national campaign for the president or any office, really, based upon the grievances of, you know, white nationalist party. really, we're looking at a campaign that is going down in flames. what we saw last night is, you know, a party that thinks that terrorism is a greater threat than sexual assault. sexual assault happens a lot more often than terrorist attacks. if you're going to talk about muslims informing on their neighbors. let's talk about christians informing on people like dylann roof. we didn't seem to hear any complaint about that. really, if you're going to apply these standards to america, you know, talk about a vision for the future, let's see it applied to everybody. frankly, donald trump is not prepared to do that. >> gentlemen, we're out of time wrrk thank you so much for

joining me this morning. >> when we come back, last night's debate was either epic or an epic disaster. what does each campaign see as it best moments from the debate. first, you know what we do post debate. we're going to be fact checking. katie sanders joins me now. the first topic, how hillary clinton treated a child rape victim. >> one of the women who was a wonderful woman at 12 years old was raped. at 12. her client, she represented, got him off, and she's seen laughing on two separate occasions. laughing at the girl who was raped. >> katie, i have seen the trump ad on this, and it's brutal. is he telling the truth? >> his words are brutal, but this is not accurate. we rated his statement false. there is no audio of clinton laughing at that victim. he's referencing a recording where she did chuckle recalling

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it is time phau for your morning primer. everything you need to know to start your day. we begin with the campaigns rolling on after last night's debate. donald trump will spend today at rallies in pennsylvania. while hillary clinton heads to detroit, then to a rally at ohio state university. >> 19 people have died in the united states from hurricane matthew. north carolina continues to struggle with flooding. nearly 1,000 people were rescued from rising waters in the last 24 hours alone. and two missiles were fired at a u.s. ship off the coast of yemen. the missiles failed to reach the ship and crashed into the water. fortunately, no one was injured. >> and samsung has suspended production of its galaxy note 7 smartphones following reports of

fires in replacement devices. >> and in sports today, talk about being on fire. tom brady was. he returned to the field yesterday after his four-game suspension, and he took advantage of a depleted browns team to throw for over 400 yards and 3 touchdowns. there you go, tom brady. >> now, we're going to take you back, back to the avalanche of fierce reaction to last night's vicious debate, with some describing it as the nastiest presidential debate ever. i want to bring ing kristen welker and hallie jackson. ought is the trump campaign telling you was the best moment for mr. trump last night? >> when you walked into the spin room, when you were texting with advisers and aides, a couple moments stood out. you heard kellyanne conway and mike pence talking about donald trump's, what they believe was his victory. they believe he was more, essentially, prepared, if you will, or at least that was the impression. you talk about specific moments. a couple stood out.

one was when he mentioned jailing hillary clinton. this is something that is popular with his base. a sentiment, rather. he was essentially throwing retmeat to his supporters. that line came up multiple times, at least in conversations i had with folks who support donald trump. another was a bit of a zinger, when it came to abe lincoln. listen. >> now, she's blaming the lie on th late great abraham lincoln. that's one that i haven't heard. okay, honest abe. honest abe never lied. that's the good thing, the big difference between abraham lincoln and you. >> kristen, hout about the clinton camp? what do they think was their winning moment? >> clinton campaign officials said they were bracing for an all-out assault last night, and they feel like that's what they got. particularly because trump brought the clinton accusers to the debate venue. there was speculation, would it get under secretary clinton's skin. they feel it didn't.

then donald trump raised it during the debate. secretary clinton pivoted quickly to a quote from michelle obama. listen to what she had to say. >> when i hear something like that, i'm reminded of what my friend michelle obama advised us all. when they go low, you go high. >> hallie, how about the reaction this morning to trump's body language? many said it was sort of menacing, looming over her. >> well, he was over her shoulder. when you look at these split screens, the shots, it was donald trump standing sort of directly behind hillary clinton, and you can see the pictures from the different angles. there are some who said it looked as if he was standing next to the podium and the chair he had been assigned. it appeared on screen was as, you can see here he was sort of in her physical space. kellyanne conway sort of putting some spin on the ball here, saying that if the media is talking about donald trump's body language, then it means it

is a sign, i'm paraphrasing here, a sign of bias. that's how you know in her words that donald trump has won the debate. that said, it was certainly an inrstzing moment, something that hillary clinton herself addressed on the campaign plane right after the debate. >> i'm going to move on then. kristen, i want to talk about the handshake that happened but didn't happen. no shake in the beginning. they shook at the end. what does this mean? >> you talk about the optics, and of course, you and hallie were talking about the fact that donald trump was sort of standing behind secretary clinton alt various moments. you could hear a gasp in the press file room when they didn't shake at the beginning of the debate. it's sort of unprecedented and it underscored the fact this was going to be an ugly debate. it certainly was. by the end, it ended on that question, when one of the people asked what did they admire about each other. so it sort of forced them to talk about the qualities that they admire in each other, and

