"oh no." "yeah, maybe it is time. maybe i should check my credit score." "try credit karma. it's free." "oh woah. that's different." "check out credit karma today. credit karma. give yourself some credit." false stories, all made up, lies, lies. no witnesses, no nothing. all big lies. it's a rigged system, and they take these lies and they put them on front pages. this is a rigged system, folks, but we're not going to let it happen. we're not going to let it happen. >> good morning and welcome to "a.m. joy." donald trump remains defiant even as a ninth woman has now come forward to accuse him of

sexual misconduct. a woman tells "the guardian" that about 20 years ago while she was attending a mother's day brunch at trump's mar-a-lago estate she met trump for the first time and that he grabbed her and kissed her without her consent. nbc news has not independently verified any of the allegations against trump, and the republican nominee has strongly denied the previous accusations. trump's campaign had this response to the latest claim, quote. the media has gone too far in making this false accusation. there is no way that something like this would have happened in a public place on mother's day at mr. trump's resort. it would have been the talk of palm beach for the past two decades. meanwhile in, a brand new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll taken this week after the release of a 2005 recording of trump brag begun sexual aggression, hillary clinton is now leading trump by a whopping 11 points, 48% to 37% in a four-way race but a new abc/"washington post" poll has clinton up by four points.

with just over three weeks to go before election day, are we headed for a nail-biter or a blowout? joining me now michelle bernard, president of the bernard center for women, politics and public policy, karine jean pooesh national spokesperson for moveon.org and jonathon forum and jennifer rubin from troesht. let's talk about, first of all, the denials by donald trump categorically denying it. i guess his base, the people who support him will believe that. in the end will this controversy wind up costing donald trump the election or was he already on track to lose it in. >> he was already on track to lose it. the numbers were real widening. that began after the first debate. it began in everyonest when he had this reaction to the first debate and continued on. roughly 7 in 10 people according to the latest polls believe the allegations, but frankly we've gotten to the point in the election where 88% of his voters are set in stone and 89% of her

voters are set in stone, so i don't think we're changing a lot of minds. we may affect the intensity, and we are affecting the discomfort on the republican side but as far as he's going he was headed for the dumpster. >> our polls show 95% have heard about trump's comments on the 2005 tape and i'm wondering what you make of the republicans who are still sort of agonizing over donald trump. you have paul ryan, both distancing himself and also clinging to him, giving a speech the other day telling students essentially they must vote for donald trump to save the republic. what do you make of what the republican party is doing vis-a-vis this nominee? >> i find it pathetic, i find it sad. i think they have destroyed themselves. we who are members of the never trump movement predicted this would happen. it was inevitable. anyone who comes within his orbit becomes intellectually morally corrupted because have you to defend the indefensible,

so i think it makes them look horrible, quite frankly, and even worse are these people who go one way and then come back. fisher was one of them. john thune was another one when the tape first came out and pulled back and had a debate, it looked okay and they came back into the trump campaign so they look horribly foolish, and i think there are going to be long-term ramifications for the party, particularly with women, and i think they look positively awful. >> and even more so a troubling development that i wanted to present to the table is this question of whether or not the election will be rigged. donald trump has been at his rallies and enjoying his supporters to watch certain communities at the polls and already essentially kind of prelitigating his defeat. let's take a listen to donald trump yesterday in maine. >> instead of being held accountable hillary is running for president in what looks like to many people a totally

election. the election is being rigged by corrupt media pushing false allegations and outright lies in an effort to elect hillary clinton president. >> david frum, i think often about the 2000 election, that a lot of democrats believe was decided fraudulently, decided by a 5-had majority on the supreme court, and yet at the end that have process, you had al gore stand up and give the let the glory out speech where the candidate who had won the popular vote by over 500,000 votes, who people believed had been sort of had the presidency stolen from him by the court stand up and concede the election. we now have a situation in which it appears that the republican nominee, at least as of now, will not concede the election and will say that the election is stolen. what does that mean for the country and party? >> first i would like to stipulate that richard nixon had much better grounds for a complaint in 1906 than al gore did in the year 2000, because gore lost in the courts, but

there wasn't any suggestion of voter fraud or poll fraud which there was in 1960. here's the difference though between those two. al gore had considerable institutional democratic support that as long as he chose to keep fighting, his party followed him. that will not be the case with donald trump. isn't there a line from "mad men" that you'll never be able to believe how much it didn't happen, and i think that will be the institutional reaction to republicans, that if this is not nail-bitingly close, which it doesn't look like it will be, if it is, you know, somewhere between a 47% defeat and, you know, an outright blowout, he's -- the trap door is going to open and he'll be gone and there may be bitter enders. some of these people showing up with guns at polling places, that's extremely disturbing. it's horrifying to discover that it's legal but in many states it is legal. but will -- in order to actually convulse the american political system you need intunksal support. he won't have it. >> except, michelle, that you

had a sitting united states senator jeffrey sessions stand up at a rally with donald trump and essentially echo the idea that the election is being rigged. you have a republican party that for all their pretense of, you know, not wanting to stained with donald trump basically follow him wherever he goes. they support him no matter what he says. what in the actions of republicans that we've seen thus far would lead you to believe what, you know, we hope is true that david frum just said that they would go along with him again out of fear of his base. >> i actually don't see anything quite frankly what i believe is so -- is so quite frankly just absolutely frightening is i believe david is correct when he says the door will open and trump will fall to the bottom of it. however, if we continue with a republican-controlled congress, all of the sentiments that -- that have been expressed by donald trump with regard to african-americans and latinos and women i believe his base will be -- will be able to push

their members of congress to further, for example, water down the voting rights act, to water down the violence against women act, to basically make sure that we don't get immigration reform or even move to, you know, to transport 11 million people out of the country. he has given them the ability to do that, and we have not seen anything from this congress that demonstrates that they will reject those sort of notions. the supreme court has knocked down part of the voting rights act and the people are finding it very difficult to vote for a variety of reasons and it's going to get worse, i believe, even if he is not elected. >> right. karine, you look at the election of barack obama, and you would think the election, re-election would have opened a similar trap door, that republicans wrote down, that, ah, we need to do better with hispanics and reach out to them. the 47% comment sunk this candidate. we need to talk differently about poverty, but you've seen what the actual reaction was. >> yeah. >> you had members of the republican party, you know, sign on, at least not stop

birtherism, not stand in the way, sort of sign on to the disrespect of barack obama, sign on with talk radio response to him because the base of the party is where trump is, right, much of it is and they still fear them. >> right. >> in your view are we looking at a republican party that is trumpist even without donald trump? >> when you talk about the base, 30% to 40% of the republican base is actually supporting donald trump and also to your point about how the republicans haven't changed. they did a postmortem in 2013 that said, hey, you need to go after the young vote and minorities. you really -- we really need to do better next time and by building a coalition and they didn't even try to do that. i think one of the things that i -- that i -- one of the statements that ryan made that was real troubling to me earlier in the week was do what's best for you, right? it wasn't hey, do what's best for the country, do what's best for the constituency. it's do what's best for you, and i think that says a lot about the republican -- the republican party and why there's a civil war that's happening right now. >> you know, i would say -- i

