presidential nominee donald j. trump and i encourage you to vote for him on november 8th. as the allegations of sexual misconduct pile up, my conscience will not allow me to support the man i plan to vote for. several people have all condemndorsed over the last several days. "with all due respect" starts right now. i'm jennifer jacobs. >> and i'm mike heilemann. the whole time, this real threat to america was carlos slim? this already unprecedented week in presidential politics today reached new heights of drama and denial. two more women are alleging in stomach-churning detail that donald trump sexually assaulted them years ago. "the washington post" was out first today, publishing an account this morning from a woman named kristen anderson,

who claims in vivid description that trump groped her at a new york nightclub decades ago. she explained her decision to come forward after the "access hollywood" video emerged. >> i was just like, wow! wow. that explains it. that explains what happened to me. in the early '90s, i was in new york city. and i was at a club with my friends. i'm very clear on this. this is the vivid part for me. so the person on my right who unbeknownst to me at that time was donald trump put their hand up my skirt. he did touch me vagina through my underwear. absolutely. and as i pushed the hand away, and i got up and i turned around and i see these eyebrows, very distinct eyebrows of donald trump. and i got up and i moved and i continued to talk with my

friends. and they said, oh, that's donald trump. i was like, ew, he's gross. he just put his hand up my skirt, that's not okay. and we all sort of brushed it off and moved on. >> after that, this afternoon, another woman named summer sirvos, who was a attendant on donald trump's program, "the apprentice," held a press conference along with her very high-profile attorney, gloria allred. she said trump made sexually aggressive advances on her at a beverly hills hotel in 2007. here's how she recalled the encounter when at one point she says trump started kissing her without her consent. >> i pushed his chest, put space between us, and i said, come on, man, get real. he repeated my words back to me. get real, as he began thrusting his genitals. >> trump continues to strongly deny the many accusations of predatory behavior leveled against him by an array of women. he did so again today in his now-familiar style at a rally in greensboro, north carolina. >> right now, i am being

viciously attacked with lies and smears. it's a phony deal. i have no idea who these women are. i have no idea. when you looked at that horrible woman last night, you said, i don't think so! and eyewitnesss already debunked the "people" magazine story. she is a liar. she's writing a story -- check out her facebook page. you'll understand. no witnesses, no backup, no anything else. somebody makes an accusation that you did something and you weren't there -- you don't -- you never saw this person before, it's a lie. a total lie, it's fabrication. sometimes they do it for fame, maybe they get money, who knows. i was with donald trump in 1980. i was sitting with him on an airplane. and he went after me on the plane. yeah, i'm going to go after -- believe me. she would not be my first choice, that i can tell you.

obama is an incompetent. he is an incompetent president. he's talking about me like he knows me. i don't know him, he doesn't know me. and why doesn't some woman maybe come up and say what they say falsely about me, they could say about him. >> even if there are no new accusers against trump, this story is not going away anytime soon. a suggestion from trump's running mate this morning, mike pence, saided that evidence undermining the allegations would be forthcoming today. none as materialized. trump has said nothing backing up this was a conspiracy, that the women are getting paid, or undermining any key aspect of their story. fortunate to be with us today, jennifer jacobs. jennifer, as we sit here today, the trump campaign hasn't really offered anything specific that would undermine any of the accounts. where does the campaign stand in

dealing with this issue? >> all we have is donald trump's word and he went very aggressive after this. he had this whole battery of arguments, they're after free fame, they're after money, this is all fiction. he basically said, these women are two unattractive for him to make sexual advances upon. i mean, he just adamantly denied this. and i think that's probably enough for his supporters. they're willing to believe him. they trust him at this point. there's very little that could shake their confidence in him. as far as what further proof, if there is further proof coming, you would think that they would want to put it out very quickly. >> mike pence is a pretty careful guy. the only way they could have proof undermining the whole thing is if they somehow found a clinton campaign memo coordinating the whole thing and scripting it. i doubt that's going to happen. no one has found any connection between these women and politics, except for the fact that some of them say they're hillary clinton supporters, not all. this morning, donald trump and mike pence suggested, there's evidence we'll put out, but now there's two new accusers. they don't have any evidence, so far, on them, and the woman

