of deep south states. it could happen in 20 scap16. mtp daily starts right now. >> if it's wednesday, donald trump is raging against the political machine with experience theories of what he is calling sinister d.c. deals. tonight talk of revolution is bubbling up with trump supporters. as trump declares war on his own party. >> this is a rigged, rigged system. >> why the third rail of third party politics is getting hotter. we will check in with libertarian vp nominee bill wells and the urban plight and the challenges ahead for the next president to revive many struggling u.s. cities. this is mtpdaley and it starts

right now. welcome to "mtp daily" i'm andrea mitchell in new york for chuck todd. the trump tail spin continues. it's been more than 24 hours since the republican nominee boasted that the shackles were off and the war within the gop is far from over. as trump holds nothing back, his supporters rhetoric is becoming increasingly volatile. >> for me personally, if hillary clinton gets in, i myself, i'm ready for a revolution. we can't have her in. >> don't say that. >> people are tired of taking it. take it as it is, but we are in the crowd. we are all second amendment pros. we want or country back like he said. she not going to give it to us. >> trump has been laying the

ground work for this since the early days, calling the system rigged and encouraging supporters to monitor polling places. >> the system is rigged and it's a rigged disgusting dirty system. it's a dirty system. >> it's a rigged system. it's a totally rigged system. the elections are rigged. it's a totally rigged system. the only way we can lose in my opinion and i mean this, pennsylvania is in f cheesing goes on. >> this is a rigged, rigged system. >> trump reminded supporters that he was the first to call the system rigged in the aftermath of the louisiana primary. beginning to look like a trump loss on election day. she is covering the trump campaign in panama city, florida. halle, there is a cause and effect relationship between his rhetoric since the primaries and now what we are seeing out there

from his supporters. >> what we hear from supporters and i don't want to overstate this. when he talked to people at rallies over the last week or so as donald trump started to ramp up the rhetoric in places like pennsylvania about concerns about voter fraught and concerns it could be a rigged election. you do hear that reflected back at you from some folks. you ask what they mean about a political revolution or a revolt after november 8th if donald trump were to lose. you get a variety of answers. others split off and that's to do that. i spoke with a woman in panama city. what happens with the election is god's will. i don't want trump to lose, but if he does, that's part of god's greater plan. she is concerned about what that

would mean for the country since she is a donald trump supporter and not a hillary fan. >> in pennsylvania i believe in scranton or somewhere out west in pennsylvania or central pennsylvania where he first began talking about it being rigged and the possibility of something happening on election day. there are no data to back that up. no record of voting fraud. that led a lot of minorities to believe they would be facing intimidation and they would be vigilantes on election day. >> and trump called on people to go to polling places and monitor and make sure that everything goes off as it is supposed to. it is something we hear about since he is in pennsylvania. he refers to philadelphia suburbs and areas in philadelphia. the data and the numbers show and studies have been shown that it is nonexistent and there is voter fraud in the way he implies there could be some.

>> finally when you are out there on the campaign, do you think he really believes that this strategy of going against speaker ryan and creating a civil war, if you will, in the republican party, that will help him expand the base in the suburbs around philadelphia. are voters making their decision? >> i think the campaign believes that this will rally his base. this will mobilize his base of support that is in place. this speaks to his message that he has been pushing over in the establishment and the status quo versus this agent of change and the people who back him want to throw a grenade into the mix and believe he is the candidate to do so. people have been a part of the d.c. culture for a while. they believe that is going to be effective in pulling out the base. >> halle jackson on the trail in

florida. let's bring in my guest, trump supporter bob err lick. >> how are you doing? >> i'm doing great. how is the trump campaign doing? what do you think of the strategy? what do you think of paul ryan and the others? >> there is little i can add to what we just heard. this is classic trump. this is the movement and not the party. he has been agitating against the leadership and the status quo and people who held power. people that didn't take on president obama. they wanted to since they won. this is really taking it up a notch, but it's no different strategy than you have seen. it propelled him to the most votes and can you carry that

over to general election day. i keep hearing focus on republicans and that's accurate and fair. this is working class democrats in michigan and wisconsin and pennsylvania and virginia and north carolina. this is republicans and democrats and middle class and working class americans who felt the angst and who were frustrated and angry as a result of 1% growth which in my view has been the issue that has propelled trump from day one. >> you are absolutely right. that is his path to victory. what we are not seeing is aside from iowa, we are not seeing the