don't think -- when i look at the elect rat, i don't think we can indict the entire republican party, and i think the question going forward after this election for the republican party is how do you normalize the party that people like always, you know go, back and say this is the party of lincoln and this is the party of frederick douglass, how do you go back and sort of rebuild from the part of the electorate that is so far right that they basically seem to be driving people out of the country versus the part of the party where we see a john kasich or a jeb bush? i would never put john kasich in the same -- >> they don't have strong support among the base of republican voters. >> this is not just an issue of republicans but a democratic voter. hillary clinton has a big strategic choice or had a big strategic choice and we can see the choice she made. the choice she had was to do what richard nixon did in 1972 saying i'm going to broaden my message and win the middle or does she continue to look over

her shoulder at the bernie sanders voters and steer in that direction, and she's clearly said i'm going to use the weakness of the republican nominee as my opportunity to go as far left as i can in order to avoid trouble within my own party, and how everything about that is tarktics during the election season, what that portends is you'll have a convulsive situation after the election. the republicans are going to believe we lost but you didn't win. we were not beaten by you. we were beaten by ourselves and, therefore, we don't have to yield to you and hillary clinton will be pushing an agenda that's going to end up i think alienating a lot of democrats because it's going to be so redis-tribtive and it's easy going to try to do the big amnesty, a terrible mistake politically and substantively and that's issue one or two and that will reignite all of these flames. >> i would disagree with that a little bit. i think bolt parties have choices to be made. at least on foreign policy, for example. hillary clinton has moved very much to the center and has given reassurance to republican hawks

like myself that she's going to be significantly different, at least in rhetoric than president obama. on economic matters, you look to many taxes for my preference, but on the other hand not significantly expanding the debt, for example, so she is going to have a choice to be made, depends in large part on what happens with the congress. >> sure. >> show has one houses or two houses, if she has no houses, but likewise on the republican side. i'm not so sure there is going to be a republican party. maybe there will be a rump of what was this republican party, but i think there is -- everything is up for grabs at this point. i think there can be a new party. i think there could be a battle royale for the heart and soul of the republican party. clearly there is, as you say, the talk radio part of the party. that has become in essence the takeover of the party that was going on before donald trump even arrived. why was the party primed for

donald trump? because they had been hearing this same garbage, excuse me, from the other sean han 'tis and the russian limbaughs and the rest of them and the dialogue and. arguments and the conspiracy theories are almost identical so is that really going to be had a major party? i find that hard to believe. >> yeah. >> i think once he goes through the floor, god willing, there will be a group like that, just like there has always been an estranged group on one side or the other, but that the party will have to figure out where their balance is, and part of that is going to be decide, are they going to go far right but saner, in the direction of ted cruz, or are they going to go in the direction of john kasich? >> i think the thing -- we're going to talk about it more in a little bit and the thing you have to pay attention to is 2018 is what they will be paying attention to, who the vote base voters, the trumpists, and michelle bernard and ka ri ne jean-pierre will be back. thanks to david frum and

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will you accept the results of the election? we will absolutely accept the results of the election. look, the american people will speak in an election that will culminate on "the new york post" 8th, but the american people are tired of the obvious bias in the national media. that's -- that's where the sense of a rigged election goes here, chuck. >> when the media comes in with an avalanche of continuous attacks against my running mate. >> that was governor mike pens on "meet the press" this morning. michelle and karine are back now. we're joined by the "washington post" jonathan capehart and msnbc political analyst michael steele. i'll turn to the gentlemen on my left, my physical left.

>> we don't want to ruin your reputation. you have mike pens sort of saying both things on "meet the press." chuck todd asks him will you accept the results of the election, of course he said it but he also did have to do the rigged election mantra of the campaign and donald trump has been on twitter this morning and earlier today he said election is being rigged by the media in coordinated effort with the clinton campaign by putting out stories that never happened into news. polls close but you can believe i lost large numbers of women voters based on made-up events that never happened. media rigging election. i mean, it's sort of -- we kind of laugh a little bit at donald trump's mania for tweeting. this is actually quite serious when you have a nominee for president. >> it's one of the -- has been one of the biggest problems in this campaign is that you could never establish a good narrative because at every turn it was undermined by a tweet. yeah, and there have been some narratives that have been created by the tweet that then

become problematic so there is that aspect of it. but to address the underlying sort of bubbling caldron beneath this election with a lot of voters certainly on the conservative side of the aisle is this sense that the timing of all of this is suspicious, the relationship between the clinton and some of the media that has been revealed by e-mails that have been leaked. that sort of furthers that narrative. of course, donald trump being ultimate showman is going to play into that as well. the problem is -- the problem is donald trump's problems go to women specifically, and it was existing before this current bumpup with, you know, revelations about behavior. so, you know, for -- more mike pence who is sitting there in the crosshairs, the poor guy. you've got to give the brother some props. it's not easy to -- to speak for someone else on policy let alone have to speak for that person with respect to their behavior.

>> i mean, but it goes beyond mike pens who is in an untenable position. he's trying to guard his own brand at some point if he wants a political future. you have other republicans joining in this really unprecedented notion of sort of pre-litigating the end of the election and saying that the election is not essentially valid. this is alabama senator jeff sessions, big supporter of donald trump for a while. sessions at a trump rally on friday. take a listen. >> this election is being -- they are attempting to rig this election. they will not succeed. >> and the they feels very loaded because of some of the other things that you've heard in this campaign. >> yeah. who could the they be? it could be, you know, those liberals, those minorities, those left-leaning women, those anyone who is not the core, hard core trump supporter, and what they are doing, from governor pens to senator sessions to donald trump to the silent republicans who aren't pushing back on this rigged election

thing is that's undermining american democracy. forget about the results and what it means for election night. our democracy depends on the american people trusting to results of the election, and if the -- if a big swath of the american people do not trust the results of the election, that means the crumbling of our democracy that we've been watching since june 16th, 2015, will continue at a pace, and i am looking for speaker paul ryan, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell and other republicans of conscience to step forward and s whatever the results on november 8th, we will respect the will of the people. we will respect the election results, and we're not hearing that and that's the scary thing. >> i'll be the first to say that as a former national party leader that what you just said i second that. we should not in any course or time be in a position where we undermine the process that we

hold dear. we tell people to go vote for a reason. >> yeah. >> because it's part of their civic duty and responsibility. you cannot then undermine that by saying that if you take this action that it's somehow going to be cheapened or lessened because someone is going to take it from you. that's not this election, and i appreciate mike pens saying that, understanding his position, but every republican needs to come out and make sure -- >> you havend speaker paul ryant out a statement, a statement from his staff, not paul ryan saying it himself. the weakest way to say it. saying our democracy relies on the confidence in election results and the speaker is fully confident the states will carry out the election. the speaker is fully confident. not even paul ryan saying it himself. >> exactly, and the fundamental danger with this, it's not just that the american people have to believe in the results of the election, but in order for us to have a democracy that works, we need to be able to believe in all government institutions and we as a nation, part of our foreign policy for many, many

years has been to promote democracy in foreign countries. you know, as a nation we promote international women, women's human rights from afghanistan, to rwanda to all -- all over the world. we've promoted it abroad and at home and if they are going to question before we even had the election, the integrity of the election -- the electoral process in our country, what does that mean recordless of whether hillary clinton or donald trump wins because no matter who wins in the next two years they are going to be facing an electorate who believes that hillary clinton, for example, should be in jail, that the election was rigged and that there is no one in government who is for the people, and we'll also have people quite frankly who will legitimately be able to say in a nation of majority rights and minorities rights is anyone in the majority going to protect the rights of minorities? >> yeah, and you've already had the hashtag abolish 19 going after women voters, not even

after people of color, going after women voters. does donald trump have a strategy, hallie jackson has said trump has given up on winning over undecided voters and is now trying to depress turnout. your thoughts, karine? >> reporter: i was listening to pence's interview, as a haitian-american, i have to say that, i'm xleestly insult the that the trump campaign is using the haitian community, hate, as a talking point for their hateful campaign that they have been running. for months people like myself have been coming on tv and saying how input it, right, donald trump is to be president, and now in the past couple of days he's becoming just unhuman, right, for him -- it's just amazing the things that he's been saying, and it's no one's fault except his own. it's donald trump's fault. he is the one, not the media, not the hillary clinton campaign.

