more "mtp daily." "with all due respect," john heilemann, and mark halperin, starts right now. >> i'm mark halperin. >> and i'm john heilemann. and with all due respect to rudy giuliani, you're not the world's best headline writer, but you're in the world's worst. >> do you see that on the front page of "the new york times"."." hillary clinton admits she is a liar. >> headline idea, it's the end of the world as they know it, but pawnee feels fine. >> that's a little long. >> all right, citizens spend pleasant evening as pawnee enjoysed nation's parks. >> somehow a little longer. >> all right. let's go with the first one. on the show tonight, bombshell reports about donald trump and the grenades that he

is hurling back. republican nominee for president of the united states is facing a flood of new accusations of sexual assault and predatory behavior. since yesterday morning, more than a dozen women have come forward with reports -- and reports by more than half a dozen different media organizations, describing encounters with trump that are remarkably similar to each other, and mirror the acts that trump boasted about in that "access hollywood" video. getting the most notice is a story published last night by "the new york times," which quotes two women who claim that trump made unwanted physical advances on them decades ago. a separate first-person account by a former "people" magazine reporter claim s trump did the same to her in 2005. his campaign lashed out at "the new york times," threatening to sue the gray lady, we'll talk about that a little bit more in a moment. and this afternoon, a defiant trump looked visibly enraged while addressing the claims at a rally in west palm beach, florida. >> these lies come from outlets, those past stories and past

claims have already been discredited. the media outlets did not even attempt to confirm the most basic facts, because even a simple investigation would have shown that these were nothing more than false smears. then there was a writer from "people" magazine, who wrote a story on melania and myself on our first anniversary. the story was beautiful. it was beautiful. it was lovely. but last night we hear that after 12 years -- this took place 12 years ago, this story -- a new claim that i made inappropriate advances during the interview to this writer. and i ask very simple question. why wasn't it part of the story

that appeared 20 or 12 years ago? why wasn't it part of the story? why didn't they make it part of the story? i was one of the biggest stars on television with "the apprentice" and it would have been one of the biggest stories of the year. think of it. she's doing a story on melania, who's pregnant at the time, and donald trump, or one-year anniversary, and she said, i made inappropriate advances. and by the way, the area was a public area. people all over the place. take a look. you take a look. look at her. look at her words. you tell me what you think. i don't think so. i don't think so. but it is amazing, doing a story, a love story on how great we are together. and by the way, we're stronger

today than we ever were before, which is good, but -- it's a love story. it's a love story. on our one-year. and if i did that, she would have added that and it would have been the headline, and who would have done that if you're doing this and you're one of the top shows on television? these people are horrible people. they're horrible, horrible liars. and interestingly, it happens to appear 26 days before our very important election. isn't that amazing? this invented account has already been debunked by eyewitnesss who were there. they were there! the very witness identified by the author has said the story is totally false. by the way, this is a room that everybody can see. and it's got glass walls.

it's at mar-a-lago. it's got glass walls. can you believe this? why wasn't it in the story? biggest story of the year. >> when the trump campaign sent out a transcript of that speech, they suspiciously left out that part where trump seemed to ridicule the "people" magazine reporter for her looks. trump has previously threatened to counter allegations like these by bringing up dirt on bill clinton's sexual past and hillary clinton's complicity in it, as he sees it, a strategy that is being championed by steve bannon. that line of attack was noticeably absent from trump's speech in florida today. meanwhile, on the non-scandal side, a brand new bloomberg politics poll shows hillary clinton leading donald trump by a wide margin in pennsylvania and new "wall street journal"/marist polls in ohio and north carolina suggest that the race is still pretty tight in those states. but those polls have obviously been overshadowed by the crisis raining down on donald trump's

campaign. mark halperin, i many friend, how do you think on the basis of this past 24 hours, the trump campaign is handling this crazy moment? >> we'll come back to the polls in greater detail. but i've got to tell you, those who said, like joe scarborough, that maybe trump you would to the collapse in the wake of the "access hollywood" tape in the debate, maybe they're right. he's way down in pennsylvania. but if those ohio and north carolina polls right, it's too easy as "the new york times" and other are says, and politico and others, this race is over, trump's electoral path isn't there. he's still got a really narrow path. he's still behind. but the polls suggest there's more going on than just a downward trajectory for trump. now, donald trump's playbook right now is a lot like the clinton playbook from the '90s, when they were trying to discredit women who were making accusations against bill clinton. race, questions about their stories, race, questions about the timing saying that a the forces for status quo want to keep the things the way they are. blame the press. that's out of the clinton playbook. there are two differences that

