talk about, you know, the state of american politics. folks, what else did you expect in a year as strange as this one? where else will ken bone show up next? who knows? >> that's all for tonight. we'll be back tomorrow with more "mtp daily." "with all due respect" starts right now. i'm john heilemann. >> and i'm mark halperin. with all due respect to donald trump's super surrogate, ben carson, we've said it before and we're going to say it again, you had one job! >> as i was growing up, people were always trying to talk about their sexual conquests and trying to make themselves appear, you know, like the don -- you know, casanova. i'm surprised you haven't heard that. i really am. >> i haven't heard it. and i know a lot of people who have not heard it. and i think they were shocked -- >> well, maybe that's the problem.

yeah, there's a lot going on today. 28 news cycles from e-day, the prevailing consensus within the political world is that donald j. trump's campaign is in dire condition. nbc news and "the wall street journal" updated its latest national poll with some post-debate numbers today. survey says, hillary clinton leads trump 46-37% amongst likely voters in the four-way matchup. that lead is slightly smaller than clinton's margin in the survey yesterday, before monday respondents were added in, suggesting that trump's debate performance may have helped him avoid more of a free fall. but trump's path to nomination still appears to be much steeper than it was just one week ago. so, how is donald trump responding to all of this? today, he launched one of his trademark twitter tirades. he called house speaker a, quote, weak and ineffective leader. and he lashed out at someone who he calls a very foul-mouthed, senator john mccain for

disendorsing him over the weekend. and in what appears to be trump's framing of the campaign strategy down the stretch, he heard this on twitter, it is so nice the shackles have been taken off for me and i can now fight for america the way i want to. so what does this unshackled donald trump do next? well, he released a new campaign tv ad, that revisits the topic of hillary clinton's health. >> our next president faces daunting challenges in a dangerous world. iran promoting terrorism. north korea threatening. isis on the rise. libya and north africa in chaos. hillary clinton failed every single time as secretary of state. now she wants to be president. hillary clinton doesn't have the fortitude, strength, or stamina to lead in our world. she failed as secretary of state. don't let her fail us again. >> so, john, to the extent you can discern a formula here, is

trump's new gambit a path to victory or pure kamikaze. >> see what it says on our wall? >> it says, "apocalypse now." >> there's trump looking like colonel kurtz. colonel kurtz went up the river and surrounded himself with a lot of guys in cambodia and they treated him like a guy and he eventually went totally insane. i think that's what that's about. i think this is a strategy, having seen him yesterday in pennsylvania, like, we're amped up to 11, which is a great strategy if you want to get your base, the 37% of people right now that are in this nbc/"wall street journal" poll that are for him to be really excited and pumping their fists and yelling and screaming at the television, but it is not a strategy to expand your voting pool to the point that you even get back in contention, let alone win the presidency of the united states. >> i've only made this joke on tv twice. i'm going to make it once again. if he's running to be editor in

chief of breitbart, he's got a good platform. look, for trump to become president, he has to get republicans back on his side. so, it's possible that if he does all this stuff, he re-gains the people who he's lost over the last few days, and then be certain in the debate, more clinton disclosures, this ad breaks through. i mean, it's still a real struggle. but because he's currently being seen through the prism of unhinged, out of control, all of this stuff just causes him to have a bad day. >> dude, here's the thing. you're right. he's got to get republicans back. but who are the republicans who have left? not the hard-core trump people. the republicans who are like establishment or in the middle of the electorate, right? the moderate republicans. those are the ones who have fled. he's attacking john mccain. he's attacking paul ryan. he's running an ad that looks like that ad from 2008 that the mccain campaign that was afraid to run at the end of the campaign, that's like "apocalypse now." >> trump lashes out at people

often out of pure petulanc >> yeah. >> but he also lashes out at people to send a message to other people, do not cross me. that is a thing that can work if you're six months out and trying to get people in line. but 30 days out? >> and if you're on the rise? not if you're flailing. >> 30 days out, all he's doing is making more enemies, all he's doing is sending the message of disarray. >> i totally agree, and not getting back the republicans you were talking about. and another thing people are still talking about, on this very topic, is house speaker paul ryan's telling house republicans yesterday that they should feel free to flee from donald trump, if that is what's necessary to save their skins and thereby help their party retain its majority in the lower chamber. we are told that ryan, despite what he said yesterday, still hasn't ruled out rescinding his endorsement of trump at some point in the future, but ryan so far has shied away from public spats with his party's nominee. donald trump has not. today, during that social media rampage, trump targeted ryan by tweeting, quote, despite winning

