good morning, everyone. i'm alex witt in new york. it is 9:00 a.m. here in the east. 6:00 a.m. out west. here's what's happening. new polls out this hour, there are some telling numbers that give a sense of how the campaign may be turning. >> we're like athletes. right. so athletes, making it more and more, but athletes, they make them take a drug test. >> donald trump comparing himself and hillary clinton to athletes. we'll look at what exactly he means by that. plus, a new batch of wikileaks e-mails offering some possible insight into the clinton campaign operation. and "saturday night live" with new digs at the campaign, the

last debate in particular, all that on msnbc, "the place for politics." >> we begin with those brand-new national polls showing the state of the presidential race just a little more than three weeks now before election day. the nbc/wall street journal poll shows hillary clinton with an 11 point lead, 48 to 37, while the abc news/washington post poll shows it 47/43. both polls were taken amid controversies for both candidates. wikileaks releasing e-mails reportedly from clinton and her campaign, and allegations of sexual misconduct against trump. here is what rudy giuliani told willie geist this morning about the allegations. >> what you're saying is there are nine women, and i don't believe any of them. >> i find that they all fit a pattern and i find they all come 27 days before an election. and i know how the clintons

conduct an election. and they conducted an election about as dirty as it gets. and i find it impossible that people remember 30 years ago, 20 years ago, eight -- come forward now right at the very end to push these things. i find these hard to believe. does he talk like a guy sometimes when you're hanging around and telling jokes and stuff like that? sure. but does he act like a gentleman? absolutely. >> meanwhile, vice president joe biden is weighing in whether former president bill clinton's past sexual misconduct should matter. here is what he told chuck todd in an interview airing on "meet the press" this morning. >> no, it shouldn't matter. i can't make any excuse for bill clinton's conduct. and i wouldn't attempt to make any excuses for the conduct. but he paid a price for it. he paid a price. he was impeached. >> and as trump and clinton prepare to go face to face one last time on wednesday, trump is now suggesting she's doing drugs. here is what he told a group of

supporters in new hampshire at a speech meant to highlight the state's drug problem. >> i think she's actually getting pumped up, you want to know -- she's getting pumped, you understand. we should take a drug test prior, because i don't know what's going on with her. at the beginning of her last debate, she was all pumped up at the beginning. and at the end it was, like, oh, take me down. she could barely reach her car. >> nbc's hallie jackson is following the trump campaign from washington, d.c. good sunday morning to you. what trump said there, do you think he got off script when he made that comment? >> well, listen, he was in new hampshire outlining his new drug policy. that's the context of which those remarks were made, remarks we should note have no evidence backing them, of course. trump, i'm told, by a source close to the campaign, the motto is keep fighting mud with mud. we talked about the idea of

going nuclear. the strategy according to this source is to basically try to depress turnout now to those voters who might otherwise go for hillary clinton. through it all, trump is continuing to push this line, as you noted, about a rigged election now saying this morning that apparently even "snl" is in on that. this argument is one that his democratic rivals and even some republicans argue is dangerous to democracy. with the republican hindu coalition. >> i'm a big fan of hindu and i'm a big fan of india. >> donald trump lighting a good luck candle, but his more inflammatory moments came hours earlier. >> rigged. >> rigged. >> rigged. >> rigged. >> rigged. >> trump's latest line, perhaps laying the ground work for a potential loss. house speaker paul ryan immediately pushing back, quote, our democracy relies on confidence in election results, and the speaker is fully confident the states will carry

out this election with integrity. trump's opponents blasting him for trying to undermine the election. >> now he thinks he's going to lose he's going around and saying, oh, the whole thing is rigged. it is just rigged against me. poor me. the guy is just a bully. >> another attack, trump without evidence, accusing clinton of being on drugs at the last debate. >> she was all pumped up at the beginning. i think we should take a drug test. anyway, i'm willing to do it. >> all of it as yet another woman comes forward accusing trump of kissing her without permission at mar-a-lago in the late '90s, an allegation that nbc has not independently var fide and one that trump's campaign calls a bogus campaign adding anyone covering this story should be embarrassed. trump tried to pivot away from his own controversy, by pointing to bill clinton's accusers. now, hacked e-mails released by wikileaks show hillary clinton's campaign moving to gather