he's one attacking women on the stage and talking about that i appearance. he's one that's brought in this racist, bigoted scene phobic language into this campaign and he's only person that he can blame from this. he's become unhinged and totally unfit and is now running this black helicopter campaign chase after conspiracy theories, and this is where we are today with this very dangerous rhetoric. >> think how paternalistic really to say that he lost all of these women voters because of the media, like i think donald trump gave us p-gate last week. >> totally. >> every kind of sexual, you know, crazy story that you can talk about and his constituency is coming out. you're seeing people on television wearing t-shirts that say trump that bitch. it's not the media why donald trump is losing women voters. women voters actually think for themselves. >> and now you have evidence that the trump campaign such as it is, because it really isn't a campaign in the sense that they are registering voters and doing

things that a campaign normally does and having a messaging strategy. it's donald trump is on television and if to hallie jackson's reporting, if they have now decided that they are not going to even try anymore, that the point is to depress turnout among democratic voters, it rings ominously in my ears because you've had donald trump saying watch certain communities. >> watch polling places, the message to me from that hallie jackson report that clinton supporters should take from that is what we've been seeing on twitter and facebook for months now and that is just two words. stay woke. people need to keep in mind that donald trump would nothing love nothing more for african-americans, latinos, women, young people, millenials to stay home away from the ballot box and not cast their vote and to be depressed and demoralized and when they should take from hallie jackson's report is a call, a clear call

that their country, their rights are on the line, and if they hall lou that man to keep them from going to the polls, and not just going to the polls, standing in line for however long it takes to cast a ballot. you know what, you can vote democrat. you can vote republican, but -- but damn it vote. >> i have to say as -- we have a former party chairman at the table, how tough is it for you to watch as the republican party and its chairman is kwai silent and has really been letting donald trump lead him and let him lead the messaging and has -- i don't see the pushback coming from the apparatus of the party, that donald trump doesn't steam have any interest in the republican party's preservation? >> it's been depressing as hel lvmt i look at where we are now and think back on this is where we were when i inherited the that's right 2009, a demoralized base, donorssctural ices and

moving away from the party. the popular nomenclature is negative and we took great pains to turn that around and it's very unsettling to broaden the reach of the party collapse, deliberately collapsed in my view. >> yeah. >> so, you know, this is the bed you're going to make and you're going lie in it on november 8, gop, and this idea that you think democrats are going to stay home because donald trump is trying to depress the vote, how naive and stupid is that. >> indeed. michelle, karine and jonathan will all be back, and michael will be back as well. all of us will be back. up next, "saturday night live" was at it again roasting the candidates last night over last week's debate performance. >> welcome to the second and worst ever presidential debate. please help us welcome the candidates, republican nominee donald trump and can we say this yet. >> probably fine. >> president hillary clinton.

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upgrade your phone system and learn how you could save at vonage.com/business "saturday night live" takes on the second debate with kate mckinnon as hillary clinton and alec baldwin portraying donald trump. the real trump tweeted his critique this morning. watched "saturday night live" hit job on me. time to retire the boring and unfunny show. alec baldwin portrayal stinks. media rigging election. unfunny? you be the judge. >> listen, what i said is nothing compared to what bill clinton has done, okay? he has abused women, and martha, anderson, hold on to your nips

and your nuts because four of those women are here tonight, four of them. >> wait, i'm sorry. who is here? mistresses? bill, how could you? how will i go on with the debate? no, i'll never be able to remember my facts and figures now. oh, donald, no. get receipt. i'm made of steel. this is nothing. hi, girls. >> when we come back, trump's latest conspiracy theories. stay with us.

hillary clinton meets in secret with international banks to plot the destruction of u.s. sovereignty in order to enrich these global financial powers, her special interest friends and her donors. the election is being rigged by corrupt media pushing completely false allegations and outright

lies in an effort to elect her president. >> welcome back to "a.m. joy." donald trump has spent this week going on full on conspiracy theorist, alleging a global cabal of international financiers colluding with the clintons to bring them down. the anti-defamation league had this response. whether intentionally or not, donald trump is evoking classic anti-semitic themes that have historically been used against jews and still reverberate today. mr. trump focused on the very issues and themes that obsess the conspiratorial anti-semites. they believe there is an elite group of jews who control the media, the government and banking and who are trying to destroy white america. the trump campaign did not respond to our request for comment. here with me is michelle bernard, jamal snonz, "the washington post's" dana milbank and former rnc chair michael steele. this is something that's been

brewing in the background of the trump company ever since he brought on steve bannon of the alt right and breitbart.com and so much a movement of the neo-nazis and what do you make of the candidate himself spewing ideas that the adl recognizes dog whistles against jewish people? >> i think he's been doing this all along and if any one of these things was a one-off you would say that's a coincidence and it's sort therefore choreographed ballet of the alt-right here. we've had these constantly re-tweeting neo-nazis, just a week earlier he used the word bloodsuckers to talk about people who support international trade, a classic anti-semitic dog whistle, his supporters have been going after jewish journalists like me and others and had nothing to say to his supporters. when they do that, melania trump said made the jewish voters provoked that kind of thing. we've seen images of nazis on an american flag tweeted and then removed, so there's been --

there's footsie over and over again, not as overt as it's been with african-americans, with latinos and with women. after all, he does have a daughter who is jewish and grandchildren who are jewish so that insulates him a bit, but, you know, when he goes after all the other groups the jews are never far behind. >>ance >>ance. >> absolutely. "mother jones" has had a piece out that says how donald trump took hate groups mainstream. this is number two for our producers. trump's enduring campaign tack tis from calls for black protesters to be roughed up to the circulation of rates of and anti-muslim and anti-sem mick language and memes is proof for far right extremists that white nationalism has not only arrived but has found a champion in a candidate for president of the united states. white nationals will read this as support. >> yes, they do, and what i don't understand what he thinks he's doing either from an electoral or market base perspective because there just

aren't that many people who are going to respond to this i think overtly and rally to this cause. he's not going to win the election. if he's trying to build something for or the election seems like he's going to a really distinct and small part of the national market to try to appeal to, and it's -- and as someone, you know, it's interesting, how much does he really lost country, you know? >> you have to ask. >> he's real pulling at all the threads holding us together and trying to unravel this united states of america that people have been building for the last 50 years. >> to the first question you, the person who understands business marketing. look at the person on his team, steve bannon, breitbart, been quite successful of managing hipster naziism, kellyanne conway who knows polling and research and david bosse who has made a living on the clinton, citizens united, people forget, is a movie about hillary