the second debate in a landslide, parentheses, every poll, it's hard to do well when paul ryan and others give zero support, exclamation point, closed quotes. trump also tweeted, our very weak and ineffective leader paul ryan had a bad conference call where our members went wild at his disloyalty. the speaker has been in a tough position for months. mark, as trump's campaign troubles heighten concerns that republicans could lose the house, has ryan's goal changed here? or is it mely his method of achieving it? >> i think before he was making the case and convincing himself that donald trump could be elected president and that he would sign things into law that would be more conservative than hillary clinton. i think he no longer thinks trump can win. i believe he no locker wants trump to win, although he's not going to say that. what he's trying to do now is save the house to try to have a bulwark against a speaker pelosi. and all democratic control. kellyanne conway is going to be a call with some house members.

mike pence has been communicating with paul ryan. but basically, paul ryan now is saying, this is not my goal, to get donald trump elected president. >> go back to the period when ryan was meditating on whether to endorse trump or not. when he offered the endorsement, what he kind of said was, i'm going to offer it on the condition that you take some tutelage to me. outsource the policy part of your campaign to me. yesterday in pennsylvania when i saw him, he was railing against free trade and railing against entitlement reform, two of the pillars of what paul ryan believes needs to happen. and i believe if you asked him, who you were likely to get, actual entitlement reform and trade deals that he would like, paul ryan, he's betting hillary clinton will be easier to work with to get those things done than donald trump. >> ryan, before, his calculus was, the best chance to save our majority is to have trump run well. i think now he's going to take the position, the best way to keep our majority is to warn republicans, you must turn out. i don't care if you vote for donald trump, but you must turn

out to vote for house republicans. >> i agree with you about that. but it's not just that he wants to save the majority. i think that if ryan looks down the road, that could yield the outcomes he wants, a clinton presidency with a republican house, and either chamber, whatever -- >> -- a mixed bag. mixed bag. >> trump has rejected all of the things that he would want him to embrace on policy. >> not all of them. not conservative judges. >> most -- okay, all but that. fair enough. >> there are other things, too. on the flip side of trump's tribulations, i give you hillary clinton. she is whistling a happy tune these days. her poll numbers are up. yesterday in columbus, ohio, she drew what is said to be her largest crowd of the entire campaign. take a look at this "new york times" photo. it looks almost like a trump rally or bernie sanders. this is from last night on the campus of the ohio state in columbus. secret service says there were more than 18k in attendance. clinton's outdoor event yesterday was well-timed. it was a show of strength when the campaign needed one, because

her campaign usually holds events during the day, when there are fewer people there, because they're at work. so this was a big rally to keep her momentum going. they had another big rally today in miami, where clinton appeared alongside vice president al gore. more on that later. meanwhile, however, for the second day in a row, wikileaks dropped additional half e-mails allegedly from the inbox of clinton's campaign chair, john podesta. lots of new revelations here, including an e-mail from march that suggests that donna brazil, who was then a paid commentator for cnn, is the interim chair of the democratic national convention, ticked off clinton's campaign about a question that was coming at a cnn town hall. in other circumstances, leaks likes this would be making much bigger waves in the political world. again, there's more in there that's being digged over now. but most of these things are being drowned out, including on this program, to some extent, by all the dysfunction that trump is creating within the republican party. so john, as we continue to look at some of these wikileaks