are pretty fundamental. one is donald trump is doing a lot of this himself and that's a danger. and two, he's doing it in an angry way. you won't find many cases where bill clinton personally attacked his accusers. those are big problems for donald trump. >> and it's never been the case, although bill clinton has been accused by various people, and i'll stress that bill clinton is not running in this campaign. but though he was attacked -- he was accused by various women, he never faced anything like what we saw last night. just the number of accusations all coming in a giant wave. all of them, as i said earlier, remarkably consistent in the stories they tell, and remarkably consistent in terms of what trump boasted of in the "access hollywood" tape. given those realities, it seems to me the burden of proof is not on these women. the burden of proof is on donald trump. and right now all he's saying is, the stories are ridiculous, they're lies.

he's not disputing them in any detailed way or any credible way. so i think if he's going to guest past this, he's going to have to get better than just yelling liar, liar, and ridiculing one of the looks of one of the women who wrote the most powerful first-person account so far. this is not the strategy to get past this. >> he's promised rebuttal evidence. we'll wait for that. every accuser, man or woman, every accuser, deserves a chance to be heard. and the strength of these accounts for the most part is they have contemporaneous people who they -- >> corroborating witnesses. >> right. but i will say, if the democratic nominee for president had six or seven media organizations all on one night coming forward, people would say, well, that's suspicious three weeks before the election is all coming forward. lastly i'll say, i know the bell rang, which is, the reason i think they all came out at once is because all of these news organizations were jumping on it because they wanted to be part of not being last. so the timing can be explained by that and by what trump said at the debate. >> yes, and i know the bell's gone off, but let's face it, donald trump invited these women

to come forward when he came out on the debate stage sunday night and denied ever doing this. and for a lot of these women for whom this is a painful experience. most of them, if not all of them, have no interest in being in the public spotlight, in reliving these experiences and in being trashed by donald trump, he provoked this. and it seems inexblplicable to that we would see these stories a few days later when these women saw him on stage sunday night and then came forward. >> yep. let's move on. donald trump is waging a war in the media as part of his fightback. he's mostly targeted, as republicans often do, t"the new york times". last night trump's campaign swiftly called for a retraction and threatened legal action against the gray lady, a warning that trump repeated himself today in west palm beach. >> slander and libels that was just last night thrown at me by the clinton machine and "the new york times" and other media outlets. as part of a concerted,

coordinated and vicious attack. these vicious claims about me, of inappropriate conduct with women are totally and absolutely false. z and the clintons know it and they know it very well. these claims are all fabricated. they're pure fiction and they're outright lies. these events never, ever happened and the people that said them meekly fully understand, you take a look at these people, you study these people, and you'll understand also. >> t"the times'" legal people responded to the trump campaign today with a terse letter that read, quote, nothing in our article has had the slightest effect on mr. trump through his

own words and actions have already created for himself. we published newsworthy information about a public of deep concern. if mr. trump disagrees and believes american citizens had no right to hear what these women had to say and that they should be silent or be punished, we welcome the opportunity to have a court set him straight. john, in this fight now that's still escalating between the paper of record and the trump campaign, who's going to win? >> i'll tell you what's not going to happen and who's not going to win in a legal case is donald trump. i don't think he'll file a legal case, because he would face discovery, for one thing. and i don't think he'll ever file a legal case because he would lose. we have a law in country around libel. it's governed by a case called "new york times" versus sullivan, where in order to win a libel case, you need to be able to prove that the media outlet exhibited actual malice, knowledgeable fallacy or reckless disregard for the truth. none of these come anywhere close to meeting that standard. so there will be no lawsuit and "the times" will, at least on that level, i don't know about in the court of public opinion

