i'll be there later tonight with all of us in place for tomorrow. i'm thomas roberts. kate snow picks things up now. and i'll get to caesar's and save you a seat. >> will you please? i'm on the flight, see you there. we'll have lots of time. thank you, i'm kate snow. don't blink. there are three weeks now until election day. and it's another busy one in the political world. as we say, 24 hours until that final presidential debate. hillary clinton is with her team in las vegas getting ready while donald trump sticks to making his case to crowds out on the trail. right now he's about to take the stage in colorado springs facing falling poll numbers and brand new corroborating witnesses to what one woman says was a sexual assault. one big message he's been trying to get across, that this election and the american voting system in general, donald trump says, is rigged against him. earlier today president obama addressed that allegation

head-on. >> that is both irresponsible. and by the way, it doesn't really show the kind of leadership and toughness that you would want out of a president. you start whining before the game's even over? and so i would invite mr. trump to stop whining and go try to make his case to get votes. >> let's start the hour out in colorado springs where donald trump is about to speak at a rally. nbc's katy tur standing by for us. katy, what do we expect? >> reporter: we expect donald trump to continue what he's been doing, calling out what he calls a corrupt system. saying that the system is rigged against a change candidate like him because the establishment is trying to protect its own interests. hillary clinton is the head of this is what donald trump is trying to hammer home, that she is the one that is going to further the status quo, further protect her own interests and further protect her friends. the special interests, protect people like the banks.

they are also talking about how the media is in on this. the media is in on the fix, if you will. we just heard general keith kellogg and mike flynn, both on trump's foreign policy advisory team, address that to the crowd here, saying that the media has a double standard, that they are treating donald trump much differently than they are treating hillary clinton. focusing on his scandals or his anti-politician language that he uses on the campaign trail. but the campaign is really struggling right now to come out from underneath a deluge of scandal, especially when it comes to the accusations of now a number of women who have said that donald trump behaved inappropriately with them sexually. we just heard about "people" magazine coming out with six people who say that natasha stoynoff told them about her experience witness donald trump and what happened in that room. donald trump is now taking the stage. and it is so loud that i cannot

hear my own voice. so i'm going to toss it back to you, kate. >> katy tur, we could hear you. thank you so much. as we watch donald trump take the stage. by the way, we'll be speaking with an editor for "people" magazine coming up in this hour to give more details on what katy just mentioned. let's take a few minutes and listen in to donald trump one day before the final presidential debate. ♪ god bless the usa >> thank you, everybody. wow. thank you. that's a big crowd. thank you. in 21 days we are going to win the state of colorado.

and we're going to win the white house. we're going to take it back. and while i'm at it, make sure you mail in those ballots before election day. early voting starts on the 24th. got to mail them in. but get there, november 8th. i would like to also start today by recognizing the incredible military contributions of colorado springs. a place i actually know very well. one of the most beautiful places, by the way. we have such amazing people working in ft. carson. peterson air force base, the united states space command, norad, craver air force base and the united states air force academy, good place. i have many friends that went to the air force academy, all very smart. they love the airplanes, that i can tell you.

the counselor and selflessness of our service members and their devotion to each other and to their country are the traits that we need to make america great again. great people. together we're going to deliver real change that puts america first. you don't hear that term very much. weapon don't hear that term very much anymore, do we? america first. if i win, it's going to be america first every single time, that i can tell you. believe me. we're going to end the government corruption and we're going to drain the swamp in washington, d.c. we are going to renegotiate our terrible trade deals and illegal immigration. stop the massive inflow of refugees from other countries,

reduce surging crime, cut taxes big league and end regulations. unleash job-producing american energy, rebuild our great military which sadly has become very depleted, but the greatest people on earth. we are going to take care of our veterans like they have never been taken care of before. and repeal and replace the disaster known as obamacare. your jobs will come back under a trump administration. your incomes will go up under a trump administration. your taxes will go down under a trump administration. your country's -- i'll tell you, your country is so proud of you,

but right now we have to help our country. we have to help our country. it is under siege in so many ways. by the way, you could almost say, especially from the dishonest media, that's for sure. very dishonest. your companies won't be leaving colorado under a trump administration. they'll be expanding and there will be new companies coming in. right now we're not growing at all in our nation. you look at the jobs report, a disaster last week, a jobs report, total disaster. look at our gnp, total disaster. under my plan we are going to grow at 4%. right now we are at under 1%. china is at 7%. india's at 8%. we're at 1%. and it's going to be going down if we keep -- if hillary clinton