ground swell. they are not saying they are voting for trump. we are not see that in pennsylvania where every poll indicates a double-digit lead for the democrats. >> i believe in polls. scientific polls are accurate, but what you see obviously is the result of the video and considerable damage put on the campaign. prior to the video. and some were tied and not just ohio and iowa, but florida. we will see how it is in a few weeks. we will take the short-term damage regardless of the cause in the disparity in the polls. it's get out the vote and it's doing well in the third debate. it's also going back to issues that at some point issues have

to count. at some point the issues of charter schools and growth and this 1% growth that caused all this ingest and $20 trillion in debt and it has to count i would hope the third debate would be about more issues and less about the personal stuff from both sides. >> whether bringing those women who say they were victimed. they bring them and confronting them. >> hillary clinton's regard is more fair. people can make their own

determinations. both sides have gone with wiki leak leaks every day and how people really feel about the candidates and bernie and all that. what they did to bern tow make sure he lost. at some point the issues have to count. i know sex sells and all of this stuff and you have to report it and it's news. got it. i care about charter schools and criminal justice reforms and debt and real growth. at some point i want to hear that clash of ideas. i don't care if it gets ugly. that's what campaigns are all about. >> what would you say to rudy giuliani and david and the others who have been go personal against bill clinton about his past?

>> bill clinton's past is not rel vanlt. hillary's behavior is more relevant. what he said to tape was apologizing, but it was terrible. some of the stuff we have seen from the other side and the leaks and the cyber security and all of this stuff, the truth appeared to be one option among many. all that aside, let's get down to i hope the moderator chris wallace gets down to it and said forget it. second, third, fourth level thinking that the american public has a right to expect from a leader of the free world. >> amen. thank you for that. how about that. old fashioned debates when we talk about issues. thank you very much. i will bring in my panel and

democratic pollsters. a glass man in the white house. the trickling of the racial crisis. the book is out next week. the washington editor of the national review and the political editor in the reports. welcome all. cornell, your reactions to governor err lick? it's a head scratcher. as a swoeks person, you want to muddy the waters. the whole ideal that is equal on both sides. the fact checkers now are close and that's on who is being more factual and the idea that donald trump is out there right now at rallies talking about voter fraud and how this election will

be stolen from them despite the fact that he is losing, it's a head scratcher. governor err lick is a smart guy. at some point republicans have to stand up and say no. we can't put party above country. he is rallying up anger about the election he is going to lose. his strategy is not about a strategy for winning in november. the trump strategy is post november. he is trying to win post november. taking on ryan and mcconnell and the establishment republicans. this is about post november, not about november. >> what does it mean about the future of the republican party. >> to call what trump is doing is a strategy is generous. his attacks on fellow republicans if it was a strategy he would be trying to unite the party and a lack of self discipline and control that puts the campaign advisers in the position of having to go out and defend him. post november you see his fellow

republicans trying to salvage congressional majorities and looking to the 1996 model of redirecting resources of the house and senate campaigns and the difference between 1996 and today is bob dole didn't say if you redirect resources, i will start attacking my fellow republicans and telling voters no the to vote for them and vote against them. there is a separate trump vote that he can turn against congressional republicans. they are trying to grapple with that and discussions about how republicans in ideas can govern the majority. does speaker ryan run the risk of being blamed by a large wing of his party if donald trump loses for not being a vocal

supporter? >> i'm not sure what size of wing it is within the party, but he is going to get blamed. the rift between paul ryan and members of the house freedom caucus didn't just pop up because of the conference call. it has been going on before ryan was speaker going back to when john boehner was speaker. this is more fuel to the fire. it gives the most they are down the ballot and in a tough position. they need in order to get reelected, they need trump supporters and people who are offended by donald trump. it's a coalition and the nbc news "wall street journal" survey they asked what should republican candidates do in response to the 2005 tape being released. 67% of republicans said the candidates should still support donald trump. you see the incumbents where

many of their heart is to go against them and denounce trump. you have part of the supporters saying no, stick with them until the bitter end. that's one of the chief points of attention in this election. >> what president obama was doing on the trail and hillary clinton in colorado. you are trying to say you can't just say you are standing back from donald trump now. you let him be creative and supported him and turn a blind eye. they are responsible for it. i think the narrative coming into the ticket flitting. the trend going with fewer ticket flitters. because trump is a unique character, most don't think of him as the head of the republican party. it has been the purpose on democrats to couple every