or politics, bouut on the levelf legality, "the new york times" wins this case hands down. >> every news organization in the country has to report with care, on wikileaks now, on trump accusations. we are close to the election. everybody has to take care getting it right is more important than fast. "the times" story seems perfectly appropriate. they talked to the women involved, they asked the trump campaign for a response, they did talk to some of the other people involved. but it's possible that the women's accounts are not wholly accurate. even possible that they're not both -- that they're both not telling the truth. possible. the paper, though, gave them a chance to tell their stories and gave donald trump a chance to respond. what i object to is i think the paper's making a big mistake. even though it's the lawyers and not the editors, in fighting with donald trump and making additional sort of ad hominem accusations against him. they should do their speaking in the paper, in their journalism, and they did so the great journalism yesterday, and they should do their arguing in court, if necessary. but to put that letter in public, making those kind of accusations. if my news organization did

that, i would be uncomfortable. we have to be fair and even in this campaign and not basically take sides and say, this is an contract portrayal of who donald trump is. >> what they said in that paragraph is they listed things that trump has said himself, and then said, these are all things that trump's image has not been damaged, because trump has brought a lot of this on himself and quoted his own words. how is that an ad hominem? >> because they're putting -- ad hominem may not be the right phrase, but they're putting the finger on the scale against him more than they need to do to commit the journalism they did. and that should speak for itself, i think. the lawyers are trying to legal argument, not trying to uphold the standards of the paper, as far as i'm concerned. >> didn't bother me that much. up next, we'll talk about how the clinton campaign is responding to this moment of high drama and real sleaze and slime and sludge, when we come back. at make me smile. spending the day with my niece. i don't use super poligrip for hold, because my dentures fit well. before those little pieces would get in between my dentures and my gum and it was uncomfortable. even well fitting dentures let in food particles.

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jennifer palmieri responded with a scathing statement, saying it fits everything we know about how donald trump treated women. at a fund-raiser in san francisco today, donald trump himself told donors that trump's campaign was enganging in, quote, scorched earth attacks, but she has not engaged very much in public on these accusations. instead, clinton campaign is pointing to the remarks of one of clinton's most powerful super surrogates, the first lady of the united states, michelle obama, who took to the stage in new hampshire today and delivered what is widely being called an emotional rebuke of trump, his past work about women, and the behavior that's now alleged. >> this is not something that we can ignore. it's not something we can just sweep under the rug as just ooze disturbing footnote in a sad election season. because this was not just a lewd conversation. this wasn't just locker room banter. this was a powerful individual, speaking freely and openly about

sexually predatory behavior. and actually bragging about kissing and groping women, using language so obscene that many of us were worried about our children hearing it when we turn on the tv. and it made matters worse. it now seems very clear that this isn't an isolated incident. it's one of countless examples of how he has treated women his whole life. and i have to tell you that i listen to all of this and i feel it so personally. and i'm sure that many of you do, too, particularly the women. the shameful comments about our bodies, the disrespect of our ambitions and intellect. the belief that you can do anything you want to a woman. it is cruel. it's frightening. and the truth is, it hurts. >> so, john, that's the most

powerful and emotional part of the clinton response. how are they handling the situation overall politically? >> they are staying out of donald trump's way, letting him to continue to dig the hole deeper, and deferring to michelle obama, who both at the convention and at that speech has proven to be i think, right now, the best surrogate in the democratic party, including, better than her husband. >> yeah, she was powerful today, and again, both sides are being so hypocritical about accusations like this, both historically and now. the first lady, though, reminding everybody in a political way, clearly, but in a powerful way, that people deserve to be heard and not attacked, if they come forward. i think the clinton campaign is so obviously pleased that the wikileaks thing is getting very little attention, much to the trump campaign's frustration. but this gives them a break from having to answer detailed questions. >> once again, with let's note quickly, michelle obama did not want to be in politics. she hated the idea of her husband running for president. and somehow, over eight years,