accusing him from "the apprentice" is someone he does. this notion that these accusers are someone who are new to him, he's going to have to confront that. do they know the facts? are they trying to get facts or simply will parrot -- when he says this is false, they'll just parrot that? >> there's no plan i've been able to determine that they have at this point, other than just keep denying, denying, denying. >> another thing that fascinates me, trump said, my campaign doesn't want me to talk about this, but i'm going to go ahead and talk about it. it's interesting, if he didn't talk about it, if he didn't lash out at them. of course, we saw this with the khans and judge curiel, we saw this with other people he's attacked, he's driving this story. i don't doubt that these new accusers would get some attention in the press. and we would say, donald trump like everyone else in america is entitled to the presumption of innocence. but these are people making credible claims with no obvious motive. many of whom have told people

contemporaneously. their accounts would get attention, but they're going to get a whole lot more attention, not just today, but into the weekend, because he's responding. >> but i can't underscore enough how much his supporters distrust the mainstream media, as reporters were, you know, coming into cincinnati, last night, they were being booed tremendously. and it doesn't help that, you know, the wikileaks dump includes evidence or what they perceive of evidence as friendly behavior between reporters and the clinton campaign. >> i spoke to people this week who said, including women, who said some combination of saying, these people are lying, or, i don't really care what he did. that's what men do. i agree it's hard-core supporters like that. but number one, he needs more than his hard-core supporters to win. number two, i don't need polling to know that there are some people that are going to be turned off by this. that there are some people who were thinking of voting for donald trump who won't be voting for him. they won't be going to the

rallies, but the way he's handling this, disparaging the women, i've never seen anything like this in my career in politics, to go out, knowingly, i mean, he clearly thinks in advance how he's going to handle it. >> i did interview some republican women today and said, what are you thinking about this and how can you continue to believe him and they said, listen, we're just tired about all of this. we don't want to hear anything further about it. we've moved on. this is the nominee. this is the man that the party gave us. so we're still going to vote for him, even though, yes, this stuff is disgusting, we just don't even want to hear about it anymore. >> there'll be some of that, but i'll say again, like, it is -- it is the case that let's say one of these people turns out to have made up their story. almost all of them, i think to the normal person watching their accounts or reading their accounts, watching the ones who have been on tv, they come across as people who don't have an ax to grind. they don't come across as people eager to do this, to the contrary, and he's yet to do

anything. we'll wait for mike pence's evidence, he has yet to do anything to undermine their argument. another part of donald trump's plan to fight back against these allegations is continue to attack and escalate attacks against "the new york times." "the times" published one of the first stories making accusations against donald trump, two women coming forward on wednesday. today at that same rally in north carolina, trump leveled a new attack on the gray lady, claiming there's a role for mexican billionaire carlos slim, who's both a major shareholder to "the new york times" and the clinton foundation. >> no paper is more corrupt than the failing "new york times." the good news, it is failing, it won't be around too much longer. but they are really, really bad people. the largest shareholder in "the times" is carlos slim. now, carlos slim, as you know, comes from mexico. he's given many millions of dollars to the clintons and their initiatives. so carlos slim, largest donor of the paper for mexico.

roe reporters at "the new york times," they're not journalists, they're corporate lobbyists for carlos slim and for hillary clinton. we're going to let foreign corporations and their ceos decide the outcomes of -- you just can't do this. >> "the times," of course, has dismissed trump's attack yesterday. they did again today. his latest attack on carlos slim. a spokesperson for the paper said that slim doesn't -- a spoke person for slim said, also, that he doesn't get involved in politics in the mexico, in the u.s., or anywhere else. so, jennifer, we both, i think, fair to say, pretty skeptical of how he's handling the attacks on the women themselves. how is this attack on "the new york times" likely to play? >> i guess it's probably more surprising that he hasn't brought up this carlos slim earlier. it fits very well into his whole theme about conspiracy theories and people are out to get him. >> and a dangerous mexican trying to ruin the united states. >> exactly. and he has a lot of cartoon villains or maybe real villains, international elites. and the clinton campaign, the