clinton, roger stone who has been quite successful in sort of the nether world of the alex jones kind of conspiracy theory world. you've got rudy giuliani who is making money off of 9/11 quite frankly since it happened and who could go on the speaking circuit as the uber trump guy and newt gingrich, who, of course, ran for president and wrote a book and made a documentary. you've got essentially people around donald trump who know how to market and market to this specific audience. you've got 13 million people who are willing to buy trump products after this, that could be an end game. >> and quite frankly none of them are the marketers that donald trump is. he engages in stereotypes. you know, i read somewhere a quote where he was speaking about how it terrifies him to have black people looking after his money and he said i want a short little guy with a yamulke on his head watching my money so they engage in these stereotypes and the problem is after the election, whoever is elected in congress, republicans in the congress will have to meet the

expectations of all of the people who voted for donald trump. they want what he has given them. he has marketed it brilliantly, much to my cha grirngs and i think it fortels a lot of negative things that will be happening. >> here's what sort of the alt-right theory of the case, michael, even if people are not overtly white nationalists, you can appeal to their anger and rage that is by accident, by infrefnlts i want to read you a couple of quotes. trump supporters at a rally in cincinnati. none of these people are overtly members of the alt-right but this is the way they are talking. this is one. if she's in office, i hope we can start a coup. she should be in prison or shot. that's how i kneel about it. this is dan bowman, a 50-year-old contractor said of hillary clinton. we're going have a revolution and take them out of office if that's what it takes. these going to be a lot of bloodshed. this is sheriff david clarke, an elected law enforcement officer, someone who is in milwaukee county sworn to protect and

serve and uphold law. this is what he said. it's incredible that our institutions of government, white house, coming, doj and big immediate are corrupt and all we do is -- and i'll allow you to read it off the teleprompter, a law enforcement overs saying that. >> a black law enforcement officer. >> i've got nowhere to go with that. look, i think what has been said really is the predicate to what we know and we're seeing now. in other words, there's been this feeding of this beast for some time, and it actually goes beyond donald trump. this is -- this is not -- this is not a new space for us here in american politics. we've seen it in various forms, whether it's with tea party, whether it's with occupy wall street. there's a lot of sentiment beneath the surface that the political establishments can pick at. donald trump, to your point, michelle, has been masterful at pick at that, and allowing that

bleeding to occur to your point, jamal, into our -- into the fabric of our nation in such a way that it -- it weakens it, and so -- >> it corrodes it. >> look how much we've devolved. you can go to had a national debate that people are watching all over the world with all of these republicans on stage. one feel mail at the time talking about the size of someone's hands and what it correlates to. >> i mean, what -- that is where he has brought us. >> we're unfortunately out of time. i'm really going to gut check. do you worry about violence after this election? >> the bloodshed has been discussed by roger stone. >> do you worry about violence? >> i worry more about the next politician who is not donald trump, seems more reasonable and picks up on the same threads and decides to run for national office. >> michelle will be back in hour next hour. thanks very much to jamal, dana and michael steele. we need you back and we love your beard, dana. in our next hour, i'll interview superstar will.i.am on his latest music video where he wears a very familiar hairdo and a preview of the financial

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get the is there a lane you would not go down? you heard that the clinton sexual scandal was on the table with donald trump. is there a zone in which you would not go? >> yes, we're not going down

that lane. we're looking, as i said, for information that is relevant to donald trump's fitness for office. >> it's been a month since we last spoke with david brock, the founder of media matters for america, and the man behind the wikileaks-style project trump leaks which offers to pay for legally obtained and uni had itted video or audio of trumpet since then "the washington post" released the now infamous video of donald trump making predatory remarks about women in 2005. the tape and the numerous allegations of donald trump have made sexual assault a vital election in this election. now the reigning question is whether there is more evidence of inappropriate behavior. producers of trump's hit show "the apprentice" say yes but that's protected by a $5 million leak fee accorded to one producer so david brock has offered to foot the bill. joining me now is david brock, correct record, the political action commit and the man behind

trump leaks. david, great to talk to you. >> thank you. >> last time we spoke as the opening sound bite indicated you were not necessarily looking for or not interested in leaks of a sexual nature. >> right. >> it's obvious what changed your mind. >> yes. >> but is this a strategic shift for you where you guys are now open to that and why? >> i don't think it's a shipment what shifted is the fact that we're not interested in private consensual sexual matters that are not relevant to somebody's fitness for office, but, you know, in the last week we've been talking about sexual predation, been talking about sexual assault. now a number of women have come forward accusing donald trump of exactly what he said he was capable of on the video that surfaces a week ago, and so i do think we're interested in stories of lewd, derogatory comments and conduct of donald trump by a sexual nature when they are unwelcome, yes. >> i want to play you donald trump's -- essentially the threat that he has made

essentially threatening going after bill and hillary clinton even more if more tapes or if you should obtain these "the apprentice" tapes or somebody else does. take a listen. >> bill clinton sexually assaulted innocent women and hillary clinton attacked those women viciously. if they want to release more tapes, saying inappropriate things, we'll continue to talk about bill and hillary clinton doing inappropriate things. there are so many of them, folks. >> any concern on your north this could sort of a sexual misconduct arms race, that obtain videotape of more women making allegations against donald trump and the trump campaign attacks the clintons more. you're a veteran of the clinton wars. something you're concerned about? >> no. look, the trump campaign will do what it will do, but there's a clear distinction here i think in our mind, joy. these are news stories about donald trump. these are new allegations. he is a today still in my view a

very dangerously unvetted candidate. we're still learning about the true nature and character of this man, and that's why we want to see more tapes. we want to see if there's a pattern here. i doubt it, but that this wanes a one-time incident. we'd like to establish that parent. on the clinton said, as we know, bill clinton and hillary clinton have been investigated to death for 25 years. an independent counsel in the 1990s looked into the allegations that donald trump is referencing and to no avail. i'm not concerned about that. i think what we're really concerned about is that the american public be fully informed when they cast their ballot and that's why these 14,000 hours of unaired videotape that is sitting in mgm studios needs to be released and there's only a couple ways that's going to happen. one is that mgm makes the right call in our views and releases the tapes, or, two, some brave soul who has access to it takes a risk, leaks the tape and

that's where our offer of $5 million comes in, because as you said there's been reported there's a $5 million fine or fee in these contracts to someone who releases these tapes. if it's $5 million standing between that and the truth of donald trump, we'll cover the cost. >> and have you gotten any response to your offer. a lot of rumors out there what could be on the tapes. could be trump saying the "n" wo word. it would be more information about trump involving women. have you gotten any response thus far to your offer? >> we have, and we're vetting responses. in fact, i looked in my e-mail this morning, and there was something, so i don't know what that is yet. we have to check it out and we have to thoroughly vet it because we're only interested in factual information but the more we can spread the word that this offer stands and not only in regards to the tapes as i was on your show a few weeks ago, we're willing to pay for information of donald trump that's relevant. whatever that may be, because we

don't want to leave any stone unturned here because the stakes in this election are so high. >> and lastly, would it potentially be to take $5 million against a lawsuit to try to get them to release the toys, have you tried to get them from mark burnett's production company or from mgm? >> haven't done that yet. we're considering steps to pressure the company to do what we think is the right thing here. look, they are -- they are hiding behind a contract here that i think is dubious. there's -- i haven't -- i'm not a lawyer. i haven't seen the contract, but what's been reported is that they seem afraid that donald trump could snap, but that clause as far as i know applies to their releasing these tapes for profit which they wouldn't be doing. they would be releasing them, doing their civic duty. >> in the public interest. >> in the public interest. >> yeah. >> so we think we're looking at next steps we can take to publicize the fact that the company is sitting on this and the stakes being so high.