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was assaulted by donald trump while cover, his one-year anniversary. according to that story, trump forcibly pinned her to a wall, kissed her, and later told the woman, you know we're going to have an affair, don't you? with us in a moment is the magazine's senior editor, charlotte trigs. we're getting her on the line momentarily. here she comes, with us now. mark, we're still waiting for charlotte to get miked up. >> i can hear you. can you hear me? >> what was your reaction when you read this piece last night online? >> i mean, i think it's a powerful thing to come from a reporter with contemporaneous and a lot of specifics and a contemporaneous account, and no clear motive to do anything but to try to tell the truth. that's what makes it to me, one of the more difficult ones for the trump campaign to respond to. >> let's bring in charlotte right now, who i think is ready to join us. are you there? >> yes, hi, guys, thanks for having me. >> hi, charlotte, thanks for being there. give us a brief backstory about how this story came about.

what motivated nastasha and what brought it out at this time. >> natasha worked for us in 2009 and this happened in 2005 and it was something she wanted to keep quiet because she didn't want to disrupt her life and face the retaliation from trump that he knew was very much possible and part of his m.o. once she saw anderson cooper asking him at the debate if he had ever acted on the things he said about groping women and forcibly kissing them and he said no, she felt a moral obligation to come forward and tell the story and say, no, he's lying, and that is not true. >> you guys have said throughout this data you carefully vetted the story. can give us a sense of what that vetting entailed? >> i can't get into the mechanics of it, but i can say we took this extremely seriously, and ultimately we consultanted our legal team and vetted it thoroughly and stand

by the story. >> "people" magazine, you write about political figures all the time, but this is about the most politically impactful thing y'all have ever done. was there any questioning within the magazine or at "time" about doing such a thing that would so clearly have an impact on the campaign? >> actually, "people" has a great tradition of covering the elections, and we get some of the best access of any outlets, actually, if you're going to look at our history. we've had great access with all of the candidates traditionally. and we don't shy away from these sorts of major issues, particularly something that is going to have such ramifications, as this. when natasha told us she was open to discussing this for the first time, we were actually very, very serious about publishing it. >> how widely known, before the debate on sunday, was her experience and account within the magazine? >> when natasha came back from mar-a-lago back in 2005, she told her closest friend and confidant and colleague here at the magazine what had happened, but she didn't take it up the

chain. this is not something that had ever made its way to upper management. so it was not widely known. there were a handful of people who were extremely close to her, who had been aware of it, but kept the secret out of respect for her, at her request. >> charlotte, i want to ask you about two things donald trump said today, in his speech this afternoon, related to your story. the first is, he said, the very witness identified by the author said the story is totally false. i've been trying to figure out what he's referring to there. do you have any idea what he's talking about? >> it's possible that he's referring to the butler. natasha describes the butler having walked in on them and interrupting the kiss that he, you know, forced upon her. however, he is not clear, and he's not specific and i would also point out that the butler is employed by him. so we're not certain exactly who he's referring to. it could also be the masseuse that had witnessed -- told natasha that donald trump had been waiting for her at her massage appointment. again, somebody employed by trump, and he also doesn't

specify. so we're not sure what he's referring to, but he has not gotten specific with any details that would discredit the story. >> all right. so the other thing i wanted to raise was this thing that interestingly today, when the campaign put out its official transcript of the speech, they left one part out. the part they left out was the part where he said, referring to natasha, you take a look at her, her words, you tell me what you think, i don't think so. i would like to get your thoughts on that by -- that remark about your former reporter? >> we were all disgusted by that remark. and it's secondary, honestly, his opinion about anybody's physical appearance is secondary to the issue and doesn't matter. but it's interesting anybody on his team might have felt compelled to edit that out and i think it speaks to the fact that they know it was not the right thing to say. >> charlotte triggs, you'since

you've published your story, do you have any new accounts of women about donald trump? >> we don't have anything new to add. but i think the tally is up to five now who have come forward to various outlets, discussing similar experiences. >> all right. charlotte triggs, thank you so much for being on the show. really grateful. when we come back, we'll talk to two campaign strategists about this race and what it's like to labor in a crisis environment like the one currently conflicting the trump campaign. we'll talk to him after this. i'm not a customer, but i'm calling about that credit scorecard. (to dog)give it. sure! it's free for everyone. oh! well that's nice! and checking your score won't hurt your credit. oh! (to dog)i'm so proud of you. well thank you. get your free credit scorecard at discover.com. even if you're not a customer.