media. it fits into his whole narrative of all of these people. and he actually brought up today the idea, he revived the whole rigged election theme. he is very much trying to deflect -- and if he does lose this race, he's going to blaming so many different people. it's already beginning. >> this comes right out of -- if not from steve bannon himself, this is right out of breitbart, this notion that big media is part of a major conspiracy. and it's a critique that will rile people up. there's no better way to rile up people at the rallies and his core supporters going after "the new york times." this argument is at least a little bit safer. there are some things here that could work. it's worked for republicans in the past. it's saufer than attacking the women, as far as i'm concerned. but there is that old saying, don't attack people who buy ink by the barrel. and i don't think "the new york times" is cheerleading for donald trump, but reporters are going to rally a little bit behind him. and it is the case, i know he thinks it's unfair, but it is the case, the press is cheering for hillary clinton right now, for the most part, and this is only going to exacerbate that. it's going to make it harder for

him to get favorable news coverage. >> do you think his supporters know who some of these people are. he's not very good at -- >> it's one of his biggest weaknesses as a candidate. he has a thing in his head, he doesn't explain it. he doesn't quite encapsulate it. all right. let's go back to just one week ago, that's when trump's "access hollywood" videotape came out. at that point, many republicans over last weekend started to abandon trump, either saying that he shouldn't be the nominee, or saying they weren't going to support him anymore. flash forward, though, some of the defectors last week re-fected. and despite the allegations from last week, the dis-endorsements from gop officials have basically halted. there haven't been any over the last several days despite all these new accusations. speaker ryan, paul ryan, who did in the wake of the debate, criticize trump and say he was no longer going to campaign for him or work for him, gave a major speech in wisconsin today, but he didn't even mention donald trump. he talked about policy.

so as the weekends, jennifer whereby where does donald trump stand vis-a-vis his adopted republican party. >> he has gone full circle back to where he started in the beginning of this campaign, which is where he's being rejected and disavowed or criticized by so many in the leadership. and i've talked to his campaign aides about this. they do not care. they have no concern about this whatsoever. they've dealt with this before. they've dealt with naysayers before. he's got four campaign aides who have been with him since the beginning, and they've told me they've heard this over and over and over again that donald trump has no chance. they've heard these same criticisms from these gop leaders over and over again and they just disregard it. >> "the new york times" story today talks about how some leaders have banned donald trump and the gop party, because they're horrified about what's happened this week, but he doesn't need that money. the rnc itself is still very much for him. and i think he's got them cowed. . the fact that, you know, a handful have unendorsed him over the weekend based on the "access hollywood" tape, and then during

the week, as these allegations came out, a few people reendorsed him, said they were going to vote for him. we don't have a single republican in the wake of these charges who has said, i'm withdrawing my support. they are cowed, because the few last weekend heard from their constituents. a lot are said to have regretted it. and some of them publicly made it clear they regretted it. he has the party afraid to cross him, in some ways now, he can beat them up, and they're going to say, yes, sir, may i please have another, and he has them cowed because he's the biggest force in republican politics. >> and we're not hearing that any major donors have asked for their money back, necessarily. some of these donors hadn't donated for at least an election cycle, but we're not hearing that anyone is saying, this has disgusted us, however, the trump campaign aides i've talked to say, we're waiting to see how this plays out. >> i don't think anybody knows how the latest allegations are going to play, but it is going to continue. taking a break now, when we

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as donald trump continues to fight accusations of sexual assault, his opponent, hillary clinton, has been pretty much laying low. she's got to public events currently scheduled between now and the final presidential debate next wednesday in vegas. instead, she's been dispatching some pretty high-profile democrats on her behalf. michelle obama, of course, gave that speech in new hampshire yesterday that people are still talking about. today, president obama took the main stage in cleveland, ohio, where he took on donald trump pretty directly. hillary clinton did one interview today, it was not with a journalist, but with ellen degeneres. in that, clinton encouraged voters no t to count trump down and out. >> well, obviously, there's a lot that is coming out, which is

distressing, on many levels, but i don't want anybody to think this election is over, because it's, so unpredictable up till now that i'm not taking anything for granted. we've got to work really hard to -- for the next 3 1/2 weeks, because who knows, who knows what can happen. so everybody who's watching and everybody who has followed this election, please, turn out and vote. >> jennifer, it's not just hillary clinton. her surrogates don't want to go out there. there are only two stories the media's interested in right now. wikileaks and donald trump's -- the accusations against donald trump. the clinton campaign doesn't want to play in either of those, so they're just staying out of it, completely, for the foreseeable future. >> and trump is filling that void beautifully. but one thing that people argue about hillary clinton is she's not necessarily great about defending herself on controversial questions. so he's deflecting this. but one of the risks of not going and doing interviews right now or coming o oe ining out an about this, is that she's maybe building up some pent-up demand