information to try and disprove juanita broderick after she tweeted earlier this year about her accusation the former president raped her in the '70s, an allegation bill clinton has denied. the stolen e-mails, which the clinton campaign hasn't authenticated, give new insight into how the campaign prepared for something it didn't address publicly until recently. when trump brought broaddrick back into the spotlight. and also in that wikileaks release, alex, what is purported to be the full transcripts of the goldman sachs speeches that clinton gave speeches. by the way that bernie sanders called on to release during the primaries. it shows clinton's relationship with big bank executives and shows her describing wall street as the spinal column of the economy. all of it, by the way, as we look the our brand-new poll that you mentioned at the top of the hour, just out, that 11 point lead for clinton potentially significant nationally when you look at where other candidates

and campaigns in the past have been in 2008, to 20 12, when it comes to their victories over their opponents. >> donald trump enjoyed citing polls he reads in his favor and he hasn't done so a lot. i'm curious, your sense of inside the campaign, what is going on, how are they feeling? >> i think the -- we said this word before, i think it sums up the mood in the campaign, and that is defiant essentially. not conceding a loss, despite trailing in all of these polls, despite peeling support from republicans inside the establishment, trump is energized by the crowd that he sees at his rallies, his campaign believes that is something they can try to capitalize on and in doing so, try to keep people away from the polls who might otherwise turn out for hillary clinton, but, again, alex, a lot of this does fly a bit in the face of what you are seeing from a numbers perspective, you look at polling, not just our polling, but other polls out there nationally and in key swing states, there are very, very,

very few in which donald trump can point to them as something positive. >> hallie jackson from the heart of d.c., thank you so much. let's get the latest on the clinton campaign. to do that, we're joined by alex seitz in our d.c. bureau. good morning to you. hallie was mentioning another batch of e-mails released by wikileaks and the goldman sachs speech transcripts. want to say the e-mails have not been authenticated by nbc. what is your take away from the transcripts? >> we got three new transcripts yesterday. all from 2013, just after hillary clinton stepped down as secretary of state. we have gotten glimpses of these last friday in the first batch of wikileaks e-mails, a memo laying out all the potential vulnerabilities. nothing too surprising. it will confirm what we knew about clinton and therefore be a bit of a wrorschach test. i'm sure on wednesday donald

trump will use this against her in the debate. it is something that the clinton campaign is preparing for. she was caught a little bit off guard in the last debate when donald trump brought up the wikileaks e-mail, specifically one about her saying needed to have a public point on issues and a private point on issues, kind of saying she was two different people. clinton was a little caught off guard, more prepared for this and i expect going after trump much harder on the alleged russia connection. this has been a big thing her campaign has made an issue of this week. they blame the russian government of hacking john podesta's e-mail hacking, the dnc, and they say trump is acting as an unwitting agent of vladimir putin, comparing it it to watergate. they expect a lot of that on wednesday. >> and so secretary clinton hasn't been that much on the campaign trail. she's been doing some fund-raising certainly and no doubt preparing for the debate on wednesday. how much do you think of her debate prep is going to be focused on what has gotten out there with the wikileaks. >> it is certainly a piece.

a aides conceded she wasn't as prepped as she should have been and she seemed to authenticate the e-mail, which say position the campaign does not want to take. they're going to be more prepared this time. this is a woman, a candidate, who puts a lot of time into preparing for these debates. and this is just a whole new bucket of issues that she's going to need to prepare for. >> so in terms of the wikileaks, though, they have not been publicly commenting on what was in the contents. what was said. they have been saying that this is all russia's fault, they're the ones behind that. do you expect them to say anything about content? >> i think they're going to try to avoid it as much as possible. they don't want to authenticate this and they have kind of back door authenticated it by saying they won't authenticate it and responded to specific issues as hillary clinton herself did in the last debate.

but they're trying to avoid having a conversation about the content of these documents as much as possible and they want to pull back and say, hey, the more important issue here is the fact that in their words the russian government is hacking into american political operatives, political organizations, putting them out there on the public market, saying there is worse than watergate where, of course, you know, burglars working for president reagan broke into the democratic national committee. they didn't leak those. they report on the documents that were hacked instead of the fact of the break in. the clinton campaign wants to keep this focused on the fact of, not the contents. >> what about the new poll numbers from nbc, abc and the like. what are you reading into them and where do you see the pros and cons for clinton? >> overall, very good news for hillary clinton. no surprise after a tough week for donald trump. the top line number in that abc still hasn't moved a lot.

