>> tonight, donald trump adding more fuel to his fiery and unproven claims that the election is rigged. >> it's one big ugly lie. it's one big fix. >> trump's campaign manager, kel kellyanne conway, joining us live. plus, hillary clinton's challenge as her e-mails are pushed back into the headlines. and the great divide and travel in two place s to tell te story of hillary clinton's america versus trump's america. >> i think you would have to have your head checked if you're going to vote for him. >> this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. and good evening, i'm kristen welker in washington, in for chuck todd. welcome to "mtp daily."

three days until the debate, but it seems that america's faith in our democratic process is being stressed to its breaking point. we've never seen a major party nominee suggest the election is a fraud. and we've never seen the campaign's dirty laundry aired like this. we'll delve into it as the race takes a sharp turn. we begin with the republican nominee donald trump who crosses a line, that even his running mate and his campaign manager dared not cross, questioning the legitimacy of the outcome of the election. we'll go to his campaign manager, kellyanne conway, in a second. they have delved into what they say is unfair coverage, but never before said the vote would be rigged at polling places. the republican leaders basically said there was no way trump

would say that and he was only talking about the media. then trump said this, tweeting today. of course there is largescale voter fraud happening before this and on election day, why do republican leaders deny this? first of all, there is no evidence and neither is there from trump's campaign. we asked for evidence, and there was none. we asked about the supporters yesterday, and they assured voters trump would not cross that line. here is how they explained trump's past comments. take a listen. >> i think what donald trump is talking about is frankly what appears to be the monolithic support by hillary clinton's campaign. the american people are tired of the obvious bias in the national media. that is where the sense of rigged election. >> i think he feels the establishment is against him.

not cheating at the polling place. >> i believe the rigging is at the level of the international establishment. not at the level of stealing votes. >> house speaker paul ryan put out a statement rejecting this kind of conspiracy chatter. saying quote, our democracy relies on the confidence whthat the state will carry out the election with honesty. the claim is something that even republican elections lawyers say is absolute nonsense. i'm joined now by trump campaign manager kellyanne conway, thank you for joining us, really appreciate it. i want to start right there. donald trump making this very serious charge, and my question for you, is it not dangerous and irresponsible to claim that there is going to be large-scale voter fraud without any evidence? and three weeks before election day? >> kristen, you have to look at everything he said about the corrupt system. this is a part of it today, but

he has also strongly spoken out about the collusion between the mainstream media and the clinton campaign and the establishment, certainly. if you look at all the e-mails coming out just today we learned that you have a very high ranking person, the lieutenant at the state department asking the fbi to declassify hillary clinton e-mails, as a quote, quid pro quo, as a corrupt system. >> kelly, i reported on that all day long, the state department said the e-mails were taken out of context. i want to stick to the point at hand since i have you for the interview. he said the election is rigged by the dishonest and distorted media pushing crooked hillary, but also at many polling places. what is he talking about?

>> he talk borded about the rep in the past -- >> he is the nominee of the republican party. is it responsible to talk about something that he has read about in the past without any proof, as you know, the center said there is about as much chance that somebody is going to go to the polls and impersonate another voter, as to get hit by lightning? >> well, that is a liberal viewpoint. you think he is being irresponsible, by the way you posted the question. if you're donald trump and trying to get the message out to the american people and getting stopped every which way, excuse him if he thinks there are different barriers for access to him to talk to the voters. his largest argument continues to be he just can't get fair coverage. responsible journalists said look, donald trump defies

journalistic effective standards. we can just lay all this down to stop this happen. by the way, if the american people were buying it by and large then he would not be tied in the polls, by a new cnn poll, tied in nevada, and in north carolina, within the margin of error. so this is a part of his argument, he has a right to say it. >> kellyanne, we don't have a lot of time and i want to talk to different topics. it's the republican election, attorney chris ashby, who noted there is no proof of this, nyu, loyola, said there is no proof of voter fraud. so my question for you is, on election day will you accept the outlook of this election? including donald trump? >> absent the proof of rigged voting, of course. and hillary clinton believes that tens of millions of