that will have to be released during the debate. chris wallace will have to ask her some of these questions. >> there's no question that chris wallace will have to ask her about wooexz. but she can spend some time preparing. obamas have done incredible jobs as surrogates. this allows her to basically raise money. she's at the very end of her fund-raising for this campaign. and prepare for the debate and not have to worry about doing big rars that are a strain on the schedule and tire her out. they are going to stay out of this. you're not going to see a lot of clinton surrogates out and about. they're happy to leave the field right now to donald j. trump. coming up, we're going to talk to the lawyer of one woman who's accused donald trump of harassment. it happened two decades ago, allegedly. we'll be right back. ♪ using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the framework... wire... and plants needed to give my shop... a face... no one will forget.

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wanted to talk about sexual assault allegations against donald trump. my client, jill harth, filed a case against him back in 1997. so to all of those who say, why don't women do something at the time? well, jill harth did. she certainly has felt vindicated by the tape that was released, where he's bragging about sexual assault. and both she and i appreciate all the women who are coming forward now and speaking out. >> lisa, one of the factors in all of these cases is people are going to look at and say, are there mitigating things that might undermine their story. your client, after the alleged events, went on to date donald trump. is that kind of factor, do you think, something that donald trump could point to, not just in your client's case, but in the case of these other women. in other words, other factors that say, look, this undermines their story. >> this is a story that expanse spans 24 years, so it's brief to tell in a brief three-minute

cable news segment. but she was sexually abused by him, a corroborating witness, a man who is now his ex-husband, and has gave us a declaration under oath that she told him about it at the time and he was present for some of it. he filed a business case against donald trump in about 1994. that case dragged on. jill harth added her sexual harassment claim in 1997. donald trump then came to the bargaining table three weeks later and said, oh, i think i want to settle these cases. and settled both of them. a year later, donald trump said he wanted to invite them to his home, mar-a-lago, let bygones be bygones, they were surprised, but donald trump behaved very nicely. was very appropriate with her and her husband, said, let's bury the hatchet. she said, great, let's do that, let's go forward. and for 19 years, they had a cordial relationship. and that's the way it was. she said, i'm a christian and i forgave him. so, yes, when she and her husband got divorced and donald trump invited her up to a party, she went to the party. it was a very, very brief -- if you want to call it dating, it

was a very, very brief date thing and she said he was very disappointing and not for her. >> so lisa, talk a little bit about statutes of limitation. would you have any expectations in some of these others cases that the local prosecutor would bring forth charges and how would that affect donald trump if they did? >> we've learned from the bill cosby case that the statutes of limitations are very, very short. and the time that most women come forward is often many times later. so i have another woman that i'm speaking to, who is also a trump accuser. it's also more than 20 years ago. so there's no criminal statute of limitations that's going to help her. there's no civil statute of limitations. and i don't know any accusers, honestly, who want to sue donald trump now. they seem to be motivated now to come forward because he said to anderson cooper in the last debate that he had not groped anyone. and for many women, that's the breaking point and they're calling me now and saying, you know what, now it's time for me to speak out. >> what's the -- what's the calculus for some of the women

who are hesitant to come forward? what would it take to get them to actually come and be public at this point? >> the catch is fear. most sexual assault victims are afraid to confront their perpetrator in general. add to that, we're talking about donald trump, an extremely wealthy, powerful man, who lashes out at people who speak out against him, at his rallies, he's got millions of followers, some of whom have been violent to those who oppose him. people don't want to be in the media glare. they're not like you and me who are comfortable talking on camera. they just want to live their lives. so i spend many hours and hours talking to women and i have over the last week who are really scared. and i have to tell them, yes, these things could happen to you. you'll probably be vilified on social media. can you handle that? on the other hand, once you walk through the fire, you can feel very empowered. and to all of the victims i've represented in high-profile cases, they stand taller afterwards, feel very good about speaking your truth. what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. >> lisa, i take your point about

this being a limited segment. we have less than 30 seconds to go. totally appreciate you coming on. i want to ask you how you feel about the way trump is fighting back against these allegations? >> i think it's shameful. he's not addressing any of them. you know, this is a man who confessed on tape, he bragged about sexual assault. why doesn't he come clean and admit he made some mistakes and apologize to people? >> lisa bloom, thank you very much, appreciate it. >> thank you. >> appreciate having you on. all right, when we come back, we're going to talk more about the latest allegations of donald trump. i'll talk to a political strategist who handles his share of top situations and see what he says about how the trump campaign is handling it and what they might do differently in the coming days. more on that and what's going on on the trump trail, right after this. experience the thrill of the lexus is f sport. because the ultimate expression of power, is control. this is the pursuit of perfection.