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what was last friday afternoon like for you and your family as you processed what you were hearing from this "access hollywood" tape? >> listen, there's sort of the reality of the situation and there's how the media or the trays it. i think most american people say, i've probably said those things myself. we're not happy that he said it, and for sure, i get that, but i think it means that he's a human

being and a regular person like the everybody else and i think that's what endeared him to the american public. >> donald trump jr. speaking to a local the north carolina radio station earlier today. i've never seen anything like this race for president, but we did bring in two political strategists who have seen a thing or two about campaigns that require some crisis management. joining us now to talk about how the two campaigns are handling the events of the week, jonathan prince with a campaign manager for john edwards' presidential bid, and susan delsper s perspeo worked for mayor rudy giuliani. jonathan, what risks is donald trump taking from your point of view with the strategy he's currently pursuing to fight back against these allegations? >> he's basically dared every political reporter and political enthusiast and part-time political hobbyist in america to go find other women over the

course of his some 60-years interacting with women if he's done anything else inappropriate. he's put a giant, you know, bull's-eye on his back. and that's probably a violation of about 16 different rules of his crisis management. >> so, jonathan -- >> -- screams to me, in terms of his own strategy. >> so, susan, jonathan is a democrat supporting hillary clinton for president. you're a republican, who are you supporting for president? >> i'm not supporting either the democratic or republican nominee this year. >> okay. we got that down. let me ask you about how the trump campaign is handling it. within the trump campaign, one thing that really interests me now, does the advisers he have around him now have any idea what the facts are, in not just these allegations, but what else might be coming. is it dangerous if they don't know the facts? >> they don't know the facts, because early on, donald trump's campaign or donald trump himself said he did not want a vulnerability study done. they never went in themselves to

find out where he was vulnerable in finding these people. they would have found the tape. so since he's never done that, obviously the staff wouldn't know. >> so when you were working for john edwards and you were constantly in 2008, there were small eruptions, rumors, none of it ever really came out in a full-blown way to knock him out, but when those things were occurring, did your boss ever say to you, man, i want to hit the media, i want to attack the media, and you want to talk him off that ledge? >> not even close. that would have been the second point i would have gone to, in terms of mark's first question. not a chance. he understood what we were trying to do here, putting aside whether the rumors about him were true or not was to stop coverage. and the way you stop coverage is to stop begging for more coverage. >> just to add on to that, you don't say i'm going prove this to you and create another day's

story. because now all reporters are going to say is, you said you would offer us proof. >> the whole thing that opened the door, really what triggered it, he's in the debate, anderson cooper says to him after the "access hollywood" tape commences, have you ever done anything about it? at that moment, if you worked for donald trump and could freeze time, what would you say is the answer to that question, anderson? clearly, it's a tough question. you can't say, yes, i have done those things. what should you say at that moment on the debate stage to not trigger all these women to now come forward. >> there was nothing that was going to happen that wasn't going to trigger these women. i mean, yes, the anderson cooper debate certainly added to it, but we started to see a slow drip. now, some of it was through op research and the team clinton getting those women out there. another is now just having multiple people out there. women can come forward. because they're not afraid of just being sued by donald trump.

it's the bill cosby effect. you know, a much different charges, but i'm not the only one or he's not going to sue me or take me to court. and so i think they feel comfortable going forward now. >> so step back, with even further that be the debate, step back to when the "access hollywood" tape came out, which that really is the trigger for all of this. you've got your boss on tape saying these things, where he's condoning and bragging about sexual assault. when that happened, there was a lot of discussion in trump world about how to deal with it. should he do a big network interview, should he apologize, be contrite? he decided not to do any of those things and instead went the opposite direction. what would you advise donald trump on that friday night when the tape first came out? >> obviously, as mark has said, i'm a hillary clinton supporter -- >> i get that. >> you know democrats have gotten in some pretty bad situations. >> one thing that's always happened is they actually have some regret. there's some element of remorse. one of the big things we know to be true about apologies, and voters in particular, they've got a great nose for sincerity.