americans are deplorable. by the way, we'll accept the election results if in fact there are no irregularities, if the election numbers are clear. if you're donald trump and want to get one tenth of the positive coverage that hillary clinton gets, it's very frustrating. if we had a level playing field, a semi tilted playing field. i agree with newt gingrich in all of that. but i'll tell you we'll cut through it and deliver the message to the people, we don't have a choice. >> there is no proof there is collusion, you're talking about hillary clinton's e-mails and wikileaks, we have been reporting on it on days now. >> proof of what? >> that there is any media bias that you're talking about. oh, my goodness. >> kelly, let me just talk to you -- >> did you see the donations e-mail, the link today that by a margin of 27-1, journalists,

working reporters have given money to hillary clinton over donald trump? >> kelly, i'm talking about your candidate who is running for president, and you're citing polls, our poll shows that hillary clinton is up by 11 points. a lot of people believe it's been donald trump has done damage to his campaign. >> that is a nationwide poll. >> let me get to the allegations of fraud. he is saying that there already is fraud. we know some of his followers are taking it very seriously. one person, david clark, who is essentially an elected official saying it's incredible that our institutions of government, the white house, congress, doj, and big media are corrupt. pitch forks and torches time. so again, do you not worry that some of his supporters are taking this too far and are ready to take to the streets if they don't get the outcome they want in this election? >> no, i am not.

the only evidence we have is that torches and fire bombs happened at a republican headquarter in north carolina, people writing nazi. i'm glad people denounced it. if you want actual evidence of violence, using firebombs and torches, you can look at yesterday. but i didn't hear it in the example. the fact is there is a lot of heated rhetoric on the left as well. have you read social media, what people have to say? do you follow the threats that people like me get and donald trump gets? >> but he is the republican nominee. he is the republican nominee. and i'm asking you about his rhetoric that he is using. is he not contributing to this environment that a lot of people say feels like a boiling point for a lot of his supporters and democrats as well? >> no, i think you should ask hillary clinton why she stands

by people who describe police as pigs in a blanket, or let's go kill some police officers? i mean, is she responsible for that? we don't hold them accountable for that. but you want us to be held accountable for something that may happen in the future when i'm telling you about something we learned happened today. the fire bomb, i hope you agree -- >> you are right, it has been roundly condemned. >> but that is not a perspective possibility. >> right. >> and -- let me ask you -- >> well, good. >> let me ask you about nine women who have come forward with allegations about sexual misconduct and groping allegations about donald trump. here is what he said about one of the accusers. i want to get your reaction on the other side. >> when you looked at that horrible woman last night, you said i don't think so, oh, i was

with donald trump in 1980, sitting with him on an airplane. and he went after me on the plane. yeah, i'm going to go after. believe me, she would not be my first choice, that i can tell you. man. you don't know. that would not be my first choice. >> kellyanne, do you condone that kind of language? is that the right response? >> it's not how i would answer the question. at the same time, he is very frustrated because he denied these allegations and simply said he did not do it. and frank ly, i know you're cherry picking different quotes, the one that is most important to the viewers as an objective journalist is the one where he denied all the allegations, he said they're fiction and they're not true. i think you will see interviews with his wife later on tonight on two different networks, where she echos that, she says she believes her husband and thinks people are out there for fame or

political purposes, or financial purposes, pushing these lies. and i'll leave it at that. >> and he has said he denies these allegations, as you know there are nine women who came forward. and their stories seem to fit into his own words, what he said back in that tape back in 2005. aren't you concerned that he has essentially laid out the map for sexually assaulting women, and then you have these welcome -- women who are coming forward saying yes, this is what he did. >> i'm concerned that you have all of these issues, what about the issues -- what about national security and the economy and immigration and health care and corruption and ethics in washington. why do the people in washington have a 12% approval rating? i think we're talking about it right here. they have to do an objective