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welcome back. joining us now, jeff rowe, former campaign manager for ted cruz, a veteran of a lot of presidential and other

campaigns. he's out in houston, texas. jeff, welcome. i want to talk about the human aspects of this as well as the -- the sort of inside politics of it. say you're the campaign manager for donald trump and an accusation comes up and he says, jeff, this thing's just false. are you comfortable, without knowing whether it's true or false, saying then to your spokespeople and surrogates, everyone go out and say it's false, or would you want to figure out for yourself whether it's true or false? >> i would probably pull him into a dark room and have a real serious conversation, but that's all you have to go to by. and, you know, you can only take their word. and after being in a campaign for a couple of years together, you really know if they're shading the truth or not. but that's really all you have to go by. so i would have a very serious, private conversation. and then let them know that if this isn't exactly the truth, that we can't be caught, so let's defend what we can defend and not go any further than that >> i want to get you on the record on two things, just as our conversation continues so the viewers know where you stand. first of all, are you supporting mr. trump for president?

>> i am. >> okay. you've, i'm sure, are familiar with at least some of the allegations and some of the accounts these women have given. do you find them credible, not credible, or don't know? >> i think -- i think they're credible enough that they need to be handled, pivoted, and get away from them. i mean, when you wake up in a presidential campaign every day, you get to decide what your message is. and you don't get to decide what the press will cover or what your opponent will say, but you do decide what you're going to say that day. and for them to spend so much time -- they needed to handle the "access hollywood" -- i frankly think the debate gave them an opportunity to do so. he had not had an opportunity to address that until the debate. so he got to tell 80 million people all at once what his answer was, and that was fine. these allegations, you need to pivot and get back. we have 76% of the people in the country that want change. hillary represents change. and for them to spend day after

day after day, not really them as much as him, the principle, to continue to litigate this, in front of millions of people, as people are actually voting. he's a vessel for the party at this point, whether anyone likes it or not. for him to spend that much time litigating these criticisms and charges is not the right way to go. he needs to address it and then pivot and get to his message, which actually, frankly, is a winning message. >> jeff, whdo you make about so of the vulgar sayings we're saying at the trump rallies, like, "trump, talk dirty to me," or "trump, grab me here," with an arrow pointing to their legs. yelling at the press, on t-shirts and signs. what do you make that whole idea of them really using this vulgar language? >> it's rough stuff, to be sure.

you don't control everybody at your rallies, but it's disappointing to see. but i think it's because the topics have gotten to disappointing to see. and it's because they believe -- let's put yourself in mr. trump's shoes for a second and hi supporters' shoes. if this isn't true, imagine how angry you would be, if there's absolutely no shred of any truth to this. imagine the anger that you would have. so to a certain point, they're getting whipped up and fst sister sure a little bit out of control. but he's got motivation among some folks that have not been participants in the political process before. they've never been to a rally. some of them have not even votes before, or infrequently vote, at least. and so i think you're seeing a lot of passions that run very high. i mean, right now in this moment, somewhere in this country, somebody is probably getting pushed or shoved or hit in a debate over who they're going to vote for in this campaign. i was just at an event not long ago where we were sitting around a bonfire and a wonderful scene, two people had no idea about each other, both talking about the presidential in their own

little groups, and the guy reached over to the lady and said, you're a bigot for supporting donald trump, and that enflamed tensions and alcohol was involved, but people are whipped up. and that's the way presidential campaigns get. i think we're seeing it on a new scale now. >> jeff, let's go back to the way the campaign is handling it. let's say you're donald trump's campaign manager and you say, these allegations are false. we need to undermine their accounts. at this point in the campaign, what do you do? do you have their opposition research department look in their backgrounds, hire private detectives, what do you do to try to undermine their accounts or their credibility? if that's what donald trump seems to want to do. >> we'll have a secret weapon, a maybe not so secret weapon, but they have melania, his wife. they have ivanka, his daughter. they have tiffany, his daughter. in a way, they even have his sons. during the republican convention, that was -- what i took away from that convention and what actually hillary, i think, mistakenly so, when they said, say one good thing about each other, when she talked about what a role model he was for his kids. well, let's take that.