questions, including the one involving the chair of the dnc, donna brazil, and other people of clinton's orbit, what would it take for clinton to lose a news cycle? >> i'm going to go super simple here. i don't know what it would take, but it would take a controversy that's not inside baseball. everything that's coming out of these weeikileaks things so fars inside baseball. the reason trump has been a potent force in the last six months is because he talks about issues in a big, bold way that's not always about this inside stuff. all this clinton stuff is stuff we might be interested in, that politico might be interested in. it's not stuff, when trump hammers on it, it seems so small, compared to the controversies in his campaign. >> the problem republicans have with this stuff, first of all, there's a lot of stuff, but all of it is kind of medium grade. and all of it speaks to -- you know, inside stuff. like the clintons, you know, the clinton team strategized. peep complained about other members of the team. now, there's some questions

about the state department and the functions there. there's some questions about whether there's improper conduct with the justice department. there's some serious questions to be looked at. but, again, it's, as you suggested, it's so much smaller in the way this campaign is covered. the freak show media circus that donald trump fighting with the speaker of the house, himself, not hillary clinton, because it all involves her staff for the most part, it's going to be -- it's hard for trump to win a news cycle right now, as unfair as republicans see this as being, it's going to be hard for her, unless the polls come out and it turns out that all of this speculation about trump being damaged, if he starts to be even in polling, she could win a news cycle and he could lose one. >> i'll say again, you read "the new york times" account of what these e-mails have revealed, it's fascinating. i'm really interested, i love that stuff. but arguments about how to leak her keystone position. donna brazil dropping a question or something. we could obsess all day.

but compared to intimations of sexual assault -- >> the speaker of the house and john mccain fighting -- >> and the republican anarchy, the whole party melting down, it's just nothing. all right, when we come back, the sights and sound of hillary clinton's day with al gore after these words from our sponsors. something new has arrived. ♪ uniquely designed for the driven. ♪ iinfiniti. empower the drive. infiniti qx30 crossover. the search for relief often leads here.s, introducing drug-free aleve direct therapy. a highntensity tendevice that uses technology once only in doctors' offices. for deep penetrating relief at the source new aleve direct therapy.

so, mark mentioned earlier that hillary clinton shared a stage with al gore today in miami, florida. there is a lot, a lot of history and not always the greatest history between clinton and gore, since the two of them competed for influence in the white house two decades ago, hillary clinton and al gore have not been the chummiest of political pals. gore made a late endorsement of clinton this cycle and didn't attend the democratic convention. all of which made their joint appearance debuted today all the more fascinating. there was, of course, first and foremost, most noticeable, their body language. the two of them stood a little bit far apart, but also eventually embraced and applauded throughout the rally. and here's what they had to say about each other. >> what i am most excited about

is to be here with one of the world's foremost leaders on climate change, al gore! those 30 years of leadership led al gore to be awarded the nobel peace prize in 2007. i was very proud. there isn't anybody who knows more, has done more, has worked harder. i can't wait to have al gore advising me when i am president of the united states. >> hillary clinton will make solving the climate crisis a top national priority. your vote really, really, really counts. you can consider me as an hibit "a" of that proof. with hillary clinton, we'll build on the progress made under

president obama, with the paris agreement. she has proposed a terrific plan. i went through that with a fine-tooth comb, and i will tell you that her plan on solar panels and expanding renewable energy, it is right at the limit of what we can do and that is exactly the kind of ambitious goal that we need from the next president of the united states of america. >> so, mark, i would say, with all due immodesty, that the two of us kind of have phds almost in gorology. we've been studying that guy and hillary clinton for a long time. so give me your cosmic thoughts about what went down today? >> well, they were rivals in the white house from the beginning of the collin/gore administration and over the years, they have not been close. the gore family felt that bill clinton's conduct in the white house really hurt his chances of winning more soundly -- >> and they were disgusted by

it. >> and today was a sign of all hands on deck for the democrats and the desire of hillary clinton to use al gore to not necessarily appeal directly to millennials, but kind of a bank shot to appeal to two groups, millennials who care about climate change, and get immediate change on that. stunning to see them together, but no doubt that al gore continues to have a jaundiced view of the clintons. >> and let's unpack it a little bit more. they were rivals because of the fact that gore believed he was vice president and hillary clinton believed she was vice president. >> he believed as vice president, he should be the second most powerful person in the country. >> so they both fought for bill clinton's ear throughout the time. as you said, the gores had a very jaundiced view about hillary clinton -- about bill clinton, because of his behavior. hillary clinton also had a jaundiced view about al gore, in