gets in, you will set record lows, believe me. that i can tell you. we're going to create at least 25 million new jobs in ten years. and by the way, did you see the protestors yesterday? the protestors are paid a lot of money by the dnc. i kept saying, i wonder why those people are here because they never have much on their mind other than to stand up and protest. and yesterday it came out, but it was barely covered by the media, but it's all over the internet. they were busted. they were paid $1500 each and were given cell phones. go up and disturb trump rallies. and i sort of always knew, in chicago, even last night, we had people stand up for no reason. it's like, what are they doing here? and can you imagine, that's a big story. hardly covered by the media.

we're also going to create a new government that answers to the people. hillary clinton -- hillary clinton is the most corrupt person ever to run for the presidency. >> lock her up! lock her up! lock her up! lock her up! >> she shouldn't be allowed to run for the presidency after what she has done, i'll tell you. it's true. >> donald trump speaking in colorado springs. we're going to go ahead and have producers listen in, listen to what he's saying out there. we'll bring you any news he makes, if he makes any comments on some of the news in the current cycle. but we should talk about the people in that audience that you hear yelling out in support of donald trump. nbc news has been talking with

trump supporters just about every time he holds a rally, for months and months now, and i want to bring in nbc's jacob rascone speaking to trump supporters earlier today. jacob, you talked to them about trump calling the election rigged. he keeps using that word. and you asked the voters what they would do if they would win the election. how many voters did you talk with? >> reporter: so on camera i talked to five, but at every rally i talk to dozens of people and get the news of the day. when they talk about the rigged election, most of them say it is the media being cozy with hillary clinton and part of a conspiracy. sometimes they will talk about whether there's actual election fraud at polling places. here they don't have that possibility because it's mail-in, but some of them do. they all disagree on exactly why. but they believe donald trump, they buy the argument that it's rigged. i don't know if we have a sound

bite to play of this, let's go ahead. >> i believe november 9th, if they say hillary clinton's won, there will be an up rest probably like we have never seen. and i think it will be deserved. >> reporter: would you participate in that? >> yes, sir, i will show up. and i will voice my voice in any way i feel god is wanting me to do. >> now don't get us wrong, we're not talking about burning buildings and stuff like that. it's a peaceful protest. but the thing is, we have a voice. america has a voice. and we want it heard. >> reporter: to be clear, i want to say that most trump supporters we talked to, they don't say they will actually be involved in any uprising, any taking up arms or pitch forks or anything like that, but they all sometimes get angry at the thought of hillary clinton becoming president. most of them do sincerely seem to believe that the polls are wrong, that there is an

undercurrent of trump support that will show up november 8th that is not showing up in the current polls. and a lot of them haven't really decided what they would do. they don't even want to go there sometimes in their mind. >> jacob, interesting to get the pulse on that. thank you so much. we'll turn to the clinton campaign now. msnbc's casey hunt is out in las vegas ahead of tomorrow's big debate. kasie, no public events today in contrast to donald trump. she's prepping for the debate, but what are you hearing from your sources? how is she preparing? and what are they expecting, gosh, a lot of people talking about what can we expect tomorrow night. >> reporter: i think that the clinton campaign is ready for a replay of what we saw in the second debate from the perspective of being thrown some sort of last-minute curve ball that they'll have to figure out how to roll with. now, she is on the plane, has been on the plane flying out here to las vegas with the reporters that travel with her. she's been doing intensive debate prep over the past couple of days. she's huddled with aides and

done the traditional late-night practice that coincides exactly with the time of the debate. they feel like this has worked really well for them for the past two debates and they are hoping to repeat it in the third. but we are learning from her communications director that she's planning to ramp up her schedule over the next week or so, including the event with elizabeth warren. and there's also a lot of talk about arizona. some speculation and the clinton campaign is considering having hillary clinton herself do an event in arizona. we know michelle obama is going out there for the campaign. the campaign is making major investments from a financial perspective in the state. this is part of their overall shift in strategy to expand the map beyond where it is right now and to try to help out some of the downed ballot candidates that could help democrats retake the senate. of course, there is the senate race in arizona, john mccain fighting to hang on to his seat. there's a chance that democrats

going into arizona could help his opponent and could put kirkpatrick back on the map. at this point the hillary clinton campaign is worried about executing the strategy they laid out for themselves. i do think it is interesting they have shifted a little bit to focus a little bit more on down ballot races. they have changed how they are talking about some of these senate races. i think because they have realized that they are getting pressure from those folks to do a little more of that. and also it would make governing a heck of a lot easier. kate? >> kasie hunt following the clinton campaign. thank you so much. and coming up as we mentioned a moment ago, "people" magazine now saying that six witnesses can authenticate a former writer's sexual misconduct allegations against donald trump. i'll be joined by one of "people's" editors right after this break. intelligent one. ♪ the highly advanced audi a4, with available virtual cockpit.