then you had that handshake at the end. but broadly speaking, if you talk to democrat and republican strategists on both sides, they say this was really one of the nastiest debates that they have seen. sort of underscores just how divided the country is right now. secretary clinton is going to try to capitalize on what she feels was a win in her debate today. she's going to be out in ohio, focusing on voter registration, and then she heads to detroit, michigan, just ahead of the filing deadline there. >> i know we're out of time, but i have to go back to hallie. why do we allow for the spain to happen? saying if the mainstream media is talking about how he's moving, he must have won. i have heard conservative media over and over talking about hillary clinton, her hair, her eyes. why is it only when the mainstream media goes after it. i have heard the conservative media nit-pick hillary clinton. every hair on her head. >> the response is there is very little to lose by putting that

spin on the ball. it plays well with donald trump supporters, it plays well to his base, and it doesn't do much harm. >> okay. coming up, donald trump admits he didn't pay any federal income tax, but claims hillary clinton and her wall street supporters. so what else did we find out? but first, time for fact check. katie sanders is back with me to help figure out what's true and what's false. our next topic, syria. >> she's there as secretary of state with the so-called line in the sand. >> no, i wasn't. i was gone. i hate to interrupt you. >> what's the truth? >> we rated her statement mostly false. she has a technical point, but she was no longer part of the administration when the white house determined assad had crossed the red line and used chemical weapons. but she actually did meet with white house officials and she endorsed the policy, so she's really spinning the facts here. >> spinning, spinning. that's what politicians do. we'll have much more fact checking coming up on msnbc, the place for politics.

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>> you have not answered though a simple question. did you use that $916 million loss to avoid paying personal federal income taxes? >> of course, i do. >> of course i do. one major bombshell from last night's debate, donald trump acowledging he did not pay federal income taxes for years. joining me now, republican strategist dan senor. this is what i find interesting on donald trump saying he didn't pay income taxes for years. you haven't heard any other business leaders come out and say this makes sense. i do the same. you worked with mitt romney. the rest of mitt romney's industry said his business practices are exactly in line with what we do. it didn't work for mitt romney. people seem to forgive donald. why? >> i think trump gets away with a lot of things. trump last night said he was going to put his opponent in jail. trump said his policy on russia, he could care less in syria. he has his own view. trump says he doesn't pay any

taxes. let's just go down the list of the things trump gets away with that other candidates don't. we can analyze why that is. this is a change election. people want to blow up washington. when people want to blow up washington, they're incredibly sort of tolerant of the warts of candidates. i think the tax issue, though, is in a legal of its own. even though trump blows it off, i think over time if the clinton campaign prosecutes it, it will bother a huge swath of the electorate. it just doesn't seem right that a person of massive wealth doesn't have to pay taxes while the rest of us do. >> then what happen in the last 24 hours, if you and i had been sitting down yesterday, my questions would be, can the gop replace donald trump with another candidate? is mike pence going to leave? today, the beat goes on. he's rocking. mike pence is next to him. what did he do last night that we're no longer saying more republican leaders are going to leave him? >> as a measure of what bad

shape trump is in, the debate isn't about -- when we're analyzing this, the debate is never about can trump win the election. the standard has been reduced to, can trump make it through the next four weeks without getting removed from the ticket. over the weekend, everyone thought, oh, my gosh, he's not going to survive as the head of the ticket. and he didn't implode last night during the debate. so people are saying, okay, he may be able to survive as the head of the ticket. according to polling, 1 in 4 republicans still think he should not be head of the ticket. you cannot go into the general election with members of your own party believing you should not be the nominee, and win. he's not deg to win this election. but we just think it's a win for him because he still gets to be the nominee. >> i asked mike pence last night about donald trump's comments about jailing hillary. going after hillary around e-mails, people love that topic. but he took it to another level. check it out. >> he said if he became president, he would appoint a

special prosecutor to investigate her and put her in jail. this isn't the congo. that sounds like a third-world dictator to me. >> i don't know what the fbi was considering doing six months ago sounds like that to you or any of your viewers. i thought that was one of the better moments of the debate last night. >> was that one of the better moments of the debate? >> i was actually shocked by it. it's unprecedented in american political history to have a major party nominee on stage declare that he will make sure that his opponent will go to jail. leave aside basic respect for due process and how our judicial system works. the idea that a president of the united states can just prejudge the outcome of a judicial process and say i'm going to mete out a punishment, put you behind bars. that's what he said, we want to put this person in charge of the investigatory powers of this country, the proscuatoryial powers of the country, the