>> absolutely. please keep us posted. thank you, david brock. appreciate you become here. >> thank you. up next, fight night, the third and final presidential debate takes place next week in las vegas. we'll have a preview of that and a live interview with will.i.am. more a.m. joy" just after the break. recard. (to dog)give it. sure! it's free for everyone. oh! well that's nice! and checking your score won't hurt your credit. oh! (to dog)i'm so proud of you. well thank you. get your free credit scorecard at discover.com. even if you're not a customer.

i'm very embarrassed by it. i hate it, but it's locker room talk, and -- and it's one of those things. >> he has also targeted immigrants, african-americans, latinos. >> it's just words, folks. it's just words. >> people with disabilities. p.o.w.s, muslims. >> if you look at bill clinton, far worse, minor words, and his was action. >> i know you're into big diversion tonight. >> you should be ashamed of yourself. >> anything to avoid talking about your campaign and the way it's exploding and the way republicans are leaving you. >> welcome back to "a.m. joy."

those were just a few of the highlights and lowlights from the second presidential debate, and as we look ahead to the third presidential showdown between hillary clinton and donald trump wednesday night in las vegas fox news' chris wallace will be in the moderator's chair and his chosen topics for the debate including immigration, the supreme court, the economy and the candidate's fit necessary to be president which for trump will include the growing number of allegations from women who have accused him non-consensual sexual contact. it's by now familiar debate territory after a third straight week in which the question of trump's treatment of women has dominated his campaign except in this debate we can expect one notable difference. trump unleashed. as he said in a tuesday tweet. it's so nice that the shackles have been taken off me, and i can now fight for america the way i want to. joining me now is michelle bernard of the women's center of public policy and democratic strategy karine jean-preer,

jonathan capehart and e.j. deion, author of the book "the right gone wrong." donald trump pre-unleashed, pre-unshackled sort brought a big press conference before the debate with four women who accused bill clinton and tried to put him in the family box and what do you expect from donald trump in the third debate? >> i was thinking if we've been watching trump shackled god knows what trump unshackled will look like. will he rise off the stage in a heavenly moment. i mean, it's crazy. i think that in this debate he's got to know how much he brags about how well he's doing that, he's in a hole, and this is a kind of last chance for himself, and his only chance is that the whole debate turned to clinton, and that's why i think this is the hardest debate clinton has had to do because first she's

going to have to answer for some of those wikileaks e-mails, even if we always should say looks like the russians are trying to interfere with our election. nonetheless, she's going to have to prepare for all of those, not knowing what chris wallace or donald trump will throw at her, but she also has to keep the focus back on trump and she has to be more aggressive than she perhaps would be. her ideal trump implodes and i stand here and sound reasonable and i think that's more challenging than. >> and she's going into it, jonathan, according to our poll, where 77% of people have heard about these polls. we heard about the abc/"the washington post" poll which looks better for donald trump, democrats 18%, only 18% say that that's typical locker room talk, what donald trump is calling locker room talk and 65% of republicans and 39% independents and let's go over to the "wall street journal" poll looking by gender. hillary clinton is up 55-35

among women, look at this and even among men donald trump isn't routing her, only up by three points so he's fighting from a hole. she's got women on her side, but is her gambit, as e.j. said, to try to look presidential and scoop up the remaining republicans or what does she do? >> you know what, the hard part is trying to figure out what does she do against an opponent with nothing to lose? >> yes. >> she can prepare all she wants for unshackled donald, unhinged donald, crazy donald, rational donald and still i bet the talk will be she didn't -- she missed this opportunity. she didn't do that. i mean, the bar for donald trump is so low. >> yeah. >> that if he stands there for 90 minutes continuously breathing he's done a great job, and i do agree with e.j., i do believe that this, because it's the final debate, because donald trump is unhinged, unleashed, unshackled and has nothing to lose, that she is going to have

to be more aggressive, not only in terms of, one, looking presidential and countering his attacks that also he's going to go hard again and the misconduct and allegations against her husband, and i think that will be the human moment for her. >> yes. >> to be able to stand there and say, listen, we've had -- we have had our challenges in our marriage, but we are celebrating "x" numbers of years together. >> just had their anniversary. we are still together. marriage is work. marriage is compromise. marriage is sticking to it when things get hard. i bet every american man, woman, would understand exactly what she's talking about, and i think a lot of people are looking for her to defend herself, defend her marriage, defend her husband. >> and the temptation will be to say, mr. trump, you made other choices, and i'm not sure. >> go that extra step. >> can i say one thing about the

"washington post" poll as a guy. the most heartening number in that moll is not only do most men say men don't talk like this. >> yeah. >> a majority of women say most men don't talk like this which as a guy i took real heart from. >> there has been some question about hillary clinton's sort of relative silence just about the women in general, the awkward position she finds herself in as the woman running to be the first woman president, you know. does she need to be more forward leaning on the subject of these women? >> well, there's something that hillary clinton has that donald trump does not have which are surrogates, right? she has michelle obama. the president of the united states, the vice president, you know, senator warren, senator sanders, and -- and they have spoken for her, right? we saw that with the powerful speech that michelle obama gave and that's it. you didn't really need to say anything more because michelle obama said with this emotional just amazing delivery of a speech that she decided to make, so i think that's one. i think that with the debate

it's really also following the words of michelle obama when they go low, we go high. she cannot chase trump on the stage. she has to let trump be trumpet she can't -- >> he might chase her though. >> right. >> bizarre, like visual that we saw of him at at last debate. look, when i heard unshackled, i said oh, my god, we all need to get vaccinated. what are you talking about? >> an example of what he might be talking about because one of the things that donald trump has done less is to really go after president obama in a really direct way. going after michelle, he's not crazy. >> i don't rule anything out. >> but this is donald trump treading into that territory, back into the birtherism territories, trump on saturday talking about president obama. take a listen. >> she wants 550% more coming in. thousands that our president, quote, president, has coming in.