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the "people" magazine editor who said donald trump kissed and groped her while interviewing he and his wife melania has six friends corroborating her story. this was published in "people" magazine this afternoon. donald trump denied all the allegations mate against him by multiple women, including the "people" magazine former writer. joining me is charlotte trigg. thank you for joining me on short notice. natasha is one of a number of women who came forward. she said this happened in 2005 in a room alone. no witnesses there. you have just published this new article backing her up with detailed accounts from six colleagues. can you characterize the six for us? >> it's a combination of very close friends and colleague who is knew about the situation going as far back as 2005. these are people she came back to new york and immediately

told. we have a former journalism professor of her's who she called in tears the night it happened and asked advice for what she should do. and he told us he advised her not to talk about it because donald trump would surely go after her and try to destroy her career. so that was one of the reasons she never came forward. another one of the witnesses, the people we have spoken to, is liza hertz. she was on the street with natasha when natasha ran into melania. that's a sticking point, melania never admits running into her, but this person remembers in great detail their encounter. >> and that was months after the initial article was written. and melania disputes that and said they never ran into each other again and has no recollection of that. to be clear, i want to be clear on one thing, no one in the six new people coming forward, no one saw this incident happen, is that right? >> these wrote not people physically in the room because he took her into the room alone, yes. so these are people that knew about it at the time.

>> as you know, donald trump has questioned why your writer would not include what happened in her original report back in 2005. let me play what he said. >> here's my question about the dishonest writer from "people" magazine. why didn't she write what happened before she wrote the story in why didn't she put it in the story? the story would have been one of the big stories. i was the big star of "the apprentice." why didn't she do it 12 years ago? she's writing a story -- now think of this, think of this, she's a liar. she's a liar. she's writing a story, check out her facebook page. you'll understand. >> charlotte, did editors at "people" know at the time in 2005 that this has happened. did she tell them and they chose not to include it? >> several colleagues did know that it had happened. however, it did not get reported to upper management.

so the lead editor of the magazine at the time was never aware this happened. natasha's closest friend at the magazine, liz o'neal, advised her and said to kill the story rather than to expose what has happened, because that would bring all kinds of other issues. but natasha didn't want to make an issue to the of it and didn't report it further. and natasha's friends at the magazine felt compelled to keep her secret for her because it was her incident, it wasn't their place to say. they were very protective of her. so nobody reported it up the chain. and it's just not something that was ever publicly known to that degree. and she didn't want to expose herself to the retaliation. that's part of why she never thought to include it in the story at all. >> i want to play one more bit of sound in fairness for melania trump last night on cnn about this particular story. here's what she said. >> the story that came out in

"people" magazine, the writer that she said that my husband took her to the room and start kissing her. she wrote in the same story about me, that she saw me on fifth avenue, and i said to her, natasha, how come we don't see you anymore? i was never friend with her. i would not recognize her. >> she said it never happened. >> right. well, we have an eyewitness who has decided to be named, liza hertz, who was there visiting natasha from canada and said that she vividly remembers this. to her it would be a celebrity sighting, something exciting to see. and she recalls that melania was wearing high heels while holding baron and remembers this in vivid detail and we absolutely stand by that. >> have you or anyone at "people" magazine had any contact with the hillary clinton campaign on this story? >> we obviously have a reporter who is assigned to hillary

clinton, but we have not been talking to hillary about this story. >> so when donald trump -- i'm asking in all seriousness because donald trump has several times suggested that the women who have come forward, including your writer, have been pushed forward by the clinton campaign or encouraged in some way. >> that's really absurd. the reason natasha decided to come forward and discuss this this time was because he distinctive lie in the debate when he said he never acted on the words that he said in those "access hollywood" tapes about groping and kissing women. he said he never acted on it, it was just locker room talk. she knew it was a lie and felt the moral discussion to let the american people know. >> did she consider going to the police 11 years ago? >> i don't believe that was something she wanted to do. again, she had discussed it with various friends at the time and was very much worried about the ramifications of what would happen. and i don't think she considered it to be a crime. it certainly didn't strike her as something that was worth