candidate with trump and the recent tape and the second debate that gives democrats another opportunity with that in the news to do that. >> can i jump in real quickly? it's a problem for republicans and you take a state like new hampshire where you have a large swath of independent voters and what the republican senators very struggling with is frankly those independent voters breaking against donald trump and not splitting. it was interesting that she came out and distanced herself from him recently because at some point, you do have to sort of have your own brand. if she is tied to donald trump with the independent voters, you will see this in a lot of senate cases. if she is tied to donald trump, they are not going to split the ticket and she is going to lose in new hampshire and a lot of republican senators are looking at that. >> in fact to your point, if the

democrats preserve this double-digit lead in pennsylvania, pat toomey who was ahead of mcginty who was not a strong candidate. pat toomey is going to go down. it would be difficult for a republican senator to with stand that. >> there is two battles going on here. one for the general election and one for post election for the debate. i don't think you can do both. i roll have to try to win the broader audience. >> what's happening behind the scenes if the republican party with holding money from donald trump or did they need him to raise whatever money they will have? what is the push-pull for someone like that? >> he is always delegated

everything from the committee. what you are seeing is a shifting of resources to the senate campaign and the question is and remains to be seen, there are these split 60 voters and the voters who will vote for hillary clinton at the top of the ticket is going to vote for kelly. do they focus on bringing out the voters who are voting for donald trump and we don't know what they will do. and there will be enormous pressure to cut ties and i don't think there are republican who is believe he has a shot at winning the presidential election and to focus resources on people who vote for hillary clinton and vote for the senate candidate. >> just a couple of major donors have e-mails that they want out.

because of that video in particular. stay with us. coming up here as al gore and the clinton campaign push third party voters to reflect on election consequences, we will talk to bill well who is joins me next live. the buss surrounding the beehive state and why utah could be up for grabs. utah? stay tuned. you are watching "mtp daily" ♪ every time i travel, it's the moments that are most rewarding. ♪ because if you let yourself embrace them, you'll never forget them. the new marriott portfolio of hotels now has 30 brands in over 110 countries. so no matter where you go, you are here. join or link accounts at members.marriott.com.

. a new poll taught caught our eye in utah. hillary clinton and donald trump are tied in utah of all places, each with 26% of the vote. independent candidate evan mcmullen has 22%. he is a graduate of brigham young universe. gary johnson is fourth with 14%. four candidates in in

double-digits. republicans won the state by double-digits in the election. trump's lack of popularity with mormons is putting the beehive state up for grabs. they launched a video for hillary clinton hoping to get some votes. we will talk to one of the running mates of vice presidential nominee governor bill wells. s kind of magic. i'm beowulf boritt and i'm a broadway set designer. when i started designing a bronx tale: the musical, i came up... ...with this idea of four towers that were fire escapes... ...essential. i'll build a little model in photoshop and add these... ...details in with a pen. i could never do that with a mac. i feel like my job is... ...to put out there just enough detail to spur the audiences... ...imagination to fill in all the blanks. this windows pc is amazing, having all of my tools... ...right at my finger tips is incredible. ♪

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a-point deficit in mid-september. gary johnson has remained unchanged over this period with 9% support. the libertarian taking the support with clinton and trump. they do not view the others as equal. bill wells on the program at the end of last month. >> she just in the wrong place trying to be president of the united states. i said that to chris matthews. i do not view the other two candidates the same way. i think highly of mrs. clinton and she is very well qualified. >> he said he did not want his cam pin to increase the odds of a trump presidency, but thought it was premature to think of gary johnson as a spaler. >> i think they are whistling past the grave yard if they don't think mr. trump has a chance to win. it's an irrational year. >> i understand that and if you thought you were playing a roll n that, what would it mean for

you? >> joining me now is bill wells. thank you very much for joining us. >> have you come any closer to a decision on whether or not you think you and gary johnson. and what would you do? i think we are getting the soft trump republican votes with the place to go. >> do you think you have a chance of beating hillary clinton? >> it's a long put. she is doing very well. if we become catnip in the national dialogue in the weeks leading up to the election, it's

possible that we could be at 20, 25% in the month of october. we are dangerous because as a pair of two term republican governors who did well in blue states, we have a winning message if people focused on it. >> that could be a spoiler alert. al gore campaigning for the first time and this was his message in miami-dade college who may not be old enough to remember 2000, but he certainly does. let's watch. >> here's my point. i don't want you to be in a position nears from now where you welcome hillary clinton and say actually you did win, it just wasn't close enough to make sure that all the votes were counted or whatever.