>> michelle, he seems to be treading closer to that line where he gets like 80% black turnout. >> he is doing his best. you know, he can go after the president which i suspect he -- you know, he will do. however, all he's doing is he's giving hillary clinton more ammunition. if i'm hillary clinton or i'm advising hillary clinton for this last debate, it's the most important debate and the american public i think particularly women need to see hillary clinton in a different light, so when he talks about president obama the way that he does, if i were hillary clinton, i would pivot. i would talk about what we have heard donald trump has said about black contestants in the beauty pageants that he ran, how he, sort of, disgusted by african-american women and people are going to think about michelle obama and that incredible speech that she gave, and i actually think to disagree with jonathan had a little bit, i don't think she needs to go

into this debate defending her husband, but i believe for the women who believe that she's somehow not a woman, that she gets honest and she talks about what her husband's affairs did to her, and -- and how she felt about it and she has han honest discussion with the american people maybe about how women deal with infidelity and maybe say i made a mistake. i shouldn't have blamed the would. i should have looked -- blamed my husband. talk about all of that in detail so that all of these women who just -- i've heard people say she was running for president since she was in the womb and they look at her as if something is wrong with her as a female candidate and be soft and show people that she has a heart and she is human and she fought through her marriage and she made it work, and she -- and in doing so she can defend michelle obama and can defend president obama, and i think all it will do is enter to her benefit. >> i wonder why the clinton team didn't have her sit down for sort of a big interview, something like that. we also would like her to

interview on "a.m. joy." we're really looking for that interview, sit down with robin roberts, sit down with diane sawyer, did that during the 19190s clinton era. >> if you look at the high points of her approval, one was after she was secretary of state. >> sure. >> but other was after the clinton scandal where a lot of americans empathized with her after that was -- >> on the right and the left. >> but for her to -- she doesn't want bill clinton to be at the center of this campaign at all. >> i agree. >> she wants -- >> he's not. he's not running for president. >> i think he's been overshadowed by all of this trump stuff that's exactly what she wants and that's why it's very trick because i agree a little bit of, you know, i'm way more of a human being than you know and think that i am, but i think if she goes too far on this she completely spoils the story line that she is hoping to get out of this debate which is more trump unshackled.

>> speak of that, here is probably more on what we're likely to see. this is donald trump, again, unshackled, and he makes a very curious reference to drug testing. take a listen. >> oh, good lord. >> we should take a drug test prior, because i don't know what's going on with her but at the beginning of her last debate she was all pumped up at the beginning, and at the end it was like oh, take me down. she could barely reach her car so i think we should take a drug test. >> i don't even have a question. >> i mean, it's sexism, that's what it is. it's sexism and also it shows that he's just unfit, unhinged to be president of the united states. >> would you take a blood test, i would like to know how much viagra is in your bloodstream while you're talking to the debate. >> or testosterone. >> a comprehensive psychiatric exam by three well-respected psychists. >> we have nun with it. >> this is crazy.

>> the reality is after the last couple of debates where donald trump was continually sniffing, people who made a lot of jokes, it does feel like most of what he does is projection outward of the things that people said about it. tweeted about "saturday night live" last night. seems to be so much. my sort of round robin to the table is do you believe that do you believe bill clinton be able to bait donald trump on stage given that this is where he is, that his team has given up on trying to rein him in? does donald trump get baited on that stage on wednesday? >> i think so, and i think all debates hang more on moderators than we like to acknowledge. i think so much will depend, and i'm not pre-judging it, because i have no idea what chris wallace is going to do, but so much will hang on which questions does he decide to follow up on and which doesn't he decide to, and he can't follow up on everything? who does he press on what? i think that the -- if donald trump really does go unshackled, that almost certainly helps her as long as she doesn't look

defensive and unresponsive and that's the tricky line she's got to walk. >> that's the line show has to walk. our panel is back later in the show, and up next will.i.am joins me live to show me his new funny or die video in which he impersonates a certain presidential candidate. stay with us. anything meant to stand needs a stable foundation. a body without proper foot support can mean pain. the dr. scholl's kiosk maps your feet and recommends our custom fit orthotic to stabilize your foundation and relieve lower-back, knee or foot pain from being on your feet. find your nearest kiosk at drscholls.com. also available from dr. scholl's: heavy duty support for lower back pain, lightens the impact of every step.

♪ i'm a star, because i made it ♪ ♪ i'm rich and i'm famous ♪ donald trump said grab you by the -- ♪ >> in a new funny or die video a lip-pounces be-wigged will.i.am and he ended his epic satire and message in support of hillary clinton. >> if this is was a tv show,

maybe would i watch, it it would be pretty funny. if it was a move i would go and spend my money to see a circus of a show. this is not a tv, a circus or move. please vote so we can put this awesome leader to work and we can stop playing these games. >> and joining me now is will.i.am, co-founder and front man of the black-eyed peas. will.i.am, thanks so much for being here. >> thank you. thank you. >> the video is funny, obviously, a funny sort of musical moment and it's rife for satire what donald trump said and did, and on a more serious note you were a part of what became a really iconic moment in the 2008 campaign on a positive side where you took the yes, we can speech which is my -- you know what i would argue is probably the best speech that barack obama ever gave in my mind, at least as a candidate, and talk it and made it this iconic sort of moment, this iconic cultural moment that

really impacted young voters. what impact do you hope to have with this funny or die video? >> well, the -- the speech that senator obama did back in 2008, you know, hit me to the core. it woke -- woke me up to realize that we needed an inspirational leader, somebody that had done amazing work in the community in chicago and served, you know, this nation, and i did the song to inspire teachers to teach his speech, you know. my -- the first idea was if teachers could only teach the speech in school, then we have hit the core of culture because the last time a president or a public speaker's speech was taught in school was john f. kennedy and martin luther king so if we can do that right now we've made impact. so this video, "grab them by the

meow" is -- you know, i don't want to be depressed when i watch these debates. i'm depressed. i'm sad that we got to this point where they could be talking about a lot of things. we live in a great country where companies like tesla and google and apple, microsoft, big huge companies that change the world, there's jobs that need to be created here. we can be talking about, you know, how space -- how do we create jobs around the technology that we have today and there's so many things to be talking about. we ear going to talk about beauty pageants. you're going to talk about defending yourself on things that you said. >> right. >> he said that. i don't go up to them and talk to them. i just kiss them. i grab them by the meow. like he said these words. why are we even in the situation when those are the subjects that we're talking about? >> i have a strong mom, and i was just hurt by that so instead

of being sad and depressed i wanted to laugh at it because certain people deserved to be laughed at. >> yeah, and i think it's important that you made the point that yes, we can being this iconic moment for a presidential candidate to this, this grab them, you know, this really vulgar speech or, you know, this vulgar way of talking about women by donald trump, but you also mentioned being depressed, and i think a lot of people are depressed by this election. clearly, will.i.am, and one of the things that's a result of it is that at least early on, particularly last year, there wasn't a lot of engagement by quite frankly the pop culture world. there wasn't a lot of engagement by michael artists, by movie stars, by the sort of people who really got involved in a huge way in 2008. you're starting to see that now. is that as a result of, i don't know, just this sense that this is such a negative election that people didn't feel engaged and why do you suppose it's finally kicking in? >> i just think with all the

things that president barack obama had to handle and deal with during his presidency, unfortunately, he was handed a very fragmented collapsed america, with our economy, our incarceration problems and our education, you know. he was given a very, very weak america, although we were strong in a lot of points and he had to fix a lot of these problems and there's a lot of people, that you know, that may feel that barack obama didn't do the job, but he did a great job given the -- the state that america was in. so that left a lot of folks, you know feeling i don't want to contribute way i contributed in 2008. there was so much excitement and so many things that we all wanted to see happen but it's going to take time and we've got to continue that momentum. we need to continue to have someone who can lead the country

and solving our problems, right, so if you take -- if you take a snapshot of what's happening during the debates, i feel -- i feel more confident in hillary clinton handling the issues that we have rather than tan gents, someone thinking that the world is about them and only them and, you know, all these distractions. >> yeah. i want to play just a couple of -- you are one of the celebrities obviously who is getting involved and speaking out on this election. there was a group of celebrities against trump. this is a -- a video that includes scarlett johnasson and mark ruffalo, listen to it that. >> you only get this many people together if there's issues that matter to all of us. >> a disease, ecological crisis. >> a race of the, abusive coward who could permanently damage the fabric of our society. >> do the math. >> the do we really want to give nuclear weapons to a man whose signature move is firing? >> firing.