intelligence gathering powers of the country? amazing. >> if this is unprecedented. if you say this is about donald trump living another day, not winning the election, do you think mike pence is making a mistake standing by donald trump? mike pence wants to be a republican leader for the next 20 years. in two months, donald trump can say i'm going to go back to building motels. >> i believe mike pence has a great opportunity to say so long as donald trump is leading the ticket, i cannot be on the ticket. if he did that, donald trump would most certainly lose the election and possibly begin a process, spark a process that would lead to trump stepping off the ticket. either way, i think mike pence's future would be in terrific shape. standing by trump through this, after the videotape of the last couple days, as you asked in your interview earlier today, about whether or not he puts his christianity above his political loyalty. how can he honestly say that given the events of the last few days. i don't see where he goes from

here. >> those who said this weekend they're not standing by trump, could it cost them the elections in their states? >> there's a core base of republican voter whose are trump loyalists. there's a risk that they will turn on their members of congress if their members of congress abandon trump, and if trump goes to were with their members of congress. those who made the decision, take rob portman in ohio, he made the decision to step away from trump. trump has a lot of support in ohio. that's a political risk that rob portman is making. and it's called statesmanship. >> there you have it. thanks for joining me this morning. coming up, the first debate, donald trump interrupted hillary clinton more than 50 times. how many times did he interrupt her last night? we'll break it down by the numbers.

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as hillary clinton spoke. well, how many times did he do it? let's break it all down. trump interrupted or interjected while clinton was speaking 19 times. clinton interrupted or interjected twice. trump comblained a lot, though, about the moderators. >> why aren't you bringing up the e-mails? nice, one on three. why don't you interrurpt her? he complained about them three times. the moderators did interrupt him more. they interrupted donald 19 times. >> mr. trump -- mr. trump. >> please allow her to respond. >> answer the didn't interrupt. >> answer the question. >> but they interrupted clinton only four times. donald trump said the word "locker room" three times. >> this was locker room talk. this is locker room talk. this is locker room talk. >> hillary mentioned her husband just once taulking about the successful economy under his presidency and moderators brought up bill clinton one

time. for her part suggested trump should be fact checked four times and how many handshakes? you know the answer. only one. not in the beginning. at the end. in the beginning, there was no handshake at all. coming up, we continue our fact checking of last night's debate. there was a lot of talk about obamacare. so who actually told the truth? wh your in eyour whole day.try isbut e has streng t op pr 12 h. nod l can ft has streng t op pr 12 h. soi2your olehour aleve.

throughout the hour, we've been fact-checking the debate. katie sanders helps us. next topic, health care. >> she wants to go to a single payer plan, which would be a disaster. somewhat similar to canada. >> what's the truth, katie? >> this is not true. we rated this statement false. donald trump is significantly exaggerating hillary clinton's plans for health care. she wants to preserve the current obamacare system but on her web site, does talk about

adding a public option. this is not the same thing as a single payer system where the government runs the health care system. this would be one option on top of the regular, mainly, private options under obamacare. >> in general, the two of them, who was more truthful last night? >> so far, we've turned up more inaccurate statements from donald trump than hillary clinton. >> compared to the last debate, how would you square it? >> i don't have those numbers in front of me because we're still coming up with more fact checks, so we'll have to wait and see in the next day or so. >> thank you so much for joining me. up next, much more on the last night epic debate. both campaigns and someone who has been on the debate stage. martin o'malley will give us his thought on what he saw last night. whent cometoealthcare, seconbetwn fend dea.

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would either of you name one positive thing that you respect in one another? >> mr. trump, would you like to go first? >> well, i certainly will, because i think that's a very fair and important question. look, i respect his children. his children are incredibly able and devoted and i thij that snk says a lot about donald. i don't agree with nearly anything else he says or does but i do respect that and as a mother and a grandmother is very important to me. >> and donald trump went on to say that he thinks hillary clinton is a fighter. so you've got to say, it may have been a tough debate, but they ended on a high note. complimenting hillary clinton as

a father. i mean, hillary clinton as a fighter. donald trump as a father. if you recall, last week, eric trump talked about mike pence's debate and said he did a very good job representing the family. i suspect eric will think his dad did the same last night. see you tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. i'm stephanie ruhle. coming up, more news with my friend, craig melvin. >> that was a nice way to end the debate. so the pressure is on. what now? let's recap in the past 48 hours. donald trump apologizes for the time he was caught on tape bragging about sexual assault. soon after, many prominent republicans ditched nominee and then women who claim they were assaulted or abused by president clinton and his wife. and then there was that debate sunday night. it appears the gop nominee was able to stop the bleeding a bit, but is the damage done? many in the party want him off the ticket, but it's clear that's not happening. both campaigns insist they are

riding high despite a new low in american politics. >> nobody has more respect for women than i do. >> you brag that you sexually assaulted women. do you understand that? >> i didn't say that at all. i don't think you understood what was said. >> i think it's clear that it represents exactly