use that. i don't think you can -- >> but i understand -- and maybe they will come out, although i think most of the public comments they've made haven't been particularly helpful. i'm asking about this claim that mike pence made this morning that donald trump made yesterday, that they're going to have information that undermines the accounts of some of the accusers. if donald trump wants that information, how do you get it, at this point in the campaign? private detectives? >> you can't. >> google? >> i mean, you can, but i don't think that's -- that's not what you would do. i mean, you would certainly spend a little bit of time doing that, just to see if they're on the payroll or if they have a history of doing this. you would want to know immediately. so walk through the kind of technical process when that happens. like, for instance, when it was discovered that ted cruz's father, you know, participated in the jfk assassination, you spend a little time to see where he was at that period of time. you absolutely need to know all the facts as a campaign, not just through the principle's eyes. and then if there's something aggressively apparent that you can use to dispute this, then

you can use it. if they weren't in the same area, if he wasn't on a flight, just take the facts. but if there are no facts, if it's he said/she said, you get away from it and handle it optically. you get away from it, handle it, make a statement, could be on camera, and then get away from it. >> i want to make sure we're not leaving a little bit of news on the floor. you're just saying that when the allegation was raised that ted cruz's father might have been involved in the kennedy assassination, you looked into it to make sure that it wasn't true? >> sure, you called raphael and see if he knew lee harvey oswald. you figure out what the truths are. >> what did he say when you asked him? >> well, we can't discuss that on open air. no, so, he said, no. but you do -- you have a team of people, that are research folks in a presidential campaign whereby that are rapid response and they're paying attention and get it to the research department, and the research department spend some time doing it, they typically in a very

aggressive tone get the information. and you move. you don't let this define the candidacy. >> jeff, do you think it's a good idea for hillary clinton to be laying low and not having any events until the debate? >> this prevent defense that she's conducted since -- i guess since the khan event, i think it's a real mistake. i mean, you can't beat somebody for president in july in august, but the fact that donald trump is having more events per day and more rallies and media avails in a day than their entire ticket has in a day, i feel, is mistaken. they have a -- you want to have, at this point, everybody drops the pretenses of trying to reach across the aisle and do all the things that campaigns tend to do for a certain amount of time. we're a little over three weeks out. you now need to be motivatinging your base. you can actually increase the data that we have, and this is well-documented, peer-reviewed academic research, shows you can get two points out of a visit. that's why we travel in a

presidential campaign. you can get up to four points, depending on how the local press coverage goes and how directly you enganl them. and for her to be off the peeld, i think they have this idea that when your opponent is slitting his throat, don't take away the knife. i think that's their approach. i think it's a mistake. she needs energy. she needs excitement. she needs passion. and they just don't have it. and i don't understand -- i mean, i'm happy for it, but i don't the prevent defense approach they've put on for so many months. i don't know if they don't want to talk about wikileaks or they don't have anything to say, but the way they're conducting a campaign is not a way to put a candidate away, in a week that they've just had, she should be everywhere this week, pressing the case. not just using surrogates. and mrs. obama did a great job yesterday, pressing the case, but it needs to be from the candidate. that's a rallying cry for her own voters. >> jeff roe, thank you so much for joining us. we'll have you back again soon. appreciate it. we're going to talk about

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this is the pursuit of perfection. we are joined now by bloomberg politics reporter, kapur. even if clinton defeats trump by a wide margin, the house and senate may not change hands. a lot of democrats are trying to say oerz, but if you look at the polling data and the bodiage love democrats, the house looks

pretty safe and the senate's an open question. >> that's absolutely right. i think both houses theoretically can be in play if there's a wave that materializes in the last few weeks. but republicans in the senate have taken the step of differentiating themselves from trump, even if they technically are supporting him. they're running on their own profiles, folks like kelly ayotte in new hampshire, pat toomey in pennsylvania. they're not trying to ride on the coattails of the top of the ticket, and that's probably a smart move if you look at it right now. >> including not campaigning with him. when he comes to their state, they're busy that day. >> as a result, they're running well ahead of him. even someone like richard burr is running ahead in north carolina, even when trump is a little bit ahead, little bit behind in the polls. in the house, it's more complicated for democrats. republicans had the deck stacked in their favor because of geographical advantages and redistricting. what democrats need to do there is very, very tormenting when you think about it. they need to win 190 seats that

