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future. >> make sure you get out and vote. november 28. >> november 28. that's not actually election day. happy hump day, sports fans. he alex wagner with me here on our show. our story book adventure tonight. we'll have an evangelical story and time travel. talking about time travel in three states, utah, georgia and arizona, the republican nominee is tripling down on his whole crooked hillary motor even. today he unleashed a new ad about alleged corruption in clinton world. to say she only cares about money, power and herself. trump and his team have been

hammering away on this message the past 24 hours. the candidate has also been directing a stream of even more crackling fire toward his own party and suggesting that a d.c. insider's conspiracy is afoot. >> the shackles are some of the establishment people that are weak and ineffective people within the republican party. senators and others and paul ryan. they don't give the support that we really need. i think we should get support and we don't get support from paul ryan. he had support, with congressmen, hundreds of them and they practically rioted against him on the phone. one person stuck up for him. i'm tired of nonsupport. >> already the republican nominee has a massive disadvantage. and especially when you have the leaders not putting their weight behind the people. wouldn't you think that paul ryan would call and say good going?

in front of just about the largest audience for seek night debate in the history of the country. you think they would say great going, let's go. let's beat this crook. she's a crook. let's beat it. you have to stop it. if weighed little help from our very weak leadership, we would be sailing like you've never sailed before. >> today, congressional surrogates for donald trump reportedly held a conference call with manager kellyanne conway and pleaded that he stop attack paul ryan. yesterday we had a nice long talk about whether or not his fight with his own party is a strategy that will be a winning one for him. the question i have to ask you, what do you think the implications for them, if trump

keeps going down this path? >> i think the implications are sowing the seeds. a bitter harvest. if he keeps going, 20 odd days before the election. there will be a massive amount of finger pointing. and what he is doing now is going to exacerbate the tension and the acrimony ten fold. you saw after mitt romney's loss in 2012. there were divergent schools of thought. he wasn't conservative enough. he didn't have the base. with trump, once again there will be litigation. because the break has happened before the election. the notion that the wagons can circle and there can be a sort of tribal gathering that will result in a new reshaped, better stronger republican party, that is a fallacy at this point. >> you went to poetry and the big picture.

i'm going more medium. had they wrote about what's going on with down ballot republicans in senate races and house races, who are looking at trump attack paul ryan,lake at him attacking mccain managing, the whole republican power structure and they're freaking out. because their view is, and the poll zpirs strategists around them. if he is trashing republicans, it won't help. but a lot of these voters hearing this. their attitude will be, do you know what? i'm not going to vote for trump. if i'm not going to vote for trump, i'm going to stay home. any of these other republican senators in tough races. so they're worried that turnout. that trump will drive away the votes they need on win their races. and that is causing, we've seen this panic happening all week. that's a large part of it.

not just that they'll to have deal with the controversial statements but he will hurt them by driving away voters, keeping them home that they need. >> i wonder what the calculation is coming out with your disavowing. does that even win you -- it is october. they've had moments like this. for a republican voter, is taking stand at this point in time meaningful? >> there are 27 days left. will trump do other things that you'll to have deal with? either disavow or not. things could get a lot worse. >> how is the republican party responding to post debate trump?

well, it's complicated. as you may recall over the weekend a number of officials publicly broke with their party's nominee and said trump should leave the ticket. apparently some of them have had a change of heart. days ago the third ranking republican in the senate, john thune of south dakota, called for trump to step aside and called the things he said about women in 2005 more offensive than anything i've ever seen. and yet today -- thune suggested that he was still going to vote for trump. telling rapid city journal, i'm certainly not going to vote for hillary clinton. and he wasn't the only one. nebraska senator debby fisher and bradley burn also reversed their disendorsements of trump in the past 24 hours. others are sticking to their guns for now. has has senators lisa murkowski, the latest republicans to hurl themselves off the trump train going as far as quit go their positions in the state party in protest of the republican nominee. all right. so of all the republicans that

now have reannounced trump, there is a fork in the road. to stay as someone who has not endorsed him, to reendorse him. where do they go from here in. >> it seems like there should be a fork in the road. he said these things. he said this is disgusting and disgraceful, which it is. and i can no longer tolerate endorsing donald trump will i'm not going to vote for him. he has to get off the ticket. what has happened in the last 72 to 96 hours that makes you think, actually, i'm back with him again. they are profiles had anti-courage and stupidity. it is not just that they're being cowardly and timid, they're looking like goons.