only up four points. her enthusiasm is up a little bit. honesty and trustworthy, she closed that gap. for donald trump, 68% of respondents believe he probably has made unwanted sexual advances on people. that's -- clinton has her arm tied behind her back as hallie mentioned with these accusers out there, juanita broaddrick, other women, clinton herself has difficulty going after the sexual assault issue personally very aggressively so she left it to other surrogates. tim kaine, look at what he said yesterday about this. >> he's just being him. he's just saying what he thinks, we are talks about the abusive way that he treats women. and i want to tell you on this, i'm offended, everybody should be offended, but when he says, no, this is locker room talk, this is what men do. hey, hold on a second. what you saw was the real donald trump. but that's not what real men do. that's not what real men do. >> so, you know, and the last

debate, donald trump brought juanita broaddrick, the other women, clinton will not be able to have tim kaine on stage with her, have some other surrogates on there, so she'll have to respond to this herself, i suspect we'll relitigating the '90s issues and the newer sexual assault allegations against donald trump as well. i expect another debate on wednesday. >> we're preparing for that. thank you very much. from drug testing candidates to accusations of a rigged election, donald trump's latest comments and what they mean for the final 23 days of the campaign. l take? i'll over-explain the process, then give you an unrealistic timeline. i'll nod in agreement so my wife thinks i understand what you're saying. i look forward to questioning your every move. okay, well i'll leave your house in shambles and disappear for six months. wouldn't it be great if everyone said what they meant? the citi® double cash card does. it lets you earn double cash back: 1% when you buy, and 1% as you pay. the citi double cash card.

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what he feels is the establishment is against him. and they're rigging the election against him, not cheating at the polling place, but got the times, the washington post, most

of the major newspapers, most of the networks. >> and that was former new york city mayor rudy giuliani explaining this morning what donald trump means when he says the election is rigged. joining me now is paul singer for "usa today." good morning, paul. if this argument isn't buying him much among the undecided voters, what is the point of pushing it? >> well, donald trump can't lose. donald trump's entire brand is about winning. that's what donald trump has been saying throughout the campaign, we're going to win so much, it is going to make you sick of winning. so donald trump can't lose. so if he does not actually win, something else must have happened. and in this case, what happened is he was cheated. he was cheated by a rigged system, cheated by the press, cheated by illegal votes. i believe in trump's mind he can't and for his brand he can't lose, there has to be some other explanation for an outcome if it is an outcome other than donald

trump winning. >> do you think he understands the potential damage of these words or that he simply does not care? this is a country that over 200 years there has been a peaceful transition of power. time and time again. and what he is saying is inflammatory. you heard mike pence even pushing back against trump supporter in the crowd who said we're eager for a revolution, we feel it coming, he's like, no, no, no. >> yeah, if trump does lose the presidency, i'll be very interested to see his concession speech because he's never had to give one. you know, you'll remember that in 2000, al gore gave a fairly, i think, you know, dramatic speech at the time, after the most disputed presidential election in our history. al gore went to the microphones and said, we will not protest, we will accept the fact that this is what we do in america is democracy sometimes you win, sometimes you lose and we'll respect the new president of the

united states, george h.w. bush. it will be interesting to see if trump can deliver that message if he loses. if he wins, not the problem. if he loses, can he deliver a message that we are americans first and we're going to come together or again, does he have to deliver the trump brand message, which is i didn't lose, i was cheated, that could be dangerous. >> and go back to his very good life as he says which is where he will go if he ends up losing. >> i want to know what you think about trump suggesting that he and hillary clinton should take drug tests, suggesting indirectly that hillary clinton may have taken drugs before the last debate. what is he talking about? am i interpreting that wrong? >> i have no idea what he's talking about. it sounds like what he's saying is that, this does get back to the question of is hillary clinton strong enough, have the stamina, that's the theme he's been pushing, now the question is maybe she's doing drugs. i honestly -- this is where we're off the rails. this is just looney talk.