a lot of ways, thought he was politically maladroit and not ostensibly liberal. so they have never liked each other. gore was miserable in the white house, and a lot of his misery has to do with her. but he really cares about this issue of climate change. his reputation has taken a beating after he sold current tv to the qatarries, a lot of people on the left thought it was hypocritical to sell it to an oil-producing nation. and he's so bitter over what happened in 2000 and his feeling that the election was basically stolen from him. and he like all democrats regard trump as a menace. so he wants to be out there. he does not want to see this thing happen again. his message today was that, and i think he really feeling it in a very heartfelt way. >> you have to understand part of the psychology of al gore is, he won the popular vote. more people went to the polls in florida, he should have been president by his judgment. and so, he has dabbled in presidential politics since

then, but he has largely stayed out of it. and to see him come back today, i think this event might not be a total one-off, but you can imagine a world he would be out there a lot more for her. and the fact that he's done one is testament to the all hands on deck. >> and i'll say the other thing we both know about al gore is he hates politics. he's the guy more than almost anybody i've ever met desperately wanted to be president, but never wanted to do anything it would take to get there. to get him out on stage gives you a sense of what he thinks the stakes are in this election. even once, because he hates doing this. when we come back, a clinton adviser and trump adviser walk into the core club here in gotham city. we'll show you what happens next, right after this.

a bit earlier today, john and i hosted an event at new york city's core club with two important political fund-raisers for the leading presidential hopefuls. we were joined by anthony scaramucci, who is the founder of an investment firm and a trump adviser. and mark lasry, a hedge fund manager and adviser to hillary clinto here is what scaramucci had to say about what he thinks of donald trump's chances of winning the presidential election. >> i would say that right now, and i think mark would probably agree with me, there's a one in five shot or one in ten, somewhere between one in ten and one in five. because what you know about politics is that anything can happen. you look at the polls, i would say 20% -- >> so what -- >> i'm hoping he has a higher chance than that. >> the much later took to

twitter saying that his political forecasts was based on polling and prediction markets, but that trump, quote, always exceeded those expectations. so what do you think of one of donald trump's supporters suggesting that his chances are not more of a lock. >> i thought scaramucci was being honest there and he was fairly -- to be totally fair to him, he defended donald trump throughout the thing, made a lot of arguments in favor of why he was still with donald trump, made an extended argument for why he was still with him, even after what came out in these tapes, but he can read the polls. these guys work with numbers all day long. they're looking at numbers. and he is looking at the prediction markets and he's looking at the polls we've all seen, and making a pretty accurate assessment of anybody who's actually in touch with reality would think the race is right now. >> part of the problem for donald trump right now goes back to something we discussed before. every trump surrogate is going to be asked about the controversies surrounding the trump campaign, but everyone is hearing about -- they involve donald trump himself.

but democratic members of congress, they're not being asked about every clinton scandal, in part because reporters can't keep up with the minutia of every one of them. and in part, because not everyone's going to have an opinion about it or should be called on to have an opinion about it. >> as i said before, they're not as relatable. you can ask scaramucci, what does his wife think about trump? what does he say to his daughters? >> but if you ask a clinton surrogate, what does your husband think about donna brazile -- it's just not the same. it's hard. it's not fair to the republicans in some ways, but i so ee the dynamic and why it exists. >> that's not all what anthony scaramucci had to say about this election. here's what he told us when we asked him what donald trump should do between now and november if he wants to win the election. >> what i would be focused on right now is i would get a balance sheet out and i would get those 90-second clips that he did, the one he did on friday night or the apology and i would say, okay, here's where i stand on these issues. this is why it's beneficial to working class families and the

middle class. this is where the secretary stands on these issues. this is why these issues will be debilitating to the middle class. and i would stream it and go right over the top of the mainstream media, right to the american people. more so than he can with the 20,000 or 30,000-person crowd. and i would lay out each thing. whether it's immigration or trade, any of these things. i would also get his surrogates to be better coordinated than they currently are, so when that message is coming o out from him, they can go out with a message that's similar to the message that he's beaming in on the 90 seconds. >> of course, scaramucci there making an argument for trump being basically policy focused at the very moment that trump was releasing the ad, attacking hillary clinton on her health. so an interesting prescription, but fantasy land. >> again, yesterday watching mike pence giving policy speeches, they have an argument that revs up the base and the broader base than the tact trump is taking now, but he's not going to pursue a campaign based on policy and the new ad today makes that very clear. >> during the event, mark lasry