analysis of what got covered. like less than one minute over 60 minutes, the major broadcast networks spent any time at all what happened through the e-mails and wikileaks, what we know about the clinton thinking, and oh, my god, we know she is not warm, still finding her voice. >> and kellyanne again, and we were on that as well. but this is a part of vetting your candidate -- >> this is a part of vetting your candidate. so let me just ask you, we are running out of time for you. you specifically said, and every is the operative word that every survivor of sexual assault deserves to be believed, heard and supported. so do you agree with trump t these victims are in his words, he has called them horrible liars? >> i was tweeting at hillary clinton who has yet to be held to account for her tweet right before bill's victims went out to that second debate. and of course she was asked

about that at the debate and never even answered, and i guess was not held to account to answer. so she has yet to respond to that. i'll read you what she said. i would say that everybody should be believed at first until they are disbelieved after the evidence, end quote. i think she has a point. and all i know is that if people have -- if they have claims, they should -- >> kellyanne, i have one minute left. i want to make sure, i get to one more point, i apologize -- >> does it have anything to do with the electoral map? >> well, it can, donald trump over the weekend said he wants a drug test before the next debate. do you know why he said that? some republicans said it seems like he is making up stuff at this point, and it may have come from alex jones, is that accurate? >> i don't know where it came from, he said it at a rally, he said she is losing her energy,

sort of petering out at the end, you heard his words. >> okay, kellyanne conway, thank you for joining us, we're going to lose you. thank you for your time. and i want to bring in in colleague, a democratic pollster, and rick tyler, an analyst with the campaign, what is your takeaway from that? >> the media is not very popular, everybody knows that. the campaign has a delivered strategy of making the media the enemy. that has been continual. so it's disingenus to say on the one hand you're in this big huge argument with the media, but the problem with the coverage, the so-called equal coverage, hillary clinton would have to go out and hear rallies and talk about her e-mails. and classified information and make jokes about them, because

she would make news all day long. donald trump goes out on the campaign trail and talks about these women and it gets covered. and they wonder why at the get all of this coverage. shou >> yes, and to that point, did you hear anything that kellyanne conway said to hmitigate the allegations, anything in that interview where you think they will came their minds? >> well, i think she validated a lot of women's choices. they did not do two things, she didn't attack the women and didn't defend his statements on the bus. and donald trump has a lot to answer for, and frankly there is for answer for. for a lot of women it is done. there is no answer. i agree with you. he is digging himself in day after day after day. if he wants to talk about

issues, he should talk about issues he may get covered on. the great irony, donald trump made donald trump and now he doesn't like it. >> she said that would not have been how i handled these allegations against women that actually attacked. >> she basically passed it off to melania, she is going to defend. other issues, you kept pressing her on the voter fraud idea, she didn't give examples on that. she kept moving it to, you can tell mike pence and kellyanne want to say the media is bias, and the election is rigged. i agree that the media is probably -- a lot of the media is against donald trump. that is not wrong. that said, it's hard to defend the voter fraud claims. a lot of organizations, there is very little evidence. she can't find this, and donald trump can't find this. the republican party wants them to stop saying this. >> very quickly, before we go, what are the complicated arguments that donald trump is making?

you raise the point he won the nomination. >> well, three things, he won the nomination in the same rigged system that he is running in today. so what changed? the second thing is for his supporters, why would his supporters be encouraged to go out and participate in a rigged election? it seems like it would suppress his own voters. so i don't understand the message on that. >> i think the other thing about it is, the so-called rigged elections are what makes america great. and to go after attacking what makes this country unique and great, the 200-year experiment we have. and then voter turnout -- >> you don't claim rigged elections, if you're winning. >> thank you. >> and coming up, more e-mail issues for the clinton campaign as we have been talking about as the wikileaks fallout continues. the campaign is also answering new questions about the candidate's private e-mail server. and clinton supporters are stumping in a surprise move this