>> politically craven. what is under the auspices of principled stand clearly becomes transparently. the idea that you will say this is so wrong and morally reprehensible and then within the same week, turn around and say but i'm not rescinding my endorsement. >> i think it will happen again. >> you think they'll reunendorse him? ? >> we don't know if he will rise in the polls. we saw him take dip over the weekend. there has been some very limited polling data. in the mid to high 30s. if he starts to cream up to 41, 43 again, the republican party has been totally craven around him all together. i think this will be people, oh, you know, i have to get back with this guy.

>> foremost, the republican evangelicals, christian conservatives who are being forced to choose between voting as they almost always do for a republican candidate. and on the other hand, seeming to condone donald trump's screamingly high profile behavior. some like jerry falwell jr. have stuck by the republican nominee so far so donald trump's running mate was in friendly territory when he visited the university's campus and said he should be absolved of his past problems. >> i was asked how i as a christian could move beyond those moments and accept an apology. and i was happy to explain that to the television host. you said, as believer, we're call to aspire to live godly lives. but also, we recognize that we all fall short. it is not about condoning what

is said and done. it is about believing in grace and forgiveness. we are called to forgive. >> so not all evangelicals agree mike pence' sentiment. christian magazine wrote that sexual immorality, lust, evil desires and greed are an incredibly apt summary of donald trump's life to date. he is an eye dollter in many ways. he has given no evidence of humility. he wantonly celebrates strongmen and takes every opportunity to humiliate and demean the vulnerable. necessary short the very embodyment of what the bible calls a fool. >> but what do you really think? >> that is a seriously harsh attack. christianity today. who knew they could throw heat quite that way? so evangelicals, almost always republicans on election day,

what will the story be? will trump have the normal evangelical turnout? >> i think he will lose a lot of evangelical women in the same way that he will lose a lot of women overall of i think that there are some evangelicals who will stick with him on the singular basis of the supreme court and their desire to see row v. wade overturned. it is a flag planting issue that they will, i guess, stomach that rest it. and pull the lever for trump. this was a republican on television last night asking, if he came out and announced that he enjoyed rape. and the congressman, i don't remember which one it was. he said i have to think that over. i find it incredibly puzzling. i understand that christian conservatives care a lot about

the supreme court and roe v. wade to try to end abortion entirely. but i find it amazing how many of them hear what trump has said and admitted and boasted about, and seemed to have almost no care for it whatsoever. seem to pretend that necessary some way genuinely sought forgiveness and grace. i find it incredibly weird that they don't even seem to be struggling with the moral implications of backing this guy who has done so many things that according to their theology are just sinful. >> well, the invocation of faith is strong in the christian faith. we will discuss how the christian campaign has been responding to these disclosures when we come right back. cavities and bad breath. over 400 medications can cause a dry mouth. that's why there's biotene. biotene can provide soothing dry mouth relief. and it keeps your mouth refreshed too.