elections have consequences. your vote counts. your vote has consequences. >> and he was an example a of that fact. what can you do to avoid that? >> voters have to think for themselves and not take it from the rs and the ds in washington. you have to vote for me because otherwise the other guy might win. gary and i have a good platform and we are socially inclusive and that's different from both the other parties. they can be fiscally liberal and socially conservative. that's with me a week ago and said he didn't think he needed

to know the names of foreign leaders. the politicians who had known where to dot the eyes and cross the ts and led to people being killed. our men and women with services. is that a great argument for becoming commander in chief? >> he was more authoritative before the aleppo moment than any other other candidates. there is too many rebel groups and it's a confused situation. we had a lot of conversations about foreign policy over the past sfl months.

and the approach to international affairs. >> what are will you do going forward with 23 days on the, lection day? trump believing like a wild man, i can't imagine a human tornado will be sitting in the oval office. we will make that case to the moderate republicans who are still with trump, but i have to think they are soft trump voters. that's one place i will be going-over the next four weeks. and still ahead, the candidates are mapping out the plans for repairing the infrastructure on

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presidential candidates have their own proposals. hillary clinton proposes a-year $275 billion plan paid for by a build america bonds promotion and bank. donald trump said that's not enough. >> we are going to rebuild our infrastructure and by the wi her numbers is a fraction of what we are talking about. i would say at least double her

numbers and you will need more than that. we have bridges that are falling down. people put money into the fund. the citizens would put money into the fund and we will rebuild our infrastructure with that fund. >> his plan would clock in at a half trillion dollars. representatives will be detailing plans for the mayor. the president and vice president of the u.s. conference of mayors. the mayor of new orleans. mr. mayor? welcome and thank you so much. mayor, first of all, how would donald trump pay for this plan? do you have concerns that he would bust the bunch et? >> he hasn't been clear on how he would fund it. it's nice to get the attention to the need that is a ticking time bomb in america. as important as the dollar amounts are, we need to know that this money will go directly to cities. we will be able to put it to use. in previous administrations and

efforts on infrastructure, the money has gone through states and never seems to find its way to the nation's cities. >> what are about the fact that hillary clinton is not proposing as much for the urban areas as donald trump, the republican? >> as nick said, the mayors are bipartisan and one of the things we are in agreement on is the infrastructure spending. it will create jobs and help us to secure america. the devil is in the details. one of the things the clinton campaign has done and all the mayors would agree is have a detailed plan about how that money gets down to the ground fast. mr. trump wants to spend more money. the mayors of america agree we have a massive deficit in the plan in america and we need more. more particularly because they get it done. we need to know what the mechanism is going to be and how it will get to the mayors directly and how they get it in the ground more quickly. we are hoping to hear from both

tomorrow. we have a detailed plan from the clinton campaign and we are waiting to hear from the trump campaign and we want to talk to them about it. >> what about the way that donald trump talks about the cities, the urban areas. most recently listen to what he had to say about the cities in the debate. >> you look at the violence that is taking place in the inner cities of chicago. you take a look at washington, d.c. we have an increase in murder within our cities. the biggest in 45 years. we have a divided nation because people like her and believe me, she has tremendous hate in her heart. >> is that an accurate distribution of the city? >> mr. trump is in a partisan election and he views it differently than mitch and i who are trying to lead our city in a partisan or nonpartisan manner.

he is trying to associate urban poverty with long standing policies that democrats have favored. i don't think that's out of line. what we are doing is broken. it's not getting better under the current administration and if the policies don't change, i don't see it getting better under a clinton administration. >> first of all, let's concentrate on the facts and nick said it appropriately. we are a bipartisan organization and the facts are important. they are 18,000 cities in america. 1300 of them have 30,000 people or more and cities in america have 85% of the people in america that live there. we house the greatest research institutions and colleges and the most sport and cultural events and most of the people go to work in cities and hubs of entrepreneurship and great things across america. he picks one of two cities and paints with a brought brush. it's not accurate. great things are going on all over the place. they want to have that without

friends in the kwrl government about what policies work and which don't. it's not the picture he paints. we need a president that will see us as a partner. we need a president that understands that the role of cities will be vital for the future and we are looking to hear that from both tomorrow. >> there is a national conversation for all of the wrong reasons because of the clashes about the role of law enforcement and minority communities and where they intersect. in other cities around the country, what are you hearing from the candidates. first you, mayor cornet about that issue. >> they acknowledge the problem, but the reality is if we are going to have more deescalation training, it will take more officers on the ground. if we are going to use more community policing strategy, it's going to take more of officers on the ground. i don't know that inner city america wants to hear that we are putting more officers on the