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i said to my husband that you know the language is inappropriate. it's not acceptable. and i was surprised because that is not the man that i know. and as you can see from the tape, the cameras were not on. it was only a mic. and i wonder if they even knew that the mic was on. because they were kind of a boy talk. and he was egged on -- from the host to say dirty and bad stuff. >> you feel the host, billy bush, started egging him on? >> yes. >> that is melania trump

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the clinton campaign is willi being forced to respond today regarding the e-mails. the documents, called 30s, are shorthand notes taken by the fbi during an investigation, released because of a freedom of information request. now republicans are seizing them on a particular note my an outlined discussion, by a ret e retired agent whose name has been redacted. and patrick kennedy, the secretary of state, indicated he had been contacted by patrick kennedy, who said he wanted the documents in an exchange for quid pro quo. another document, reciprocating, by allowing the fbi to place

more agents in the countries where they are presently forbidden. the clinton campaign and the state department deny this happened. it was the fbi that first brought up how many agents were first brought in abroad. they are launching a serious internal investigation into that agent. in a statement today, quote, the classification of the e-mail is not changed although it is classified today. although there was never a quid pro quo, the documents were referred to the appropriate thes for review. i want to bring in my friend and colleague, andrea mitchell, host of msnbc's andrea mitchell report. what do we need to take what? >> you have fbi and the state department fighting over the classification over the e-mails. the fbi and intelligence say they should be more classified, and re-classifying some that had

had not been. and the state department said this is the way we do business, something that should not be classified, simply a name we use here and there. and the fbi basically winning the arguments. so the fact there is a debate or investigation is not anything unusual. in fact, we're told every day, this is an ongoing negotiation. what is unusual is this note from the fbi official saying that the agent's name where this happened, in fact we were told it was exactly the opposite. that the fbi official brought up placing agents in iraq, a country where they have not been able to get in, as an add-on in the conversation with patrick kennedy, who said now i have you on the phone we now have this this to talk about. let me bring this up. they brought it up from the fbi's standpoint, there was no patrick kennedy, or quid pro quo

or linked issues. donald trump in his speech tonight is going to be jumping all over this. >> and what is striking to me in part, andrea, we covered it today. we're three weeks whaway from election day. >> everyone else's e-mails, today, wikileaks has dumped another 1500 pages, bringing its -- 15,200 pages now of her e-mails from john podesta, which has all of these communications, and we just -- this was just published by the russian broadcaster and the russian service before wikileaks dumped them. we have to go through and clean them up because we should not open these potentially suspicious e-mails so it will

take us a while to go through them. this is never-ending, how does she prepare for a debate not knowing what is out there, and the fact that russia is publishing them even before wikileaks, makes it clear the leakage, as suspected. >> and no doubt it will come out before the debate, thank you, andrea, appreciate it. still ahead, rigging the vote. we have a reality check from both sides of the aisle. more mtp daily right after the. e ancestry dna test, i mean a few results came up that were really shocking. 11% of me comes from the part where i had served. we all come from such different backgrounds that you never know. get the deeper story of you at ancestry. get started for free at ancestry.com. i've got a nice long life ahead. big plans. so when i found out medicare doesn't pay all my medical expenses, i looked at my options.

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democrats and some republicans are calling donald trump's voter fraud allegations wrong and even dangerous. >> we run elections, and run them well here. he should not engage in the scare tactics, we have the gop leaders to also stand up for the integrity of the american electoral process. >> and some americans have answered that call, including the ohio secretary of state, saying he intends to vote for donald trump. >> i am in charge of elections in ohio and they will not be rigged. it's one of the bed rocks of american democracy, we should not question it. are there cases of voter fraud? absolutely, it's rare, most of