there is no basis for any of it. easy for donald trump to say i'll take a drug test, because it is more making fun of the process. i don't get it. i really don't get it. >> okay, good. that makes two of us. let's ask about this, what is your take away from today's polls? >> well, the polls, two interesting polls, remember, as we always say about polls, don't believe any of them as stand alones. you have one poll that says she's far ahead, i think it was the abc poll, that said she was not as far ahead and the nbc poll said she was far ahead, two different numbers. what you need to keep in mind is the trend in the polls, the trend in the polls, all of the polls, battleground state polls and the national polls has been hillary clinton pulling ahead over the past week and a half. remember, only three weeks out from election, so donald trump does not have a lot of time to close that gap and his momentum is going in the wrong direction. that is she is building separation between them, that is bad for him. and particularly look at the

battleground states, never mind the national poll, the battleground states, florida, north carolina, ohio, places where he needs to be building leads so he can win state and the election. we're not seeing that in the collection of polls, that's when's important. >> so looking at trump's calendar here, he's got events tomorrow and tuesday and the debate is wednesday. is he doing any debate prep? >> well, not clear to me how does he debate prep. i watched a bunch on tv, video. his debate style, this gets back to the whole question about the e-mails too. you see hillary clinton, she's been a political person for 30 years. everything is built with an infrastructure and a plan. with donald trump, there is not a lot of infrastructure and not a lot of plans. stuff just happened. so i don't really know he's doing a full sit-down debate prep at this point. he has been doing some, there was some discussion that he had chris christie preparing for him

for the town hall debate, but at this point, i think donald trump is shooting every dart he has to see if up with sticks. >> do you know how much of her preparation is focused on the wikileaks e-mails? >> well, you have to assume she's trying to get a better answer, one that can sort of dismiss the e-mails themselves without getting into the content of all of them. there is a thousand different things in these e-mails. some are speech transcripts. some of them are political discussions of we should be hiring this person, not that person. one of them i saw this morning, a new batch out today, a discussion about somebody's sister who wanted to be employed with president bill clinton. who knows. they can't prepare to respond to every single e-mail. and what they really want to say is we can't even vouch that any of it is real. the issue is from the hillary clinton standpoint is these e-mails were stolen, probably by

the russians, given to wikileaks, donald trump is using them. that is an un-american process. that's where they want to focus the answer, not on the content of the e-mails. >> there is 11,000 released, how could they? >> exactly. >> the expectations you have, pa paul. what is did it going to be like, what do you think? >> i expect to have a drink before it starts. you know, i think we're going to see and hear a lot of what we have been hearing from donald trump about, you know, allegations again about bill clinton, about how hillary clinton has treated these women. he wants to deflect attention away from the allegations that have come out against him. of course, now he's got this problem. how do you give credit to bill clinton's accusers and yet dismiss donald trump's accusers? it is a fine line for him to walk. but he's been going through everything about has hillary clinton lied, has she said

different things behind closed doore e doors, he will dig into the e-mails to find anything he can find that proves she said different things to different groups of people. that's a key thing for him, she's not telling you the truth and i am. >> i do appreciate the advice, i was saying to my floor director, i'm dreading watching this. >> i'd like to have a dream and a hope again. >> yeah, would be mice. paul singer, thank you so much. the fight it win battleground states, the one place donald trump is moving resources, which states are critical for hillary clinton. here are some key words of inspiration to voters. >> come join me in helping to build a future that will give us all a chance to have the kind of potential that we deserve to have. >> we will make america strong again. we will make america great again.

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what we're monitoring for you. donald trump's trouble in the polls. trump trails hillary clinton by 11 points for the second straight week. 48% of likely voters now give clinton the nod, 37% favoring trump. let's going to latest from the battleground states now, the trump campaign withdrew resources from virginia to shift its focus to other swing states. last night, trump campaign expanded on the decision saying, quote, in terms of reallocating the resources from virginia, we have finite resources and we know early vote is a priority in north carolina. end of quote. joining me now, kyle condic from the university of virginia center for politics and author of "the bellwether why ohio picks the president." good to see you. let's get right into it. how significant do you interpret this decision to divevert the resources away from your state, keep in mind how limit eed the

funds are. >> i thought that virginia was a bad fit for donald trump. donald trump is having problems with college educated white voters across the country. there is this zone, high end, northern virginia i think will vote pretty heavily against trump and you see that in other states important for trump to win like pennsylvania where trump is doing really poorly in the philadelphia suburbs so when trump is moving resources from virginia to north carolina, i think he's moving resources from playing offense to playing defense. north carolina was the closest state that mitt romney actually won in 2012. and there is no path to victory for trump if he loses north carolina. and i think clinton folks realize that and see north carolina as a state where they're probably leading right now. and if trump is just retrenching in north carolina, doesn't say a lot of good things about his prospects nationally.