ground. it's a tough issue. i think in general we sought to have a policy with the federal government where dollars can go into cities and they can work on the strategies. put them into place with their own strategies and not necessarily make it with more police officers and with strategies that can get to the softer side of policing. there is no question there is a break down in the relationship between people that live in inner city neighborhoods and the police forces. i think we are all working to bridge that gap and it still exists. >> i know -- i just checked that woo what we are seeing and you have people in america that feel unsafe. not with standing the fact that crime is reduced by 50% and 70% of americans think crime has gone up. what has been clear from boston to orlando to the incidences between plus and individuals is that a lot of people feel alienated. if we are going to secure

america, it's not only a local issue. what is going on around the country said the federal government has a in making sure that our streets are safe and secure and people feel connected to the community. the mayors are going to focus on two things. the security and peace of our cities and created jobs through infrastructure. that's what we want to talk about to give them a sense of what it looks like and feels like on the ground to come up with a real result and not just rhetoric or brought brushes, but a way to make america more safe. >> we are here in a bipartisan way as the conference of mayors, but what about your decision as a republican? are you going to endorse donald trump? >> i have not endorsed donald trump or any other candidate in this race. >> don't you normally endorse the nominee? >> normally i have. this is an unusual case with a candidate who said outrageous

things and i have just as open minded as i remained, i have not seen a way of endorsing and the strategies he has used. i don't think they are helpful for america. >> does that "access hollywood" tape make things worse in your mind? >> i don't know that it could get worse. it's not inclusive. we have inclusive cities. we want everybody to feel welcome. the republican party has issues with that. mr. trump has not helped in that regard. >> thank you very much. thank you for your candor. mayor cornet, thank you both. and coming up, the leaks continue. what we are learning from the latest release of clinton campaign e-mails that have been hacked. stay tuned.

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i think it is a reasonable assumption or at least a reasonable conclusion that mr. stone had advance warning about what assange was going to do. >> strong words from the clinton campaign chairman last night on the plane coming back from miami on the hacks of his personal e-mail and long time trump ally, roger stone's comments. and this of course brings us back to the panel. bits 50,000 plus pages, or e-mails, of what are purported to be john poddesestpodesta's p e-mails. the russian who's are believed to be behind a lot of the hacking.

they're not authenticating them. what is the damage here to all concerned? this basically, as he was pointing out. these are stolen materials if they are. >> i think the damage to me, to our democracy in particular, i think we in the media, particularly you in the media, we have to be careful here. this is an illegal act, right? clearly people are breaking into other people's personal e-mails and putting them out there into the world to influence something. to get something to happen that they want to have happen. so i think from an ethical standpoint, we in the media and the news organizations have to be careful about, are we in fact

vehicle for people who are doing bad things to have things influenced the way they want to have them influenced. i don't like the idea of even talking about them. from a republican or a democrat. these are things done illegally by people who are a sinister and trying get the american people to think or move a certain way. i don't like talking about them at all. the coincidence of these, the first of these coming out on friday only within hours of that embarrassing access hollywood tape led the clinton campaign to at least think that it was a pretty stunning coincidence and a diversion tactic, whether it is the russians, wiki leak, julian assange or someone else. that said, roger stone did say back in august that poddesto

would be the next person to be in the barrel. and that's what has come to pass. >> rightly or wrongly, we don't live in a world where e-mails or a disclosure like this will be ignored. and i think to speculate when it is unauthorized, there is no proof that roger stone has clueded with wikileaks. so i don't think it is fair to speculate about that. i think the clinton campaign got extraordinarily lucky in the release of these e-mails. they've essentially been buried more or less in terms of the media coverage by the access hollywood tape released on friday. in terms of what is actually in the e-mails, i think they show why people don't like hillary clinton. they show her campaign aides trying on find a rationale.

they show an excessively cautious campaign, strategizing over everything she does and her acting like the career politician that she is. so i think they've gotten very lucky. they don't show her in a particularly flattering light. >> if not for the access hollywood tape, this would have gotten a lot more attention. the statement about one of the purported e-mails. that dealt with a number of the campaign officials trading suggestions about the catholic vote and paul ryan's statement. it said the distan people of faith in general. to disparage the catholic church as severely backwards is an insult to millions of people across the nation. that's just part of his statement.

jennifer on the may nplane said is catholic. there are thousands and thousands of pages. i think when it comes, to i think we're at a stage of this election and maybe a stage in our country where we tend to assume the worst about your political opponent. in this case, democrats are assuming that donald trump and his team are working with the russians to do this and manipulate the election. republicans assume the worst about everything. and when we get to the end of the campaign and there is going to be a president. we won't look back and say that it was the russian e-mails that decide it. there are so many other factors. >> we'll have to leave 30th. thank you so much. we'll be right back.

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