blowing her whole life up over. so no, she didn't go to the police about it. that wasn't something that she felt she needed to do or should do. >> charlotte trigg, thank you for coming in. i want to welcome in a.j. delgado, thank you for being here. nice to see you. >> nice to see you. >> we have just heard the "people" editor, you heard me play sound from donald trump and melania where they refute this. are all of these six people they now have backing up natasha's story, do you believe they are all lying? >> well, i have to correct you on something. they are not backing up natasha's story, nor has the language as i've been watching the programming today, saying this story has been corroborated or authenticated. it has not. her story she was groped has not

been corroborated. let's be clear. >> if you were listening a moment ago, i asked the "people" editor, did anyone see this happen besides natasha and she said no. these are people who heard the story that night or days following or in some cases in years following heard the story. so i'm sorry, your point is that they did not hear this story, you think they are all making it up. >> no, that natasha told them that this happened, apparently that happened according to these witnesses. she told them. that is separate from whether this actually happened. and whether what she claims happened has actually been corroborated. no, it hasn't. in fact, it has been debunct. let's recall that she said the butler walk in on them. the butler came on to say that never happened. it's bull crap to quote his own words. the only thing corroborated here and awe tent kauthenticated is woman came to new york and said this happened. whether it has happened has not been corroborated and rather

debunct. i can say something happened and tell my friends, hey, this person did this to me last week. that can be corroborated that i said it. now, whether it actually happened is what needs to be corroborated. and it has not been. it's been debunct. >> okay. melania trump finally spoke this morning about comments and last night in interviews about comments from her husband about the "access hollywood" video. i want to play some sound of melania trump talking about the tape that came out. >> those words, they were offensive to me and inappropriate. and he apologized to me. and i accept his apology. and we are moving on. >> what do you say to female voters that haven't been able to get past it. >> my husband is kind, he's a gentleman. he cares about people. he cares about women. he's not the man that we saw on

the tape. >> she makes the case for her husband. why wait until now with three weeks to go for her to do these big interviews? >> listen, melania trump is a wonderful mother, first and foremost. and she spends most of her time in her private life with her son. she shuns the spotlight and doesn't wish to be in the spotlight. unfortunately, she's been dragged into this horrific false smear and the scandalous accusation against mr. trump. and was essentially forced to sit down in what must have been an uncomfortable interview for her. i'm really impressed, as is most of america, with her grace and elegance she showed in speaking about this, when she really shouldn't have to. this shouldn't have been the story that it became for as many days as the media focused on it. rather than focusing on issues the american public cares about. but she spoke on it and says she has forgiven him and moved on. the nation is moving on.

i hope that we as a country and media can continue the 20 remaining days to focus on issues that matter to the american voter. >> a.j., let me mention the issue your candidate keeps bringing up on the trail and just brought it up in colorado springs, which is what he called a rigged system. he's questioning whether we're going to have an accurate and fair election. you've got just a few weeks to go. and president obama this afternoon kind of pushed back pretty hard against trump on this. let me play what president obama said and get you to respond. >> sure. >> that is both irresponsible. and by the way, it doesn't really show the kind of leadership and toughness that you would want out of a president. you start whining before the game's even over? so i would invite mr. trump to stop wiping and go to try to make his case to get votes. >> what is your response? >> well, it isn't whining, it is cautioning about something that

historically factually has happened. in the 1960s presidential election, the 1987 mayoral election in miami, heritage foundation's daily signal has 430 cases of convictions about voter fraud. so this is something that unfortunately happens in our system. mr. trump is simply cautioning against it. and hopefully we can have a vigilant process of proper process where things run the course in the way they're supposed to. as for the system being rigged, he's largely referring to the media. kate, when we looked at the recent night of abc, cbs and nbc coverage, over 66 minutes of air time, only less than a minute focused on the wikileaks revelations. who wouldn't look at that and say, listen, the system is rigged to help hillary clinton? and all we're hoping is that, hey, the system plays out and this election plays out, every vote counts and nobody feels disenfranchised and that the american voter really has their say. >> to go back to what you said about fraud, nobody is disputing that it does occasionally