>> firing things. >> and i've got to put one more, this is robert de niro who had this epic rant against donald trump, and i'll play a little clip of that. take a look. >> conley powell said it best. he's a national disaster. he's an embarrassment to this country. it makes me so angry that this country has gotten to this point that this fool, this bozo, has wound up where he has. he talks about how he wants to punch people in the face. well, i would like to punch him in the face. >> among your fellow artists, people in the christ community, what's biggest fear about a donald trump presidency? >> just -- this is just sad. i can't explain how -- how sad this is. i mean, if you just look at what's happening, it's just sad. i love this country. i love all the, you know, the

potentials we have, like why are we even here? why is this even a conversation? so many people that are hurting, so many people that are homeless, so many people still in the projects not knowing -- i come from the projects. i was one of those kids that was blessed with an awesome education, and so many people just need simple things like an education and a leader that can just hold ground and push it through. i don't think he cares about people in the projects. i don't think he cares about the homeless. i don't think he cares about alton sterling's mom and i don't think he cares about the people hurting in this nation or the police officers that lost their lives. i don't think he cares about anything but himself, and that's sad. >> well, will.i.am, thank you very much. we really appreciate you making us laugh and making us think this morning, and we really appreciate you. thank you. >> thank you. >> all right. and coming up, a preview of ava

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what is locker room talk to me? it's not what that guy said. you know, we don't -- we don't demean women in no shape or fashion in our locker room. obviously i've got a brother-in-law, a wife, a mom and a daughter, and those conversations just don't go on in the locker room. i don't know what that is. that's trash talk. >> welcome back to "a.m. joy."

three-time nba champion lebron james who endorsed hillary clinton earlier this month has joined a chorus of athletes condemning donald trump brag begun sexual assault and his explanation that it was, quote, locker room talk." but not every star athlete was willing to share their thoughts on trump's locker room claims. one trump friendly quarterback -- trump friendly quarterback tom brady. >> you have kids of your own. how do you respond to your kids of donald trump's version of locker room talk? >> thank you, guys. have a good day. >> and joining me now is a sports reporter for "the washington post" and chris kluwe, author and former nfl punter who spent eight seasons with the minnesota vikings. thank you both for being here. chris, i'm going to go to you first because you wrote an op-ed for voxx.com in which you said, quote, i was in an nfl locker room for eight years but we never had anyone say anything as foul and demeaning as you did on that tape addressing donald trump and you're one of the first athletes to speak out on

this. this idea of donald trump who did own a usfl team, the new jersey generals, so he's presumably been in a locker room before, what do you make of his trying to put off his comments on people like you, on people who have been in professional locker rooms? >> well, you know, i think it just shows a fundamental misunderstanding of what the locker room actually, is and maybe that's his dream locker room where he can brag about sexual assault all he wants, but all the athletes i know, yeah, i'm not saying there isn't misogyny in there. i'm not saying guys don't make bad jokes or use dirty language but never had anyone brag about sexual assault at least in my personal experience, and it really just crosses this line and, you know, disparages women and athletes and pretty much anyone who is ever in a locker root you just don't talk like that. >> cindy, we have professional athletes, not sort of a barn full of people, full of animals. these are -- it is sort of disparaging to the men who are doing a professional job. you've had several professional athletes come out.

c.j. mccollum of the portland trail blazers come out saying i haven't heard that in any locker rooms, jacob taney of the atlanta falcons, it's not normal and f even if it whether it's not right, sean do lick, i've been in locker rooms my entire adult life and that's not locker room talk. and as someone who has covered professional sports and you've been in locker rooms. >> people in them are conducting themselves professionally. there's a time that wasn't the case but it's much better now. "the washington post" has half a dozen women who are regularly in locker rooms interacting with athletes and during the time that media -- the media's allowed in, it's very professional, and, again, as chris was saying, you might hear -- oh, you might hear comments, but, again, it's nothing -- we're talking about sexual assault here. >> right. this is -- you know, no one is bragging about committing crimes. even some of the guys, certainly there have been issues in sports with people being arrested for assault, domestic violence, but you're not hearing people bragging about it or talking

about it or planning it, and as one former quarterback said, you know, there are actually places he could go if he heard something like that, you know, to security or to the front office. there's someone he can talk to about it if he heard it >> you know, chris, i think that's missed a lot of times in the coverage of the story that donald trump was also at a workplace. he wasn't in a locker room. actually at at professional workplace, the set of "access hollywood," still on the job, miked up and working, but to the point, you know, of whether or not this takes place only in front of media or not, it's been written about impactfully about being a young athlete in high school and hearing people make really ugly comments about women but being rebuked for it by the coach or really having to decide what to do as an athlete. you know, there is a sense that there is an entitlement to women, that there's an attitude towards women among some professional athletes, do you think it's fair to say that general attitude and that general atmosphere has contributed to a comment that donald trump could have fed from? >> yeah, without a doubt.

you look halt what happens within sports as a whole. i mean, there's still a huge problem with rape culture in sports, steubenville and the recent baylor scandal. the list goes on and on and that's why we as athletes need to push back so hard about what trump is trying to say because it's trying to normalize this idea of miss hodge any and sexual assault and treating women as objects, and, you know, frankly that's something i don't want to see, not just because, you know, i have a wife. i have daughters, i have a mom, but because women are human beings, too, and no one deserves to be treated like an object. >> yeah. one of the things we haven't heard, heard a lot of players talking about this and pushing back on the idea of this being quote, unquote locker room talk. should we start hearing from nfl and nba team owners on this? >> i think they are content to let the players take care of it. there's sort of a break between the ownership and the front office and the locker room. i think they like to see the players police their own locker rooms. >> is it partly also, particularly among a lot of nfl

owners, republicans, people positioned politically? >> perhaps the preponderance of nfl owners support donald trump. i haven't broken it down but i would not be surprised. i think when you have a superstar like lebron james come out and speak as forcefully as he did, they are content to sit back and say they have taken care of it. they are the stars, you know. i don't really feel the need to do anything further about it. >> yeah. >> you know, presumably if there were a problem in the locker room, an owner would step forward because there's -- the seasons are so finite, you know. you have only so many opportunities to win, you know. you don't really want anything messing up the attitudes in your locker room. >> other than mark cuban who has become the chief troll against donald trump. >> yes. >> you don't have a lot of team owners who are saying a whole lot. i want to ask you about that question, chris, because there is a sort of conceit that athletes, they sell sneakers to republicans and democrats and jerseys to republicans and democrats, and so there's a

reluctance to be talking about it. we saw tom brady walk away. >> i think that's actually a consequence of the fact how corporatized the sport has become. we're talking about a business that brings in $16 billion in revenues, the numbers expected to go to 19 or 20 billion by 2020, and with that comes the idea that shut up, do your job and don't be anything more than the name on the back of your jersey which i think is unfortunate. >> yeah. >> because when you look at history, athletes have accomplished so much by using their platform and by taking a stand, and, you know, i think that that's something that it would be a shame to lose it, and i'm glad we're seeing more athletes being more socially active these days and there's a lot to be said. we're human beings too. we should have as much right to