and apologies really only work when people have done something wrong. you tell me how you would advice donald trump who probably doesn't think anything he said on that tape is bad, he doesn't get it. how do you get him to go out there and give a sincere apology. he's not possible of it. >> so is it possible that all the other 15 republicans that ran for president committed malpractice by not ferreting this stuff out. and the they had, would it have stopped donald trump from being the nominee? >> i think at the end of the day, some of them didn't want to spend the money on the opposition research you needed to do. and it was political malpractice not going after him, looking at it today. because at the time, none of the republicans wanted to go after trump directly, because he knew he would just take them down and chop them off at the knees. that being said, there are certainly a lot of donors who played it round saying, you know, well, donald trump's going to back out. they could have gotten together and done a super pac just to take him down, which, i think, historically, would have been

the right way to go. >> jonathan, are you surprised these new polls show north carolina and ohio rather competitive still after the rough week that trump has said? >> i'm never surprised in american presidential politics when competitive states are competitive. because there are so many issues that go to core voting decisions that don't have to do with the candidates. i wish, to some extent, the character issues were taken more into consideration, but they're not. >> let me ask you both real quickly, trump has attacked the media, he's been attacking the republican party, and obviously attacks the clintons all the time. there's now a theory by steve bannon and some others in the campaign that they should make these last three weeks, in order to get through this crisis, drag the clintons all the way down deep into the mud as they can. go after bill clinton, more than nay already have on his personal life, hillary clinton's complicity as they see it. is that a winning strategy? given where they are right now, they're behind, and it's hard to imagine how they catch up, is there any rationale to the notion of the only way to do this is scorch the earth, leave

us both in the dust, drive down turnout and hope for the best. >> it depends what you define as winning. to win the presidency, this is a horrible way to go. but to make hillary clinton the weakest president ever to step into the oval office and then create some kind of news network and say, i told you so, it's probably a good strategy. >> what do you think? >> can't disagree with that. there's no circumstance under which that strategy elects someone president of the united states. >> and it could actually -- if it goes as far as he's willing -- as they say they're going to go, it also -- he may be able to do something that hillary clinton hasn't been able to do, is to motivate voters there. this may be -- you know, he may go too far and people come out and vote for hillary clinton because they're so disgusted with him. >> and he becomes such a caricature of himself, he almost begins to delegitimatize some of the long, long history of kind of really vitriolic attacks against the clintons. that press conference before the debate was among the most absurd things i've ever seen in

politics. >> okay, jonathan prince, susan del percio, both crisis experts impervious to all crises. thank you, both. a little knew, bill clinton has called michelle obama's speech from earlier today the best speech given in this campaign by anybody. we'll take a break and come back. we're going to talk to the libertarian vice presidential candidate, bill weld, right after this. and if you're watching us in washington, d.c., you can now listen to us on the radio, bloomberg 99.1 f.m. right back with bill weld after this. healthy, free, the world before me, the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose. the east and the west are mine. the north and the south are mine. all seems beautiful to me.

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right to my right over here, former governor of massachusetts and now libertarian candidate for vice president, bill weld joins us. sir, i've got to start just by asking you, what are your thoughts, as an intelligent, educated, and civil man on the events of the past 24 hours in presidential politics? >> i'm somewhat stirred by the last two days, because i think that gary johnson and i, governor johnson and i, can do a service to the united states and maybe a service to the republican party by putting ourselves forward as a fiscally responsible and free trade promoting ticket. which neither of the other two tickets is. and that would help the country by giving voters an alternative. it might even help the republican party by giving republican voters a place to go on the presidential ballot. and then they could stay and vote for the down-ballot republicans. >> that was a pretty on-message

answer. good for getting out the vote for the libertarian ticket. can i ask you something more human like. have you ever seen anything like this? it feels to me like -- this whole campaign has had a lot of unprecedented moments and crazy stuff, but this seems to me like particularly dirty and everyone feels like -- as i talk to, feels like they need to take a shower right now. >> i'm not believing what mr. trump said about how i didn't really do all those things i said i did, because i just don't believe it. i've spent a lot of time in the courtroom and seen witnesses and circumstantial evidence, and it sounds like donald, doing it, that is. so i don't believe it. so he's staking everything on what appears to be a lie, but it's not the first time. you know? >> right. >> it's true. >> so you're firmly in the "he's lying, he's obviously guilty" camp. >> i think he's obviously lying. to know the guy knows that he loves women, he loves hitting on women. so why he would deny it -- i'll