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for the third day in a row wikileaks has posted more e-mails from the enbox of john podesta. one item today is getting some notice. it appears to be a message from

clinton's director of communications making fun of catholics. for the third day in a row the campaign is calling an effort by russia. today, the russian denied that his country was involved in the hack. but yesterday, he told reporters that there was reasonable evidence that trump's long time associate roger stone has been giving the trump campaign advance notice of the wikileaks e-mails. john, this case of the clinton campaign is making an act of political deflection and a legitimate argument. how is that strategy working out in. >> well, it is not doing neglect to stem the discussion of these e-mails. they're everywhere. they're on twitter. and conservative media is playing them big. they're saying pay no attention to the substance of what is in the e-mails. just focus that this is russia

trying to meddle in our democratic process. i think we should be concerned that by all accounts, that russia is trying to meddle in our processes. as a matter of trying to stem the tide though, i don't think it is working at all of i think it goes back on us in the press. a high standard of examination of some of these stories to figure out whether they belong on television and in print because, you know, a crime has been committed. and some of these e-mails are dubious. some of them are insignificant and trivial. and some of them may have been doctored. we don't know but everybody is being too cavalier about this. >> i think you need to go no further than climategate which also implicated wikileaks. it turned out that information was adulterated in a pretty profound way casting broad scepticism on the facts around climate change. so this is something that needs to be handled. >> there's some funny stuff that

has gone on with these things. something eichenwald wrote in, it was, the e-mail was doctored to make it seem that those words he wrote were coming out of sydney blumenthal's mouth. there were these two enstances where the trump campaign is alleging collusion between the the clinton campaign and the department of justice. in both cases, they were giving notice of a hearing that would take place. they were public by the time they were supposedly clueding. they were on the d.o.j. website. i think people have to be really careful. i'm not staying chin campaign is innocent of all charges. i'm saying everybody has to examine them with the motives and the actual facts. what these e-mails purport to be. when we come back, we will bring in a surprise guest for donald trump's campaign rally in florida. you may recognize him. we'll see. liberty mutual stood with me

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with the umbrella. >> thank you. katy and i are down here doing another sflaenlt florida. we've gotten reports on that. let's talk first about wikileaks, i'm sorry, fwirs paul ryan. he mentioned it. what is your sense of how the campaign wants, and trump wants to talk about his bite the paul ryan in. >> i think it is a very complicated relationship. i think the trump campaign wishes the gop leadership was on board with them more. certainly paul ryan. you heard kellyanne saying she wished they would stop pussyfooting around. you heard donald trump basically implying that had something nefarious was going on. accusing paul ryan. he didn't mention it here. i think he is going off script with that. he is talking about it on o'reilly. then kellyanne conway goes and tries mop up the mess that he made because it doesn't seem

like these are things he's reading off a teleprompter. he is going off script and can't help himself. >> you are hearing some republicans. pulling back and saying they support him. i'm hearing from republican sources that other republicans are saying, they regret going after it so far. they are hearing, why are you going after that? you're only helping hillary clinton. >> there are other swing state operatives who say they're appalled and embarrassed by this campaign. that they wake up every morning and wonder if they should quit. it makes you wonder where they'll be when this is all over. is the republican base going to be angry with them no matter what? meanwhile, because they've gone back and forth.

refused to get away from him after he trashed latinos, after trashed muslims, now he's trashing women with that 2005 audio tape. people are disgusted by the back and forth. i think you will see people stop repeating it. let's talk about wikileaks. i was impressed to some extent with the fact that he is doing something. taking west of the wikileaks stuff and integrating it into his speech in a by a audiences can understand. not just here but on tv. people can understand what is his point? hillary clinton is part of a corrupt culture. i don't recalling him doing that with anything. even in the debate i thought he was too specific and concrete. >> i think with wikileaks, he has some concrete evidence of the narrative that he is trying to push forward.

that hillary clinton is working behind the scenes. not in your best interests but her own. she is somebody over hungry for power, for the presidency. he got it a little more, he hit it a little harder but he is not consistent with it at all. and he says it so sporadically that it doesn't allow the mideast to say, hey, here's the message that donald trump is going on. instead, he is talking -- the it doesn't do anything to get him the attention in the national media that he is looking for. he is constantly doing and saying things that distract from that message. >> you mention will earlier, that they are more uplifted and early on. my sense is from watching. >> all right. so it looks like we've lost mark