also talked about his idea that centrism has shifted to the left. >> i think what you see now, especially with what happened with bernie, what was center, isn't where it was four years ago or eight years ago. you are going to nee more government intervention. i know the feeling is for it to be in the center, it's less government invention, but with the issues you have out there, you'll need more government invention. >> i asked him as i do a lot of clinton surrogates, what position she's taken in the center and he didn't really have an answer. >> right. and i don't know if the center has shifted, because clearly the right has moved farther to the left and the left has moved farther to the left. but what mark lasry is talking about as far as economic things, there's no doubt that the democratic senator has moved to have the left and cultural politics across the country have moved to the left.

>> economics, you never hear her talk about reforming entitlements, reinventing government, eliminating waste. >> those are '90s arguments. those are '90s new democrat arguments and the party's not -- it's not like that anymore in the democratic party. it's moved to the left. >> fascinating to hear those two guys who are friendly with each other agree about a fair amount -- especially both of them thinking about that a speaker ryan could get a lot of work done. >> very smart guys. coming up, we talk to a trio of political titans about the state of the presidential race. won't want to miss that. stay tuned. we'll be back with more "with all due respect" right after this.

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our next guest tonight is three guests tonight. from washington, d.c., our nation's capital, we have american values president, gary bower, a former republican presidential candidate, and a current donald trump supporter. from boston, we've got jush's

former campaign strategist, dave cotchel. and in los angeles, we're joined a senior adviser to the aforementioned al gore's presidential campaign, robert shrum. gentleman, what an incredible trio you are. you guys can't see us here. you're lined up ideologically in an odd way, but i'll ask gary bower, then bob shrum, and then gary gotchel, where's the race at now? is this race basically over? >> it ain't ever over until it's over. whether it's sports or politics, you get up every morning and fight as if you can win. and it's important for the ticket, for trump/pence, to approach the rest of the campaign exactly that way. you go out and make your points. there's a tremendous amount of vulnerabilities for hillary clinton, one of them being, which has gotten kind of buried

in all of this, is that a good bit of the industrial base of this country has been devastated, and that people that have been voting democrat for years feel that their party has abandoned them. those are new people for the republican party. if it's got enough of a brain to accept them. and i think they need to keep making the case for those people, and for clinton corruption, and what that would mean for four more years in washington, d.c.. >> all right, gary bauer, pro-trump republican says the race is not yet over. bob shrum, i know what you're going to say, but i'm going to ask you, anyway. is the race over, bob? should we stick a fork in it? >> i thought it was over on labor day, said it on your show, thought trump was in a democratic cul-de-sac they couldn't get out of. made it worse since then. and if you look at a state like pennsylvania, the latest polls show him losing that state by 12%. in fact, if you go state by state in the battlegrounds, she's ahead in virtually every one of them. i don't see what he's going to do to recover.

i think what he did in the debate was get himself a few more republicans who really dislike the clintons, but he's stuck at about 39 or 40%. he can't win the election with that 39 or 40%. >> it's true, you did say the race was over labor day. you told me that. you're being consistent. now we move to the tiebreaker here, dave cotchel, republican, but not a big fan of donald trump's. give us the clear, unbiased view, dave. is the race over? >> yeah, i'll be the tiebreaker. the race is over. time of death was about 10:00 the night of the first debate. it's been downhill ever since. and you know, you can't bring one or two peep into the front door of the party while you're pushing 20 or 30 out the back. so it's over and it's been long over and we're just on the slide now to see what happens in the last 30 days. >> i want to ask all of you a question -- go ahead, gary. >> i'm sorry. go on. >> i'll start with gary, but i want you all the to address