>> how about the all important state of ohio. right now with the numbers trump is leading clinton by just 1 point. that being a tie. so why is ohio and these numbers, why are they both so significant? is it still significant? i have read places that ohio doesn't play a role as a bellwether state any longer. >> well, so ohio is very important in the campaign, both trump and clinton are putting a lot of resources to the state. ohio is just a little bit more republican than national average and for some demographic reasons, particularly because the state is whiter and has a slightly smaller percentage of people with the bachelor's agree, we know about this education gap in this election where college educated whites are sort of moving more toward clinton, noncollege whites may be moving more toward trump, based on the democrdemographics clinton campaign realizes if they win ohio, there is no path

for trump because no republican has ever won the white house without ohio. and, again, trump should do better in ohio than he does nationally because of the history and the demographics. >> let's look at what you consider donald trump's most likely path to victory. and we talked about ohio, north carolina, you think he's got to win those. what about florida, you say, iowa, wisconsin, and then getting in the weeds there, the second district of maine. why do you think this locks it up for him? >> so florida is a state that, again, is another state that is a little more republican than the nation. also 29 electoral votes and if democrats are winning florida, that means they're winning almost all of the big states. california, illinois, new york in the bag and so florida would be and pennsylvania too. so there is just no math without florida for trump. and then you look at iowa and wisconsin, iowa is a state where trump may be leading right now, both iowa and wisconsin are whiter than the national average. trump has been kind of close in some polls there, though he's clearly down in wisconsin.

and maine's second district is sort of demographically favorable to trump. to me that would put -- if trump would win those states and that maine congressional district, it would get him to exactly 270 electoral votes. that to me seems like the most plausible path. and yet it is possible that clinton will win the maine second district and all the states i mentioned. trump is down now as the poll shows and other polls show. and so with just three weeks to go here, he finds himself in a fair amount of trouble. >> if he does in the lock all these states in, you said you don't see the path to victory without florida. does he have a path to victory? >> well, i think that clinton is a very heavy favorite right now. i wouldn't sort of -- i wouldn't close the door on trump necessarily. but just in looking at the polling and all that, trump doesn't, you know, his chances of winning are pretty low. >> what about the states that are most crucial for clinton to

had hold on to. >> i would say pennsylvania and i think wisconsin is a state that people aren't talking about all that much. but i think wisconsin, again, might suggest that trump could do better there, but i think -- the clinton campaign also seems to think that wisconsin is in the bag. they haven't been devoting much resources to it. but pennsylvania, wisconsin, and any one of ohio, north carolina and florida would seal the deal for clinton in my eyes. >> okay. kyle condic, author and from the university of virginia, good to see you. thanks so much. new e-mails from wikileaks allegedly reveal private speeches hillary clinton made to goldman sachs. what this means for her campaign next. and coming up, the man willing to pay $5 million for the apprentice videotapes that donald trump does not want you to see. that comes up at the top of the hour. ing good things about the network. all the networks are great now. we're talking within a 1% difference in reliability of each other. and, sprint saves you 50% on most current national carrier rates.

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to the allegations of sexual misconduct against donald trump. here's what he told chuck todd on "meet the press" just moments ago. >> his own words, don't even have to go to the accusers. when a man says that what he said, it is a textbook definition of sexual assault. the idea that she lets me do anything because i'm a celebrity is just sick. and what is wrong is we have to change the whole culture here. and that no man has a right to touch a woman, to raise her hand to a woman, to abuse a woman for any reason. >> and former new york city mayor rudy giuliani weighing in moments ago on e-mails released by wikileaks purportedly from clinton and her campaign. >> i find wikileaks very refreshing. this is the hillary clinton i always new existed. never had proof of it. say something private, that's

different than something public, i've always known she was a liar and over and over and over again, a phony. >> donald trump reigniting a fear shared by many of his supporters at the presidential election results will be fraudulent. >> instead of being held accountable, hillary is running for president in what looks like a rigged election. okay. it looks to me like a rigged election. >> well, a recent poll found that 58% of those believe that voter fraud is commonplace in american elections while only 18% of those viewing clinton favorably feel the same. let's bring in msnbc contributor robert trainer, former senior adviser to george w. bush and vice president of communications at the bipartisan policy center. also, chris, a democratic strategist to joe manchin. good to see you. thank you for joining me on a sunday morning. chris, i'll begin with you first