and katy. maybe that thunderstorm was more severe than we thought. those with are having this discussion about how this is paying out. really disarray. it looked like the possibility that the party would wholesale abandon trump. now you have very distinct factions all trying to figure out, what am i supposed to do here? what are the risks? what are the traps? >> you're talking about a candidate who has been very undisciplined. given that the wikileaks came out on friday in a fortuitous bit of timing. this could be the week where there is much more explanation about the precise content of wikileaks and instead, we're talking about infighting in the republican party. there was no need for this to happen. one wonders what the relationship is between paul

ryan and donald trump is. where ryan could have been brought back from the ledge if there had been a phone call. i don't know what that relationship is like and whether it is beyond repair. their a lot of people say that trump understands why he is going to lose and if he is setting up for a media empire. if you think about him talking about the election being stolen, him blaming the media and the republican blimt. he is starting to lay out a read that cat. >> all that stuff. it is ball saying here'sy lost and here's why you should stay angry about this. our thanks to mark and katy. coming up, we're calling in the surrogates. healthy, free, the world before me, the long brown path before me leading whever i choose. the east and the west are mine.

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the american conservative union and the trump supporter. i did not write that joke so please, i apologize for saying it. i think you can take it though. >> he loves that joke. >> we've been talking about this rift in the republican party. can one man fix it? >> clearly not. no. i think this is a really interesting question. because we are having, you know, you have that family you who go at that look so perfect and everyone is perfectly dressed and they look like they never yell at each other. that's what the democrats look like. the republicans look like that family that's all discombobulating and shouting. we're not exactly putting our best foot forward right now. but it's honest. and i think we'll get through it okay but it will be choppy. >> never happened before. that's not what happens. you've never a nominee waging war from the heights of being the party's nominee. donald trump is some of the

esteemed people in your party. >> i don't think it is helpful. i think it would be better if we talked about this. i think donald trump is connecting with voters on these issues of the economy, lack of good paying jobs. what is our strategy against radical schock terror and i think he has the right approach on taking on washington. the american people think that washington is completely broken. if we stay on this track, i think we have a problem. if we stay on the issues, i think we have a chance. >> you're a political reporter. if it is not right for trump to be attack his party, what is going on in his mine that makes him think this is the right thing to do in. >> let's face it. we all know that yes, he is

running as the republican nominee but he is an indiana guy as well. he is occupying both those alleges. when these republicans took against him. i think it upset him. some of those people have come back like senator deb fisher from nebraska and the republican nominee, colorado. >> they realized. what are they going to do? vote for hillary in they need each other. that's what i want the party to get back to. they need candidate and they need down ballot candidates to help in the states. so i'm hoping it is a dust-up and we get back to attack hillary clinton. >> you are an articulate and compelling presence so we decided we needed to balance that out with the former

governor of michigan who appears right next to on our wall. let me ask you. >> how much of a problem do you think it is? they're getting asked about them a lot. there's a lot of chatter about them. how big a threat do you think this is? >> i don't think it is, i mean, from what we've seen, this isn't much there, there. so there's not much to be worried about. it doesn't seem. from what has been released. i think the bigger concern is, why is wikileaks dripping this out so slowly if wikileaks is supposed to be the entity that releases everything to the public. what is going on with this slow drip? certainly, it length to the suspicion that wikileaks is doing some bidding on behalf of

perhaps either trump through russia, russia through trump. i'm not going to make a big deal about this because it has been set out there. we know the fbi has confirmed, or at least has been telling the "wall street journal" which report that in fact the russians are likely to be the source of the leak through wikileaks. bottom line is the drip, drip, drip is frustrating from this perspective. hill is out there talking about the childcare tax credit. she's going high. she wants to have people understand the policy. she was with al gore yesterday talking about climate change which is really an important issue. >> even in the best case scenario for the clinton team. what you learn in reading those e-mails is that clinton is very

much a politician. the idea that she has a public facing position ask a private facing position. some of the relationship that's bill clinton brokered, or that his deputies may have brokered. this is confirmation for people who may have believed it is somewhat corrupt or does not play by the same rules, that hillary clinton is not playing by the same rules as we hold other politicians to. this would seem to be a confirmation. do you think the campaign needs to address it in. >> i think they had been addressing them throughout the course of the campaign. what people want to do is to talk about what she will do for people once she is electricity. why will it be better for paeshlts that she is doubling the tax appear credit.