this. you've all supported candidates who have done bad things in their personal lives, every one of you has. gary, you're supporting a candidate now who on friday was revealed to have done things that horrifies a lot of people, disgusts a lot of people. what would donald trump have to do for you to withdraw your support, if it wasn't that tape? >> look, i -- i don't even think in those terms, in all due respect. everybody -- i know this might be news to some folks, but everybody that has ever run for any office in america and every voter that has voted for them, three lo theologically, according to my beliefs as christians, are centers. they've all said things, done things, violated various -- >> but gary -- >> let me just finish the thought. >> okay, go ahead. >> it's policy that matters. and the fact of the matter is that donald trump has the right positions on growing the economy, shrinking government,

lower taxes, pro-life, defending religious liberty, and hillary clinton is engaged in a cover-up of her corruption and an polyester f apologist for her husband. >> so gary, why don't you forgive that? if you're personally and theologically -- >> it's not me to forgive. i don't oppose them because of their activities. i oppose them because they're wrong philosophically. >> but you've -- >> her mishandling -- >> many reporters of donald trump have been critical of president clinton, for instance, for his personal failings. why are you less forgiving personally and theologically for that? >> i don't speak for every evangelical or every value voters. >> i understand. i'm trying to understand. >> the issues ought to be the differences on policy between the candidates. it's night and day -- >> have you ever -- >> by the way, al gore was down in florida campaigning for hillary clinton today.

i seem to remember that al gore was publicly accused of being a sexual assaulter by multiple massagers in multiple cities in -- and she campaigns with him in florida today. >> would you forgive him for that and say he's a sinner and forgive him? >> i'm pointing out the hypocrisy of the left acting like a ten-year-old tape is somehow horrifying when the left in this country has been associated with radical social policies. >> bob, let me ask you to critique gary's answers. >> well, i think it's absurd. i think it's entirely unfair to bring up that charge against al gore, which was never substantiated. the -- what donald trump did, what he said, has come out of his own mouth. >> what he said. what he said. >> gary, i didn't interrupt you, so why don't you not interrupt me, okay -- >> well, this guy -- >> gary, don't interrupt!

you can't win the argument by interrupting. what donald trump said 10 or 11 years ago when he was, by the way, a 59-year-old man, not some college kid, was outrageous. but he's said things like it over and over and over again pch he's said them in this game to megyn kelly. he said them in the first debate -- he just does it over and over and over again. i mean, i could go through all the quotes. piggy, i mean, we've seen them all. this is who he is. and i think it makes it very -- >> anything but the issues, right, bob? >> -- to take somebody that unstable. it's not just about his private sexual conduct or his private sexual comments or his attitudes towards women, it's somebody who is so unstable, so anxious to be vengeful, so ready to strike out, that makes him unacceptable as president of the united states. >> dave kochel, how do you think speaker ryan -- >> mishandling classified information, appeasing iran --

>> stop it. stop it. >> how would you evaluate how speaker ryan has handled the last 48 hours? >> well, he's in a difficult situation. i mean, it's lose/lose. what are you going to do at this point? the strategy they needed was a few months ago that mike coffman in colorado used, which is, look, don't give hillary clinton a blank check. they've known for a long time the direction this campaign was headed. and gary bauer can twist hills into whatever kind of pretzel he wants to. the truth is, we're going to have to come up with a whole new definition of hypocrisy to, you know, to talk about how, you know, the religious right is supporting a guy like donald trump, even after what's come out. and by the way, we haven't seen the last of it. there's plenty more. i would say run for your lives. what i can't -- i understand what donald trump is doing right now. i understand, you know, the situation the campaign is in. what i can't understand is anybody defending him. he's going to napalm the whole village and, you know, to try to win a battle that is lost

already. the problem is, you know, nobody survives in the village when it's all over. we've got to get as far away from this thing as we possibly can, as republicans, and define what the party is on november 9th. that will probably be the most important day of this election. >> that would be great to define what the matter is. two-thirds of republican voters felt betrayed by the republican party. >> -- get together, i'll support mr. trump. but the truth is, we can't win an election this way. we've never seen a candidate implode like this 28 days out from election. >> gary, i'll ask you a couple of questions, but while i do it, i'll ask you to please do not talk over the other guests on the show. it's not helpful to our viewers. >> i guess i watched too much of the kaine debate. >> i understand. a minute ago, you were asking about how this should all be about policy and then launched