tell you why he's going to deny it. he's trying to make this issue "the new york times" and not him. so he spent like an hour and a half talking about "the new york time times", so joe the ragman can say, oh, this is about "the new york times". i don't wa i don't like "the new york times." they're way up there in new york. i'm going to be with donald. so he's trying to associate himself as the opposite of "the new york times". >> governor, i want to ask you about a complicated debate that's not really being had by the country, because there's all this other stuff that's going on, involves national security and espionage and first amendment and privacy. should news organizations be reporting on these documents, which are allegedly, according to wikileaks john podesta's e-mails. they haven't been authenticated, so should news organizations be reporting on them or not? >> did you not hear mark? >> i'm not getting sound. >> he's not hearing you. >> guys, he's not hearing sound.

mark's asking the question about wikileaks. so given the world we're in a brave new world to have leaks. a lot of news organizations trying to figure out whether they should be reporting on purloined materials, something that's been broken in to a computer, taken things out of the dnc, clinton's personal files and -- how do you feel about that question? >> that doesn't slow the that me? the fruit of the poisonous tree. the fourth estate is not the government. i think report it and say, we don't know if this is authentic or not and give the campaign in question a chance to deny it. but i don't see not using the stuff. it's important stuff. i think the stuff that snowden did on nsa was important and this wikileaks stuff is the goldman sachs speeches, i think were wikileaks. they were important to have them out there. that mrs. clinton did. >> and what's your thinking about them? of all the things you've seen reported from inside the clinton campaign, which of them rise to the level of genuine importance? >> i think not turning over the

huma abedin e-mails when huma abedin did turn them over, that was an ouch. maybe it's good to have a private and a public opinion. maybe that's an ouch. maybe the people who really understand what regulations would be best in the financial sector are those who work in the financial sector. those are ouches. those are three -- the first one is a substantial ouch. the second two are pr ouches. but you want to know something? nobody's going to jail. she's not going to jail. she's not going close to jail. >> let's get -- let's try mark again, see if you can hear him. >> governor, what are weld/johnson ticket have planned over the course of the remaining ballot and election day? >> in view of recent events, it does occur to us that we could be a place for republican voters to come and just feel now that they cannot vote for mr. trump. so we're emphasizing that we're an experienced ticket.

you know, we were two-term republican governors. we not only had two terms of experience, but we by definition worked across the aisle, because we had democratic states. and so we're a place where they could go. and it's not going to be a hard sell, you have to do it, it's just, hey, would you consider us? and obviously, that's going to go down best in red states, where there more republican voters. and that may be a little bit of a shift from, you know, i had a lot of blue states on my calendar until recently. and ooi'm beginning to rethink that a little bit. >> and tell us about your campaign activities that are pending. that's your message, but do you plan to do mostly tv interviews? a lot of retail campaigning? rallies? >> rallies, retail out west, you know, as much new york and d.c. as we can do for -- maybe l.a. for national media as well. but, you know, getting out there, showing the flag in the west and to some extent, in the east.

and then trying to raise our name recognition so that the fact that governor johnson doesn't have the high negatives of the other two candidates could pay dividends. if we get his name recognition to 70, his poll position would probably go to 25. because he doesn't have 60% negatives. if we're at 25, i've said this before, but if we're at 25 points anytime in the month of october, we're dangerous, because we have momentum. >> let me ask you for a one-word answer, yes or no, i want to ask you what to do about aleppo, would you have had an answer? yes or no? >> yeah, i would have had an answer. although now i'm so pessimistic, i've almost given up. i think putin's going to have his way, because he's willing to bomb anything. >> all right. a man who knows what aleppo is, the number two man on the libertarian ticket, governor bill weld. thank you very much. we'll know more about our new bloomberg politics pennsylvania poll right after this. because the ultimate expression of power, is control.