leaned in their direction. they need to win all 17 toss-ups. and then they need to win 11 of 12 races that lean republican, and republicans are up 10 to 15 points in those. they need something like a miracle. >> or a wave, which ewe've seen in the past. >> right. >> that's a lot of trouble for democrats. can democrats pull that off? what's their path? is there any way for them to succeed? >> what they need to do is reduce trump's margin with hard-corey republichard hard-core republicans. these are dark red districts where republicans tend to be safe. and what trump has done in the last couple of weeks, even as he's been sinking in the polls in other demographics, he's doing very well are republicans. he's up somewhere, 85 to 90%. i think the path for democrats involves a wave that cuts into his support, not only with these other demographics, but traditionally republican-leaning voters. >> the biggest success story is with rob portman, the incumbent

from ohio. who's running well ahead of trump. >> he's run a very good campaign. he's run from the start, not trying to be, you know, not trying to be flashy one way or another, in favor of trump or against trump but he's kind of hunkered down and done all the righ right things you do. >> sahil, thank you. up next, things are getting nasty out on the campaign trail. we'll talk about it with two reporters who go out on the trail, right after this. in reality they're not. if a denture were to be put under a microscope, we can see all the bacteria that still exists on the denture, and that bacteria multiplies very rapidly. that's why dentists recommend cleaning with polident everyday. polident's unique micro clean formula works in just 3 minutes, killing 99.99% of odor causing bacteria. for a cleaner, fresher, brighter denture every day.

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joinings us now from the tar he'll state in charlotte qub katy tur, who covers donald trump, and here with us in the nation's capital, in studio, mark liebowitz, chief national correspondent for "the new york times" magazine. indica indica katy, i love your macro 40,000

feet sense of how the trump campaign and donald trump himself is handling the new allegations today. >> the did promise evidence that would dispute these allegations yesterday and governor pence promised that evidence this morning. but so far, we have yet to see any concrete evidence that shows that donald trump did not do the things that these multiple women now are accusing him of doing. instead today, he got on stage in greensboro, north carolina, and we'll see if he does this in charlotte in a few minutes, and he basically pointed to a plot against him, i guess you could call it, between the media, the clintons, and a mexican billionaire named carlos slim, who is a minority shareholder in "the new york times." he called him a majority shareholder. he is not. but he does own quite a bit -- a large stake, in terms -- in comparison to the other shareholders, minus the salzberger family. but basically saying this mexican billionaire is somehow

influencing what the reporters are reporting on and suggesting negative headlines against donald trump in order to get back on him, it's unclear what. so he's continuing on this conspiracy track that we've seen him put forth the past couple of days, saying that there's this global system in place, shadowy global system in place that's trying to tear him down, so he can't affect the change that he wants to affect if he were the president. that involves the media, it involves banks, it involves the clintons. and it borders, pretty closely, according to the anti-defamation league, on anti-semitic tropes. and they cautioned him against going further with that. but donald trump, so far, has not offered anything besides that, as irrefutable evidence that he is innocent in any of these cases. >> mark, two-part question. one, what do you make of the way trump is handling these

allegations? and when carlos slim wants you to sell a story, how does he communicate that to you? >> billionaire/assignment editor. he's probably better paid than the other ones. but he actually owns larry king tv's network, also. if you're going to blame larry king for going on russian tv -- anyway, it's very muddled. >> what's your overall sense of how trump is dealing with these allegations? >> he's litigating it very, very specifically. you could argue that he could make some sort of blanket denial. there is an argument you can make in his case, how do you prove a negative over and over and over again. you could just say, i don't -- this didn't happen, this is a long time ago, this is about the economy, this is about hillary clinton, and pivot to there. i don't rae know what he gains by just sort of getting up there and doing what he's doing. but it's an interesting strategy. very quintessential trump, i would say. >> you recently spent a lot of time with hillary clinton. what are your thoughts about her health? is there any reason for voters to be worried at this point? did you see any evidence of any