the times we catch them before their vote is even counted. >> i'm joined by the president of voter speech, thank you for joining us. >> great to be with you. >> so ben, we have been citing these sources throughout the day, the brennan center, loyola, which essentially found that voter fraud is very rare. are we right? is there proof of widespread voter fraud? >> not in person, voter fraud, no, and what john said is absolutely right. look, republican election officials control 30 different states in the election mechanisms within that, in the voting. and so it's -- republicans want this to be a fair election, where every eligible voter gets to have his or her vote counted. >> and michael, there is a concern that this type of rhetoric is essentially playing with fire. voters on both sides are at a

boiling point because there is so many emotions and passions to go along with this election. are you concerned when you hear trump talk about a rigged election it could force this boiling point to really take a negative turn? >> well, i think we should all be concerned when the integrity of the elections and the strength of our democracy are called into question, especially without a scintilla of evidence. i think what ben ginsberg said was absolutely right, there is every reason to have confidence that everybody's vote will be counted. i think this will be a bit of an inflexion point. because one of the reasons that donald trump has been able to gain traction with this, in addition to his willingness to say almost anything, is that we have been hearing about claims of voter fraud for a while and it has been the justification of policies that i think don't make sense. we can have all sorts of

disagreements and agreements about the ins and outs of election law, but i think that everybody should agree that in this day and age there is no evidence of widespread voter fraud in person, just like ben ginberg said, you are as a statistical matter more likely on hit by lightning in the united states than to commit voter impersonation. >> ben, doesn't the message by donald trump that there is voter fraud run the risk of some people staying home, if they think the election is rigged, such as in ohio, the secretary of state saying hey, this is not going to be rigged. you have the close senate race, rob portman's seat is at stake. are some republicans going to say what is the point of going out and voting? >> i think you do have to be concerned, in states like ohio and states where there are battleground senate contests and house races that will determine

the majority, that republicans will get motivated. because one thing that does sort of coalesce republican thought is the need to be sure that there is a republican senate and republican house and republican officials at the state level. >> and michael, just weigh in on that, do you worry there could be sort of depressed voter turnout on both sides because of what we hear from donald trump? >> look, voter turnout in the last election was the lowest in 70 years. we have a lot to do to make people think their votes matter and will be counted. and if it is the strategy aimed at his own voters that is only part of it. i think we want to encourage everybody to vote, everybody who is eligible. and i worry also that it is stirring up as we've seen him encourage people to go be poll watchers. and there is a place for poll watching. but the combination of the

incendiary and often racially charged, as rudy giuliani, could lead to ugly confrontations. we want election integrity, but we do not want and don't need vigila vigilantism. >> you just raised the question about the poll monitors, not unusual to have poll monitors but do you worry to michael's point that we could actually see clashes over this, and is there sort of a latent message there that could be spewinging racial tensions? >> well, i certainly hope not. each state has its set of laws where they could go and vote in the polling places. and what the activities could be in the polling places. so what i believe will happen is that state parties, county parties, local parties will assign poll watchers to different locations.

both democrats and republicans do that. as michael pointed out there is a place for poll watching because that is part of the authentication and the credibility of the contest is to have people observing it. but the bounds of what they can do within the polling place are entirely subscribed by the different state laws. >> all right, thank you so much. great conversation. really appreciate it. and coming up, divided america. we'll go to two counties with two very different out looks on the presidential race. and the country's future. you don't want to miss it. introducing the first-ever infiniti qx30 crossover. visit your local infiniti retailer today. infiniti. empower the drive. i'm not a customer, but i'm calling about that credit scorecard. (to dog)give it.