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brand-new bloomberg politics poll we mentioned earlier of likely voters in pennsylvania,

not great news for donald trump. the survey shows the republican nominee trails hillary clinton in the keystone state by nine points. we al zeroed in on the key four suburban counties around philadelphia. in those areas, clinton expands to a massive 28 points, 59-31. that's much better than barack obama did against mitt romney. joining us to break it down, our pollster in des moines, iowa, and cornell belcher in our washington, d.c., bureau. why did we look at those four counties. what is your main takeaway from your survey, overall. >> those counties were too tempting to not take a dive if we had a chance. the geography of elections is the urban areas are going to tilt more democratic that be the state as a whole. rural areas are going to tilt more republican than the state as a whole. but suburbs in every state, it depends on the state in which way they're going to tilt. in pennsylvania, which is already a swing at a time, you

have these four collar counties that are so populated that they truly can be the difference in how the state goes. so we decided to take a look at those four counties, throw some extra interviews in them, and it gives quite a stark picture of just how down in a ditch donald trump happens to be right now. >> cornell, let me ask you this question, if you look at hillary clinton's lead in those four counties, those four suburban counties around philadelphia, and is it not just better than how barack obama did, but a lot better. way better! >> a lot better. >> so if you took those results and projected them on a lot of other suburbs and a lot of other battleground states, is that not basically like gameover for donald trump? >> well, look, taking off my partisan hat, if you're the rnc, i mean, this is the scenario that should keep you up at night, long past this coming november, because you know what you're also seeing? you know, you can project that on to the suburbs there around charlotte, north carolina, and the research triangle in north carolina. you can project that around what you're seeing in northern

virginia and around the tidewater area there in virginia, where you have these once-reliably red states that are growing, you know, better -- with more college-educated voters. you know, they are slipping away from the republican party, right? if you have the trump campaign pulling out of virginia right now and north carolina moving towards the democrat, it's time to hit the panic button at the rnc. >> and if you look at our new pennsylvania poll and the other polling that's out now, anything you can say about donald trump's standing today with women, as compared to a month ago? >> well, in these four counties, 67% are backing hillary clinton. so the best donald trump could be is a two-to one loss there. there's just so much room to make up. 76% of women in those counties are unfavorable toward donald trump. so, there's really a lot to sort of the begin to do to fight back. we asked a question about that

"access hollywood" video, that people have been talking about nonstop. and people are bothered by it. and it's not something that appears to be going away. while we were in the field for five days, we didn't really see concern about it grow all that much. there was normal variation from day to day. but since we finished the polling on tuesday night, this has continued to be a big part of the conversation, and when an issue like that has legs like that, we can expect to see people who were already bothered, bothered even more. >> so cornell, the flip side here today in the polling news is, if you're sitting in the trump campaign, you're like, okay, pennsylvania, we're so far screw there had. it's going to be hard to win that state. but look at the polling we see out of north carolina, where it's still relatively close, and ohio, where trump's ahead in this most recent poll. it would seem to me if i were the trump campaign and had the week that they had, i would feel like, those are two pretty good polls out of three for us. how do you respond to that?

>> the poll is interesting, because it has clinton up and ohio as a toss-up. but if you look a reliable red state like north carolina, where you have the pollings certainly moving in the wrong direction, and you look at what some people are actually happening in georgia, and you also look at what's happening in states like arizona, it is problematic long-term. look, ohio right now is a toss- toss-up. i would argue that ohio from an electoral standpoint would look a lot like america of the past. if you're looking forward in this country, and again, i mean, i'm not a partisan hack here, but if you're looking forward here in this country, and you're looking at the emerging electorate, it looks like what's happening in north carolina, looks like what's happening in virginia, and it looks like what's happening in places in arizona and georgia where republicans are struggling and they shouldn't be. >> cornell belcher, thank you very much. ann selzer, thank you very much.

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check out bloombergpolitics.com and that great piece by josh green on what trump's going to do next. until tomorrow, for me and my friend, mark halperin, we say sayonara. >> coming up, "hardball" with chris matthews. >> michelle obama makes her case against donald trump. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. just two words showcase today's campaign story. michelle bobama. what she said about donald trump is the headline and the story of what she had to say promises, as we say in the news business, to have legs. it's going to go on. michelle was the undeniable star this thursday, october 13th. she told a crowd in new hampshire that she was shaken to the core by what