speak as everybody else did. >> cindy, there's some pressure now on the u.s. golf association to move a tournament that has been plapd at one of donald trump's -- played at one of donald trump's golf clowns, the united states golf association, the usga tournament in new jersey, the u.s. women's open will be held there. do you think it will wind up being moved? >> i think it's now come to people's attention. it was given to the golf club in july i believe during the summer, and, you know, people kind of forgot about it. there was a little bit of a -- sort of a wave of people questioning why it was going to that club then, and now it's kind of come up again. this has caused it to come to the forefront again. i think it will have to be closer to the tournament before the drum beats get a little louder on this. i think we're probably too far removed from it right now. i would expect it though to rise up and be an issue as the

tournament gets cloertser, proby in the spring when the golf season starts up again. >> this is where you had a sui generous situation where if he was viable you would have a golf tournament being played at a course owned by the president of the united states. but he doesn't look like he's in that position. thank you both for being here. really appreciate you. >> thank you. and coming up at noon, a pulitzer prize winning journalist and donald trump biographer michael dantonio and first a geek sneak peek of what i was up to last week. it rhymes. i love my producers. more on "a.m. joy" after the break. ♪ using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the fruit... veggies... and herbs needed to create a pop-up pick-your-own juice bar in the middle of the city, so now everyone knows... we have some of the freshest juice in town.

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what will this week's big headlines be? my panel is back with me. michelle, what's the big headline of the week in. >> my big headline is i'm going to take a page out of bill maher's program friday night where he says movies always foresee the future and he talked about flip phones on "star trek" and the first dark president on "deep impact" and "head of state" and i went back to see if we've ever seen a woman

portrayed as president of the united states and i found three, 1964 "kisses for my president" where the big talk is madam president leslie become loud an. 1953, "madam president" and 1924, "the last man on earth" where all of the men over the age of 14 die of a disease. "the new york times" review of the movie, which was so funny says the woman don't seem grief stricken as they go about their duties with bright faces and weird costumes. i predict that hillary clinton is going to win the election and we might see a melania trump with a bright face. >> and a weird costume. i love it. >> can you top that? >> i can't. it's so not as creative. no movies for me. i think for me it's the rigged -- the election is rigged

rhetoric. right? i think it's incredibly dangerous. jonathan, you talked about it early in one of our segments how it's beyond. it's something that we need to -- which attacks the cornerstone of our democracy. we need to be incredibly careful of that. i would like to see more republican leaders come out and say this week and say, this is not okay. we saw michael steele come on your show today and he stepped up and said, no, this is not what our democracy is all about. that's what i would like to see this week. i think it will happen if he continues this narrative of the -- >> the pressure will be on republicans. >> speaking of chairman steele, he said something that touched on my headline. he said the problem with donald trump is that narratives are -- nair ti narratives of the trump campaign are undermined by tweets. next week, donald trump stomping

on -- stomping all over whatever good thing he does, good thing he does in the debate, he will stomp all over it by saying or doing something that takes attention away from it so it could be a tweet, a statement, an instagram video. i think that's what we're going to be talking about. >> please no instagram video. that is highly likely to occur. >> mine is a hope and a prayer. which is that hillary clinton end her campaign after the debate trying to put real substance behind stronger together. she starts talking to white working class voters who were tempted by trump. not the ones yelling to put her in jail. the quiet, angry voters who have a lot to say about the industrialization, about what happened to their lives. she points out that a lot of people in the inner city, a lot of african-americans have suffered from deindustrialization like them and that she's going to try to bring us together. will it happen? maybe not.

i hope it happens. >> i like the hopeful note. it's in her benefit to start making a positive, affirmative case, even though we are 20 something days out. it couldn't hurt. there's a possibility the headline next week will be trump campaign melts down. the reason i say that is that i think there is more opposition research coming on donald trump. >> definitely. >> there's a fair likelihood "apprentice" tapes come out. we have $5 million on the table. either way, i don't believe that the initial stuff came from the clinton campaign but i don't doubt they have something and they will throw something out there that will cause donald trump to melt down further. i want to play newt gingrich. i think his staff can't control him. you will see the wheels fly off the wagon as people give up trying to control donald trump. >> there's wheels left? >> one. listen to newt gingrich who turns up to be a grown-up about this for his represent ooh rare. >> there's a big trump and a little trump.

the big trump is a historic figure. the big trump is creating issues that make the establishment very uncomfortable. the little trump is stupid. i told him over and over, presidents have to be disciplined. and in that sense, hillary is better trained to be president. it's that she's the most corrupt person to get the nomination of a major party. >> he had throw in the shot at the end. the first part of what he said though is the idea -- i don't like this big trump little trump because we don't want -- >> we don't want -- >> you know, it's an interesting point. >> it's an interesting point, excuse me, and it's sort of -- i believe it reflects my theory that we have donald trump the man on the outside. but truly, a little boy -- i said a few weeks ago, woman don't want to elect a child in chief. you can see some woman having to look at donald trump and say, are your engines running fast or slow? how are you going to make a decision today? are you going to be a grown man

and adult or are you going to throw a temper tantrum? >> you have a big problem in your campaign when the definition of going off message is telling the truth. that's what a lot of trum sp surrogates have a problem with. if they fear toward the critique that makes perfect sense, they are totally off the campaign's message. >> he won't trust them anymore unless they repeat crooked hillary, rigged election. they're required to debase themselves. in order to be a part of his inner circle. >> each time they speak, you can see a layer or go of their humanity stripping away with each appearance. >> the question becomes how long -- you are a former campaign staffer. how long do people want do that? >> there might be trump fatigue. people will have to start thinking about, is this the guy that we want for the next four years? >> absolutely. i think about what the resumes will look like and how many will have donald trump on them. >> what will they look like in the books.

they may run away slowly. >> thank you to all of you. appreciate it. before i go, i do want to take a moment to remember the life of ken thompson, the first african-american district attorney elected in brooklyn, new york. thompson passed away last sunday a few days after publically disclosing that he had cancer. he was just 50 years old. thompson was a tireless fighter for justice. in less than three years as district attorney, he helped to free 21 men and women who had been wrongly convicted. one of them, david mccullum who served 29 years in prison for a murder he did not commit. he spoke saturday at thompson's funeral service. according to the new york post he said, mr. thompson didn't only give me my freedom, he said, mr. thompson gave me my 5-month-old daughter quinn. if he did not that for me, i don't know where he would be. that's one part of his legacy, that his family and colleagues can be proud of. rest in peace.

that's our show for today. we will be back next saturday. up next, the latest on donald trump's claim that the election is rigged. the motive behind it and how it could play out over the next 23 -- just 23 days. more news at the top of the hour.

good day, everyone. it's high noon in the east, 9:00 a.m. out west. here is what's happening. new polls out today, there are telling numbers that give a sense of how the campaign may be turning in key battleground states. >> we're like athletes. right? so athletes, they are making them more and more -- but athletes, they make them take a drug test. >> donald trump comparing himself and hillary clinton to athletes. we will take a look at what exactly he means by that. plus new