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we're taking a look at the great american divide, this country is so split up among race and culture that we tend to live among people who think just like we do. "meet the press" traveled to two counties, one that is strongly pro-trump, and one pro-clinton. in either place we find people who just can't imagine why others would vote for the other one. >> donald trump, in ohio, and the median household income is well below the national average, it left the steel industry at 9%. >> i'm to trump. i don't like either one of them, really. but, hillary has so much stuff

against her, i don't see how anybody can vote for her. reasonably. >> he understands jobs, he understands the -- that is what we need. we don't want handouts. we want jobs. >> if you drive the roads anywhere here in southeast ohio, for every hillary sign you will see approximately 15 or more trump signs. >> the county was hit hard when the aluminum plant closed slowly over the last decade, and in the polls, trums business year seems like a shot for the economy. >> right now the economy is in the tank. donald trump creates jobs, you may not like him, he may go bankrupt, the whole nine yards, but everywhere he goes he builds jobs. >> we need a change, and the republicans going against trump right now need to be thrown out of office anyhow. >> there is a sense here that it will take a trump to make monroe

great again. >> the first thing you learn when you get your driver's license or actually as you grow up is if you want to go anywhere you're going to drive for an hour. do we like it here? sure. will our children come back? probably not. >> it's a very different reality. just 300 miles to the east in hillary clinton's america, a place like arlington county, virginia. here only 30% of the people are white. the robust economy here means an unemployment rate below 3%. here there is disdain for donald trump. >> i would never vote for donald trump, i don't support him. i think his comments are horrible. a despicable person shs i don't understand how people are voting for him. >> nothing surprises pe about him. i think what surprises me is that people see him -- to put it

aside and still support him for other reasons. >> hillary is not perfect, but i don't think she will destroy the country. >> here there are bustling streets, and lots of opportunities for people to spend money. here, people think america is still great. >> i grew up on the east coast, and on the east coast and most of the west coast you're in a different place than the rest of the country. >> i think it's more of an anti-trump thing. >> i think now given her competition is donald trump, i think you would have to have your head checked if you were going to vote for him. >> we kind of know the difference between a blowhard and a diplomat. >> fascinating discussion there. we'll have more on the deep divisions at the ballot box. stay with us. because if you let yourself embrace them, you'll never forget them.

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republicans is that those pro-trump counties are smaller in size, while the clinton ones are actually growing becoming increasely democratic and turning the red states blue. thanks guys, for sticking around. perry, let me start with you. what did you just make for what we saw how the country is divided? >> i find the division to be a worry, it used to be we were divided by policy in some ways, big government, small government. this is really between college non-educated whites and non-whites, you can tell people are going to vote on those characteristics. you can find people who are not voting for trump, they think they can tell who they know the non-trump voters are based on look. and these divides are becoming more common based on class and

race. >> america is becoming more polarized. voters in ohio are more threatened by the changes. there was a real age difference between the counties, too. but i think what america is really looking for you just saw, i think we're going to see a potentially close race or at least we're going to seize those divides play out, right? >> you'll see it -- what's happening is, it's -- americans don't even need to -- liberals don't eat at the same restaurants, don't watch the same movies, don't go on the same vacations, don't go to the same places, don't shop at the same stores and don't listen to the same music. you can literally get up at a conservative every day and never listen to a liberal point of view and you can wake up a liberal and never listen to a conservative point of view. that's sad. we used to listen to a much more narrow media and then argue it out. but now you don't have to listen to anybody you don't agree with.

they live in two totally different universes. so when someone in arlington county who makes an average of $100,000 a year don't understand people in appalachia, you've got to say, wait a minute. and part of our plan with ted cruz is we were going to win those voters, those white, uneducated voters. we were going to work very hard to get them. and we had them. >> you were winning them over. >> we were winning them. but donald trump, ultimately, had the message that i'm the real outsider, not hard to do when you're a candidate, and they believed him over ted cruz, but we were going to do it in a plus way, so we would get hispanics and african-americans and asia americans and women in addition to them, as opposed to just them. >> i want to look at the broader state of the race right now, some of our recent polls, secretary clinton has opened up an 11-point lead nationally in our nbc news four-way race. if you look at the monmouth poll, four-way race, secretary clinton leads 30 to 48%.