happen. i think what people are disputing including republicans, by the way, are saying it doesn't happen on a widespread basis. the cases you just mentioned are fairly small numbers when you think about the millions and millions of people who vote in this country every year. would you agree? >> well, i think even when you have one case that's a problem. but the 430 cases i mentioned are actual convictions. think how bad it is and how it could be somewhat considered widespread in a way or systemic when you actually have 430 convictions. it's pretty hard to get a conviction on voter fraud. it has to be pretty egregious. >> to be clear, those convictions are not always for votes actually cast, right? those convictions -- >> it could be anything, really. it doesn't have to be for votes that weren't cast. voter fraud can take many forms. if you think of the 430 actual convictions, how many are even brought as cases? >> but doesn't that prove the system is working, a.j.? that there were convictions that people were caught trying to commit voter fraud and were

caught and convicted of a crime? doesn't that prove that our system does work? >> that's why i'm saying, there are murder convictions, so murder is not a problem in the country. no, the fact that there are hundreds of convictions show that there is a problem. and also that there are many who are never brought or tried. and there is no conviction. this is a systemic issue. all mr. trump is saying, listen, let's make sure the process plays out the way it should. let's be vigilant. and i think this is something that democrats and republicans alike should applaud. there's nothing wrong with calling for a process to play out the way it should and caution against that not happening. >> we showed a number on the screen, i just want to refer to it to tell people what that was, that is layola did a study and found 31 cases of fraudulent voting in elections between 2000 and 2014 out of more than a billion, 1 billion with a "b" votes. so not a large number of actual votes. let me just read one thing, that a philadelphia republican city official said yesterday.

this is a republican. the threat to the integrity of elections is irresponsible accusations that undermine confidence in the electoral process. he's sort of making the same point that president obama made. are you not undermining people's confidence in the system? >> no. i'm remining people of history. the 1960 presidential election was largely swayed based on voter fraud in chicago under mayor daley. i'm sorry i have to bring this up, but this is an actual historical fact. when people say, it rarely happens. you know what? you might be right, it might be rare, but when it does happen, it's huge. and it is influential and it does change the outcome of the elections. in 1997, the mayoral election in miami had to overturn the results because of 5,000 fraudulent absentee ballots. and you might say, well, a.j., that's only 5,000 ballots out of billions cast. but it changed the outcome of the election, kate. so yes, every vote matters. and we see that even a minuscule

case of voter fraud can change that. >> didn't they change the law after that case in miami? >> i'm not sure what they did about the law. my point is in that situation they had to overturn actual results because of factual fraud. it does have an impact and something to be vigilant about. >> i understand the history. i guess i keep coming back to, what is your candidate suggesting? that this is going to happen again in three weeks? is that what you're suggesting, we'll have a repeat of 1960 chicago? >> well, to be vigilant. listen, chris matthews, an anchor on your network which i greatly respect, has spoken of the widespread voter fraud. in philadelphia, i don't see any of you kind of bulking or fanning outrage when chris matthews said it or arlen specter who spoke for years about the problem of voter fraud. apparently it's only when donald trump brings up the issue of voter fraud it is considered egregious to say this. he's saying to be course, let's

to chris matthews and the late arlen specter and see what happened in the 1960 election and make sure it doesn't happen this time. democrat, republican, let's applaud that and come together with a proper good election this year. >> a.j. delgado, thank you for your time today. >> thank you, kate. up next, more on melania trump's defense of her husband's comments about women. comments she calls, quote, boy talk. will this help his position with female voters? a voting bloc he's struggling with. when i come back, i'll pose that to the highest ranking woman in president reagan's white house.

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as you can see from the tape, the cameras were not on. it was only a mike. and i wonder if they even knew that the mike was on. because they were kind of a boy

talk. and he was lead on, like, egg on, from the host to say dirty and bad stuff. >> you feel the host, billy bush, was sort of egging him on? >> yes. yes. >> that was melania trump last night defending her husband over that leaked 2005 tape in which he made vulgar comments about women. melania told cnn's anderson cooper she thought that then "access hollywood" host billy bush was egging trump on. and she called the comments, quote, boy talk. for more i want to bring in linda chavez, a former reagan official, syndicated columnist and chairwoman for the center for equal opportunity. we should just note you're a republican, but not a trump supporter. let me talk about the 2005 tape, which is sort of changing the face of this election and the discussion that we're having. and melania coming out on several interview last night and this morning and talking about it. do you think that was helpful? >> i actually don't think it was