it is going to create jobs in the clean energy sector so people can have them here as good paying jobs in america. she has a super robust plan to do it. this is my particular passion and i'm so excited that this was an opportunity to speak about that yesterday. and yet these wikileaks things which i know is very beneficial to the other side. they can keep holding it up. the irony is that you see this report, for example, from "newsweek." from a reporter whose e-mail appeared in this wikileaks batch which was in fact manipulated. so the e-mail comes out is not in fact accurate. so you can't even validate that these are true e-mails. can i say one other thing happened today? i want to make sure i say it before you end the segment. when you compare this, i have to

say it. when you compare this to what buzz feed is reporting and now time is reporting about donald trump saying that over the weekend, there was the taken that was released saying that because he owned the miss universe pageants, that he could go in the back and inspect the merchandise. that he was also doing this, walking into the dressing rooms of miss teen usa where 15-year-olds are undressing to get ready for the swimsuit portion of the pageant. there were women who were feeling, young women, girls, who were exposed to this man walking through. to me, that kind of stuff where you talk about the character of this man. that is outrageous. >> okay. i have to let matt talk for a second before we have to update the segment. that was an extend asked passionate indictment on donald trump. the fists are up.

i'm glad that it was you -- >> not to matt. matt and i agree that we should be talking about policy. >> you have the floor. defend donald trump, respond, attack, whatever you want. go for it. take a little time. >> the governor does a great job advocating for her candidate. but the candidate is her own worst enemy. much of what we've learned were in the transcripts of the speeches. why didn't she release the transcript? because they indict her for being the politician that you say. i have to have a public position which is different than 90 private position. my private position is very corporate, wall street friendly. wink, wink, nod, nod. and she is a complete free trader. she wants open borders. this woman for 25 years has

flip-flopped between being a progressive is that being a centrist. she can't decide which hayne to occupy so she tries to occupy both lanes. they pay her $200,000 a speech and a progressive when she he's the bernie sanders. i don't know which one will be at the election but she should talk about policy, instead of saying we're deplorable. saying now i'm backwards as a catholic. she needs on stop the name calling. >> she did not say that. >> unfortunately, matt, governor, we have to leave 30th. i'm sure this conversation will continue. thank you both. when we come back, we're trading in the surrogates for the strategists. if you're watching us, in my home down, we'll be right back. something new has arrived. uniquely designed for the driven.

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the anti-republicans stay at home and they cast a ballot for him and then heave the poes. so how close do you think that nightmare scenario is for your republican party in. >> i think it is increasingly plausible. . it was for a while because the presidential campaign has gotten so much media attention. it has been ice hated. the race has been going on and the national media isn't paying much attention. now donald trump is in open war the republican party and the leadership i think it will, and of course, the tape. because every reporter will ask about the tape. right now i would say that we'll probably keep the senate marginally and i don't think we'll lose the house. i don't see wave election. i don't see force getting behind

hillary clinton and overwhelming the ballot box. i don't see that it will be it won't have a great impact. >> how worried should the clinton campaign be, the ryan strategy, that trump may lose but it is about keeping a check on hillary clinton. >> i agree with rick that it will be very difficult to get the house. there are about 30 seats they have to pick up. but we still have a may this. if you look at states like even florida. and there's a race that shows that tightens up. but for months, we've been saying this will be a tight election.

we've been saying single digits. the polls have her at double digits. so that's where we are. he is at 35. his ceiling was 40, 41. he couldn't even win with that. so all these down ballots are now taxed to all of that. so these senators and congressional members who are still with him or have left, they're in a trip box. if you've left him, you're losing the trump supporters. if you're with him, you have to take everything that come with trump. he. >> if you're a down ballot democrat, and you're in the house raes that mean competitive. what would you leak themed to? obviously, spend some money. but their strategy for a long time has been trying to peel off republicans to come over to hillary clinton. not focus on energizing the democratic base. if you're one of those democrats, what do you want them to do in.