here, why are trump's accusations so serious and what happens if voters believe him on fraud? >> well, i mean, it is a terrible statement when you have a candidate literally questioning the outcome election before the election has happened. it is beyond -- it goes beyond this election, if you have the american people start losing confidence or start somehow believing that the outcome is predetermined, it is toxic and cancerous to the country's future. so i think that is a very dangerous strategy. i cannot remember any recent republican nominee or democratic nominee questioning the legitimacy of a candidate, the legitimacy of an election before it happens. they sometimes do it after the election as we have seen with president obama and donald trump and a lot of republicans. but to do this before presidential election is extremely dangerous. >> the question to you, do you think donald trump is using the claims of a rigged election? is he setting the ground work for shifting the blame if he loses? do you think he's aware of the

severity of what he's implying here or do you think he cares? >> i do think he cares. i think he cares about his reputation. i think he cares about what history will judge of him and so therefore i think chris is absolutely right. and you're right. with the premise of your question. what donald trump is is doing is laying the ground work by saying, see, guys, i won fair and square, wink, wink, nod, nod, or maybe i didn't. i've never been a part of a process or never heard of a process where the game has been called even before the game has actually been fought on the playing field. what donald trump is doing is setting the bar so low with respect to the expectations out there for supporters that he's basically saying, guys you got to come out and vote, but if you come out and vote and i still lose, the election is rigged. it is unprecedented. i think he's treading on dangerous territory here. >> but, robert, you have paul ryan spokesperson who is coulding out acould

i coming out and condemning the accusations. the speaker is fully confident the states will carry out this election with integrity. are you confident that the election results will be fair in. >> absolutely. because we have done it before. look, when richard nixon barely lost the presidency in 1960, against john f. kennedy, a lot of people thought that perhaps maybe then vice president nixon won the debate. the race. he called president kennedy and conceded. fast-forward to 2000, george w. bush won the presidency by 574 votes in florida. al gore also called to concede. look, it hurts. don't get me wrong. i've been on winning election and losing elections. it hurts when you lose. but you have to have confidence in the system. we have always had confidence in the system. and the system will work come november 8th and i just wish that donald trump would get on the same train as millions of other americans out there. >> and before i move on to wikileaks with you, chris, i want to read something from julie pace who read an article on the associated press who said no evidence voter fraud is a

problem in the united states. a study found out of 1 billion votes cast between the years in all american elections we should say, between the years 2000 and 2014, only 31 known cases of impersonation fraud. just putting that out there. let's move on to wikileaks now as -- >> i'll say -- can i say one quick thing. the part that worries me the most is what happens when he loses. because usually candidates concede, imagine the scenario where the night of the election, hillary clinton is named the next president of the united states and he refuses to concede because he makes the accusation again that it was a rigged election. imagine how disastrous and toxic that would be for this country. >> what do you think honestly would happen? we heard at a mike pence rally there was a trump supporter that got up and was quite outspoken about the fact she wanted to be part of a revolution if this were to happen because it is fraudulent. he definitely pushed back and said don't say that.

he understands the way the system works. but what do you think could happen? >> i think there is a difference between, like, in fairness to mike pence, who i think is a more kind of traditional politician, i don't agree with him ideologically, but in donald trump who really think i is setting up the argument that it was rigged and the danger of that is will feed among a small group potentially, but that is a dangerous outcome. you do not want that for this country. again, i've never seen this, it is not about partisanship, it really is a dangerous mentality and i don't know why any candidate other than donald trump, pretty understandable why any candidate would want to feed it but he's feeding it for his own personal political purposes. >> can i respond to that? >> go ahead. >> look, donald trump has never lost anything in his life. and so to chris' point, if in fact he does not concede, here is what i predict will happen. i think the american people will

move on. what we have seen with donald trump over the last 16 months is someone that is divorced from reality, who says one thing, when the facts clearly say something completely different. i have faith in the american people that will move on if in fact he does lose the election and does not concede. >> in terms of the healing process, i want to talk about what was happening with the wikileaks e-mail, this doesn't have to do with the healing process, but the wikileaks e-mail release last week. jennifer palmieri said this, let's take a listen. >> i don't recognize that e-mail that we saw. and this whole effort is led by the russians, the russians wants to orchestrate this hack. >> so the clinton camp has not verified any of the content in the hacked e-mails, nbc has not independently authenticated them. is there a bigger underlying issue here? not that the e-mails can't be