anned a homon ed ad hominem att gore. so do you want to talk about policy, or a former presidential candidate who's done one campaign event in this presidential campaign so far? >> i'm trying to figure out whether the left is serious about sexual assault -- >> i don't want to hear about the left, gary. you said you wanted to talk about policy and literally the next words out of your mouth were, al gore, masseuses. policy -- >> do you want me to answer your question or filibuster your own show? >> well, it is my show, so -- >> i'm trying to figure out whether these issues of personal conduct actually matter or not to the left? that's the only thing they're raising about donald trump. they're afraid to fight on the issues of open borders, trade deals that gut our economy, appeasement of iran. go down the list. if the campaign was about those issues, hillary clinton wouldn't see the light of day. >> so gary, let me -- >> so all the left has with

their -- with their republican friends, is to try to smear the republican candidate. and by the way, i can't ever imagine harry reid or nancy pelosi bailing out on a democrat presidential candidate. in fact, they didn't say a word when hillary clinton spent the last three years obstructing justice and destroying evidence that was central to an investigation of her mishandling of classified information. >> bob, there's a lot to work with there. i'm going to -- i'm going to let you pick and choose what you would like to respond to there. gary, if you can just let bob speak, please. >> one, these are completely baseless attacks on hillary clinton. she said using a private e-mail server was a mistake. she's not going to make excuses for it. there's no evidence that anybody got hold of any confidential information because of that. the fbi director, who's a republican, said there's no basis to move forward here.

that's number one. number two, the recipe that gary is offering for the republican party to go forward is a recipe that would doom that party for a long time. if you look at the polling data, it is absolutely clear that americans are far closer, by a good majority, to hillary clinton's positions on immigration reform than they are to donald trump's. if the republican party is going to go out there and say, we want to take away a woman's right to choose, we want to restrict the rights of women, we don't respect women, we don't believe in equal pay, or we're going to take away lbgt rights and religious freedom is their kind of euphemism for that, that republican party will lose with the rising american electorate, not on thi year but for years and years to come. >> okay -- >> finally, i just have to say, al gore is one of the most honorable people i've ever met. those allegations are entirely unsubstantiated. and gary is just throwing mud to try to make a case for somebody for whom you cannot make a case. it was donald trump who smeared

himself. no one else smeared him. >> let's finish with some metrics here. i wanted to start with dave, then bob, then gary. tell me, who's going to win and what percentage of the overall popular vote they're going to get. >> dave? >> hillary clinton's going to win, overall percentage of the popular vote is going to be around 47, 48. and electorally, it will be, you know, over 100 electoral votes. although, i will say that there's a possibility that donald trump could win a state or two that governor romney did not win. there will be that many states or many that he will lose that governor romney did win. >> bob, i know you think hillary is going to win. what percentage of the popular vote is she going to get? >> i think dave's about right. i think it's 46, 47, 48% of the vote. and i think she's headed right now for around 340, 345 electoral votes. >> gary, tougher for you, because your guy is currently behind. what number does he need to get,

will he get to win? >> yeah, you know, i'm not even going to go down that road. i'm not a political prosticater, but i do believe, god forbid if hillary clinton wins, it will be a failed presidency, because it will be the same policies of the last eight years that have devastated our economy and weakened us abroad. >> um, gary bauer, bob shrum, dave kochel. >> heretofore known forever more as the three amigos. >> with that, you guys were great. we'll have you back here on the show. it would be great to have you in the same room, because there would be fisticuffs. and we love fisticuffs. up next, two reporters on this show talking about hillary clinton's attempts to convert republican voters. we'll be right back with them. from long island to buffalo, from rochester to the hudson valley, from albany to utica, creative business incentives, infrastructure investment,