helpful. in fact, it is a mystery to me why the campaign would continue to drag out this story, which is exactly what they're doing by putting melania on there. the people who are voting for trump believe that he can do no wrong. and, you know, he once famously said he could walk down fifth avenue and shoot someone and people would still vote for him. well, the more we learn about him, the more it appears that that statement is accurate. >> a.j. delgado said in our last block she thinks melania's a mother and wife and is busy and doesn't want to be in the public face of this campaign. behind the scenes, you have worked on campaigns, do you think the campaign put her out there because they were worried about the impact of the tape? >> well, i think they probably want to soften his image. and i think her lying, that she's forgiven him and he asked for forgiveness from the american people, if they had done that and if he had truly apologized a day or two after the tape was released, we

wouldn't be in this position today. but instead, he went on the national debate and he basically called, you know, himself a liar saying, no, i never did this to any woman. and now we have, you know, depending on whose count it is, 9, 12, who knows how many women out there. it is hard to keep count of them who have come forward to say, yes, in fact, he did act this way. and frankly, i find melania's saying that this is all boy talk and that she blames billy bush and she blames howard stern, i'm sorry, melania was on the howard stern show with donald trump in 1999 telling mr. stern that she was wearing almost nothing and then bragging about how many times a day she and donald have sex. so, you know, this idea that she is this paragon of rectitude and would never want her husband to be doing these things flies in

the face of the tapes. >> let's talk about the other issue that is really front and center today. and that is the whole notion of donald trump talking about a rigged election. house speaker paul ryan over the weekend put out a statement that read, our democracy relies on confidence in election results and the speaker is fully confident the states will carry out this election with integrity. and then just this morning, here's what donald trump said on abc. >> i don't want to be knocking paul ryan. i think he could be more supportive to the republican nominee. i think we're doing well and can win the election. >> do you think he wants you to win the election? >> maybe he wants to run in four years or maybe he doesn't know how to win. >> paul ryan condemned the tape from 2005. but he has not unendorsed donald trump. what do you make of that, this whole dynamic between trump and ryan? >> well, it's interesting, of course, trump was in wisconsin. and so i think in some ways he softened his rhetoric towards trump. i mean, he's called him a loser.

he did refer to speaker ryan not knowing how to win. but the fact is, paul ryan has an agenda that is very much in keeping with mainstream conservativism. it is an agenda that i fully endorse. it's an agenda that most conservatives endorse. and frankly, if trump were by some strike of lightning happened to find himself in the oval office, he would need paul ryan. and he would need members of congress to be supportive of his agenda. so i don't see what trump gets out of knocking the highest elected official in the land who happens to be a republican. >> it's popular with his voters, i would say. that's probably the answer to that. linda chavez, chairman of the center for equal opportunity, the former reagan official. thank you for your time today. appreciate it. >> thank you. up next, the battle for evangelical voter. the voting bloc for decades reliably republican. this year a bit more up for grabs. our chris jansing is joining us

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the cadillac ct6. evangelical christians now fractured since donald trump became a standard barrier for the party. while most of the religious rights ageing old guard has chosen to stand by mr. trump, it's judgment and authority are being challenged by an increasingly assertive crop of younger leaders, minorities and women. i'm join bid one of the largest evangelical churches in atlanta, georgia. chris, you have been speaking with religious leaders there, what are they saying? >> reporter: they are talking about it not being a monolithic vote anymore. when you look at the history, republicans have gotten 89% of

the evan yell cagelical votes. but now they are looking at issues that were different from the folks before. one young man called one of the pastors that i talked to about how he had volunteered to help syrian refugees get placed here in the united states. and when he heard what donald trump had to say about it, it wasn't something he could get on board with. doc hollings worth is the pastor here at this beautiful church. first of all, thank you for allowing us to come here, a gorgeous place. you have to stand up there on sundays behind the pulpit. how difficult is it when so many americans, s.o.s., evangelicals are conflicted on what they are seeing and hearing. what is the tightrope you have to walk now? >> that's a great question. it's a tightrope. actually, the right curve of the presidential politics doesn't actually come into the congregation, but the incivility of the public discourse seeps

in. so when we talk about significant issues, it is hard to treat others with other opinions as not evil, but just because they have another opinion. because so much of the national rhetoric is that right now. but my challenge from the pulpit, it's a mixed congregation. there are no singular congregations in terms of politics, right? but the real challenge is that the bible is a political book. it is a really disruptive book in terms of politics. so the challenge is, how do you keep the sharp edges on the gospel and not fall into any kind of partisan language about those political issues. >> words i heard from the ev evangelicals i talked to, including pastors, words like envy and humility, and all the words of people who know the bible know that is where the conflict is coming from? >> not so much.