verified but may not want them to be, don't want them to talk about the content? >> i think as long as -- it is a question of whether they're legitimate or not. these were hacked and it is pretty apparent by every account that it was led by some kind of group inside or sanctioned by the russian government. that is not a good thing for anyone trying to suggest that these, you know, e-mails are real. putting that aside for a second, i think when it comes to the e-mails and the sides are baked in. people who read these e-mails, you know who are going to vote for trump or lean toward trump, it reinforces what they think. for others, for the undecideds, it becomes a confusing mess. for those that lean hillary, it is another example of how an outside party, specifically the russian government, is helping trump to try to win this election. i think the noise of this makes it really difficult for it to have a kind of decisive political impact that it would

if it was, you know if it had come out differently and i think that's where we are right now. >> in terms of the healing process, i want to play a sound bite from former ohio state senator nina turner about the wikileaks e-mails. let's take a listen. >> i believe that the democratic party when all of this is said and done, we'll have to deal in a very deep way with the healing process, because the fact of the matter is that the hackers didn't write the e-mails. we're dealing with people who talked about needy latinos. we're dealing with people who said things about african-americans and others. heck, i'm even in those e-mails as well, and i can tell you from reading the ones that i've seen so far with my name in them, the russians didn't write those e-mails. they were written by the people within the clinton camp. >> so robert, do you think that democrats should look at this content and attack it head on? >> well, you know, here's the interesting thing. i'm struggling with it a little bit here, alex. i've been reading a lot of

wikileaks e-mails over the last couple of days. there's no new news. the fact of the matter hillary clinton has said one thing in public and one thing in private and everyone does that. there isn't anything in these e-mails outstanding, no smoking gun there. there's a lot of bernie supporters out there saying a-ha, this is exactly why the election was stolen from us in the primary, or perhaps maybe some folks out there are saying that hillary clinton is one person behind the scenes and completely different in public. but when you actually read the e-mails themselves from john podesta and the clinton camp, there's no new news there in many ways. the state senator is actually becoming a very good friend of mine, so i understand she has a lot of passions here when it comes to hillary clinton's candidacy, but the real issue is healing on both sides. look, we have a huge, huge civil war within the republican party right now, and a little bit of a civil war going on in the democratic party, and it's not really about republicans and democrats per se. it's about the haves and have-nots. it's about income inequality and about black lives matter so it's

much much deeper than the wikileaks e-mails in many, many ways. >> gentlemen, thank you very much for the conversation. chris kofinis and robert tram, good to see you both. in just a moment, don't want to miss this, "saturday night live's" satire and a take on last week's presidential debate. ♪ >> we've got it for you. how kate mckinnon played hillary clinton in the late night piece next. symptoms. breo is for adults with asthma not well controlled on a long-term asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. breo won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. breo opens up airways

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three days before the third and final presidential debate so how important is it for the candidates? today's nbc news/"wall street journal" poll 31% say the debates made them more likely to vote for hillary clinton. 14% gives them more reason to support donald trump.

still, over half of respondents say the debate makes no difference to them, and remember to watch wednesday's debate right here on msnbc with all the coverage and post-debate analysis and highlights. well, "saturday night live" at it again roasting the candidates over last week's debate performance after alec baldwin and kate mckinnon repriced their roles as donald trump and hillary clinton. >> four of those women are here tonight, four of them. >> wait, i'm sorry. here is here? mistresses? bill, how could you? how will i go on with the debate? no, i'll never be able to remember my facts and figures now. oh, donald, no! get receipt. i'm made of steel. this is nothing. hi, girls. >> and the deal also poked fun at one of the more awkward moments at the debate when trump was looming over clinton. the real donald trump was up early tweeting about the performance and he wrote watched "saturday night live" hit job on me. time to retire the boring and unfunny show. alec baldwin portrayal stinks.

media rigging election. i think it was pretty funny. that wraps up this hour of live coverage. up next on "a.m. joy," the "the apprentice" videos of donald trump that viewers will never saw that one viewer will pay $5 million to get. i'm alex witt and i'll see you back here at noon eastern. and then you totaled him. you two had been through everything together. two boyfriends, three jobs... you're like nothing can replace brad. then liberty mutual calls... and you break into your happy dance. if you sign up for better car replacement™, we'll pay for a car that's a model year newer with 15,000 fewer miles than your old one. liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance.

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