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she actually hasn't introduced any new policy proposals. >> and trotting out al gore. >> there you go. it was a twofer. so al gore and climate change in florida and also a middle class tax credit. that was the sort of thing she was doing months ago, to do at this late in the campaign when it really doesn't actually draw any discernible new demographic or voter group to her, suggests to me thathere looking for some ways that they can start to make the argument, look, i'm actually going to be president and here how i would govern. here's a few things i would do right off the bat. >> caitlin, they've been very cautious in brooklyn saying, we're just trying to get 270. we're not trying to win in a landslide. is it possible they're rethinking that now? >> i think they have to. looking at the polling heading into the weekend, before all of this news broke, donald trump was behind nationally and in key battleground states. now we're seeing the polling widen, actually. the nbc/"wall street journal"

poll had 11 points before the debate. now it's nine. the trump campaign is saying that's an improvement, of sorts. that they think the debate for them was a -- will have a rallying effect among their debates among some republicans and we've seen that play into the calculations that paul ryan is thinking about. but this is -- in our real clear politics average polling, clinton is leading in every state except iowa. leading in places like, you know, obviously, virginia and colorado, but also pennsylvania by wide margins. florida now. this is a really tough race. >> so you have been writing about what's going on capitol hill right now with paul ryan and this whole kind of anarchy in the republican party. mark and i are old enough to remember covering the 1996 race, where there's one precedent when something like this happened? what's different and similar between the '96/dole precedent and the ryan precedent? >> the only thing that's similar is if you're thinking about

shifting resources and focusing on congressional races, what's different, though, dramatically and significantly, is you had bob dole going along with that plan in 1996. donald trump has no part in this plan. he is not, as we know, a cheerleader for his own party, as we saw today. bob dole was very much a person of the party. that's a huge, significant different. and that's why you're seeing the backlash that paul ryan is receiving from trump supporters that i've talked to on the campaign trail, but also through people e-mailing and saying, we're leaving the republican party, because of this. but then on the flip side of that, you have donald trump lashing out at people who he says are disloyal to him. >> so hillary clinton will be in pueblo, colorado, tomorrow, which is republican colorado, not democratic colorado, and there's been a long-running debate about trying to cleave them off of trump and trying to rev up the base. that's an argument going on for

six months. where are they in trying to find that balance? >> i think they're still trying to find the balance. it's interesting the place she's going tomorrow is in the republican part of the state, but it is a classic swing county, voted for bush twice and obama twice. that is exactly where they have been focused for the last six weeks or so, on counties like that, certainly pennsylvania, some places in ohio, it seems that she's actually made some headway there. she's now in your average, you know, less than a point ahead in ohio, after being 3 to 5 points behind. and in colorado, where she's actually been doing pretty well, i see this as a sign of confidence and hope that at least, within states even where she's already doing pretty well, that they can even do a little better. >> our colleague, mark liebowitz of "the new york times" magazine story, in an interview with hillary clinton, she seems -- i wouldn't say giddy, but pretty

confident and loose. you've watched her as closely as anyone. is she faking it or does she seem confident and loose? >> she's definitely confident and a little looser after the debate the other night. she came to the back of the plane and us with pretty jocular and loose and relaxed. and she did not, you know, she didn't get universally great notices from that performance, but i think is she's feeling that even if she didn't knock it out of the park, at the debate, that they're riding pretty high. >> all right. anne gearan, thank you. caitlin huey-burns, thank you. hope you both come back soon. we'll be right back with more "with all due respect" right after this. we started doing animation. with the surface book, you can do all this stuff. you can actually drawn the screen. so crisp. i love it. it's almost like this super powerful computer and a tablet had the perfect baby. it's a typewriter for writing scripts...

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one side. because the democrats who in the 1990s said, well, bill clinton is a good man who did a bad thing, both parties want to basically say, well, our side, we can forgive them because their policies are so great, but then they both criticize the other side. democrats were in high dungeon about what donald trump said. there are plenty of democrats who have done worse in their lives and they're willing to forgive that. both sides have adopted this attitude. and they all say, well, we really want to talk about policy, but then they don't. >> and i like gary bauer, i want to have him back on the show, but the starkness of, i want to talk about policy. oh, by the way, al gore with those masseuses. >> without a doubt. but you can have a lot of democratic examples on this program and many others. >> peace. we'll be back with more in just a moment. if you're watching us in washington, d.c., you can listen to us on the radio, f.m. 99.1. we'll be right back. using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the framework...

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