perry, it ain't over until it's over, we know that, as yogi berra would say, but this is a tough climb for donald trump at this point. >> we're in uncharted territory. first of all, the map is changing in some ways. trump in the cnn poll is still ahead in ohio. more likely for hillary to win north carolina than ohio. a big change from before. but also, michelle obama is going to arizona on thursday. she's like, in some ways, the best surrogate of the campaign, in the fact that she's going to that state tells you that robby mook is saying, we're trying to expand the map and spin money down ballot. essentially saying, we're confident that we're going to spend money on houses in a race. this election, we could see some big changes. the house is probably going to stay republican, but not totally determined yet. >> so is it possible for secretary clinton to win a state like arizona. they're also eyeing indiana, missouri, utah, georgia. do you think she can pick up some of these -- some people are saying utah is never going to happen. >> all those on the third party candidate. yes, it's totally possible. and i think what's good about

this is that it's going to be a broader mandate. because going back to your original question, we don't want america and america doesn't want to be divided come january 27th. we want to be united. so a broader mandate to get moving again is very important for the next four years. >> in the positive/negative sense, i don't think we're going to get a mandate. even if she was overwhelmingly by electoral votes, she's not going to have. this is not a wave election of everybody's for hillary. it's, you know, i have more people despise you as opposed to more people despise me. that's not very healthy. before we get to election day, we have the third and final debate coming up on wednesday. rick, i've been talking to some of my republican and democratic sources. it seems like trump is preparing in the same way he prepared before. secretary clinton is, as well. and she might try to do more of what she did in that second debate to try to stay a little bit above the fray, direct him to her website. smart strategy or do you think she needs to be tough? >> i think what donald trump will do, give the same type of performance he did before.

his base will absolutely love it. but it won't raise the ceiling. he won't get beyond the base. it seems to me, he's going to use that debate to protect more of his reputation, like he has to correct the record. and he's going to end up doing the opposite. >> celinda, what do you think she needs to do? >> i totally agree with you. i think what she needs to do is lay out ore agenda. and voters are sick of hearing about this. they want to hear what your vision is. what about hearing my family for a change instead of your family. >>ic that's a great point. >> she should talk as little as possible. this is an election about donald trump. let him talk, let him make controversial remarks. >> and i will leave you with the final word. all right, perry, celinda and rick, thank you so much for being here. appreciate it, guys. great conversation. after the break, in case you missed it, a new development on what might be the first fight for the next president. stay tuned.

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in case you missed it, and with the presidential campaign dominating the airways, you may have, there's still only eight justices on the supreme court. that's one fewer than we need. arizona governor john mccain talked about the fight over the vacancy today. >> i promise you that we will be united against any supreme court nominee that hillary clinton hillary clinton, if she were president, would put up.

i promise you. this is where we need the majority. >> that comment raising some eyebrows. until now, the republican party line and the reason for the delay in filling the seat is that the next president should get to fill the vacancy. >> let's give them a voice. let's let the american people decide. if senate will appropriately revisit the matter when it considers the qualifications of the nominee, the next president nominates whoever that might be. >> that's, of course, mitch mcconnell, as republicans were making that gamble, hoping the that the next president would be a republican. but now republicans are facing the possibility of hillary clinton appointing the next supreme court justice. a mccain spokesperson softened those comments, says that the senator will, quote, thoroughly examine the record of any supreme court nominee put forward the senate. but, it raises the question,

would senate republicans filibuster clinton's supreme court nominee, no matter what? and would senate democrats use the nuclear option on her pick? well, i think we know one thing that the hill will be fighting about, after inauguration. that is all for tonight. we'll be back tomorrow with more "mtp daily." "with all due respect" starts right now. >> i'm john heilemann and i'm mark halperin. with all due respect to tom brady, would you say that your enthusiasm for donald trump has deflated? on the program tonight, donald trump's rigged rhetoric and republicans are shouting quid prowhoa! today the right wing went wild over new documents that there was change to one of the classification of clinton's secret