sort of concern at this point? >> i didn't see any. i didn't examine her. >> did you arm wrestle? >> we did not arm wrestle. she seemed fine, but worn down. i think she's still getting over pneumonia, it's been a very tough campaign, i think for everyone. but she seemed okay. one of the interesting things about running against trump for her is it's allowed her in a way to hide, which is not -- not hide, but i mean, he has monopolized so much of the spotlight, so much of the oxygen in this race has been given over to him. i think, no matter who wins, it will be remembered as the donald trump campaign, just because he has defined so much of it. and in a way that she's sort of been in the shadows of all of this. >> katy, i want to ask you about wikileaks. is the trump campaign or trump himself pushing any particular aspect of what's in the latest batch of disclosures from john podesta's e-mail inbox? >> you know, i have not been able to get further on that angle, as of now, today, john. i did not hear the entirety of donald trump's greensboro

speech, because i was doing a few other things. but they are trying to seize upon wikileaks as much as they possibly can. i do know that. they've been trying to get trump to hit on it, as much as he can, during these rallies. because they think that it's an effective message for them, one of their most effective messages, that hillary clinton is not working for the american public, but is working for herself. and there is something, shady going on behind the scenes. i'm sorry, it is so loud in here, it's hard for me to keep my thoughts straight right now. but basically, they're trying to paint hillary clinton as somebody who is not trustworthy, who's working for herself, not working for the american public. and they're hoping that these e-mails can prove that, that she in some way rigged the election, so she could take it away from bernie sanders, that sort of thing. and so if there is any evidence that comes to light in this wikileaks hack, they're going to try to use it as much as they can. the issue is, can they keep their candidate on that message? he is known to go off script quite a bit, go off prompter

quite a bit, and he has been pretty dogged down with trying to refute these allegations, going offscript to not only deny them, but insult his accusers, by saying that he doesn't think that some of them -- that they don't look like the type of people that held do that to, i guess, is what he said earlier in greensboro. >> you're one of the few reporters i know who's been able to spend time with hillary clinton, lately. your time with her was how long? >> about two weeks ago? it was a few days before the "access hollywood" thing. >> and you spent time with her over the years. how does she seem to you in terms of her mood? i know she said some sassy things about how she wasn't going to lose. does she seem in a confident place genuinely, or for show? >> it's always for show. they're a very worried campaign, as you should be, this stage of the game. i think like a lot of people in both parties, they don't -- you know, they don't quite know what they're dealing with here. there's a playback to running against a moiitt romney or a jo mccain or a george w. bush.

whether she wins, it's a very wearying experience, it's a sad experience. it's no fun to have your husband's accusers from how many years ago trotted out to a debate stage. it's new uncharted territory. >> what surprised you most when you were spending that much time with her? was there anything that she said or did that startled or surprised you? >> i think what was clear up close is her contempt for donald trump is even more palpable than it is on a debate stage or than it is in a speech. she is quick sickened by the race that he's running and some of the things he's been doing and saying about her. that was pretty clear. again, this was a few days before the second debate and the "access hollywood" stuff. but i don't think i was surprised by that, but i don't think -- she's usually a better poker player than that. she's usually a little bit better at hiding her emotions on those things. >> so it's been an eventful seven days, since the "access hollywood" tapes.

the debate's next wednesday. what's something you're looking at between now and the debate to see what develops? >> you have these competing drum beats, wikileaks on one side, the drip, drip, drip of allegations on the other side, women coming forward. i think the wikileaks narrative is potentially very effective for donald trump, because it makes a case that this is a politician. i am not a politician. yes, i say some things that are, maybe troubling to people, but this is not who i've been for a long time. she's been this politics for however many years. and this shows how she is not on your side. she is working for the -- any number of people who were in on the conspiracy, whether it's, you know, the media or carlos slim, the debate moderators. >> take your point, it's not just did he say things, but do things? that's going to be adjudicated. >> katy, thank you to listening to us along with donald trump's sound track, which with you are hauntingly familiar. we'll be right back with more

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anytime on any device, check out bloombergpolitics.com for more coverage on this wild race. thanks for watching. coming up, "hardball" with chris matthews. trump to obama, watch out! let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. well, tonight, donald trump's facing multiple public allegations of sexual misconduct. some of which go back decades. and if response, trump is saying that his accusers, along with his political rivals and the media, are part of a conspiracy against him and his supporters. well, today, two more women have come forward with accounts of trump's sexual advances. in a press conference