>> i think it is important to energy ties base. that's why it is important to have president obama out, michelle obama, vice president biden and bernie sanders, of course. and i think them being out there and speaking on her behalf is extremely important and will energize that base. what they're focusing on is voter registration, early voting program. we know when you have a strong field program and you know this. you can move the needle between three to five percentage opponents. and 40% of the electorate will vote early. that's how obama won in 2008 and how we won in 2012. that's what the campaign needs to focus on. that's what they're doing with their surrogates. >> rick, donald trump has been talking with a rigged election. some have said he needs to stop talking like that. that it can be detrimental. what are your feelings on it in. >> well, donald trump says

everything he loses is rigged. if the debate goes wrong, it was rigged. my microphone dmt work. i couldn't hear it. >> alex, by the way, it is great to see you. it has been, look. i think this is focused on post election. they know they can't expand the base. now it is just scorched earth strategy. to try suppress the clinton vote. but donald trump is an imperfect messenger. i think after the election, they'll consolidate an organization that will be anti-hillary. it will be very lucrative. you're seeing it now. the party is submitting between what i will call the that's right breitbart wing of the party. it is at odds with the party

parentheses like free trade. then you have the conservatives. then you have the establishment. will the conservatives finally figure out how to make it an attractive message again and take over the party? that will be a big brawl. >> is the election over in the presidential election over? >> yes. >> absolutely. no path to 270 for donald trump. >> why are we here? what are we doing? >> somebody has to pay the mortgage and it won't be you. we'll turn to the fourth estate after this. this is ththis is theted. pursuit of perfection. so we know how to cover almost alanything.ything, even mer-mutts. (1940s aqua music)

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>> what's the view about burgled materials? if somebody someone broke into headquarters, what would they say in. >> we have increasingly been using when it it is in the national public interests. and it started with the sony hack. it was stolen e-mails. and we ended up going there. and i think there was some

squeamishness. but it is the wheeikileaks era. >> doesn't it inevitably have a chilling effect? will xaebs stop using e-mails of public correspondents? that's gone in a lot of ways. >> they may. but i don't know how they'll community. someone will figure something else out. >> the deep tease. >> if it is true, the inchination is to public hish. the likenwald story, as a matter of that is there going on in newsrooms and broadcast operations, a high amount of scrutiny being given? just to say, is this really what they wrote?

this language, does that sound like it? you have the general saying, the catholic story. she is saying, i don't recognize these e-mails. i never sent them. she's saying i don't recognize them. what is a news organization to do in that situation? >> i think it is the same as any story. you have to verify it. what would be unhelpful, and i get it where it is not pleasant. and maybe not even fair to the clinton campaign. if they play any games about what is valley and i had what isn't, then we've broken the trust. hopefully they're being honest about what is being fabricated. i get it. why do we have to then russians undermine our campaign? but it is happening and we have to deal with it. >> how do you think that standard applies to a hot mike moment? >> same deal. corporate siblings of nbc had to do with that. and they concluded, after that

they could use the hot mike. >> go ahead. >> that made it easier. the "washington post" had a much easier decision. wasn't "washington post's" hot mike. so that was public interest. now everybody is talking about, let's get these "the apprentice" tapes. interestingly, it is a wikileaks mentality. why can't we just search it? how do we search thousands and thousands of hours of tape? >> his last debate? >> the next debate performance. >> the next one, i hope that we all in the media just remember that we're going to see the world in a whole other way after the next debate. right now, is it over? maybe it is. the next debate will set it all again. >> it ain't over until it's

over. >> a deep thinker. thank you for your time and thoughts.

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