it is that the bible supports -- for instance, you have to deal with issues of the poor. you've got issues of how we're going to treat people who were born -- >> reporter: immigration, essentially. >> immigration of birth. the bible speaks to all those issues and also speaks to personal morality and speaks to how we conduct ourselves with personal responsibility. so when you start to speak to those issues, it can sound like you're speaking to one political platform. but that's not the case. we are not doing partisan work from the pulpit. we are trying to do the work that the bible is doing. and it's a hard word. >> reporter: pastor hollingsworth, thank you so much. you translate it into this inner struggle that so many evangelicals have told me that they are having. and how does it play out politically? well, kate, in a state like georgia, our numbers show 56% of registered voters here identify as evangelicals.

if you're the republican candidate, if you're donald trump, you're looking at, first of all, those changes that have to do with demographics. but also the rhetoric that he has used. and it can make a difference. it's why in some difference. it's why in some of these states suddenly something that was for so long a red state is potentially turning blue, kate. >> so interesting. chris jansing in a beautiful spot. thank the pastor again for allowing us in there. >> will do. from evangelicals to millenials. the majority say they're with hillary clinton, but that only helps her if they show up to vote on november 8th. you're watching msnbc, the place for politics. ol. so i asked about tresiba®. ♪ tresiba® ready ♪ tresiba® is a once-daily, long-acting insulin that lasts even longer than 24 hours. i want to trim my a1c. ♪ tresiba® ready ♪ tresiba® provides powerful a1c reduction. releases slow and steady. works like your body's insulin.

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trump at 20%, but a new usa today article asks will millennials vote. susan page co-authored the article. nice to see you. >> great to be with you. >> you mention hillary clinton has a problem of generating enthusiasm among millennials, i've heard her people concede that, while trump's problem is outright rejection. still among those that do support him, what did you find? >> we find only 20% of millennials support donald trump, that's way below the record. bob dole set the record for lack of support among young people, 30% in a three way race in 1996. donald trump is well below that. hillary clinton has stronger support than barack obama got in 2008 but he got a lot of enthusiasm, she just doesn't have it. enthusiasm peaked in march when bernie sanders was in the race,

went down in august a bit more in this poll. and they're more likely to say my vote doesn't matter. the number that say that has gone up nine points since january. i think we see the clinton campaign trying to respond by sending out michelle obama, barack obama, elizabeth warren and bernie sanders to campaign for her. >> not just younger voters but male verse female. younger women are less likely than male counterparts to support hillary clinton which might surprise people. >> kate, it surprised me. we looked at the full sample, not just likely voters but the group of millennials. 60% supported clinton, just 47% of young women. young men would say i support her because she's a groundbreaking candidate, first woman nominated for the presidency by a major party. that's an issue that mattered more in the poll to young men than young women.

that was a surprise to me. >> third and final presidential debate tomorrow night. millennial s said trump seemed less trustworthy, less human. can he reverse that tomorrow? >> this has been a tumultuous election. i would be reluctant to say things couldn't change because they changed so much. he has a herculian task ahead and the kind of come back we haven't seen in modern american politics. >> great to see you. thanks so much. quick programming note. tune into msnbc for all day coverage of the debate live from unlv at 9:00 eastern. i will see you from there tomorrow at 3:00 p.m. eastern. [burke] hot dog. seen it. covered it. we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪

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final faceoff between hillary clinton and donald trump. up next, steve kornacki. steve, i will head to the airport. see you there. >> see you in vegas. try to keep losses to a minimum at the craps table. good afternoon, i am steve kornacki live in new york. we are 21 days away now, three weeks and counting until election day. also we are now one day until the final presidential debate. first on our agenda today, donald trump's last ditch effort to try to close that double digit hillary clinton lead. >> this is our final shot, folks. in four years it's over. never going to be able to win. it is tilting, going to be a one party system. this is your final shot for the supreme court, for your second amendment. i mean, this is your final shot. >> minutes ago in that speech donald trump unveiling a new plan that he says will overhaul wa